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Offline Lozza

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The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« on: March 27, 2009, 07:41:01 AM »
TACKLING - Is it me of do our guys seem to tackle with one arm, we consistently get brushed aside and when we do manage to hang on the opposition player 99/100 still manages to get their arms free to get a handball away. In the reverse situation we seem to try the "Tuck handball" method of throwing the ball back over our head, generally to an opposition player and if not then pinged by the umpire for throwing the ball anyway. Are not the fundamentals of tacking to bring the player you are tacking into a position of no return i.e. disable their ability to promote the ball which in turn may lead to a turnover or a free kick or at worst provide an opportunity to gain possession back for the team. We desperately need to address this issue, time after time Carlscum players broke lose from our poor attempts at tackles, we are just going to get pulverised every game if we dont improve this very lame aspect of our game.

TURNOVERS - Can the RFC ensure all players are tested for colour blindness. It seems they cannot differentiate between black and yellow and all other colours. What do these guys do at training, do they actually practice kicking to a target? Do we have kicking coaches who detect deficiencies and actually try to fix them? It doesnt seem that way, with the zonal possession game of today a team who cannot find a target across 20 metres is going to get slaughtered, as was the case last night. The thing that worries me is that these players are professionals, they live the game 24/7, if they cant get the fundamentals right then they are not suited to todays game, get rid of them and bring in players that can. Alternatively we need to intensively work to correct these deficiencies, the sad thing is that we seem to have a large section of the squad that has such deficiencies, how did we recruit such players in the first place? The other issue is that these skill errors spread like Cancer through the team, Lids who you would normally expect to hit a target could hit two from 20 metres, Browny missing the same targets in the middle of the ground. These players are supposedly our best but failed under pressure, why does this happen and what are we doing to ensure it doesnt happen regularly.

The simple fact is this, the game plan used by most of the top sides is well beyond our skill capability, that's why we will always be well behind the other clubs and finals football is such a struggle, unfortunately 9th position is a pretty good indicator of where we have been and where we are now skill wise, i dont see this improving in the short term.

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 07:59:17 AM »
Tackle with one arm?  More likely one finger.

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2009, 09:21:15 PM »
They are told at training by McRae to force their opponent to one side, watch and go for the hips and not get side-stepped. They also in the week leading into the first game worked on pressuring the second man if they first opponent gets the ball clear or it spills from the first tackle. They completely ignored coaching instructions based on Thursday night. No support whatsoever for teammates the whole night  ::).

There are actually two types of tackles in footy and you need to decide on the spot which one is best for the situation. The first one is the safer option which is to tackle and pin both arms which causes a ball-up. The second one is to pin the free arm (the one without the ball) and try to get a free kick from the opponent holding the ball/illegal disposal. The risk is the ball can spill from the tackle to another opponent and they keep possession. Of course the umps don't pay frees of any type to Richo 20m out from goal  :banghead.

As for disposal - the fault at training is they aren't picked up for mistakes enough. That is the coaches fault as well as players' own level of professionalism. Now the couple of training sessions leading into the game the skill level was decent to good (which made the total lack of skill we showed on Thursday night even more astonishing) but during the preseason sometimes there would be mistakes by hand and foot during a drill and the drill would continue on as nothing had happened. To me you would stop the drill every single time and tell the group that's not on and they'll do it again until they get it right.
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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2009, 10:44:38 AM »
As for disposal - the fault at training is they aren't picked up for mistakes enough. That is the coaches fault as well as players' own level of professionalism. Now the couple of training sessions leading into the game the skill level was decent to good (which made the total lack of skill we showed on Thursday night even more astonishing) but during the preseason sometimes there would be mistakes by hand and foot during a drill and the drill would continue on as nothing had happened. To me you would stop the drill every single time and tell the group that's not on and they'll do it again until they get it right.
Decent to good?  Not good enough.  Should be better than just good.  I agree with MT - drills should be done till they get it right - even if it takes all night.

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2009, 05:45:30 PM »
15 Carlton goals from our turnovers...there goes the game! We simply have to get better at hitting targets, particularly under pressure (and as was the case on Thursday, when not under pressure as well).

Turnovers were very costly last year and also in the NAB games this year...that and missed set shots at goal...deadly combination. We are not taking our chances (particularly early in games) when we get them and then we are gifting the oppostion.

Just think of the massive improvement on the scoreboard if these areas are turned around. Kick the 7 set shots (hello Jack) and only gift them 8 goals from turnovers....big difference.

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2009, 06:26:07 PM »
They are told at training by McRae to force their opponent to one side, watch and go for the hips and not get side-stepped. They also in the week leading into the first game worked on pressuring the second man if they first opponent gets the ball clear or it spills from the first tackle. They completely ignored coaching instructions based on Thursday night. No support whatsoever for teammates the whole night  ::).

There are actually two types of tackles in footy and you need to decide on the spot which one is best for the situation. The first one is the safer option which is to tackle and pin both arms which causes a ball-up. The second one is to pin the free arm (the one without the ball) and try to get a free kick from the opponent holding the ball/illegal disposal. The risk is the ball can spill from the tackle to another opponent and they keep possession. Of course the umps don't pay frees of any type to Richo 20m out from goal  :banghead.

As for disposal - the fault at training is they aren't picked up for mistakes enough. That is the coaches fault as well as players' own level of professionalism. Now the couple of training sessions leading into the game the skill level was decent to good (which made the total lack of skill we showed on Thursday night even more astonishing) but during the preseason sometimes there would be mistakes by hand and foot during a drill and the drill would continue on as nothing had happened. To me you would stop the drill every single time and tell the group that's not on and they'll do it again until they get it right.

Hawks repeat drills if their players miss targets our coaches do NOTHING.

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2009, 09:23:34 PM »
15 Carlton goals from our turnovers...there goes the game! We simply have to get better at hitting targets, particularly under pressure (and as was the case on Thursday, when not under pressure as well).

Turnovers were very costly last year and also in the NAB games this year...that and missed set shots at goal...deadly combination. We are not taking our chances (particularly early in games) when we get them and then we are gifting the oppostion.

Just think of the massive improvement on the scoreboard if these areas are turned around. Kick the 7 set shots (hello Jack) and only gift them 8 goals from turnovers....big difference.
Exactly bg25. Good to catch up with you again at the game btw  :).

If we do set shot goalkicking we must do it outside of normal training. Plenty of kicking/snapping goals on the run from 25-30m out but very little actual set shots and very few long goals. I heard a while back the fitness guys at clubs not just at the RFC don't like players doing too many set shots. For some reason they claim doing say 100 kicks in a row at goal is too much workload on top of normal training. I would've thought all the circle and tactical work you practice is a waste of energy if you can't put the ball between the two big sticks  :scream.
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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2009, 10:56:52 PM »
Tackling - if we improve this! we would be a better team. (how childish does that sound!)

Turnovers - well, they happen, but if we tackle or put pressure on the other team, they can have Turnovers too!

Goalkicking - i think is is so important! our shots on goal is bad. Riewoldt needs to improve, just take your team Jack! and for the whole team, take your time and concentrate!

T.T.G!  :)

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2009, 08:48:04 AM »
15 Carlton goals from our turnovers...there goes the game!

Sadly some of our best senior players were the biggest culprits on Thursday night!!

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 03:26:42 PM »
15 Carlton goals from our turnovers...there goes the game!

Sadly some of our best senior players were the biggest culprits on Thursday night!!
And supposedly most skilled players too. They collectively froze above the shoulders  :scream.
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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 04:32:02 PM »
Tackling, shepherding and blocking should become our No 1 priority for the rest of the season. I remember starting a thread some time a go about our Style of Play discussing how we just don't do it! Other teams free up space by shepherding for the ball carrier, blocking for a lading team-mate and tackling opponents to not only cause a turnover but to sap them of their energy but we continue to try and look to recieve and work individually. This has got to stop.  :banghead

When TW dropped Bowden and Pettifier for their lack of tackling the result was fantastic. We tackled fiercely, fought for each other and did the hard things. When our senior players don't defend - Bowden, Richo, Simmonds and Brown what message does this send to the younger players?!

We need to work for each other, stop looking for the easy get and become harder and tougher. At the moment we are a team of outside wingmen. We need to tackle, shepherd and block our way to the finals.

Toughen up Tigers and start playing for each other!   :pray

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 07:30:23 PM »
Tackling, shepherding and blocking should become our No 1 priority for the rest of the season. I remember starting a thread some time a go about our Style of Play discussing how we just don't do it! Other teams free up space by shepherding for the ball carrier, blocking for a lading team-mate and tackling opponents to not only cause a turnover but to sap them of their energy but we continue to try and look to recieve and work individually. This has got to stop.  :banghead

When TW dropped Bowden and Pettifier for their lack of tackling the result was fantastic. We tackled fiercely, fought for each other and did the hard things. When our senior players don't defend - Bowden, Richo, Simmonds and Brown what message does this send to the younger players?!

We need to work for each other, stop looking for the easy get and become harder and tougher. At the moment we are a team of outside wingmen. We need to tackle, shepherd and block our way to the finals.

Toughen up Tigers and start playing for each other!   :pray

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Spot on Stripes. We are the worst team at it because we simply don't shepherd and block. All that happens is one Tiger will be chased by an opponent so he'll handball off to a receiving teammate and the chaser just flies by the first Tiger and pressurises the receiver. We don't create time and space off the ball for each other.
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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 10:46:50 PM »
Tackles vs Carlton according to One Week at a Time tonight......

Defence:   18 - 7
Midfield:    33 - 55
Forward:    3 - 20

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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 07:26:26 AM »
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That's the damning one for me
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Re: The two "T's", Tackling and Turnovers
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 10:18:42 AM »
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That's the damning one for me

Message aint getting through, its as simple as that.

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