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Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« on: April 19, 2009, 05:09:21 AM »
Tigers' to-do list
Jay Clark and Glenn McFarlane | April 18, 2009

ONE of the AFL's leading draft experts has warned Richmond faces a long and painful rebuilding period at exactly the wrong time to be needing one.

Neville Stibbard, the former North Melbourne recruiting boss, has delivered a damning assessment of the Tigers’ list, saying Melbourne’s playing group is further advanced and closer to a premiership.

With six Richmond players over 28 and likely to retire in the next two years, the Tigers will have little choice but to invest heavily in youth at the draft table.

But Stibbard, who played a key role putting together the Gold Coast squad, said the new franchise’s draft concessions and the likelihood of a West Sydney team would make Richmond’s task a nightmare.

“We did a lot of work on the AFL Prospectus (publication) crystal ball a nd Richmond kept saying they had a young list, but the truth is, it ain’t a young list,’” Stibbard said. “It is a very difficult situation they are in.

“They’re in trouble because Gold Coast will get the best kids and then West Sydney will come in, and they will come in – the league is committed to that now.”

Melbourne and Richmond have taken contrasting paths over the past two years, leading into today’s clash between the winless cellar dwellers.

Former Demons ruckman Jeff White said he had no doubts Melbourne did the right thing opting for youth, drafting six players in the top-21 in the past two lotteries, despite that strategy costing him a place on the list.

“With the new club coming in in the next few years, I definitely think they did the right thing rebuilding with the kids,” White said. “It’s something basically every club has to do at some stage – just bite the bullet and look to the future.

“As much as it can be frustrating for supporters, it’s a direction the club had to take, now it’s just a matter of being patient with these very young players.”

Rather than bottom out, Richmond has kept its finals hopes alive in four seasons under coach Terry Wallace by topping up with recycled, mature players.

Its best shot at the draft came when it was handed five picks in the top 20 of the 2004 national draft.

But Stibbard rated that draft the most shallow talent pool in recent times.

“We (the Kangaroos) traded for Jonathan Hay because I didn’t believe the draft was
very strong,” he said.

“It was a bad move as it turned out, but I can remember clearly saying if you are going to trade, this is the year to trade.”

Stibbard said although the more experienced Tigers might win today, re-igniting their fading September hopes, Melbourne was more advanced toward its next flag.

“If you had the opportunity to coach both sides, you would certainly favour Melbourne,” he said.

While he insisted recruiting was a tough game, and that he, too, had made mistakes, Stibbard believed several blunders were coming back to haunt the Tigers.

“Blokes like (Kayne) Pettifer aren’t going to play in a Grand Final side,” he said.

“Cleve Hughes is playing in the VFL reserves, Dean Putt is playing in the VFL reserves at Coburg this week.

“These guys are in their second and third year, and they’re playing VFL reserves which is a real shame.”

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25354375-19771,00.html

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 06:29:53 AM »
Stibbard has simply stated the truth. Its a shame its come to this but our recruiting over the past 5 years has been disgraceful. If we lose today, its over and the TANK should be on in full force.

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 07:16:14 AM »
Stibbard has simply stated the truth. Its a shame its come to this but our recruiting over the past 5 years has been disgraceful. If we lose today, its over and the TANK should be on in full force.
Ramps, whats the point in Tanking? Didnt he just explain that it is the worst time to be rebuilding a list?

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 07:20:50 AM »
Stibbard has simply stated the truth. Its a shame its come to this but our recruiting over the past 5 years has been disgraceful. If we lose today, its over and the TANK should be on in full force.
Ramps, whats the point in Tanking? Didnt he just explain that it is the worst time to be rebuilding a list?

The list we have is going nowhere - unfortunately, we are bottom of the ladder, with 6 blokes over 30 years of age, and unfortunately a large group of youngsters like JON, Hughes, Edwards et al who havent come on as expected. Tanking gets us

1 very early National draft pick and another
2 picks inside the top 20
1 very early PSD pick and
leverage in trades.

Id tank otherwise its going to be a long road to success- a very long road, unfortunately.

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 08:35:11 AM »
Hey cRAMPS,

why dont you take over rfc, we can tanl every year and win spoon  after spoon just for you! hey but we are tanking so we are winning

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 09:26:41 AM »
Bar Richo and maybe Brown, these players over 28 are not irreplaceable.  If you look at our players and our core group I believe we will be OK. Heres the list:
Thursty, Lids, Raines (Gold Coast bound), Jack, Cotch, Edwards, Polo, McGuane, Newman, Rance, Morton, Cogs ?, Patto, Hislop, Vickery, Tambo, Thompson, Goo, Hughes, White, Connors, Moore, Foley, Browne, Collins, Nahas.
Thats 26 players ho go pretty well.
Add blokes loke McMahon, Schulz, Jackson, Tuck who will be around for 6 years or so and it doesnt look quite so bleak.

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 10:42:15 AM »
Mick Malthouse has shown you can get something out of an average list, all we need is the right coach....

and to draft as many kids as possible this draft.
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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 10:57:29 AM »
Bar Richo and maybe Brown, these players over 28 are not irreplaceable.  If you look at our players and our core group I believe we will be OK. Heres the list:
Thursty, Lids, Raines (Gold Coast bound), Jack, Cotch, Edwards, Polo, McGuane, Newman, Rance, Morton, Cogs ?, Patto, Hislop, Vickery, Tambo, Thompson, Goo, Hughes, White, Connors, Moore, Foley, Browne, Collins, Nahas.
Thats 26 players ho go pretty well.
Add blokes loke McMahon, Schulz, Jackson, Tuck who will be around for 6 years or so and it doesnt look quite so bleak.

You may need to read the artical again Pmac.
Of your first list we have 12 players not playing today. I know some are injuryed but that's a fair number not to be playing because of not being picked. Vickery is the only one who you may let off due to only being drafted this year BUT as a top 10 draft pick you would hope he would be pushing for selection in his first year. (Kruezer played in his first year and played well)
These kids should be getting games under there belts now if we are going to be any good in the near future but they are not because they don't deservre to because they are not playing good footy at Coburg. Also lots of them have been on our list for a while and are not coming on.
I agree with the artical, and i think we should have taken a lot more kids in the draft in the last couple of years.
We have dug our own grave, now we have to lie in it

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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 11:05:43 AM »

We have dug our own grave, now we have to lie in it
Made our own bed.
You'd probably get the sack if you worked at a cemetery as a grave digger. At least the boss would always know where to find you  ;D
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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 11:19:17 AM »
Actually had a good laugh when I read it

Stibbard uses Jon Hay as a bad trade choice but he was there when they traded for a lot of other teams cast offs ....and I reckon the jury is still out on some of his draft choices too

As for Jeff White.... whatever ;D
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Re: Tigers' to-do list (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 11:23:55 AM »

We have dug our own grave, now we have to lie in it
Made our own bed.
You'd probably get the sack if you worked at a cemetery as a grave digger. At least the boss would always know where to find you  ;D
You can say "dug your own garve"...     peanut!.... it's a saying.... look it up, but i'm sure you just did!
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