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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2008, 06:30:56 PM »
The way I see it Why not?
Bona Fide champion midfielder. Won't cost much and has the burning ambition to succeed after what he has done. People who get on their high horse and say this and say that about him fair enough but all people deserve a second chance and if its with us so be it. It's a punt either way. If he goes to some other team and blitzes and we are 4-10 with Wallace going out the door I am sure some posters here will be making an about face, and don't tell me those who don't want him at the club now won't be cheering if we win in any games he plays in. Bring it on.
Pee of Eddie Pee of the Pies. :clapping :lol
And no excuses for the club if we fail on field next year its as simple as that.
Massive repercussions for the board and the coaches but so be it. If stability and success come from a "controversial" selection such as this then great. Just lets not compare it to a Stuart Dew selection as Ben is a champion Stewart Dew was a player who was at the right place at the right time.
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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2008, 06:46:25 PM »
This is fantastic news IMO.

He should be made to prove that his rehab is complete - I don't mind if he doesn't line up week 1 and if he spends up to 6 weeks with Coburg. But at the end of the day if he works hard he deserves another chance.

TBH I think it is better for Polak to be out of the spotlight in 2009 as well.

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Eddie is the biggest manipulator of the truth.

I can remember on TFS a week or so after Schulz blew a bag he was on is high horse saying drink drivers don't belong in society and such as they are a danger to it merely because I think Ray Shaw's daughter was tragically injured by a drunk driver.

Yet we know about Didak and Shaw

What about retiring the number 42 permanently at the Lexus Centre.  Darren Millane
127 games nothing earth shattering there
Oh yes and he died running into the back of a truck 6 times over the legal limit.

Double standards.

If its not in Collingwood's interests then it shouldn't be in anybodies interests.

Oh yes who of any note have they recruited recently that they have chased.
Cousins :whistle
Judd :lol
Jonathon Brown  :lol

If Ben plays when we play those Skunks I hope he is BOG that night in a victory to the Tiges. :bow

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2008, 07:06:30 PM »
I understand what everyone is saying but hasn't he had his second chance.
When he done a total body hair removal knowing that he was going to be tested that day, and he done that wasn't that a chance.
I don't know if he done it to be a smart arse or if he doone it to hide something. Only he would know that.
But if he come to us then let it be, I'm not going to be one that backs him. He has a hell of a lot of work to prove that he is being honest.
And I hope that if he fails once he is given a fulltime ban. And I that I'm not hoping for him to fail. I mean if he fails a test.
Then it would have to be come down on him hard.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2008, 07:14:44 PM »
I agree if he fails a drug test then come down hard on him
however he has not failed a drug test as we know it.
By the way it would not be his second chance this is his third so too right to give him the boot and boot him hard.

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Chance 2 Sep 2007
Chance 3 would be this opportunity

I hope he succeeds whether he ultimately ends up with us or not.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2008, 07:19:04 PM »
I stand corrected. And thanks for letting me know about that to, as I didn't know.

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #96 on: December 11, 2008, 08:11:58 PM »
“There has been a hell of a lot of work going on behind the scenes, mentoring and that sort of stuff,” McHenry said.

“And I think what Ben has done in the past few weeks is get off his behind and instead of saying why didn’t you call, he is doing the calling.

“He is presenting himself, he has had meetings with a number of people.

“He has talked about the future, he has talked about the past very briefly to talk about the hurt that it has caused, not only to himself but his family, his football club, his supporters, everybody.

“He has probably for the first time shown a strong level of remorse. He has done that on his own and he has done it to a number of the major stakeholders.”

McHenry said Cousins’ bid included attempts for meetings with AFL bosses Andrew Demetriou and Mike Fitzpatrick to plead his case.

“He has tried to meet with Andrew and Mike in Melbourne and that is yet to happen, but he has called them personally and left messages on their phones and asked for an audience,” McHenry said.

“He has finally done that. It has been good for him and the people he has done it to have said ‘hang on a minute, maybe he has learnt some lessons. Maybe he is going to do the right thing’.”


The above quote is a profound change from where the clubs and the AFL were at with Ben Cousins as recently as 3 weeks ago.   The arrogant attitude of Cousins is what put him in a situation where other clubs felt the guy was too much of a loose cannon.  It may not seem like much but it is what was getting in the way with the other clubs picking him up.

Had the above happened back in October, I have no doubt he would already be at another club. Everyone else's loss is hopefully our gain.
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"I discussed (it) with my three daughters, my wife and my 82-year-old mum, because it has really affected me … If those comments … were made about one of my daughters, it would make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I would not have liked it at all.”

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #97 on: December 11, 2008, 08:25:31 PM »
I agree if he fails a drug test then come down hard on him
however he has not failed a drug test as we know it.
By the way it would not be his second chance this is his third so too right to give him the boot and boot him hard.

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Chance 3 would be this opportunity

I hope he succeeds whether he ultimately ends up with us or not.
One thing for certain is this is his last chance.

Agree come down hard and he's out the door if he fails a drug test.
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Add Fraser Gehrig, Nick Stevens and our own Nathan Brown that the Pies missed out on. Collingwood wants everything on their terms so they miss out every time.

Even the soft draws they get eventually bites them on the backside. They finish higher up the ladder than they should and get poorer draft picks in return. One flag in 50 years and counting.
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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #99 on: December 11, 2008, 10:20:25 PM »
Not sure if this article has been posted yet - my apologies if it has.  It's interesting as it looks at the 'Cousins to Richmond Saga' from a different perspective.

Tigers should be wary
11/12/2008 1:37 PM
Paul Gough
Sportal

Surely Richmond and in particular coach Terry Wallace will be under enough pressure next season without adding to it by allowing the Ben Cousins' circus to engulf Punt Road.

This is not about whether the 2005 Brownlow Medalist deserves a second chance at resurrecting an AFL career he threw away by becoming addicted to drugs but whether Cousins joining the Tigers is a good move for the club.

The 30-year-old's career appeared to be over after he was overlooked by every club - including Richmond - in last month's national draft, particularly when only six clubs then kept a selection up their sleeve to use in next week's pre-season draft.

But the news the Tigers are trying to gain an additional pre-season draft pick - reportedly to use on Cousins - by placing key defender Graham Polak on the rookie list has revived the on-going Cousins' saga.

Of course the Tigers still need permission from the AFL to do that because Polak, who is still recovering from the injuries sustained when hit by a tram in late June, is over the maximum age (23) for a rookie, but even by just making the application to the AFL the Tigers have revived the Cousins saga in spectacular fashion just as it was finally dying down.

Already the news has divided Richmond's vast and passionate army of fans as well as callers on Melbourne talkback radio.

But this will be nothing to the scrutiny Richmond, and Wallace in particular, will come under next year if the club secures Cousins in next week's pre-season draft.

Put simply Cousins' every move will be under the kind of media scrutiny hardly helpful to a club in Richmond's position.

Few clubs are under as much pressure as Richmond year in, year out because of the club's chronic lack of success and their huge, demanding supporter base that grows more impatient by the year.

And don't forget Wallace is coaching for his survival in 2009 when he will be on the last year of his initial five year contract - a tenure which has yet to deliver a finals appearance for a club that has made just two September appearances since 1982.

Perhaps Wallace is hoping a fit, healthy and rehabilitated Cousins - whose football ability and commitment to training has never been doubted - will ensure the club finally makes the finals next year, which in turn would ensure a new deal for the under-pressure Richmond coach.

But what if it backfires?

The Tigers are coming off their most promising season in years - rising from 16th to ninth last year - on the back of an exciting young list led by midfielders Brett Deledio, Matt White and Nathan Foley, forwards Cleve Hughes and Mitch Morton and defenders Will Thursfield, Kelvin Moore and Luke McGuane.

Richmond fans and indeed a ravenous media that is always on the lookout for an implosion at Punt Road will be far more accepting of a decline next year in a year in which so much is expected of the club it if occurs on the back of youth
taking a backwards step than on the back of the Cousins' sideshow derailing the club's progress.

Cousins is not just a risk because of his controversial past and the baggage that comes with it but also because of his age (how many AFL midfielders continue to blossom past 30) and his recent injury history remembering that he
suffered a serious hamstring injury in his last game for West Coast in the 2007 qualifying final.

And if Richmond was so keen on Cousins, why would it not take him with its initial pick in the pre-season draft rather than trying to secure a second pick (by placing Polak on the rookie list) to then use on Cousins.

Is it because that is the only palatable way it could sell the move to its members and sponsors - by picking up an experienced player (Cousins) on a one-year contract to replace another experienced player (Polak) who can't play next year because of exceptional circumstances.

That is not to say the Tigers don't have a compelling case to place Polak on the rookie list given the seriousness of his tram accident last year and give themselves the chance to recruit another player onto the senior list.

But having failed so often in the past by attempting to top up their list with recycled players instead of sticking with youth (remember the disaster of the 2001 national draft when the club wasted vital picks in the strongest ever draft on the likes of Paul Hudson, Greg Stafford and Adam Houlihan) - the Tigers should learn their lesson and ignore Cousins and maintain a youth-led revival.

And just as importantly the club would be able to go on preparing for its most important season in years without the added pressure of the media circus that follows Cousins, watching his and the Tigers' every move.

http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tigers-should-be-wary-61884

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2008, 11:21:18 PM »
It still find this funny.... seriously

The media staking out Punt Road.

Channel 10 said tezza wasn't there today, channel 7 showed Tezza driving out of Punt road.

Poor Tommy Hislop (who's only been in the place 5 minutes) being asked what he knew about Benny.

Shame on them BTW for thrusting cameras and shi_t in Polak's face - that wasn't funny

Benny being supposedly sighted everywhere in Melbourne (memo news service saying he's just touched down at Melbourne Airport and showing old film of when he had hair doesn't cut it  :rollin)

The circus is certainly in town :lol :rollin
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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2008, 12:10:31 AM »
can somebody please tell me, if a "RICHMOND OFFICAL" said we will draft Cousins!!!

because i can not find proof!!!

please ... what is going on???

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2008, 12:52:53 AM »
Spoof article on the Age or has their website been hacked???

 ;D

Turn it up, Cousins at Tigerland? Won't happen
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December 12, 2008


BEN Cousins has decided to turn his back on the Richmond Football Club, confessing that he would prefer to never play AFL again than set foot in Tigerland.

In a revealing, tell-all interview with Mongrel Punter, Cousins admitted he had achieved plenty in football and was not "desperate enough" to continue his career at Punt Road.

"I would even be happy to put on a Freo jumper. Well, happy is a bit strong, but I would play for the Dockers," he said. "But I have standards. I'm not going to bust a gut for Richmond, finish ninth and have the Tiger faithful turn on me halfway through the season when I do a hammy.

"I'm terrified that someone might turn up to my house with a truckload of chicken manure. I just don't think I'm mentally strong enough to deal with that kind of rejection, plus I've heard chicken manure has a bit of a kick: if there is pile of it sitting on my lawn, I'm worried I might smoke it."

Cousins said he could not believe the "rotten hand" he had been dealt.

"I've made a few mistakes, but I don't deserve this just because I like partying all night and wild group sex and getting high. I mean, I used to like that stuff. I don't like it any more."

Cousins said by rejecting Richmond he was actually doing the club a favour.

"I played seven games in 2007, so the reality is I've barely played in two years. And I've hit the 'uncle Dougs' pretty hard. There is no way I'm going to come back and be the player I was.

"I'm also at the right age for soft-tissue injuries and who knows what bits of my brain I've fried? And you know I'm a bit arrogant, don't you? And I'm a bit of a silly dick, so if Richmond gets me they will be taking on an arrogant silly dick. And if I get injured, I will be an injured, arrogant silly dick, and if I have a relapse, they could finish up with an uncle Doug-addicted, injured, arrogant silly dick.

"Still, I can't understand why the other clubs aren't interested; you know I've won a Brownlow, don't you? And four best-and-fairests … and I'm hot … all the chicks dig big Ben."

Asked if he would advise punters on taking the $1.50 from Sportingbet that he will be a Tiger in 2009, or the $2.50 that he will not, Cousins said: "Mate, AFL players aren't allowed to bet on AFL stuff? It's against the rules.

"Why don't you take the 10 bucks on Ogilvy to win the Australian Open? He can come back from there. Now, excuse me, I'm off to have a drink with me mates Johnnie Daly, Anthony Mundine and Micky Gardiner. We're hitting the nudie bars tonight."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/12/11/1228585027695.html

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Re: Polak for Cousins? / Cousins to Richmond with PSD pick 7
« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2008, 01:20:09 AM »
I tell you what, that Paul Gough article tells me there are some people out there that seriously don't want us to pick up Cousins, and i don't mean our supporters either.

Since when has Paul Gough ever been concerned about richmonds well fair, it's bull$hit. he never has and he never will, he's a reporter for Geez's sake, he feeds off turmoil, tragedy, fear and upset. He is just scare mongering and not doing a very good job of it. Only a moron would not be able to see through what he is doing. stuff off Paul Gough.
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Clubs fear effects of Ben Cousins loophole (Australian)
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2008, 04:19:03 AM »
Clubs fear effects of Ben Cousins loophole
Courtney Walsh | December 12, 2008
The Australian

RIVAL clubs have raised fears about Richmond's perceived manipulation of the rules which could see Ben Cousins join the Tigers next week.

A day after Collingwood president Eddie McGuire queried the timing of Richmond's request to list Graham Polak as a rookie, a move that would allow the Tigers to claim Cousins in Tuesday's pre-season draft, two club chief executives have queried whether the request should be allowed under the rules.

Should the commission agree with the request on Monday, it will give Richmond an extra pick in the following day's pre-season draft, one almost certain to revive Cousins' controversial career.

The Tigers could select Cousins with their existing choice, but coach Terry Wallace made it clear last week that was reserved for another player.

Adelaide Crows chief executive Steven Trigg, while sympathetic with the plight of Polak, who is rehabilitating after being struck by a tram in June but is too old to be placed on the rookie list under current rules, is concerned about a possible precedent should the AFL commission make an exception for him on Monday.

Essendon was granted permission to downgrade recently retired Adam Ramanauskas's status at Essendon as he battled cancer, but West Coast was refused permission when it sought a similar solution for forward Brad Smith as he struggled with chronic knee conditions.

"It is just interesting," Trigg said.

"I think we need to be a bit careful that every time someone gets hurt there is not a concession to be made."

Trigg, while saying Adelaide was not in a position to object to the request because it was not privy to information likely to be available to the commission, used Trent Hentschel as an example of a player who could benefit if there were a change in procedure on Monday.

Hentschel severely injured a knee against Port Adelaide late in 2006 and missed all of the following season and most of this year.

"There are a lot of ways to get injured, and we feel for Graham, but Trent missed a season of footy and he was always going to miss a season of footy, so we have to be careful with this," Trigg said.

At Geelong, it is a similar story with All-Australian centre half-back Matthew Egan, who is facing an extended battle to return from a serious foot problem, according to chief executive Brian Cook.

"We didn't think that was within the spirit of the rule," Cook said of placing him on the rookie list.

"Rules are rules and we need to know whether this should be looked at as exceptional circumstances."

McGuire was the first to question the move, querying Richmond's decision to wait until after last month's national draft, where it could have selected Cousins with another pick.

"My only issue with this, and this is no drama with the sentiments of Graham Polak, is this should have all been done before the (national) draft," he told Melbourne radio.

It follows comments from Wallace last month that the Tigers would not seek special dispensation to list Polak as a rookie.

"We could have tried to get compensation from the AFL, but we thought from Graham's point of view that we wanted to keep the door open and the light shining there," Wallace said.

While Richmond refused to discuss either the request or the possibility of recruiting Cousins, a club source said the change in thought occurred after Polak told team-mates he believed he would struggle to return to senior football next year.

Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett joined Essendon chief executive Peter Jackson in supporting Richmond's request provided "the commission is satisfied by the medical status of Graham Polak".

"This particular case is not based on the Ramanauskas case, but it is an individual case and we would hope that football has the capacity to support the individual," Kennett said.

Should Richmond succeed, former club identities have given the Tigers the green light to draft Cousins despite several other clubs shunning him.

Greg Miller, who was sacked as Richmond's football manager mid-year, said he would complement the Tigers' talented but youthful midfield.

"I think that Terry Wallace is a very upfront and honest person and he'll be able to talk with him and work with him and senior players like Kane Johnson and Nathan Brown would assist him greatly," he told Radio SEN.

"He's got some stringent hurdles to jump over but I think it'll be a great story."

Former Richmond coach Danny Frawley agreed.

"Good luck to Richmond for at least having the courage to go through the process," he said.

AFL great Kevin Sheedy, believed to be a driving force behind the Tigers' decision, said: "I have always supported giving people a second chance."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24787422-2722,00.html