Question for Mightytiges

[Moi]

You know, I reckon you would be the best judge of what's happening to our club on here because you've watched probably more training sessions than anyone else here.
They reckon teams play the way they train.  Do they train this badly?  Surely, if they can't handle the game plan or whatever you like to call it, this must show up in their training during the week.
Question:  Do they comprehend Wallace's instructions at training? If so, why aren't they reproducing on game day? 

Would really appreciate your honest thoughts on whether it could possibly work under Wallace. I value your opinion on these things more than anyone else, and seeing as I have no idea when it comes to tactics and stuff, I reckon whatever you say holds more sway IMO than some other more biased contributors :-)  Has Wallace lost it?  Do the players have the skills in training to cope with the high possession game?  Are they doing everything right in training and just not producing on game day?

And contrary to popular belief  I can hack it if you think Wallace sucks, so be brutal if you have to be lol 

[1980]

They've been playing devoid of any expectations or pressure for 4 years. Rebuilding and development periods are just get out of jail free cards.

When they had to stand up this year, they didnt know how to. And they were led by senior players that never wanted or needed to

[mightytiges]

I'll need to come back to this later on today to answer your question properly Moi but in short there's blame on both the coaching staff and the players.

Our players bar a few are to put it bluntly slow-thinkers  . Their reaction times to make decisions are the worst in the AFL IMO. Quick movement in footy is not how fast you can run but how fast you can think and execute. Geelong players are hardly fast apart from Wojcinski and a couple of others but they work together to move the ball on quickly. That's why they are so good. You hardly see a Geelong player standing with the ball for 20 secs trying to decide what to do with it. Our guys also seem to have little understanding of even basic footy strategy. Sure the coaching staff should spot and fix this but sheesh as a professional footballer surely you can think for yourself as far as strategy goes (reading which way the ball is heading, running to space, etc). It's laughable how even something so simple as a switch in play across HB we have all our players running to thin side instead of the fat-side wing where the ball is heading to and where the space is. So the poor defender looks up and sees no one . Thick as!

The coaching staff (yep Wallace) are too soft on the players. They're not strict on demanding players to execute the fundamentals of footy to an elite standard. It's as though they assume all the fundamental stuff you learnt in junior footy the players should know and do already so there's no need to re-enforce it at AFL level when it fact our players don't or rarely do these things (shepherding for instance - you don't see it training either). The execution of game-based drills carry on despite poor 1%ers and disposal at times instead of making the players do it again until they don't make a mistake. I think Sam Mitchell said they are made to repeat drills if they stuff it up. That rarely happens at Richmond training. Even in circle work where's there no pressure and no opposition you should always be aiming to kick to your teammates advantage. Cuz is one of the best at this. If the receiver has to change direction or prop and stop to get the ball then that would be a turnover in a real game. AFL is becoming more like soccer where elite footskills holding up under pressure are essential. It's about demanding eliteness if you really want to be classed as a professional footballer. That IMO is what is lacking coming from the coaching staff and our leaders in the playing group.

I always believe when things aren't working you need to go back to basics and make sure you are doing the fundamentals right. Once that's done then you can start adding more complicated ideas. At the moment we aren't doing the basics so we end up playing as a rabble we look like.

[julzqld]

I'll need to come back to this later on today to answer your question properly Moi but in short there's blame on both the coaching staff and the players.

Our players bar a few are to put it bluntly slow-thinkers  . Their reaction times to make decisions are the worst in the AFL IMO. Quick movement in footy is not how fast you can run but how fast you can think and execute. Geelong players are hardly fast apart from Wojcinski and a couple of others but they work together to move the ball on quickly. That's why they are so good. You hardly see a Geelong player standing with the ball for 20 secs trying to decide what to do with it. Our guys also seem to have little understanding of even basic footy strategy. Sure the coaching staff should spot and fix this but sheesh as a professional footballer surely you can think for yourself as far as strategy goes (reading which way the ball is heading, running to space, etc). It's laughable how even something so simple as a switch in play across HB we have all our players running to thin side instead of the fat-side wing where the ball is heading to and where the space is. So the poor defender looks up and sees no one . Thick as!

The coaching staff (yep Wallace) are too soft on the players. They're not strict on demanding players to execute the fundamentals of footy to an elite standard. It's as though they assume all the fundamental stuff you learnt in junior footy the players should know and do already so there's no need to re-enforce it at AFL level when it fact our players don't or rarely do these things (shepherding for instance - you don't see it training either). The execution of game-based drills carry on despite poor 1%ers and disposal at times instead of making the players do it again until they don't make a mistake. I think Sam Mitchell said they are made to repeat drills if they stuff it up. That rarely happens at Richmond training. Even in circle work where's there no pressure and no opposition you should always be aiming to kick to your teammates advantage. Cuz is one of the best at this. If the receiver has to change direction or prop and stop to get the ball then that would be a turnover in a real game. AFL is becoming more like soccer where elite footskills holding up under pressure are essential. It's about demanding eliteness if you really want to be classed as a professional footballer. That IMO is what is lacking coming from the coaching staff and our leaders in the playing group.

I always believe when things aren't working you need to go back to basics and make sure you are doing the fundamentals right. Once that's done then you can start adding more complicated ideas. At the moment we aren't doing the basics so we end up playing as a rabble we look like.

Good points MT but how come Wallace can't see it this way.

[TigerTime]

shane crawford made this point on radio yesterday, said that he belives richmond dont train hard enough and they dont set high enough standards.  said their training to relaxed with no intensity

i hate to say but reality has smacked me in the face all of a sudden, wallace has been no good for us, we are back to square one.

[Moi]

I'll need to come back to this later on today to answer your question properly Moi but in short there's blame on both the coaching staff and the players.

Our players bar a few are to put it bluntly slow-thinkers  . Their reaction times to make decisions are the worst in the AFL IMO. Quick movement in footy is not how fast you can run but how fast you can think and execute. Geelong players are hardly fast apart from Wojcinski and a couple of others but they work together to move the ball on quickly. That's why they are so good. You hardly see a Geelong player standing with the ball for 20 secs trying to decide what to do with it. Our guys also seem to have little understanding of even basic footy strategy. Sure the coaching staff should spot and fix this but sheesh as a professional footballer surely you can think for yourself as far as strategy goes (reading which way the ball is heading, running to space, etc). It's laughable how even something so simple as a switch in play across HB we have all our players running to thin side instead of the fat-side wing where the ball is heading to and where the space is. So the poor defender looks up and sees no one . Thick as!

The coaching staff (yep Wallace) are too soft on the players. They're not strict on demanding players to execute the fundamentals of footy to an elite standard. It's as though they assume all the fundamental stuff you learnt in junior footy the players should know and do already so there's no need to re-enforce it at AFL level when it fact our players don't or rarely do these things (shepherding for instance - you don't see it training either). The execution of game-based drills carry on despite poor 1%ers and disposal at times instead of making the players do it again until they don't make a mistake. I think Sam Mitchell said they are made to repeat drills if they stuff it up. That rarely happens at Richmond training. Even in circle work where's there no pressure and no opposition you should always be aiming to kick to your teammates advantage. Cuz is one of the best at this. If the receiver has to change direction or prop and stop to get the ball then that would be a turnover in a real game. AFL is becoming more like soccer where elite footskills holding up under pressure are essential. It's about demanding eliteness if you really want to be classed as a professional footballer. That IMO is what is lacking coming from the coaching staff and our leaders in the playing group.

I always believe when things aren't working you need to go back to basics and make sure you are doing the fundamentals right. Once that's done then you can start adding more complicated ideas. At the moment we aren't doing the basics so we end up playing as a rabble we look like.

Great work, MT.  Thank you.
It does sound like a blight on our training methods, or lack thereof
And it's a blight on AFL players in general who can't grasp the basics like shepherds etc.
Also when a player's running with the ball and he's being chased down, they don't appear to be vocal enough on match day etc etc.
When the club did their review last year, they should have got you in.
I'm being totally serious here, you've been watching them train for so long now, I reckon you could tell them a thing or two 

[cub]

Just watching yesterday - Tiger player get it about 60 out, nest of players at around 20 out - no one in the goal square - simple junior footy stuff just need a tall tiger to see and drop into that space hey presto.

Whitey 'sorry to make example Matt' get the ball delivered running forward stops props looks left to right sideways backwards, tries to handball to someone sideways under pressure by now, demon blocks it offback into attack, when all Whitey had to do was  put in a quick 5 10 straight towards goal and deliver.

I have enjoyed listening to Crawfords analysis of us on various forums of late and he is right.
We need to go back to basic underage footy stuff and work from there.

None the less this also requires playing your players in the positions where they are most effective IE RICHO UP FORWARD. Get a spine have the crumbers at their feet and move the ball forward at ALL costs. Corrider footy if you may I would rather see us try this 2 possesions would see us out of immediate danger if turned over as opposed to 6 posessions in the defensive 50 only to turn it over anyway and in danger straight away.

It was a shizen game yesterday and this is how the dees got away and got the lead. Backing themselves and going direct and long and FORWARD - not fn backwards sideways and ring a rosy.

Any chance Crawford would be looking for a coaches position - There's one out of left field to consider.

[the_boy_jake]

Our players bar a few are to put it bluntly slow-thinkers  . Their reaction times to make decisions are the worst in the AFL IMO. Quick movement in footy is not how fast you can run but how fast you can think and execute. Geelong players are hardly fast apart from Wojcinski and a couple of others but they work together to move the ball on quickly. That's why they are so good. You hardly see a Geelong player standing with the ball for 20 secs trying to decide what to do with it. Our guys also seem to have little understanding of even basic footy strategy. Sure the coaching staff should spot and fix this but sheesh as a professional footballer surely you can think for yourself as far as strategy goes (reading which way the ball is heading, running to space, etc). It's laughable how even something so simple as a switch in play across HB we have all our players running to thin side instead of the fat-side wing where the ball is heading to and where the space is. So the poor defender looks up and sees no one . Thick as!

MT, isn't slow thinking what gets exposed when players either don't know what the gameplan is or don't have the confidence to follow through with it. I mean there is a chance we've drafted a heap of exceptionally slow thinking footballers, but more likely it is one of two cases: we either have footballers who have little idea of what to do next because i) the gameplan hasn't been digested by that individual and other individuals who are the next link in the chain or ii) the other players cbf doing the little things to make the gameplan work.

If it is mostly i) then this too is a mark against Wallace. If it is ii) then the players should bear the burden.

I think its a bit of both.

[Francois Jackson]

Just watching yesterday - Tiger player get it about 60 out, nest of players at around 20 out - no one in the goal square - simple junior footy stuff just need a tall tiger to see and drop into that space hey presto.

Whitey 'sorry to make example Matt' get the ball delivered running forward stops props looks left to right sideways backwards, tries to handball to someone sideways under pressure by now, demon blocks it offback into attack, when all Whitey had to do was  put in a quick 5 10 straight towards goal and deliver.

I have enjoyed listening to Crawfords analysis of us on various forums of late and he is right.
We need to go back to basic underage footy stuff and work from there.

None the less this also requires playing your players in the positions where they are most effective IE RICHO UP FORWARD. Get a spine have the crumbers at their feet and move the ball forward at ALL costs. Corrider footy if you may I would rather see us try this 2 possesions would see us out of immediate danger if turned over as opposed to 6 posessions in the defensive 50 only to turn it over anyway and in danger straight away.

It was a shizen game yesterday and this is how the dees got away and got the lead. Backing themselves and going direct and long and FORWARD - not fn backwards sideways and ring a rosy.

Any chance Crawford would be looking for a coaches position - There's one out of left field to consider.

Crawford is the best thing to happen to the media since he quit the Hawks.

I have been listening to him of late and some of the words that have come out of his mouth have been so intelligent and right on the money.

He is a gun.

[Jackstar is back]

Hey Moi,
I will answer youe question as I have watched all club train and still do.
RFC train like they play , ordinary.
The Cats train the best by far.
Funny enough the one Duncan Kellaway helps out a far bit. People can laugh all they want but very true.

[blaisee]

Hey Moi,
I will answer youe question as I have watched all club train and still do.
RFC train like they play , ordinary.
The Cats train the best by far.
Funny enough the one Duncan Kellaway helps out a far bit. People can laugh all they want but very true.

hahahha

yea he helps out, he places the witches hats, massages their hamstrings and gives them their water

what a classic

[Jackstar is back]

Hey Moi,
I will answer youe question as I have watched all club train and still do.
RFC train like they play , ordinary.
The Cats train the best by far.
Funny enough the one Duncan Kellaway helps out a far bit. People can laugh all they want but very true.

hahahha

yea he helps out, he places the witches hats, massages their hamstrings and gives them their water

what a classic

Just shows what a moron you are.
He actually does take drills down there.
Unlike David King who had players push a combi van around punt road at a supporters training night
Hey Blaisee, how is Terry ?

[Tigermonk]

Hey Moi,
I will answer youe question as I have watched all club train and still do.
RFC train like they play , ordinary.
The Cats train the best by far.
Funny enough the one Duncan Kellaway helps out a far bit. People can laugh all they want but very true.

hahahha

yea he helps out, he places the witches hats, massages their hamstrings and gives them their water

what a classic

haha l'm laughing too its won them a premiership & they are always the ones to beat for any club
just shows the poo club we are

[Jackstar is back]

Interesting as well, we get rid of David Wheadon, who Geelong snap up for the past 3 years to mentor Bomber Thompson and the younger players at Geelong.
True. he works 3 days a week and loves it

[mat073]

They've been playing devoid of any expectations or pressure for 4 years. Rebuilding and development periods are just get out of jail free cards.

When they had to stand up this year, they didnt know how to. And they were led by senior players that never wanted or needed to

This is a very good observation of the team at the moment.Its explains why Richmond in round 22 last year can beat Melbourne by over 80pts(dead rubber) and lose in round four the next year when the season is on the line.Its explains why our best effort this year (Geelong) was in a game where the expectations were very low.