Please, Terry, just go!

[MikeetIGER]

I actually think Terry should go now
Only because we can't make the finals on that form and that his own plans have dug his own grave.
This year was always going to be our worst year, the fifth year, with the older players at their oldest and with such a young group coming through rudderless without leadership.
They are a rabble out there.  No leadership and the circle work is driving me insane
They look skinny and like little boys against men
I think some of the players should hang their heads as well
I'm sorry that it didn't work because the club really needed to show it had matured a bit and could stand by someone.
I don't think it's all Terry's fault.
As one person said on another thread one player hadn't even seen a development coach until his third year.  That's a blight on the whole club 

My fears aren't with letting Terry go, my fears are that we appoint the right person for a long term sustainable future, the same vision that Terry had.  Not just for the here and now but for sustainable success.  We have to have a coach with the same balls as Terry, to not go down that quick fix path, but he has to have the support of the whole club, who will demand respect and get it.  The only person is Matthews in my book.  I can't see anyone else who could get that. 

I just pray the club picks the right person 

Hi Moi, i will try and keep this civil too, but what you say about getting the right person like TW who puts the club in front of his own success is rubbish. I know these names have been brought up before but it is totally clear to me that TW was looking after himself when drafting/trading these players-

Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.
Mark Graham- 30 odd year old for the there and then. (Disgracful selection)
Trent Knoble- another discard with the thought of instant output.

Now thats just in his first few months at the club. Sure he drafted some kids as well but when rebuilding you draft ALL kids not top-up players.

Patrick Bowden- picked to play asap. Had a good year but blind Fredy could see he was not drafted to be in our next premiership.
Jeremy Humm- discard from West Coast.

Graham Polak- played some good games for us but was traded for an early draft pick and possibly a good kid who could have been playing yesterday.
Kent Kinsley- Total disgrace of a pick. You can not tell me this was for the future of the club.

Jordan McMahon- again traded for an early draft pick for a quick fix. Weak, skinny and overated. Horrible selection and cannot even cement his spot in our very ordinary side.
Mitch Morton- another discard that has been ok BUT was dropped for yesterdays game and is a selfish player and who knows what will come of him. Quick fix in TW thoughts again.
Tristian Cartledge- Bomber discard that Terry thought he could make something of. Fail!

Adam Thomson- another mid draft selection traded away for another discard. (Cocko does not give away good players that easily) Cannot even get a game in a side with one win on the board, time will tell but am not holding my breath.
Tom Hislop- another Bomber discard that has shown not a great deal. Still early days but will bet he will be a waste of a draft pick.

Now if i have missed anybody i apoligise, but i think this clearly shows that TW had other things on his mind other than a rebuild. To say he has had "balls" is an utter joke and it only shows that he has "balls things up"

I also hope like you that the next coach has the RFC sustainable future in mind and sticks to it after they get appointed! It is pretty easy to say it but even harder to stick to it. I also hope the next coach has a game plan that lets us as supporters enjoy the game even if we get beat, a game plan that is exciting with run and carry and long kicking and goal scoring and none of this kicking sideways CRAP!!!

Brilliant post Tone and THIS is the real reason why we are a shambles on the field.  I've thought these exact same things over the last few years and argue with others about these same facts.  Terry went back on his word of "we'll use the draft and create our own champions" blah blah blah.  He panicked and, as usual thought of himself rather than the betterment and future of the RFC.  Like you said, he compromised and has done the quick-fix too many times.  If only he took the early pain of less wins at the start of his coaching tenure, stuck to just using the draft to get as many good kids through maximising good draft picks, NOT TRADING THEM AWAY, or downgrading them and recruiting other teams hacks.  HE HAS BEEN A DISGRACE TO OUR GREAT CLUB.  He has robbed us.  In my mind it's almost criminal the decisions Terry has made regarding our list & the negligent way he has treated the National Draft.  Terry has only thought about Terry, wanting instant success/wins with stupid quick-fix solutions.  Damn you Wallace.

GO TIGES!!!

[wayne]

It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...

While it might cost us MM, I'm sure he'd understand if we did it.

[the_boy_jake]

It's actually interesting you mention this GR12 - Malthouse who some on here have already annointed as our next great messiah has already stated he would go near a club that sacked its coach mid-season...

While it might cost us MM, I'm sure he'd understand if we did it.

Agreed wayne.

9.5 years. One finals appearance. Two wooden spoons and in the running for a third. Two coaches. I don't really care if Malthouse wants to be obstinate and stick to his point of principle. We've been honourable to our coaches and if he cannot respect than I don't think we should bother with him.

[Fishfinger]

Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.

Not sure why you'd put Simmonds on your list because getting him was a list management masterstroke.
He was effectively a straight swap for Fiora. Simmonds in, Fiora out. No draft picks involved so a good young kid couldn't have been drafted instead.
His reported salary was very reasonable.
He was signed for 5 years, so he was filling a need there and then and the future.

[1980]

Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.

Not sure why you'd put Simmonds on your list because getting him was a list management masterstroke.
He was effectively a straight swap for Fiora. Simmonds in, Fiora out. No draft picks involved so a good young kid couldn't have been drafted instead.
His reported salary was very reasonable.
He was signed for 5 years, so he was filling a need there and then and the future.

And so far we got 2 good years out of 5 from him

[Mr Magic]

I like how March and the board are playing this.

Only way Wallet leaves this year is if he walks.

After the review, the club simply has to announce that we are on the lookout for a new coach for next season.

Can't see any value whatsoever in punting him before his time is up. Just further taints the club and scares off potential candidates with the possibility of scrounging an extra win or two under a caretaker.

Wallet made the bed, if he wants to lie in it that's his problem.

In the meantime the hunt for his replacement is on.

[Tigermonk]

Monk, thats right
We chopped players who bled yellow and black for one of terrys friend PAUL HUDSON. WTF

Everyone on here was praising Paul Hudson the other day
Hard to keep up with you guys lol 

Moi, as a player he was finished when he got to us. Was thankfull for a years salary
As a coach, he is at Collingwood as an assistant

let me tell you a few truths
Gasper had done enough for Richmond by taking pay cuts while at the club,  Not like some others like Ottens & among some other things he sacrificed,  he could have taken the offers from other clubs but wanted to stay at Richmond till unexpectedly being shafted.  Richmond thinking Thursfield was better,  where is Thursfield playing now l might add how good he really is.  My son thinks his crap & wants his place in a few years 
Gas had seen what RFC had done to some other loyal sons of the club & walked to freedom
Paul Hudson l can personaly say he is a great coach having played along side him at senior level
Great coach with youngsters in the TAC comp with success. On his day off from TAC he was the Richmond runner now thats commitment in itself.
Assistant coach under Leigh Matthews at Brisbane & now assistant coach under Malthouse today at Collingwood & look at thier young players thrive. He gets a kick out of it because some of them youngsters are ones he blooded into the AFL.
Is great with young footballers & his success rate is very high just look at the group coached under him who are forcing thier names in AFL as top players
His football knowledge & backing would make him a great choice of senior coach in todays football. He is held in very high regard & has always had nice women  dont get jealous Jamie
l would love to see Paul Hudson the coach of Richmond because l know he can coach & l know he could place a gameplan to attack todays current game which Wallace & his assistants have no idea
His has coached at several levels & been successful. He will become a top AFL coach & Richmond would be a great chance for him & it would not cost us a huge salary
He has more options than Wayne Campbell who needs to take responsiblitiy of coaching a side by himself at a quality level of football. A good start would be at TAC
Royal needs to go coach Bainsdale, Mcrae needs to go back to Brisbane to be with his mate, King he may well just go play with Laidley & the rest can just plain FO

[Tigermonk]

oh & l nearly forgot Monkhorst, you mate need to get back to the building trade & work some of that fat off cause our Ruckmen aint learning nothing beating a old fatcat like you around. What sort of example is that when you got unfit people around the club. l'm suprised whats going on down there 

[Francois Jackson]

I like how March and the board are playing this.

Only way Wallet leaves this year is if he walks.

After the review, the club simply has to announce that we are on the lookout for a new coach for next season.

Can't see any value whatsoever in punting him before his time is up. Just further taints the club and scares off potential candidates with the possibility of scrounging an extra win or two under a caretaker.

Wallet made the bed, if he wants to lie in it that's his problem.

In the meantime the hunt for his replacement is on.

so do i???

im not sure if i want a new coach till at least round 20 now, unless its a handshake agreement like Ratts and the Blues??

Play the kids, honourable losses type arrangement but im not convinced thats going to happen.

we need to finish bottom 2, our season is over

[big tone]

Troy Simmons- been good for us but was drafted for the there and then not the future. We would be in better shape now in the ruck stocks if we had of drafted a good young kid in stead.

Not sure why you'd put Simmonds on your list because getting him was a list management masterstroke.
He was effectively a straight swap for Fiora. Simmonds in, Fiora out. No draft picks involved so a good young kid couldn't have been drafted instead.
His reported salary was very reasonable.
He was signed for 5 years, so he was filling a need there and then and the future.

Don't get me wrong FF, i think he has been really good for us BUT it did state in my post 'draft or trade'. Troy is in his last, maybe second last year with us so if what TW says is what he means he expected us to be playing finals this year and beyond. And where will Troy be then i ask you?
A swap for a kid or a draft choice for Fiora may see us with a ruckmen having done his learning with us and playing good footy NOW and for years to come.

[big tone]

It is easy for some to sit on your hands and just wish things to get better but it takes the stoing to do something about it. I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue.

big tone - I know and appreciate that we will never agree on this topic and that's fine

But I have to say again and I posted the same thing 3 weeks ago the easiest thing in the world for the RFC to do is sack the coach.

The toughest thing in the world for them to do is honour that contract and more importantly honour what they (the Club) have been saying they are going to do for the last 6 months.

We have supporters baying for blood and looking for a scapegoat, the media just waiting for the club to implode and the entire footy world watching waiting for us to screw up

Sacking the coach is not going to fix the inherent problems at the RFC, it will patch over the cracks make us look like an absolute basket case.

I have no doubt it make some people feel really good for a short period of time until it all goes pear shaped again and then we will go through same thing again.

I suppose when it's all said and done it is a question of what you see as being strong.

You say "I only hope the RFC is stong enough not to just sit back and let this continue" and that's your right and I understand your view

To me sacking the coach isn't necessarily strong it (in some cases) simply becomes a buckling to the pressure being exerted by a variety of groups some of which have no right to have any say in the situation   

For mine being strong is sometimes by its very nature making the unpopular decisions

As I said we will just have to agree to disagree as I know you wont change your view and I am not going to change mine 

I respect what you say WP but you are wrong!!!!
Forget about the scapegoat, media, club imploding, baying for blood cliche' CRAP!!!!!
The RFC should do what is best for the RFC and that is not to stand by and let what is happening happen.
You say the entire footy world are watching and waiting for us to screw up, i hate to break it to you WP but to late!
Take away the fact it is footy for a minute and picture it as your own business, would you honour a contract of a manager who has clearly failed and will not be with you next year? I hope not- that is why people get walked out the door when they discide to leave a company or get SACKED!!!
So i will say it again, i hope the Tigers are strong enough to make the RIGHT call.

[Infamy]

I respect what you say WP but you are wrong!!!!

He's not wrong, we're not dealing in fact here
Merely a difference of opinion

[big tone]

I respect what you say WP but you are wrong!!!!

He's not wrong, we're not dealing in fact here
Merely a difference of opinion

What have i said that's not fact?
Terry has failed???
What is happening is ruining our brand???
The RFC should do what is best for the RFC???
Enlighten me Infamy!!!...

[gtig]

would you sack your employee if there was no-one currently available who was any better to replace him with?
you'd just damage the brand further if you drove potential candidates away.
if a better option appears then sure, take it. but where is it? who is this mysterious supercoach waiting in the shadows to take over?

[Hellenic Tiger]

would you sack your employee if there was no-one currently available who was any better to replace him with?
you'd just damage the brand further if you drove potential candidates away.
if a better option appears then sure, take it. but where is it? who is this mysterious supercoach waiting in the shadows to take over?

It almost seems that the club has stigmatised itself for what has occurred over the last 25 years and the only candidate we will lure to coach will either be one of 3 candidates. Anyway we know Terry's fate we just don't know when so here is our future coach, one of these 4 candidates.

Candidate a) The new young coach who is left after all candidates have been snapped up and other candidates both experienced and inexperienced have made their plans clear that they want nothing to do with us. This one will come from left field. Furthermore this candidate will come with few credentialls and will be seen with misapprehension from the supporters.Will be catastrophic for the club. Result Wayne Campbell.

Candidate b) The expreienced coach who has been there and done that. Was a legend in his last job and has been at the top. Sees it as his last chance to ride the gravy train to success and will use his legendary name to get himself by. May or may not be good for the club based on their age and whether they actually have the passion for coaching. Being out of coaching for a while and being in the media may make it difficult for them to re adjust to the professionalism that comes with coaching. Ala the Malcolm Blight type of scenario.At the end of his tenure results may go either way. Result Kevin Sheedy or Leigh Matthews

Candidate c) The well travelled and eloquent coach who has plenty of experience and will hopefully relish the challenge that coaching the RFC will pose. Will take his job seriously. Knows how to get the most out of his team and keep it competitive.
Success may follow but universal respect through hard work and competitveness will be attained first. Result Mick Malthouse.