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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #915 on: June 24, 2013, 05:59:36 PM »
Cox was like a unco giraffe @ Tyrone age
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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #916 on: June 24, 2013, 07:13:24 PM »
Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age.  Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior.  The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.

After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes.  Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes.  And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #917 on: June 24, 2013, 07:27:38 PM »
Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age.  Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior.  The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.

After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes.  Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes.  And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.

Did Cox play as a forward 75% of the time?

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #918 on: June 24, 2013, 07:30:22 PM »
Not according to them goal comparison  :shh

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #919 on: June 24, 2013, 08:58:27 PM »
Not according to them goal comparison  :shh

No use comparing Cox and Vickery's disposals, hit outs, marks and tackles when one played through the middle of the ground for the majority of their early career while the other played predominately as a forward. Cox was the better player imho but stats are easy to manipulate especially when we're not comparing apples with apples.

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #920 on: June 24, 2013, 09:40:15 PM »
Every week I see him drop sitters.  He either drifts off mid mark thinking about shagging some bird and drops it or he has a bad case of muppet hands, as in they are made of cloth and stuffing and cant grip anything.
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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #921 on: June 24, 2013, 10:16:44 PM »
Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age.  Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior.  The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.

After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes.  Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes.  And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.

Did Cox play as a forward 75% of the time?

Probably did for much of his first 3 years - Gardiner was their #1 ruckman at the time but he got injured early in Cox's 4th year.

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #922 on: June 24, 2013, 10:18:49 PM »
Cox was better stats-wise at Vickery's age.  Both played their first game at 19 but in their stats in almost every category Cox is superior.  The only really important area Vickery leads is goals scored - 51 to 24.

After 4 seasons Cox had played 78 games for 851 disposals (10.91), 311 marks (3.99), 1335 hitouts (17.12), 84 tackles (1.08) and 7 Brownlow votes.  Vickery had played 54 games for 516 disposals (9.56), 163 marks (3.01), 416 hitouts (7.70), 107 tackles (1.98) and 2 Brownlow votes.  And in Cox's 5th season he had a breakout year, increasing his stats significantly across the board including 6 more Brownlow votes while Vickery so far this year is on track for a slight decrease on his best season so far - 2011.

Did Cox play as a forward 75% of the time?

Probably did for much of his first 3 years - Gardiner was their #1 ruckman at the time but he got injured early in Cox's 4th year.
24 goals suggests he was a waste of space.  :shh

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #923 on: June 24, 2013, 11:51:04 PM »
Reckon at times he looks uncoordinated.

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #924 on: June 24, 2013, 11:56:57 PM »
Gets held and chopped so often it's not funny

Umps need to be made aware

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #925 on: June 25, 2013, 01:52:12 PM »
Michael Gardiner no one remembers he obviously yeash

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #926 on: June 25, 2013, 02:37:18 PM »
One problem is who can take the FWD/Ruck position for him. Some will say McBean but has he even rucked at Coburg? Stephenson could perhaps but I wouldn't play an old bloke in front of a developing tall.
have long argued if vickery is the second ruck/for and thats a big if  play a genuine ff jack and a genuine chf  ffs.   develop elton griffiths astbury in the role. plonk vickery in a forward pocket.

i have a word for vickery its called soft he is not good enough consistently in the air he is not combative and he avoids contact.
its funny he will take the odd contested mark he will crash the odd pack but always on his terms . it seems the odd mark and act of aggression is enough to claim he can play. i have serious issues with vickery in the air both as a key forward and most certainly as a ruckman, nothing has changed for me with this bloke.
was really bemused by hardwick claiming he had a break out game i hope damien was only pumping up his tyres.

make no mistake we are stuffed if riewoldt ever cops a serious injury or maric goes down.
for me the way we structure up continues to be all wrong. despite winning games it has not held up against good sides and it will never hold up. the lack of real cover and juniors coming thru and developing  in critical kkey positions is  mindboggling.

the only areas we have decent depth and cover in is  hbf  and the midfield but even in the midfield it is not real deep.

our best 22 is competetive with most but even in the best 22 there are half a dozen we should be aiming better .

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #927 on: June 25, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »
No one can doubt Vickery's courage. Running into a pack to take a mark shows real guts. He is very good on his feet when the ball hits the deck eg the goal set up by him in the first quarter against the dogs. He has a good turn of speed. An unlucky bounce prevented him from kicking three goals on the weekend. He leads well and is usually a good kick at goal except for this year. His consistency is his main issue. He needs to work on his concentration. Given he is young and hopefully over his past injuries I believe he will become more consistent over time.

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #928 on: June 25, 2013, 03:26:19 PM »
Doesn't impose himself like a big man should. Wouldn't call him soft but he lacks intensity. Claw is right when he says Vickery splits a pack on his terms.

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Re: Tyrone Vickery [merged]
« Reply #929 on: June 25, 2013, 03:55:23 PM »
Doesn't impose himself like a big man should. Wouldn't call him soft but he lacks intensity.

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