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Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« on: April 15, 2009, 02:20:54 AM »
Tigers' picks no match for Dogs
Mike Sheahan | April 14, 2009 09:25pm

 SURELY it is time for all of us to move on from the 2004 national draft and the decisions then that continue to haunt Richmond.

The Tigers have paid dearly for choosing Brett Deledio, Richard Tambling, Danny Meyer, Adam Pattison and Dean Polo with their once-in-a-generation hand of five picks in the top 20.

Terry Wallace was installed as coach several months before that draft and untried youngsters generally are the province of the recruiting staff.

What has happened since under the heading of "list management" is more instructive of the Wallace reign.

The Western Bulldogs would seem the fairest comparison, given these clubs have just played each other, given they finished in the bottom three in 2004 (separated by Hawthorn).

The Doggies have fared much better in the field (untried talent) and in trading.

From Monday's teams: Addison, Akermanis, Higgins, Hill, Hudson, Picken and Ward versus Edwards, Foley, Graham, Morton, Rance, Riewoldt and White.

Richmond's most exciting youngster, Trent Cotchin, an emerging star of the competition, was not playing because of injury, but nor was likely Bulldog Andrejs Everitt.

Foley is Richmond's big recruiting winner, an elevation from the rookie list in 2005.

Yet the Bulldogs can counter with Dale Morris, also a rookie elevation that year.

The problem for the Tigers is the period 2005-07 when the Bulldogs were far more astute.

Shaun Higgins, best afield on Monday, was taken at No. 11; Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (No. 8) remains missing in action.

The Tigers gave up a top-10 choice for Graham Polak in 2006. Polak's career has been disrupted by off-field events, yet he wasn't a front-liner.

The Bulldogs secured Jason Akermanis for a second-round pick that year, and Aker's still a matchwinner.

Perhaps the most damning of the lot is the 2007 exchange, when Richmond gave away pick 19 for Jordan McMahon.

The Bulldogs used that pick on Callan Ward; seven years younger than McMahon, and bigger, stronger and harder at the ball.

He will be in and out of the team this year, yet he is an outstanding prospect.

Richmond has not chosen wisely, nor has it polished its young talent.

None of its youngsters has grown like Higgins. Like Hill, a massive bargain at No. 61.

The Tigers collectively suffer a mixture of poor decision-making and sloppy execution of basic skills.

The modern game penalises teams severely for kicking errors in defence, yet Chris Newman is the only reliable kick in the Richmond backline.

Wallace said on Monday night that he had to try to find a cohesive mix of blue-collar workers and superior users of the ball.

Teams capable of challenging for a premiership have plenty of both.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25335731-19742,00.html

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 02:35:35 AM »
Gee OE, you could have left the bit about Jordy out, the i hate Jordy stuff has only just started to quieten down :lol

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 04:37:29 AM »
Its a completely fair article. Sometimes the truth hurts. The members supported the CAsey Miller ticket now there paying. Unfortunately members like me who didnt support that farce have to pay the price as well. :banghead

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 07:19:25 AM »
Its a completely fair article. Sometimes the truth hurts. The members supported the CAsey Miller ticket now there paying. Unfortunately members like me who didnt support that farce have to pay the price as well. :banghead

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Ok unlike so many at Tigerland I will put up my hand take responsibility and say "yep it's my fault too"  :thumbsup

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 08:19:03 AM »
read it and weap all you Mcmahon lovers out there.

Remember when he was drafted so many of you so called experts were praising the choice of Jordy.

NOW I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE ALL THINKING NOW?? SMOKEY SO QUIET THESE DAYS?  :shh
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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 08:55:52 AM »
read it and weap all you Mcmahon lovers out there.

Remember when he was drafted so many of you so called experts were praising the choice of Jordy.

NOW I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE ALL THINKING NOW?? SMOKEY SO QUIET THESE DAYS?  :shh

You insignificant little twerp.  Nothing has changed in my opinion of that decision.  It was made for the right reasons - he fitted/filled our needs and balanced against the risk of taking an untried youngster in the draft, the risk was deemed acceptable - I'm extremely comfortable with that.  So the Bulldogs picked a good one - big deal, build a bridge and get over it, you and all your hindsight-intelligent mates who spend their whole sad, sordid life hounding internet forums with their incessant whinging, ranting and "I told you so's".  Be courageous for once in your pathetic life - support something, be positive, accept an error of judgement.  Collecting another pile of chicken excreta are you?

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 09:29:11 AM »
stuff we must sell papers
we have lost 2 out of 3 games to the 2 best teams in the comp atm. and the whole world is caving in
lets wait til half way through the season and then make informed decisions rather than knee jerk ones . i really hope we win the next 10 straight just to stick up all the journos arses

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 11:05:43 AM »
To say that Polak cost us a 1st round pick is rubbish. We downgraded a few spots in the draft and still got our target in Riewoldt. Polak was super value as he was FREE. Sadly, it hasn't worked out that way.

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 11:11:16 AM »
read it and weap all you Mcmahon lovers out there.

Remember when he was drafted so many of you so called experts were praising the choice of Jordy.

NOW I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE ALL THINKING NOW?? SMOKEY SO QUIET THESE DAYS?  :shh
If I remember correctly, most were against the trade so I don't know what you are being so smug about. Oh I forgot, that's just how you are all the time.

I read this article in the paper while I was down getting some food this morning and they had a comparison of the draft picks the two clubs have made in the last 3 years. Maybe I'm biased, but I thought the comparisons were pretty even or even Richmond in front. We've certainly taken more players.

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 11:48:23 AM »
read it and weap all you Mcmahon lovers out there.

Remember when he was drafted so many of you so called experts were praising the choice of Jordy.

NOW I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE ALL THINKING NOW?? SMOKEY SO QUIET THESE DAYS?  :shh

You insignificant little twerp.  Nothing has changed in my opinion of that decision.  It was made for the right reasons - he fitted/filled our needs and balanced against the risk of taking an untried youngster in the draft, the risk was deemed acceptable - I'm extremely comfortable with that.  So the Bulldogs picked a good one - big deal, build a bridge and get over it, you and all your hindsight-intelligent mates who spend their whole sad, sordid life hounding internet forums with their incessant whinging, ranting and "I told you so's".  Be courageous for once in your pathetic life - support something, be positive, accept an error of judgement.  Collecting another pile of chicken excreta are you?

this is one of many decisions that send this club backwards
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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 11:52:40 AM »
Another way to look at is is this...we gave 2 picks...19 and 35 and got Morton and McMahon...dont allocate 19 to Mcmahon...

If we gave pick 19 for Morton and 35 for McMahon...most people would say that was a fair trade...Morton has clearly been better value than pick 35...and McMahon is lower than pick 19 ...and around pick 35...

Crikey we gave pick 42 last year for Thomo...McMahon is ahead of him in the playing stakes...

I dont have a problem with Sanchez...as his kicking skills are far better than some others in our backline...just needs to work on defensive side to his game...which I understand he did last week at Coburg...

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 11:59:22 AM »
read it and weap all you Mcmahon lovers out there.

Remember when he was drafted so many of you so called experts were praising the choice of Jordy.

NOW I WONDER WHAT YOU ARE ALL THINKING NOW?? SMOKEY SO QUIET THESE DAYS?  :shh

You insignificant little twerp.  Nothing has changed in my opinion of that decision.  It was made for the right reasons - he fitted/filled our needs and balanced against the risk of taking an untried youngster in the draft, the risk was deemed acceptable - I'm extremely comfortable with that.  So the Bulldogs picked a good one - big deal, build a bridge and get over it, you and all your hindsight-intelligent mates who spend their whole sad, sordid life hounding internet forums with their incessant whinging, ranting and "I told you so's".  Be courageous for once in your pathetic life - support something, be positive, accept an error of judgement.  Collecting another pile of chicken excreta are you?

Its people like you that run this club and have got absolutely no clue how to run a footy department.

Trading away draft picks for duds, not spending that money of developing juniors.

People like you that are almost happy to concede away picks to plug so called holes.

The same fools who kept Schulz, Jon  and Tambling till they are worthless on the open market.

The same people who accept finishing 9th is better than starting from the bottom.

the same people who think our skills have fared better under Wallace than Spud.

give me a break and open your eyes you imbecile.

WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS UNDER WALLACE!!!! IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ON OUR LADDER POSITION!! FACTS DONT LIE
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 12:04:16 PM »

Its people like you that run this club and have got absolutely no clue how to run a footy department.

Trading away draft picks for duds, not spending that money of developing juniors.

People like you that are almost happy to concede away picks to plug so called holes.

The same fools who kept Schulz, Jon  and Tambling till they are worthless on the open market.

The same people who accept finishing 9th is better than starting from the bottom.

the same people who think our skills have fared better under Wallace than Spud.

give me a break and open your eyes you imbecile.

WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS UNDER WALLACE!!!! IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT AND ON OUR LADDER POSITION!! FACTS DONT LIE

God you are boring.

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 12:06:27 PM »
I thought this thread was about our picks...and comparing them to the Doggies...??

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Re: Tigers' picks no match for Dogs: Sheahan (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2009, 12:25:54 PM »

Its people like you that run this club and have got absolutely no clue how to run a footy department.


It's people like me that support this club and not bag it mercilessly when things don't go my way.

It's people like me that will continue to support this club unconditionally.

It's people like me that helped make this club what it was, what it is, and what it will be.

It's people like me that inherited the passion for the club and have passed it down to children and grandchildren.

It's people like you who aren't any of the above and just make me sick.