Polak a rookie & Cousins PSD pick 7 - AFL rejects Tiger request [merged]

[one-eyed]

Eade seems to be against it. He says Polak's situation isn't like Rama's.

http://afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=70825

[mightytiges]

Ratten was looking forward to Cousins vs Judd on the news tonight.

Supportive:  Ess, Haw, Melb, Adel, Port, Carl, St K
Against: Coll, Freo, WB
Don't know: Bris, Geel, North, Syd, WCE


So of those against, Collingwood is just envious sooks and Freo are just self-interested wanting us to use pick 6 on Cousins so they can grab Gourdis in the rookie draft  .

[WilliamPowell]

I thought President March spoke well.. like MT I think he threw the ball firmly back at the AFL and for now that's where it should be. Also he didn't actually commit the RFC to taking Benny which means we don't have to make a final decision one way or another until Monday.

Until then "Benny Gate" continues and it's all good publicity for our Club and I stress GOOD publicity for us and doesn't that make a pleasant change

 

[Infamy]

I know Eade has come out against it, but that doesn't mean the WB as a whole are against it

[bushranger]

Is that cause he too has a team that really wants him so he is kicking up a stink.
As it does sould like no matter what we can get him with or without the use of Polak.
Other teams are now running scared as they know or players are of age now and we will be a force no matter who we have.
And I wold love to get him just so the Pies have pie in their eyes.

[Smokey]

One major flaw in Eade's argument:

"I think Adelaide made the point [Trent] Hentschel. It certainly wasn’t his fault he snapped his leg and wasn’t going to play for 18 months [but] they didn’t get any compensation for it,” Eade said."

Neither did we for Brown or Newman, neither did St Kilda for McGuire, neither did every other club with player knee reco's.  A football related injury with a return to active duty date that can be fairly confidently predicted by medical professionals does not count - cancer and severe brain trauma do.

[mightytiges]

I know Eade has come out against it, but that doesn't mean the WB as a whole are against it

That's true infamy but I'd doubt a coach would publicly contradict his club board's position. According to the media there are 3 clubs against our application. Apart from Eddie, Freo and now Eade today no one else has come out against us.

[mightytiges]

I just dont like March saying that we wont pick up Cousins at 6, same goes for Cameron saying it.

It wouldnt be a decision that has been made yet, it may be an ideal setup for the club but if the AFL happened to reject the application for Polak then there would be a in depth discussion as to who we draft in PSD.

Given there are 5 clubs with picks before us, not making any promises before Tuesday is probably the smart way to go.

[one-eyed]

Tigers warned to do their homework on Cousins
abc.net.au
Dec 13, 2008

Former St Kilda coach Stan Alves told Grandstand Richmond needs to consider why other clubs dropped out of the race to recruit Ben Cousins before they decide whether to draft the former Brownlow medallist.

The Tigers are looking to select Cousins in Tuesday's preseason draft, but such a move is dependent on the AFL granting the club permission to place injured defender Graham Polak on the rookie list.

Collingwood, the Saints and Brisbane had initially expressed interest in picking up Cousins in last month's national draft before all three clubs abandoned their planning.

You can listen to Alves's full interview with Grandstand's Quentin Hull below:

Alves, a Grandstand commentator and North Melbourne premiership player, says the Tigers must ask themselves why the Magpies and Saints in particular decided not to draft Cousins.

"Why did Collingwood spend six months and appear to have embraced him and then all of a sudden jump off?" he said.

"Why did St Kilda spend five months and go through all this process, even to wine and dine him with their players...what is it that we don't know, what don't we find out?

"I think that's the area right now that the Tigers would be going through."

Alves says he thinks Cousins will still be able to physically cope with playing at the senior level should he be drafted by the Tigers.

http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/12/tigers-warned-t.html?site=afl

[Francois Jackson]

One major flaw in Eade's argument:

"I think Adelaide made the point [Trent] Hentschel. It certainly wasn’t his fault he snapped his leg and wasn’t going to play for 18 months [but] they didn’t get any compensation for it,” Eade said."

Neither did we for Brown or Newman, neither did St Kilda for McGuire, neither did every other club with player knee reco's.  A football related injury with a return to active duty date that can be fairly confidently predicted by medical professionals does not count - cancer and severe brain trauma do.

if i hear this argument again i think im gonna puke.

A mate who follows the Pies used the same examples and i nearly choked on my food. Are these idiots for real. We copped our fair share of bad luck injuries but have never asked for this. Now i wonder why??

Eade is another Eddie, both fuckheads. Non Football related injuries tossers, its not that hard to undserstand

[Moi]

If the AFL says he's a fit and able player, why should RIchmond do its homework.
THe onus, surely, should be on the AFL, not us to make sure he's okay

[mightytiges]

Wasn't it their sponsors that said no?! Poor Dal Santo must have been told Cousins was going to Moorabbin to speak publicly about it before he was made a fool of on tv that very night when the Saints Board said no.

In any case what other clubs say or said is irrelevant. We need to make the decision ourselves and be satisfied we've done the "due diligence" either way we go with Cousins.

[one-eyed]

Recovering Polak backs Richmond's rookie list bid
Emma Quayle and Brent Diamond | December 14, 2008

RICHMOND defender Graham Polak is supportive of the club's attempt to move him to its rookie list, believing it would relieve him of the burden of occupying a spot on the club's list not knowing when he will play again.

Polak recently resumed light training, but is still a long way from contemplating a return at any level, and the 24-year-old, and those close to him, believe the proposed move — independent of Richmond's efforts to resurrect Ben Cousins' career — would be good for him.

The AFL Commission is to decide tomorrow whether to allow Polak to be placed on the rookie list rather than the long-term injury list, which would enable Polak to play some football should he be up to it early next season and give Richmond a second pick in Tuesday's pre-season draft. Polak would not be able to play at any level if he were placed on the injury list.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/news/polak-backs-cousins-bid/2008/12/13/1228585185325.html

[bushranger]

If we are the team with him in our squad I would say that we know what  has to be done.
And all the teams are scared just how well he will play, as he will know that these are the teams that have said no to him.
So they will be wondering just how well he will ply against them.
I'm one that doesn't want him but if we get him I wll support him.
And I to think that the AFL will have a bigger part in Richmond, that any other team ,as we have got him, so it will fall on their feet to make sure he is towing the line and we will have a secondary role to play.

[yellowandback]

If the AFL says he's a fit and able player, why should RIchmond do its homework.
THe onus, surely, should be on the AFL, not us to make sure he's okay

While I agree with the sentiment, surely the onus is on Ben Cousins to make sure he is okay.  He is 30, it is up to him now.
AFL can do all the checks and balances but the one thing I've discovered through this mess it that clearly there are some sure fire ways to mask the presence of illicit drugs in someone's system.