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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #135 on: August 03, 2009, 07:53:20 AM »
Wallace had lost the players, its not that hard for Rawlings to have achieved some limited improvement in some players as a result. Rawlings has never been in a successful premiership environment and thats a real issue for him going forward. He should go back to the VFL or go to the WAFL or SANFL and coach a couple of flags so he can show that he can achieve a flag. Richmond should not be an experiment for a coach who hasnt achieved success in the past.

Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it



Totally agree :thumbsup
Only proviso would be , we need someome with very strong character, otherwise the best coach mighten work out either, as the past 25 years has indicated

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #136 on: August 03, 2009, 07:58:05 AM »

Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it


Agree WP.

We are definitely running on a lot of emotion and enthusiasm and players who have been liberated by Plough's dismissal. Caretakers do this.

We need a coach who in 3 years will have us thrashing poor teams and being competitive - ultra competitve - with the best teams in the competition. He needs to be able to build a list, build a mentality and build a gameplan.

Rawlings is doing everything asked of him but I'm not sure if we know any more about whether he will ultimately be the best man to lead us to real success.

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #137 on: August 03, 2009, 08:40:24 AM »
http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/07/23/86681_geelong_sports.html

GOOD ARTICLE HERE:


IF I was in Nathan Buckley's shoes next year I would pick North Melbourne over the Tigers as my coaching destination.

It's fair to say whoever is the next coach of Richmond has a fair task on their hands.

The club has a serious losing culture and it's going to take a strong personality with a lot of guts to turn it around.

If Buckley was to go to the Tigers, he has to get in there and make a serious statement.

As much as I'm likely to be lynched for this next time I'm on Swan Street, he should look at cutting Richo.

Come in and say, "You've been a beauty mate but it's time to step aside and give some kids a crack who might be around for 10 or 12 years."

Maybe you cut everyone on the list over 28 years of age.

Whatever it is it needs to be drastic.

I'd like to compare two recent examples of different coaches heading to interstate clubs with questionable cultures.

Malcolm Blight went to Adelaide and said, 'You're out' to club champions Andrew Jarman, Tony McGuinness and Chris McDermott, and started afresh.

His two premierships speak for themselves.

Knowing Mark Harvey as well as I do, I could probably say he didn't go about it the right way at Fremantle.

He did inherit an aging list, a list with a really poor culture, but he didn't help himself when he took a few extra mature age recruits in his first season in charge.

To turn a culture you really need to wield the axe.

And not just among the playing list.

You'd need to look at the board-room, the assistant coaches, the physios.

Bucks would have to come in and go whack.

Then he'd have to worry about whether he's sacked the right people, whether he's brought the right people with him, does he have everyone's faith, do the ex-players like him, will the media give him a fair go.

I hope someone's told him he won't see his missus and kids either.

Maybe it's best for him to take an assistant coaching role somewhere next year to get some extra training while he waits for the right job to pop up.

But back to Richmond.

How do you fix it - the age old question?

What they need is a 40-year-old Lethal Leigh Matthews, someone to walk in with a bit of mongrel in them and tell everyone what's what.

They're starting to put together a bit of a playing list down there.

Richard Tambling has stepped up this year, Brett Deledio is a player, Trent Cotchin will be, Jack Riewoldt's going to be alright but he needs someone to come in and grab him by the jumper and tell him what to do.

About 70 per cent of players on a list need to be told exactly what to do and how to go about it - they appreciate it.

That's why you need a confident, brash coach like Lethal to take charge of the place.

Whoever the club ends up picking as coach I certainly don't think Jade Rawlings is the answer

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #138 on: August 03, 2009, 09:07:58 AM »
Good article Ramps. Sums up my concerns re. Rawlings. No problem if the board are wise to this and confident he can be a tough taskmaster, but it may not be his natural go.

When did we last have a tough bastard at the helm?


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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #139 on: August 03, 2009, 10:24:05 AM »


Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!

Read what you just wrote & think what you said Go Richo

infact its a old player in Ben Cousin controlling the game every week setting up the younger players cause there to dumb to grasp that you must run hard & win the ball. tell me 1 young player who runs hard like old Cousins

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #140 on: August 03, 2009, 11:21:50 AM »
Good article Ramps. Sums up my concerns re. Rawlings. No problem if the board are wise to this and confident he can be a tough taskmaster, but it may not be his natural go.

When did we last have a tough bastard at the helm?



The bit about needing a 40yo Leigh Matthews type is exactly spot on. And from the list of candidates it seems to me that Damien Hardwick is the closest you can get in terms of personality and hardness. The fact that he has seen success everywhere is also very compelling.
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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #141 on: August 03, 2009, 11:35:21 AM »
i cant believe SOME of you are touching yourself over a few cheap wins against the most useless teams in the comp.

hahahahahaha LMAO

i personally have learnt not to get excited about anything and after watching a few highlights on the net i am more convinced than ever.

IF RAWLINGS GETS THE JOB WE ARE stuffed FOR THE NEXT 2/3 YEARS

he is a glorified version of Wallace. what we are 12th in Tackles and Wallet was 9th.

he has done nothing and is playing players like Mcmahon, Patterson and Hislop which says to me he has NFI

its a shame we dont play anyone inside the top 8(Saints aside and look how that ended up) because i can guarantee they will smash us especially the top 4 then maybe then everyone can see we have not improved one little bit under him



Daniel, you are twisting words to suit your own agenda again! I am basing my thoughts on the progress of the younger players not win/loss ratio! Wins do wallpaper over cracks, i agree, but for the first time in recent history it seems to be the younger players who are influencing the game not the older ones! That must be good!

no of course your not using win/loss rational thats whay you brought up Geesch win/loss ratio when he was coach

as i said no idea.

watch the saints game again pal and see how the younger players responded to jade's game plan that day.

we snatched a game against the dees after the siren and your touching yourself over Jade.

he is another Wallace, albeit a younger one.

when i start seeing improved kicking and our club lead the tackle count come back to me.

in the mean time keep touching yourself over Jade.
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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #142 on: August 03, 2009, 11:37:06 AM »
Wallace had lost the players, its not that hard for Rawlings to have achieved some limited improvement in some players as a result. Rawlings has never been in a successful premiership environment and thats a real issue for him going forward. He should go back to the VFL or go to the WAFL or SANFL and coach a couple of flags so he can show that he can achieve a flag. Richmond should not be an experiment for a coach who hasnt achieved success in the past.

Actually what Richmond should do is actually give the job to the best person and if that happens to Jade Rawlings so be it



i agree WP but the problem is the job is Jade's.

the club always does this and gets excited over nothing.

they will do it again im affraid
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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #143 on: August 03, 2009, 11:52:00 AM »


The bit about needing a 40yo Leigh Matthews type is exactly spot on. And from the list of candidates it seems to me that Damien Hardwick is the closest you can get in terms of personality and hardness. The fact that he has seen success everywhere is also very compelling.
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oh yeah and tell us about Hardwicks personality and fill us in why ESS that would have known a tad better than you overlooked him in favour of Knights...It's about callibre and ability to manage 50 people not this mumbo jumbo about hardness...it aint 1942 follow the lead of Hawthorn and ESS and appoint the most outstanding candidate ,the whole time ignoring the neanderthel view that good coaches need to be premeirship hero knuckle dragging bloickheads...the footy graveyard is full of them already :o
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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #144 on: August 03, 2009, 12:04:55 PM »
With regards to the good article provided by Ramps...

"to turn a culture you really need to wield the axe"

Correct me if Im wrong but didn't "Jade the blade" take almost 800 games experience out of the side when he took over.

I suggest that John Barnes should do some more research

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #145 on: August 03, 2009, 12:19:39 PM »


The bit about needing a 40yo Leigh Matthews type is exactly spot on. And from the list of candidates it seems to me that Damien Hardwick is the closest you can get in terms of personality and hardness. The fact that he has seen success everywhere is also very compelling.

oh yeah and tell us about Hardwicks personality and fill us in why ESS that would have known a tad better than you overlooked him in favour of Knights...It's about callibre and ability to manage 50 people not this mumbo jumbo about hardness...it aint 1942 follow the lead of Hawthorn and ESS and appoint the most outstanding candidate ,the whole time ignoring the neanderthel view that good coaches need to be premeirship hero knuckle dragging bloickheads...the footy graveyard is full of them already :o
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Hardwicks CV says it all. Premiership player at Essendon, Premiership Player at Port Adelaide. Premiership Assistant Coach Port Adelaide, Premiership Assistant Coach Hawthorn. Knights got the job coz he told the Essendon board that they had a good list and could make the 8. Also Port Adelaide seem happy to offer Hardwick there coaching job after Williams finishes.

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #146 on: August 03, 2009, 01:14:36 PM »
i agree WP but the problem is the job is Jade's.

the club always does this and gets excited over nothing.

they will do it again im affraid

But daniel maybe he might actually be the best person for the job... if the process (gawd I hate that term  ;D) deems he is then he is....

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #147 on: August 03, 2009, 01:23:20 PM »
Hardwicks CV says it all. Premiership player at Essendon, Premiership Player at Port Adelaide. Premiership Assistant Coach Port Adelaide, Premiership Assistant Coach Hawthorn. Knights got the job coz he told the Essendon board that they had a good list and could make the 8. Also Port Adelaide seem happy to offer Hardwick there coaching job after Williams finishes.

I am not sure his CV say it all Ramps. The premiership player bit cannot be disputed however there are still a number of question regarding his assistant coaching CV - need to know a bit more than he was an assistant coach at these clubs

What I'd like to know and I would hope as part of the "process" the RFC finds out is:

* what were/is his exact roles at Port and now Hawthorn - mid field, backs or forwards? What did he do in those roles - e.g conduct training sessions, his strategies etc

* What exposure has he had with player development - has he had any involvement in that area which is actually quite seperate to being an assistant

I suppose the biggest difference between you and me is that you want someone who has been in successful environments, where as I don't think that is as important as getting the absolute right person for this footy club.

I keep coming back to Paul Roos - he is an outstanding coach but if the Swans applied your criteria he wouldn't have got the gig and wouldn't be there today and I doubt very much they would have won that premiership
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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #148 on: August 03, 2009, 02:41:19 PM »
You make some good points WP and I agree that the best person should get the job BUT everything I have seen points to Hardwick being something special.

When Kighter got the Essendon job it was only by a whisker and that he had a more positive opinion  of the Essendon list, he also was the assistant coach at the club.

Since then Hardwick has won a flag at Hawthorn and I believe from what I have heard there are some similarities to how he went about it and 1980 with Sheeds.

Rawlings has done all the right things so far but there is a suggestion that its not just not Jade but the relief of TW moved on that is assisting the club at the moment. Rawlings has not had to deal with the tough times yet and might still be very good but I still like the experience, hardness and hunger for success that Harwick would bring. If Hardwick got the job I would love to see Rawlings get the Coburg job back though.

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Re: Rawlings must get the job next year
« Reply #149 on: August 03, 2009, 06:04:17 PM »

When Knighter got the Essendon job it was only by a whisker and that he had a more positive opinion  of the Essendon list, he also was the assistant coach at the club.


Can someone please direct me to the media article(s) that reported this urban myth?  I have only ever seen this repeated ad nauseum in football forums and I have to say - I have a healthy reticence to believe anything that is not substantiated in any other way.