Premiership Team?

[Stripes]

What's the difference between our current team and our 2011 team? Given that from this draft on the calibre of recruits will be severely compromised, we have to depend upon the majority of our current list to lift us to a flag in the future but where will the changes come from?

Current Team

Player over 25 are underlined

FB -   Polo        Moore        Newman

HB -   Rance     McGuane    McMahon

C -   Deledio    Tuck      Tambling

HF - Collins     Riewoldt    JON

FF - Morton    Richo    Nahas

Foll - Graham, Foley, Jackson, White

Int - Patto, Cogs, Bowden, ????

So besides Richo and Bowden I can't see our team changing dramatically in the near future. Cotchin, Vickery and Raines would all be expected to be included with Thursfield and Post other good chances but other than the odd first round draft pick (read mid 20s if we finish anywhere near middle of the ladder in future drafts) this will be our team for the future.

Is this team good enough?

How long do we give the young players to develop?

If the forwardline continues to be a problem how can we fix it?



Stripes

[Infamy]

*Cough*Cough*Coughlan!!!

[Stripes]

*Cough*Cough*Coughlan!!!

Whoops! I forgot the interchange - who is missing?

Stripes

[Infamy]

Not sure if Graham should be named as a centreman either, it would make our midfield with Patto in the ruck very tall and slow

[mat073]

The thing that gives me hope is that the core of that team will be in the 23-27 age group and should be at their peak.May not be a premieirship in them....but at least we can go to the footy and see a competitive effort every week.

[Chuck17]

but at least we can go to the footy and see a competitive effort every week.

Yeh wouldnt that be nice

[Stripes]

Another thing that gives me hope is that I don't think we will miss most of the senior players. I think they will all be replaced, with in many instances, more team orienated and/or productive players. 

Stripes

[Judge Roughneck]

 B: Newman (26) - McGaune (22) - Moore (25)
HB: Polo (22) - Rance (19) - x
 C: Tambling (22) - Deledio (22) - Cotchin (19)
HF: White (22) - Reiwoldt (20) - x
 F: Nahas (21) - x - x
OB: Pattison (23) / Graham (22) - Coughlan (27) - Foley (23)
Tuck (27) - Vickery (18) - x - x

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Only got about 1/2 the building blocks in place. 

ie. key forward/s


Schultz ?
Raines ?
Jacko ?
Thursfeild ?
Edwards ?
Morton ?
Collins ?
JON ?
Post ?
Gilligan ?

Lots of kids... that need to show something at Coburg sometime soon

[Infamy]

Bents one day you'll figure out how to spell McGuane

[Stripes]

B: Newman (26) - McGaune (22) - Moore (25)
HB: Polo (22) - Rance (19) - x
 C: Tambling (22) - Deledio (22) - Cotchin (19)
HF: White (22) - Reiwoldt (20) - x
 F: Nahas (21) - x - x
OB: Pattison (23) / Graham (22) - Coughlan (27) - Foley (23)
Tuck (27) - Vickery (18) - x - x

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Only got about 1/2 the building blocks in place. 

ie. key forward/s


Schultz ?
Raines ?
Jacko ?
Thursfeild ?
Edwards ?
Morton ?
Collins ?
JON ?
Post ?
Gilligan ?

Lots of kids... that need to show something at Coburg sometime soon

I think Morton will be very much part of the team, as will Jacko, Thursfield and very possibly Raines and Collins (on current form). So out of the 6 empty places you had in your team,from my perspective, we are really only missing a couple of key forwards....which I hope someone like Post, Vickery or the great underachiever - Schulz could step up and claim.

My question marks remain over most of the young list but particularly over players such as

Cogs and Tuck - (will they lack the required skill and pace we need and lose their place/role to players such as Thomson, Cotchin and Lids in years to come?)

Patto - where will be play particularly if Vickery, Browne and/or Putt step up quickly? I'm not convinced he has the pace or lateral movement to be a KPF.

Raines - can he play in any other way so he is not hemmed in and run down running from defense? Will Edwards become a better option off the HHF?

Hughes/Schulz/Putt/Gourdis/Vickery - Do we have any big forward that we can kick it to long? Will anyone standup!?

JON - Is he evr going to make it? Could he be our inside 50 man?

Still alot of questions to be answered and development to occur but as I said earlier, I can't see us gaining a great deal of quality from the next few drafts so we just have to hope that what we have lifts....

Stripes

[Judge Roughneck]

B: Newman (26) - McGaune (22) - Moore (25)
HB: Polo (22) - Rance (19) - x
 C: Tambling (22) - Deledio (22) - Cotchin (19)
HF: White (22) - Reiwoldt (20) - x
 F: Nahas (21) - x - x
OB: Pattison (23) / Graham (22) - Coughlan (27) - Foley (23)
Tuck (27) - Vickery (18) - x - x

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Only got about 1/2 the building blocks in place. 

ie. key forward/s


Schultz ?
Raines ?
Jacko ?
Thursfeild ?
Edwards ?
Morton ?
Collins ?
JON ?
Post ?
Gilligan ?

Lots of kids... that need to show something at Coburg sometime soon

I think Morton will be very much part of the team, as will Jacko, Thursfield and very possibly Raines and Collins (on current form). So out of the 6 empty places you had in your team,from my perspective, we are really only missing a couple of key forwards....which I hope someone like Post, Vickery or the great underachiever - Schulz could step up and claim.

My question marks remain over most of the young list but particularly over players such as
Cogs and Tuck - (will they lack the required skill and pace we need and lose their place/role to players such as Thomson, Cotchin and Lids in years to come?)

Patto - where will be play particularly if Vickery, Browne and/or Putt step up quickly? I'm not convinced he has the pace or lateral movement to be a KPF.

Raines - can he play in any other way so he is not hemmed in and run down running from defense? Will Edwards become a better option off the HHF?

Hughes/Schulz/Putt/Gourdis/Vickery - Do we have any big forward that we can kick it to long? Will anyone standup!?

JON - Is he evr going to make it? Could he be our inside 50 man?

Still alot of questions to be answered and development to occur but as I said earlier, I can't see us gaining a great deal of quality from the next few drafts so we just have to hope that what we have lifts....

Stripes

Indeed.

It seems we have a decent enough U23 group. Cotchin, Deledio, Rance, Reiwoldt, Foley

We can ony hope the next tier of those kids come good; Vickery, Edwards, JON, Graham, Raines and co. kick on.

We have to sort out the oldest 1/2 of the list, 24yoa-30yoa+ to see what we keep next year.

at this stage:

gone: Brown?, Johnson, Bowden, Simmonds, Pettifer, McMahon, King, Polak, Silvestr, Schulz?

 Richo?, Tuck, Coughlan, Newman, Moore -> only senior player who should be on senior list '10 really.

[Stripes]

Indeed.

It seems we have a decent enough U23 group. Cotchin, Deledio, Rance, Reiwoldt, Foley

We can ony hope the next tier of those kids come good; Vickery, Edwards, JON, Graham, Raines and co. kick on.

We have to sort out the oldest 1/2 of the list, 24yoa-30yoa+ to see what we keep next year.

at this stage:

gone: Brown?, Johnson, Bowden, Simmonds, Pettifer, McMahon, King, Polak, Silvestr, Schulz?

 Richo?, Tuck, Coughlan, Newman, Moore -> only senior player who should be on senior list '10 really.

I agree with all your ommissions except for McMahon who I feel still offers footskills to the club as long as our inside players are doing their jobs.

We obviously can't delist/retire that amount above. Usually only around 6-8 move on including rookies.

So if I had to choose 4-6 players to move on from the main list it would be -

King, Pettifier, Johnson, Brown, Bowden & Polak

From the rookie list it would be -

Silvester (last year of contract)

I would elevate Nahas & BrownE leaving us with 4 draft picks (reasonable given the predicted lack of depth in the draft) and 3 rookies. I might wait to see what is left in the 5th round before elevating BrownE but regardless I think he is a find for the future.

Really depends on when and if our young players continue to improve and gel as a team.

Stripes

[FooffooValve]

I reckon more than 6 will move on at the end of this year. If it were up to me, this would happen:

Johnson, Bowden, Simmonds retire. Possibly also Brown, Richo, Cousins and Polak, depending on how the rest of the year pans out for them injury-wise. Quite possible that all 4 won't be on our list next year. So... up to 7 retirements, but let's say 4.

We should trade Tuck and Foley. Might get a late 2nd round or 3rd rounder for Tuck, and maybe a late first round but more likely a 2nd rounder for Foley. Doubt that this will happen, but we need to be aggressive to get some good picks in these compromised drafts. GC will be looking for a few hard bodies, Tuck will give them that and we've seen the best of him. A fit Cotchin is twice the player Foley is — I reckon Foley is a limited player and should be traded while he is still worth something.

Delist Pettifer, Schulz and possibly Hughes. Plenty of others lucky to survive, eg King and JON.

If only a part of that happened, we'd still have something like 8 changes to the main list.

[Stripes]

It seems like another year when we have more players that should be delisted than we can manage.

We can only recruit and trade a certain amount but anything over 6 draft picks and 2 (if we are lucky) trades would be unlikely so in order, IMO, these are the most likely to go -

Johnson(retire), Bowden(retire), Brown(retire), King(delist), Pettifier(trade/delist), Schulz(trade/delist), Polak(retire), Silvester(delist)

Also players such as Raines and McGuane (at least) may be targeted by the GC so depending on the trade period and other potential retirements such as Richo and Simmonds, this will depend on whether the above changes come to fruition.

I still think there will be some lucky players come years end who will miss a bullet simply because of the unusually quanity of retirements we will have.

Stripes

[Francois Jackson]

It seems like another year when we have more players that should be delisted than we can manage.

We can only recruit and trade a certain amount but anything over 6 draft picks and 2 (if we are lucky) trades would be unlikely so in order, IMO, these are the most likely to go -

Johnson(retire), Bowden(retire), Brown(retire), King(delist), Pettifier(trade/delist), Schulz(trade/delist), Polak(retire), Silvester(delist)

Also players such as Raines and McGuane (at least) may be targeted by the GC so depending on the trade period and other potential retirements such as Richo and Simmonds, this will depend on whether the above changes come to fruition.

I still think there will be some lucky players come years end who will miss a bullet simply because of the unusually quanity of retirements we will have.

Stripes

Thats the problem with this football club

Everyone with half a brain knew Schulz and Pettifer would amount to NOTHING so why do we hold them till they are worth NOTHING.

With GC coming in we would be lucky to get a pick inside 100 for either of them, however if we dumped them when we should've i would say anything from pick 15-30 we would have received from those now 2 d grade footballers