How to rebuild a list

[Francois Jackson]

with all due respect thats crap.

I presume you are talking about the last sentence?  The rest of the post was actually all just statistical fact.

do you think that its a given once all those players reach their 4th year development they will turn out to be guns and win us a flag.

No, I don't believe that nor did I say that or even allude to that anywhere in my post, and again, the only part of my post that was opinion was the last sentence.

its how recruiting thats the problem. these skinny rubbish players are a waste of effin time and will get you nowhere.

Your opinion but I disagree that we have recruited skinny rubbish players.  I believe we have recruited kids who will grow and develop into stronger and more capable footballers but I also believe that we will not be right 100% of the time - just like Hawthorn and Geelong.

its funny that i read you mention cats/hawks didnt recruit any of their starting 22

Where did I say anything like that?  I suggest you take a course in grade 3 English and learn to read and comprehend.

Lids aside weather you like to admit it or not the 2003 draft was a FAILURE. One big effin FAILURE.
5 effin picks inside the top 20 and we got one right. Thats the bottom line. What the eff were these guys thinking with Polo, Pattison and Tambling.

Deledio, Tambling, Polo and Meyer - 4 potential midfielders out of the 5 picks - won't get them all right but 2 are, 1 is borderline and 1 is an unknown.  Thats the best you could hope for unless you are an unrealistic proponent of the knee-jerk reaction.

Premierships are won at the draft table not when players reach their 70-100 games.

What a weird comment.

What makes you think when Tambling, Meyer, etc reach 100 games they will get this team into finals for a premiership chance.

i dont need to earn credibility from the likes of you pal. It means SFA to me personally.

Out of curosity out of the "2" players u mentioned as we got it RIGHT, we know one is Lids but who is the other?
If you say Tambling i think im going to spew up. He has done absolutely eff all since he arrived.
Lids arrived this year and left Tambling in his wake.
At best he might be half as good as Daniel Wells. I say half cause i dont even rate Daniel Wells.
Polo and Meyer are not even worth talking about.

we have got one right at this draft. Compare the hawks first 3 picks in the 2004 draft. Killed it.
Roughead, Buddy and Jordan Lewis. Throw in Simon Taylor and Thomas Murphy for good measure.

ooh but hang we did really well we got Dean Limback and Mark Graham.

Lets hear again how he didn't eff that draft up.

As i said it doesnt matter if a player reaches 75-100 games its the quality that matters. Look at j.selwood.

We need quality players and to be quite stuff i think we are well short still.
Questions marks still hang over wuite a few players and who the eff is our FF because Cleve has shown almost eff all really.

Jack not quick enough nor big enough so tell me who is our FF. We will probably recruit Brodie Holland as our F Forward next year.

Hang on i forgot about Farren Ray. He fits into what we draft

Skinny
Consistently inconsistent
Rubbish

[Infamy]

We also got Jackson & Raines out of 2003
Plus Nathan Foley out of the rookie draft
Possibly Kel Moore too, but that may have been 2002

Raines is for the tip.
Jackosn has proved SFA

Nathan not even in that draft.

try again

If you are going to correct me, try getting it right
Nathan Foley was taken with Pick 4 in the 2003 rookie draft, Aaron Davey was taken right before him in the same draft

As for your opinion of Raines & Jackson it has nothing to do with it, if you are going to list who we got in that draft include everyone, not part of it

[Francois Jackson]

We also got Jackson & Raines out of 2003
Plus Nathan Foley out of the rookie draft
Possibly Kel Moore too, but that may have been 2002

Raines is for the tip.
Jackosn has proved SFA

Nathan not even in that draft.

try again

If you are going to correct me, try getting it right
Nathan Foley was taken with Pick 4 in the 2003 rookie draft, Aaron Davey was taken right before him in the same draft

As for your opinion of Raines & Jackson it has nothing to do with it, if you are going to list who we got in that draft include everyone, not part of it

read again and this time slowly.

Nathan was not in that draft. Which part of that was not right? He was in the Rookie draft not the National Draft.

I knew exactly what i was saying.

As for Raines and Jackson i didnt mention them cause i already felt sick in the guts when i mentioned the other names.

Funny how you never mentioned the Hawks 2004 draft in your little defence.

They smashed that draft and with similar picks we did SFA and that my friend is all she wrote

[tigersalive]

We also got Jackson & Raines out of 2003
Plus Nathan Foley out of the rookie draft
Possibly Kel Moore too, but that may have been 2002

Raines is for the tip.
Jackosn has proved SFA

Nathan not even in that draft.

try again

Untrue.  Nathan nominated for that draft but every club overlooked him and so we picked him in the following rookie draft.


However your post was about early picks (or it was initially) and once again, Alex Gilmour was a horror show pick in 2003 no doubt about it.  

[Infamy]

Gilmour had off field issues that stopped him from ever playing
Probably half the reason we now put such a high priority on attitude

As for Foley not being in the 2003 draft, you need to look at our 2003 drafting as a whole to see new faces who arrive in that year. Otherwise you're just cherry picking facts to suit your argument. It's like saying we only drafted 3 players in 2005 and 2007 when we actually got 4 once you include Matt White & Dave Gourdis.

[mightytiges]

Gilmour was bottom age and raw. He was speculative pick at pick 21 even at the time. Add taking Roach as F/S moreso for political reasons (feelgood story) meant we wasted our 2nd and 3rd round picks. 2003 was a shocker of a draft though so not many clubs did well out of it. Positives for us in hindsight were we got Tuck very late and had Moore and Foley as rookies at a time when we could only afford to have two rookies. Jackson and Raines are still around but yet to cement themselves in our best 22.

[Ekto]

Understanding how footy is developing and picking guys with PACE, and more PACE is the way to go.

Three Grand Final Sprint victories in four years shows where Terry Wallace thinks we should be.

And we are almost there.

Whitey's victory on Saturday shows the true spirit of the Tiger. Coming from behind, needing to feed and not wanting to lose is the way ahead for the Tigers.

Pace in the middle, tenacity down back, skill up forward.

Sounds like a winning formula to me.

[Judge Roughneck]

yes which is why mistakes like recruting Mcmahon should not have happened.

Dew and Ottens have prem. medals my son.

Strange world innit?

Why have we got a team full of tooth picks. Cant wait for Rance to play. He is a big bodied unit, exactly what we need.

have ya cake and eat it aye

[Francois Jackson]

yes which is why mistakes like recruting Mcmahon should not have happened.

Dew and Ottens have prem. medals my son.

Strange world innit?

Why have we got a team full of tooth picks. Cant wait for Rance to play. He is a big bodied unit, exactly what we need.

have ya cake and eat it aye

ill allow you to take that comment back because i respect some things you have said on this forum.

Seriously putting in chicken legs Mcmahon in the same category as Otto and Dew is a shocking statement.

The hawks and cats list was full of class and at its peak when they picked those 2 up. They had no more holes to fill, unlike us. We need every pick we can get and that was a WRONG decision.

[mightytiges]

Understanding how footy is developing and picking guys with PACE, and more PACE is the way to go.

Three Grand Final Sprint victories in four years shows where Terry Wallace thinks we should be.

And we are almost there.

Whitey's victory on Saturday shows the true spirit of the Tiger. Coming from behind, needing to feed and not wanting to lose is the way ahead for the Tigers.

Pace in the middle, tenacity down back, skill up forward.

Sounds like a winning formula to me.

You need pace and size as well as natural footy smarts/skills IMO. Pace is needed both offensively (quicker movement of the footy and breaking lines and zones) and defensively (putting pressure on the opposition with zoning and run down tackles). Size to win the footy at stoppages and in contests especially in finals when there's more pressure, less time and more contests. Being a mostly young side we've been exposed against the more mature sides who have that size.

[Francois Jackson]

Understanding how footy is developing and picking guys with PACE, and more PACE is the way to go.

Three Grand Final Sprint victories in four years shows where Terry Wallace thinks we should be.

And we are almost there.

Whitey's victory on Saturday shows the true spirit of the Tiger. Coming from behind, needing to feed and not wanting to lose is the way ahead for the Tigers.

Pace in the middle, tenacity down back, skill up forward.

Sounds like a winning formula to me.

You need pace and size as well as natural footy smarts/skills IMO. Pace is needed both offensively (quicker movement of the footy and breaking lines and zones) and defensively (putting pressure on the opposition with zoning and run down tackles). Size to win the footy at stoppages and in contests especially in finals when there's more pressure, less time and more contests. Being a mostly young side we've been exposed against the more mature sides who have that size.

How long do we continue to get exposed the way we do? Worst tackling side in the league in 2008. FACT!!

All the crap TW spun about tackling well it got our side absolutely no where.

Thank god for Tucky and Lids in the middle. Both gems this year but he didn't have too many mates.
Foley, Sugar did SFA IMO this year.

We are too skinny as a whole and lack size in almost every position on the field.

[mightytiges]

Understanding how footy is developing and picking guys with PACE, and more PACE is the way to go.

Three Grand Final Sprint victories in four years shows where Terry Wallace thinks we should be.

And we are almost there.

Whitey's victory on Saturday shows the true spirit of the Tiger. Coming from behind, needing to feed and not wanting to lose is the way ahead for the Tigers.

Pace in the middle, tenacity down back, skill up forward.

Sounds like a winning formula to me.

You need pace and size as well as natural footy smarts/skills IMO. Pace is needed both offensively (quicker movement of the footy and breaking lines and zones) and defensively (putting pressure on the opposition with zoning and run down tackles). Size to win the footy at stoppages and in contests especially in finals when there's more pressure, less time and more contests. Being a mostly young side we've been exposed against the more mature sides who have that size.

How long do we continue to get exposed the way we do? Worst tackling side in the league in 2008. FACT!!

All the crap TW spun about tackling well it got our side absolutely no where.

Thank god for Tucky and Lids in the middle. Both gems this year but he didn't have too many mates.
Foley, Sugar did SFA IMO this year.

We are too skinny as a whole and lack size in almost every position on the field.

We said that last line to Miller at training one day earlier in the year. Told him we needed more size and talls on our list. His response was "what about the bulldogs?" to which we replied "they haven't won a flag!".

Foley was on fire up to the state game which is why he was selected. It was rumoured he had mild OP during the second half of the year.

Tackling should improve as the side matures. Even Plough this year acknowledged defensive pressure was important and signalled so by dropping Petts and Joel and warning others like Browny.

[Judge Roughneck]

yes which is why mistakes like recruting Mcmahon should not have happened.

Dew and Ottens have prem. medals my son.

Strange world innit?

Why have we got a team full of tooth picks. Cant wait for Rance to play. He is a big bodied unit, exactly what we need.

have ya cake and eat it aye

ill allow you to take that comment back because i respect some things you have said on this forum.

Seriously putting in chicken legs Mcmahon in the same category as Otto and Dew is a shocking statement.

The hawks and cats list was full of class and at its peak when they picked those 2 up. They had no more holes to fill, unlike us. We need every pick we can get and that was a WRONG decision.

If the Cats list was class and peaking in 2004, why did they give us two first rounders for him o-great-one?

[Francois Jackson]

yes which is why mistakes like recruting Mcmahon should not have happened.

Dew and Ottens have prem. medals my son.

Strange world innit?

Why have we got a team full of tooth picks. Cant wait for Rance to play. He is a big bodied unit, exactly what we need.

have ya cake and eat it aye

ill allow you to take that comment back because i respect some things you have said on this forum.

Seriously putting in chicken legs Mcmahon in the same category as Otto and Dew is a shocking statement.

The hawks and cats list was full of class and at its peak when they picked those 2 up. They had no more holes to fill, unlike us. We need every pick we can get and that was a WRONG decision.

If the Cats list was class and peaking in 2004, why did they give us two first rounders for him o-great-one?

The cats list was at its peak by 2004 cant you see that.
Otto was the last piece of the Jig saw puzzle as was Dew.

Jordy was not necessary for our team. In a period where all our picks are vital, like this year, we should never have offloaded anything for anyone.

I wonder if the Hawks did the same??? No they didnt in fact they offloaded players whilst we keep them till they
are worthless.

Hyde and Petts were worth something years ago but because no one at Punt Road has balls to delist list cloggers they are worth nothing. The same thing will happen with Schulz, Meyer and JON.

We were offered a 2nd rounder last year, god knows why we didn't take it. We will get offered that this time so for the love of god make the fcukin trade leather face.

I cant believe you people are happy with the trade we used to get him.

[Judge Roughneck]

yes which is why mistakes like recruting Mcmahon should not have happened.

Dew and Ottens have prem. medals my son.

Strange world innit?

Why have we got a team full of tooth picks. Cant wait for Rance to play. He is a big bodied unit, exactly what we need.

have ya cake and eat it aye

ill allow you to take that comment back because i respect some things you have said on this forum.

Seriously putting in chicken legs Mcmahon in the same category as Otto and Dew is a shocking statement.

The hawks and cats list was full of class and at its peak when they picked those 2 up. They had no more holes to fill, unlike us. We need every pick we can get and that was a WRONG decision.

If the Cats list was class and peaking in 2004, why did they give us two first rounders for him o-great-one?

The cats list was at its peak by 2004 cant you see that.
Otto was the last piece of the Jig saw puzzle as was Dew.

Jordy was not necessary for our team. In a period where all our picks are vital, like this year, we should never have offloaded anything for anyone.

I wonder if the Hawks did the same??? No they didnt in fact they offloaded players whilst we keep them till they
are worthless.

Hyde and Petts were worth something years ago but because no one at Punt Road has balls to delist list cloggers they are worth nothing. The same thing will happen with Schulz, Meyer and JON.

We were offered a 2nd rounder last year, god knows why we didn't take it. We will get offered that this time so for the love of god make the effin trade leather face.

I cant believe you people are happy with the trade we used to get him.

Where have I said I am happy with the McMahon trade? I was/am very peeed off with the club. I wanted to use the pick on another KP or ruck prospect, and develop a kid off the HBF. However we have poo small defenders, the year before we got jordy our kicking was an abortion and we came last. I try and forgive them somewhat because the pick was a 'bonus', If we had kicked two more goals on the saints, or not played raines on reiwoldt we wouldnt have had it. More so I was very happy with Morton deal.

I am not happy we got JON at pick 8. I can't beleive Hurn was still there and we didn't take him. That said JON is only a kid. Look at his date of birth. He was always rated as a project type but one that could have upside. Meyer was very highly rated and I would pray he kicks on next season. If they are 23 yoa and have done nothing then delist them, fine accept we stuffed up. But given they were only drated in 04/05 give them another pre-season (two for JON). Casserly and Collins I'd have in the same boat. More so when we still have hyde, tivvers, howatt, polak etc. that need to be delisted first.

With Polak getting hit by large machines we need Schultz as deapth at least. 23yoa

Petts is 26ish. Tivvers getting close 30. Hyde 25ish.
JON and Meyer are much younger. You don't delist 1st rounders untill you have to.

If Geelong were such a brillant side in 05 I thought they would have finshed top 4?

Geelong and Hawks had some gaps on list so they targeted that. Sadly we have massive caps of our list - bugger all midage players.