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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #300 on: October 10, 2009, 10:12:11 AM »
Now that the trading is done I thought it would be interesting to have a look at some stats to do with draft picks in recent years.  Here is a table with the top 30 draft picks over the last 10 years showing each pick, the highest games played for that pick, the lowest games played for that pick, the average games played for that pick and the percentage of that pick still currently playing:

1   191   3   109.4   100
2   188   5   91.6   100
3   178   22   88.7   90
4   213   1   68.1   80
5   203   1   80.6   80
6   94   2   39   80
7   117   1   58.1   80
8   199   6   60   80
9   113   0   39.3   70
10   151   0   59.7   80
11   188   10   56.4   80
12   157   0   58.3   90
13   168   0   92.1   100
14   149   0   45.7   70
15   116   0   38.8   70
16   155   0   53.9   80
17   147   0   30.4   60
18   166   0   44   70
19   198   0   64.9   80
20   184   0   59.9   80
21   124   0   40.9   60
22   102   0   24.6   60
23   176   10   40.9   70
24   161   13   66.9   90
25   92   3   31.9   40
26   90   1   32   50
27   119   0   28.3   70
28   172   0   30   60
29   151   1   57.8   80
30   184   0   49.2   70

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Dissecting the draft (Age)
« Reply #301 on: October 11, 2009, 06:35:03 AM »
Dissecting the draft
Emma Quayle | October 11, 2009

With the trade period over, next on the AFL agenda is the national draft. Emma Quayle looks at the key questions surrounding this year's talent pool.

So, is this year's draft really as bad as everyone has been saying?

''Yes'', was how one recruiting manager answered that question. ''It's mediocre,'' said another, and that seems a popular line of thinking. Each draft has ''layers'' of talent, and the very top layer this year is a small one. Where last year there were, say, 15 players any recruiter would have happily picked, this year some are nominating as few as four. Others say it's more like six, eight or 10. What happens? The consensus is, it evens out quickly, that you don't really want to be picking after 50 and that there are fewer certain prospects. ''It flatlines after 10,'' said a recruiter. ''That doesn't mean there aren't any reasonable players there, but there aren't any absolute guarantees, and everyone's list will be different. Someone's No. 11 will be someone else's 30.'' Said another: ''After 10, you could throw a blanket over 30 of them.'' Because the group is considered so even, this may be a draft where ''needs'' come into play with picks as early as the teens. Adding to that is that Melbourne and the Power will share so many early picks [they share seven of the first 18]. They might pick someone ahead of time with the last of their picks. It's a weird situation: the Port team's day will be done before Geelong starts at pick 17.

Why is there no depth?

The 17-year-olds have been removed - and they generally comprise about a third of any draft. One recruiter suspects 20 would have been drafted this year. Plus, many of those 17-year-olds - the best of whom have been signed by the Gold Coast - are very, very good players. At least three - Josh Toy, Maverick Weller and Luke Russell, plus possibly Trent McKenzie and one or two more - would have been first-round picks if they were in this year's draft. Toy would have pushed for top three. ''We'd be talking about what an amazingly good first round we had if those players were in it,'' said one recruiter. This draft could see a really low number of players chosen, and it's hard to see anyone taking more than their mandatory three picks [aside from perhaps Melbourne, Essendon, Fremantle and Richmond, the first two having loaded up with top 30 picks] and possibly Geelong, which needs to bring in kids. For the first time this season, clubs can use one of those three picks to upgrade a rookie, and I suspect quite a few will take this option. We could only have 50-something fresh players drafted.

Who are the really good players?

Tom Scully and Jack Trengove seem, at this point, likely to be wearing Melbourne jumpers next year. All going well, they will play round one. Midfielders Dustin Martin and Ben Cunnington are in the top group, as is Anthony Morabito, a 190-centimetre wingman from Western Australia. They seem the distinct top five at this early stage. That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something.

Who are the best onballers?

The run-all-day Scully and the equally complete Trengove, but unless you're a Demon fan don't get too excited. People in Adelaide have been comparing Trengove's SANFL season - he had 30 possessions and took a match-saving mark in the preliminary final, then had 20 touches in Sturt's losing grand final team - with those of Bryce Gibbs and Nathan Buckley. I'm not sure everyone would agree, but there are little bits of his game - his floating marks - that remind me of James Hird, although Trengove is probably a more traditional midfielder. Martin has explosive speed [confirmed at the recent draft camp] and beautiful foot skills. Cunnington would almost kill someone to get to the ball, and can go forward; he and Trengove are probably the best marks in the midfield group. The top 10 picks will be dominated by midfielders, with Gary Rohan [maybe a mid, maybe a half-forward or half-back], Jake Melksham, Kane Lucas, Jordan Gysberts and Luke Tapscott names you will hear more of.

How about the talls?

There aren't very many of them. There aren't many really tall players, for a start; in fact, you might see a few ruckmen drafted out of state leagues or kept on lists when they might otherwise have been delisted. John Butcher seems clearly the best key-position prospect, but the thinking with the rest seems to be that while many have exciting qualities or attributes, none look like complete packages. They will need development, wherever they go. Jake Carlisle and Daniel Talia look like first-rounders - both can play forward or back, although some recruiters will tell you they only like Carlisle as a forward and others will tell you he's better down back. Gippsland ruckman Nathan Vardy might be in there somewhere, but again, he has shown mostly glimpses. ''He can jump, he can mark, he's got good technique,'' said one recruiter. ''But has hasn't shown it consistently. It's the same story with all of them. Norwood forward Matthew Panos may come into the mix in the 20s [earlier, should the Demons or Port pick him] and he's not a flashy or an aggressive player, but he takes marks, kicks goals and from all reports will lap up an AFL environment. David Astbury [North Ballarat] will fit in there somewhere, too. Aaron Black has burst onto the West Australian scene late but seems more of a tall utility than a true key-position player. James Craig shapes as the best ruck prospect, but he's only 195 centimetres. He's got a good leap, which helps, and the way Mitch Clark and Paddy Ryder played this year suggest his height won't matter so much. There is so much for recruiters to consider this year, the talls look like a lottery more than ever before. ''People are going to have completely different ideas about all of them,'' said one recruiter.

What's the deal with John Butcher?

Touted as a top two or three pick at the start of this year, Butcher hasn't had a fantastic year and his stocks seem to have fallen. He is this year's mystery man and no one seems sure where he will fit in at this stage. The critics will say he has a bad kicking action and that his work ethic can vary from game to game. But he is 197 centimetres and is the best contested mark in the draft, surely. He kicks points, but he also kicks goals. His endurance needs work, but he notched a 2.99-second sprint time for 20 metres. Having starred as a 17-year-old, he has been under the microscope for a long time. Butcher impressed in many of his interviews at draft camp and when the dust settles, it's hard to see him reaching the Demons at No. 11. ''He presented really well,'' said one recruiter. ''I watched him really closely in the time trial, I thought he busted a gut and I watched him really closely. I reckon he's right back in the mix.''

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews/dissecting-the-draft/2009/10/10/1255019653282.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #302 on: October 11, 2009, 08:47:00 PM »
Now that the trading is done I thought it would be interesting to have a look at some stats to do with draft picks in recent years.  Here is a table with the top 30 draft picks over the last 10 years showing each pick, the highest games played for that pick, the lowest games played for that pick, the average games played for that pick and the percentage of that pick still currently playing:

1   191   3   109.4   100
2   188   5   91.6   100
3   178   22   88.7   90
4   213   1   68.1   80
5   203   1   80.6   80
6   94   2   39   80
7   117   1   58.1   80
8   199   6   60   80
9   113   0   39.3   70
10   151   0   59.7   80
11   188   10   56.4   80
12   157   0   58.3   90
13   168   0   92.1   100
14   149   0   45.7   70
15   116   0   38.8   70
16   155   0   53.9   80
17   147   0   30.4   60
18   166   0   44   70
19   198   0   64.9   80
20   184   0   59.9   80
21   124   0   40.9   60
22   102   0   24.6   60
23   176   10   40.9   70
24   161   13   66.9   90
25   92   3   31.9   40
26   90   1   32   50
27   119   0   28.3   70
28   172   0   30   60
29   151   1   57.8   80
30   184   0   49.2   70
Is that why the Swans wanted to offload pick 6 lol. Geez for such a high pick it has a fairly lame record. You would've thought pick 7 would have better stats based on who has been selected in recent years. Pick 13 is a lucky number statistically. We got Jack with that pick. The rest seems fairly random.

This also shows how valuable a top 2-3 pick is.
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Re: Dissecting the draft (Age)
« Reply #303 on: October 11, 2009, 08:58:15 PM »
So, is this year's draft really as bad as everyone has been saying?

''Yes'', was how one recruiting manager answered that question. ''It's mediocre,'' said another, and that seems a popular line of thinking. Each draft has ''layers'' of talent, and the very top layer this year is a small one. Where last year there were, say, 15 players any recruiter would have happily picked, this year some are nominating as few as four. Others say it's more like six, eight or 10. What happens? The consensus is, it evens out quickly, that you don't really want to be picking after 50 and that there are fewer certain prospects. ''It flatlines after 10,'' said a recruiter. ''That doesn't mean there aren't any reasonable players there, but there aren't any absolute guarantees, and everyone's list will be different. Someone's No. 11 will be someone else's 30.'' Said another: ''After 10, you could throw a blanket over 30 of them.'' Because the group is considered so even, this may be a draft where ''needs'' come into play with picks as early as the teens.

 This draft could see a really low number of players chosen, and it's hard to see anyone taking more than their mandatory three picks [aside from perhaps Melbourne, Essendon, Fremantle and Richmond, the first two having loaded up with top 30 picks] and possibly Geelong, which needs to bring in kids. For the first time this season, clubs can use one of those three picks to upgrade a rookie, and I suspect quite a few will take this option. We could only have 50-something fresh players drafted.
Good for us if the draft only goes to 50. It means, as said in the other thread, our later picks will be pushed up the draft order :pray.

I think AFL clubs will probably target kids from WA and Vic Country as their clash earlier this year was a high standard. They had depth on their lists. The other U18 teams were thin though. It's yet to be seen how many state league players get picked up.
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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #304 on: October 11, 2009, 09:39:37 PM »
One of the most interesting thing out of the Age article was this

"That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something."

Clearly Sydney want that Morabito kid and know Freo want him too

Kudos to Richmond for keeping pick 3 if it is going to guarantee them the player they want.

Although it would have been nice to have 2 first round picks I think the risk of losing pick 3 was there wasn't a guarantee the player we want will still be there at pick 6...  :clapping
 
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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #305 on: October 11, 2009, 10:16:44 PM »
One of the most interesting thing out of the Age article was this

"That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something."

Clearly Sydney want that Morabito kid and know Freo want him too

Kudos to Richmond for keeping pick 3 if it is going to guarantee them the player they want.

Although it would have been nice to have 2 first round picks I think the risk of losing pick 3 was there wasn't a guarantee the player we want will still be there at pick 6...  :clapping
 
Agree WP. You don't give up a top 3 pick.

I took Sydney offering us that deal and not Freo as meaning they wanted Martin. If they wanted Morabito then they could have offered Freo the swap knowing Scully, Trengove and Martin were going top 3.
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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #306 on: October 12, 2009, 07:25:30 AM »
One of the most interesting thing out of the Age article was this

"That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something."

Clearly Sydney want that Morabito kid and know Freo want him too

Kudos to Richmond for keeping pick 3 if it is going to guarantee them the player they want.

Although it would have been nice to have 2 first round picks I think the risk of losing pick 3 was there wasn't a guarantee the player we want will still be there at pick 6...  :clapping
 
Agree WP. You don't give up a top 3 pick.

I took Sydney offering us that deal and not Freo as meaning they wanted Martin. If they wanted Morabito then they could have offered Freo the swap knowing Scully, Trengove and Martin were going top 3.

I took it to mean that Sydney are concerend we might take Morabito and if we didn't then Freo would
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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #307 on: October 12, 2009, 09:34:42 AM »
One of the most interesting thing out of the Age article was this

"That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something."

Clearly Sydney want that Morabito kid and know Freo want him too

Kudos to Richmond for keeping pick 3 if it is going to guarantee them the player they want.

Although it would have been nice to have 2 first round picks I think the risk of losing pick 3 was there wasn't a guarantee the player we want will still be there at pick 6...  :clapping
 
Agree WP. You don't give up a top 3 pick.

I took Sydney offering us that deal and not Freo as meaning they wanted Martin. If they wanted Morabito then they could have offered Freo the swap knowing Scully, Trengove and Martin were going top 3.

I took it to mean that Sydney are concerend we might take Morabito and if we didn't then Freo would
I see it the other way too WP, word is they want Martin. Certainly fits their type of player too.
Problem for Sydney is they also want Cunnington, who will probably go at Pick 5, unless Rohan is taken instead by North

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #308 on: October 12, 2009, 02:42:31 PM »
One of the most interesting thing out of the Age article was this

"That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something."

Clearly Sydney want that Morabito kid and know Freo want him too

Why would you think Sydney wanted Morabito, not Martin?

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #309 on: October 12, 2009, 11:41:41 PM »
Emma Quayle's potential first rounders (not in order). This might give us an idea who will be left around pick 19.

Tom Scully
Jack Trengove
Dustin Martin
Anthony Morabito
Ben Cunnington
John Butcher
Jake Carlisle
Daniel Talia
Gary Rohan
Jake Melksham
Kane Lucas
Jordan Gysberts
Luke Tapscott
Lewis Jetta
Andrew Moore
Troy Taylor

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #310 on: October 13, 2009, 12:03:39 AM »
So who are the next best that we would ne interested in for our two picks after 19?? Gee one more pick in the first round would........ well you know.... :(
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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #311 on: October 13, 2009, 09:00:19 AM »
"That Sydney offered Richmond draft picks six and 14 for No. 3, but didn't make Fremantle the same offer, tells us something."

Clearly Sydney want that Morabito kid and know Freo want him too

WP, I read that as Sydney didn't want pick 4 because Martin would be gone by pick 3.

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #312 on: October 13, 2009, 09:42:19 AM »
Martin seems like a Sydney type midfielder. So Id think he was the player they wanted.

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #313 on: October 13, 2009, 06:20:18 PM »
Emma Quayle's potential first rounders (not in order). This might give us an idea who will be left around pick 19.

Tom Scully
Jack Trengove
Dustin Martin
Anthony Morabito
Ben Cunnington
John Butcher
Jake Carlisle
Daniel Talia
Gary Rohan
Jake Melksham
Kane Lucas
Jordan Gysberts
Luke Tapscott
Lewis Jetta
Andrew Moore
Troy Taylor

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The first 5 or 6 look like they are in order

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Re: 2009 AFL Draft
« Reply #314 on: October 13, 2009, 08:38:38 PM »

Why would you think Sydney wanted Morabito, not Martin?

because during the draft camp on of the Sydney recruiting people said that Morabito was one they were "looking" at and also I read somewhere that they had interviewed him
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