Is it just me?

[Go Richo 12]

Just wondering if it is just me that feels embarrassed at the moment?
Not due to our performance but.........
The way we squabble among ourselves like children?
The way we want to sack anyone that has ever stepped inside a coaches box?
The way we yell at players during and after a game that they are weak when in all likelihood most have never played a game of competitive football?
 The way we all felt that Cousins was a great fit for the club yet now want him gone?
The way we criticise club legends like Joel Bowden?
The way we all seem to think that future coaching prospects are this and that and yet, in reality, we wouldnt have a clue?
The way we pay out on our fitness staff when a 30 year and 34 year old player goes down with a hammy when they have had a history of hammy problems?

[Francois Jackson]

Just wondering if it is just me that feels embarrassed at the moment?
Not due to our performance but.........
The way we squabble among ourselves like children?
The way we want to sack anyone that has ever stepped inside a coaches box?
The way we yell at players during and after a game that they are weak when in all likelihood most have never played a game of competitive football?
 The way we all felt that Cousins was a great fit for the club yet now want him gone?
The way we criticise club legends like Joel Bowden?
The way we all seem to think that future coaching prospects are this and that and yet, in reality, we wouldnt have a clue?
The way we pay out on our fitness staff when a 30 year and 34 year old player goes down with a hammy when they have had a history of hammy problems?

no not me mate. Perhaps Infamous and Bliasee but not over here champ.

Its an open forum so everyone can have their say.

I will never critisise the club for having a go and getting Cuz. The way it was handled was a bit embarrassing but he has been good for us and not to mention payed his own wage through memberships and marketing.

The fitness staff debate perhaps went a bit over board because really soft tissue injuries have virtually been non existent at our club so if they were that bad then our players would be off the field a lot, which they aren't. In saying that if Richo doesn't return then they should be all shot in the head.

My big beef as you know is with Wallace. He coaches for Terry and only now is he starting to realise his mistakes.

It kills me when i see teams like Blues, Hawks, Dogs, Pies smashing it at the moment while we enter into another rebuilding phase. Its a phase which could have been avoided.
Schulz should have been traded as should have JON, Howat, Meyer for draft picks. Everyone knew that were crap yet we kept them till we got nothing in return.

We could have entered that 2004 draft with 7 picks inside 30 instead of the 5 which we got mostly wrong.

Kingsley, Mcmahon, Bowden among many bad decisions

Its these choices which have destroyed our hopes of finals again. The cancer at our club is the recruiting, development and a coach who directs circle work on the field.

We get that right and we will play finals.

[Chuck17]

Not really GR12.

As Daniel said it is an open forum and everyone is entitled to their view and to express it as they want.

I dont think we are any worse than supporters of other teams (or any better), we are all just passionate footy fans expressing in our natural way (and some unnatural ways  ).

[Hellenic Tiger]

I'm no longer embarassed to be honest. Maybe at times 5-10 years ago was the time when I felt most embarassed when it came to our results.

I don't know how old other forumites are and how long they have supported the Tigs but I am at the stage where I will still will buy my membership year in and year out and indoctrinate the Tigers into my kids and hope they jump on board with some coaxing and manipulation as well as buying them a membership and go to games on a week to week basis but from my personal perspective and the same applies with 1 of my mates as there are four of us who have been friends from primary school and lifelong tiger fans who go to the footy together that we simply accept what is hapenning and we are expressionless and passionless about what is going on. We feel pain hurt and anger but its all surpressed and we accept it, whereas years ago we would have been vocal at the ground or during the game now we just stay silent or laugh amongst ourselves at what we are seeing. I remember train trips home post match from Jolimont with post mortems and ideas for the future now we just talk about work gambling sex food other mutual mates and other footy teams. It helps us cope. It really is difficult to support the Tigers and support them for a long time as an adult with no success.

I reckon we all come here and we all have a b1tch about our predicament as a club and because we are all so passionate and we all at some point in time have believed to either know the solution to our improvement whether intimately or superficially we have a go at each other. This is because we are at our wits end regarding our lack of success and how we change that. Furthermore we all think we are right and we all have the teams success in the forefront of our mind. Essentially we are different but not really that different because of this. We all handle the situation differently whether at the ground or not and psychologically for all of us to a degree, perhaps the alias of a forum can perhaps bring out the best/worst in all of us where once upon a time this was the case at the ground and where now decorum generally prevails in the company of women and kids.

I know we are all really hurting and are embarrased but we are also envious of mates who follow the Cats or the Hawks or any other team that has had success while we have wallowed in mediocrity. That does not help either because reality is simple and final and it not only hurts but cuts through you also with no real comeback of any substance and intelligence bar a threatening or swear type of response. Sometimes you feel its personal depending on what your life situation is but you do know that its just supporters barracking for their sides and expressing their vitriol for our failure. I just sometimes don't want to talk to people on Monday at work especially after most weekends but the nature of my job means I can't and in the workplace I just wear it and give it back when I can. All I know is that one day all the receipts I have written to some people in this world regarding footy matters will be paid out with interest of course. I hope I am alive to see it and dish out some retribution Tiger style.

[mat073]

Good thread Go Richo 12

For me at the moment I just feel like I have gone through one "false Dawn" too many that has left me feeling very flat.I had such high hopes for 2009 and now feel rather foolish for believing we were on the right path with Terry.

The final straw was the loss to Brisbane on Saturday.To me it proved not much has changed since the round 1 debacle and I have simply run out of excuses for Wallace and most of the playing list.

Sometimes you just have to question why have we been so bad for so long....I think some criticism of senior players is warrented.Failed coaches Walls,Gieschen,Frawley and Wallace all have players like Richo and Joel Bowden in common.

I do agree about all the squabbling and slanging matches....but internet forums are a healthy way to express ones fustrations-better than taking it out on the wife/kids/family dog.I try not to write anything after a loss....but usually cant help myself.

Now that reality has sunk in Im already excited about the tigers in 2010....a new coach and hopefully the start of the new successful Richmond FC.

There are a lot more things in this world to be embarrassed by other than being a Richmond supporter.Yesterday I challenged my wife to a 3.5 km run and she flogged me.She is now telling everyone we know......thats embarrassing.

[big tone]

I'm no longer embarassed to be honest. Maybe at times 5-10 years ago was the time when I felt most embarassed when it came to our results.

I don't know how old other forumites are and how long they have supported the Tigs but I am at the stage where I will still will buy my membership year in and year out and indoctrinate the Tigers into my kids and hope they jump on board with some coaxing and manipulation as well as buying them a membership and go to games on a week to week basis but from my personal perspective and the same applies with 1 of my mates as there are four of us who have been friends from primary school and lifelong tiger fans who go to the footy together that we simply accept what is hapenning and we are expressionless and passionless about what is going on. We feel pain hurt and anger but its all surpressed and we accept it, whereas years ago we would have been vocal at the ground or during the game now we just stay silent or laugh amongst ourselves at what we are seeing. I remember train trips home post match from Jolimont with post mortems and ideas for the future now we just talk about work gambling sex food other mutual mates and other footy teams. It helps us cope. It really is difficult to support the Tigers and support them for a long time as an adult with no success.

I reckon we all come here and we all have a b1tch about our predicament as a club and because we are all so passionate and we all at some point in time have believed to either know the solution to our improvement whether intimately or superficially we have a go at each other. This is because we are at our wits end regarding our lack of success and how we change that. Furthermore we all think we are right and we all have the teams success in the forefront of our mind. Essentially we are different but not really that different because of this. We all handle the situation differently whether at the ground or not and psychologically for all of us to a degree, perhaps the alias of a forum can perhaps bring out the best/worst in all of us where once upon a time this was the case at the ground and where now decorum generally prevails in the company of women and kids.

I know we are all really hurting and are embarrased but we are also envious of mates who follow the Cats or the Hawks or any other team that has had success while we have wallowed in mediocrity. That does not help either because reality is simple and final and it not only hurts but cuts through you also with no real comeback of any substance and intelligence bar a threatening or swear type of response. Sometimes you feel its personal depending on what your life situation is but you do know that its just supporters barracking for their sides and expressing their vitriol for our failure. I just sometimes don't want to talk to people on Monday at work especially after most weekends but the nature of my job means I can't and in the workplace I just wear it and give it back when I can. All I know is that one day all the receipts I have written to some people in this world regarding footy matters will be paid out with interest of course. I hope I am alive to see it and dish out some retribution Tiger style.

Really well said Tuckerbag and myself and two mates are in the same boat. Brainwashing the kids has got to be some kind of abuse. 
Our time will come. 

[Go Richo 12]

I'll admit that i got caught up in the pre season optimism. I stopped playing football this year so i could get down and watch what i thought would be an exciting season. I also love this forum for a bit of self therapy. It gets bad when your mates stop ragging about losing and actually start to feel sorry for the Tigers!

[TigerTime]

this squabble from what i have read has been going on for years

thats what happens when ppl have difference of oppinion and everyone wants to be right.

about the rfc i used to be embarrassed about our club, now i i just laugh