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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2009, 09:16:07 PM »
Glad you do WP. ;) :cheers

So many I am actually losing count  ;D
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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2009, 10:41:43 PM »



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Yep, that is correct.
I thought you of all people would see through Wallace..
I did, 3 years ago,
He has ruined our club that many people have worked hard  at.

Our club has been ruined long before TW arrrived. Remember the terrible tit for tat trades with Collingwood? The club was run by so called Richmond men then! Now they hide to bag the way the club is running now! We rattled tins before TW came to the club, there was a North/Richmond merge scare before TW came! Robert Walls couldnt do it! The club let Swoopper Northy walk before TW came! We have been disastrous for a long time and the people who have supported the club for longer than 5 minutes can see that!


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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2009, 10:45:00 PM »
Well then maybe it is time for the CEO to step in and make a few decisions and take some of Wallece's power away.
He has to stand up as well. Don't know if it would happen but it did at the Skunks here and there when old Eddie wasn't too happy.

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2009, 11:04:35 PM »
So Jackstar, do you still really think Wayne Campbell is the answer to our problems?

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2009, 07:27:59 AM »
One of the things that ruins this club along with other clubs is so called "supporters" thinking they are more important because they have money then they actually are.

These people see a CLub as their own personal toy, put conditions on their support and treat the people (read the average supporter) with disdain and live in the fantasy world of believing it is the right to do so

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2009, 07:31:16 AM »
So Jackstar, do you still really think Wayne Campbell is the answer to our problems?

The problem is this, most people think of Wayne Campbell the footballer, not the person.
Would anyone of given Clarkson a coaching job if they thought as him as the footballer ? NO ! Clarkson  got the gig at Hawthorn through his personnel  skills and "footy smarts"", not the footballer

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2009, 07:40:04 AM »
I DONT AGREE with sacking a coach early, but wallace is gone, he has lost the group just like danny did. 4 plus yrs here and we are no better off thats the cold hard truth.
yesterday was d day, the players made a statement , a loss to north next week and the club should not buckle under media pressure to keep wallace and send him off.
he has wasted enough time , its taken me 4 yrs to finally realise i have been bluffed by this bloke.
we are a joke and wallace has not delivered pure and simple.
in his 5th year we have a team that is just as bad , if not worse than when he started.

been living and waiting in hope for far too long, its time for action

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2009, 09:52:24 AM »
its taken me 4 yrs to finally realise i have been bluffed by this bloke.
we are a joke and wallace has not delivered pure and simple.

Me too, must say I was never going to be convinced either way until the end of this year, but that meant finals at the very least.
You know what? I was covinced we were going somewhere this year even up until the Melbourne debacle. 3.50 for the 8 was too much temptation for me during the week and once again my faith or BLIND stupidity has cost me again  :banghead

I said finals or bust, well well looks like I/Richmond have busted pretty early  :banghead

The worst thing is Melbourne are very ordinary and just beat us by playing simple footy, Melbourne will be lucky to win another game this year, says a lot about where we are at. :banghead Again

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2009, 10:20:09 AM »
its taken me 4 yrs to finally realise i have been bluffed by this bloke.
we are a joke and wallace has not delivered pure and simple.

Me too, must say I was never going to be convinced either way until the end of this year, but that meant finals at the very least.
You know what? I was covinced we were going somewhere this year even up until the Melbourne debacle. 3.50 for the 8 was too much temptation for me during the week and once again my faith or BLIND stupidity has cost me again  :banghead

I said finals or bust, well well looks like I/Richmond have busted pretty early  :banghead

The worst thing is Melbourne are very ordinary and just beat us by playing simple footy, Melbourne will be lucky to win another game this year, says a lot about where we are at. :banghead Again

your right CUB, absolutely right. Weplayed like the Dees in the last and look what happened. Its TW's game plan that is sending us nowhere.

Round 1, 2 and 3 i was angry, peeed off after the game but during and after the dees game i almost knew the result was coming.

IMO our season was lost against the Blues. The way we lost, the skill errors, the missed targets and the game plan was a sign of where our season was headed.

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2009, 10:30:09 AM »
its taken me 4 yrs to finally realise i have been bluffed by this bloke.
we are a joke and wallace has not delivered pure and simple.

Me too, must say I was never going to be convinced either way until the end of this year, but that meant finals at the very least.
You know what? I was covinced we were going somewhere this year even up until the Melbourne debacle. 3.50 for the 8 was too much temptation for me during the week and once again my faith or BLIND stupidity has cost me again  :banghead

I said finals or bust, well well looks like I/Richmond have busted pretty early  :banghead

The worst thing is Melbourne are very ordinary and just beat us by playing simple footy, Melbourne will be lucky to win another game this year, says a lot about where we are at. :banghead Again

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2009, 10:31:33 AM »
I think we all have been niave at just how big a task the rebuilding will be. The five year timeline was obviously too short and our expectations elevated too high on the base of media hype and years of frustration.

This is a 7 year plan, plain and simple. Our young players need to reach that midage bracket not before we are challenging for a flag but become we make finals. This may be hard to accept but the evidence is there. Our senior players and 'list cloggers' (read Petts, JON, King and even Cogs) now need to be moved aside for youth if we have any chance of future success.

Should TW have been given a 7 year contract - hell no, but I believe he knew the extent of the task ahead and hoped he could claim a finals berth in his finals year to gain an extention and continue the process.

If we do bottom out again this year and take 6 + new recruits then I would start by delisting Petts, JON and King, and then move onto asking Brown, Bowden and Johnson to retire. On the back of his last two game Simmonds may be finished too which would almost garrentee us a wooden spoon given the state of our ruck development (though Gus showed promise on Sunday around the stoppages).

Even if TW does do the impossible now and make the eight I have now lost faith in his game plan given the current state of the game. Our list can not effectively play the zone and stop the opposition from moving through it. The other teams are prepared for this strategy and we do not have the skills to execute it. We do not shepherd, block and tackle. This is part of TW fast paced, run and carry game plan.

We do not play for each other. We are still playing to keep our placing in the team rather than win as a collective group and like minded passionate players. Is this the coaches fault...yes partially by changing the team so regularly but also our senior leaders fault too for not demanding success from each other.

Our leaders are all individual, selfish players. Richo bleeds for the club but struggles to do the defensive 1% with tackling, sheherding and smoothering. When was the last time you saw Richo dummy lead or block another forwards opponent so they can lead to space? When the ball is kicked to the forwardline Richo will go for the mark regardless of if his team mates are in a better position. If we are losing Richo tries to win the game off his own actions and own boot. We need our spiritual leaders to do all the hard yards, sacrafice his own game and bring his young team mates into the game.

Bowden is another bad example. He has a strong presence on the field but his game philosophy is poles apart from where we need to be. He wants to slow everything down, take the safe option and gather possessions to keep the Dream Team coaches happy. Again - does he do the 1%? Does he tackle, shepherd, block and work off the ball - No. He is always in space looking to recieve. When he needed to defend on the weekend and was one out against his opponent Melbourne had no hesitation in kicking it to his opponent who beat him every time.

We need leaders who do the hard yards, are physical, passionate, aggressive and team orienated. I hope whatever coach comes to our club next year they retire the older players and demand team focused leaders who will accept no weakness on the field from their team.

We need a team of players not a group of individuals and if TW can't give that to us through his game plan and caoching style then we need change soon.

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2009, 11:05:42 AM »
So Jackstar, do you still really think Wayne Campbell is the answer to our problems?

The problem is this, most people think of Wayne Campbell the footballer, not the person.
Would anyone of given Clarkson a coaching job if they thought as him as the footballer ? NO ! Clarkson  got the gig at Hawthorn through his personnel  skills and "footy smarts"", not the footballer
At least Clarkson was always considered an angry man with "short man syndrome", in fact it's often the players who were never stars who make the best coaches, however they still needed to be involved in success at some level. Clarkson was an assistant coach at Port Adelaide when they won the premiership, Wayne Campbell is no more credentialled to be a senior coach than Danny Frawley was.

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« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »
If we got rid of Wallace now wouldn't it cost us a heap of money that the club can't afford to pay out if we terminate his contract.
But if he was to walk would cancel the money owing to him cause he walked.

I don't see us making him walk, I can see him walk.
And I agree with all the chatter about the Hawks now coach. I had never heard of him or remembered his name as a player.
But I'm sure I will remember him as a coach now.

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2009, 01:21:06 PM »
We were competitive and had crack then,

Even though our team couldn't play much worse I am against giving them illegal drugs.

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Re: Tick, tick, tick....
« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2009, 03:22:38 PM »
So Jackstar, do you still really think Wayne Campbell is the answer to our problems?

The problem is this, most people think of Wayne Campbell the footballer, not the person.
Would anyone of given Clarkson a coaching job if they thought as him as the footballer ? NO ! Clarkson  got the gig at Hawthorn through his personnel  skills and "footy smarts"", not the footballer

incorrect


clarkson got the job because he was a tough uncompromising player with a succesful coachng record, he was also  an assistant at port adelaide when they won the premiership.

Wayne campbell is none of the above.

Don't compare them as they have nothing in common.