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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 24, 2010, 05:00:58 AM
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Humble beginnings
GARRY LYON
April 24, 2010
TWO of my colleagues arrived at work recently and recounted stories involving their young football-loving children that got me thinking about the fickle nature of "football fate".
One of the dads bounded in to the office hardly able to contain his delight at the weekend's events. He had taken his six-year-old daughter along to the Melbourne-Adelaide game and he could barely hold back the tears of joy as she belted out the Demons theme song at the final siren for the first time in her young, football-following life. Until then, attending games, losing and driving home with a sullen father was her only experience.
The other dad listened to the story with a wry smile. For his son, too, had a foreign football experience on the very same weekend. This six-year-old was a dyed-in-the-wool Geelong supporter, and having just watched his Cats go down to the Dockers in the dying moments of the game, he stood transfixed and indignant in front of the television, unable to comprehend what had just happened. For him, attending games, winning and driving home with an overjoyed father was his only football experience.
The difference with kids and AFL footballers is that the kids, generally, get to choose the team they barrack for. Sure, there will be pressure, both subtle and more pointed, from the adults in their young lives, as well as their peers, but all in all, if their team sucks, they can change. It might be frowned upon as un-Australian, but it might also beat the prospect of getting teased every Monday morning at school.
The players get no say in it at all. They go where they are told. And it is here that fate comes in to it.
At the grand old age of 20, with just 29 senior games and three goals to his name, Trent Cotchin was handed the unenviable task of captaining the 16th-placed Tigers against Melbourne last weekend. This, just six days after the club had suspended four of its players, including Ben Cousins and two of their more experienced performers, after an unruly 3am incident in a Sydney hotel after a 10-goal defeat.
It was one of the more remarkable stories that came out of the weekend, but it went largely unnoticed. At a time when the Tigers were arguably at their lowest point in recent memory, on the back of three massive beltings, they turned to a man barely 20 years old to lead them into battle.
This should not be seen as a "knock" on Cotchin. I think he's a beauty and will one day assume the position full-time. That he has recently committed long-term to the club, despite reportedly being at the top of the Gold Coast recruiting list, speaks volumes for the character of the young man, and in time he should take his place among football's midfield elite.
But, surely, he could be excused for thinking, in the quiet times, how different things may be had he not found himself as the Tigers' No. 2 pick in the 2007 draft.
One pick earlier and he would now find himself running around with the Blues, with the wonderful, carefree, wide-eyed optimism that every young 20-year-old recruit should be experiencing. Rather than be bundled with the burden of leading his own struggling side, he could look across the dressing room at one of the game's greats, Chris Judd, safe and secure in the knowledge that his major responsibility, as a young man with less than 30 games to his name, was to still work through the challenges and vagaries of the game.
Had Cotchin lasted another three picks, he may have found himself at the Western Bulldogs, where he would fit seamlessly into a midfield of Boyd, Cross, Griffen, Akermanis and Higgins. With Brad Johnson having the captaincy sorted out, Cotchin would benefit enormously by being part of a seasoned and experienced midfield group which has demonstrated a strong desire to both carry, and share the workload. Finals football would be very much on the agenda, and a date with the last day in September (or early October!) would not be out of the question.
What a far cry from the state of play at Punt Road at the moment.
Pleasingly for Tigers supporters, players are more often than not prepared to deal with the hand that is dealt them, and for that they are to be congratulated and commended. But, occasionally, circumstances will conspire that leads to players changing clubs. And given that I was thinking about the role that fate has in determining the direction a player's career may take, in this case Cotchin's, I was also drawn to the example of one of his former teammates.
Andrew Raines played the last 10 games of the 2009 season with Richmond's VFL affiliate Coburg. He couldn't break into a Richmond team that lost seven of those 10 games by an average margin of 51 points.
Raines has played every game with the undefeated Brisbane Lions this year off half-back, and seems to be very much in Michael Voss' plans going forward. As the Tigers glumly eye off a possible wooden spoon, Raines is looking to September action.
Six clubs had the chance to draft Joel Selwood back in the 2006 draft. The reason he didn't end up at Carlton, Essendon, North Melbourne, Brisbane Lions, Port Adelaide or Hawthorn was based purely on a matter of opinion. There was no right or wrong about it at the time. It was just fate. Or luck. Call it what you like.
The fact that he has played 74 games for 64 wins and two premierships would suggest that the football gods were smiling on both Selwood, and Geelong on that day back in November 2006.
Tom Scully and Jack Trengove have received plenty of plaudits in their first four games of AFL football, and rightly so, for they have acquitted themselves very well. The fact that they have arrived at Melbourne at a time when the Demons have enjoyed their best start to a season for many years means they come under notice more often. Their team is displaying signs of relevance again.
But what about Dustin Martin, the next player picked up in the draft by the Tigers? He sits in fourth position on the clearances table. For the whole competition, not just Richmond, one ahead of names such as Ablett, Watson and Cooney. He is eighth for hard-ball gets, one ahead of Luke Hodge and two ahead of Lenny Hayes.
After an initial flurry of interest, not much has been heard of Martin. Those results are magnificent for a first-year player. Had he been playing elsewhere, one suspect's comparisons to a young Joel Selwood would be regularly made.
The fact is Cotchin and Martin are going to have to earn their reputations in a much tougher environment than 90 per cent of the footballers in the competition. They will not have the luxury of flying under the radar; of benefiting from teammates who attract most of the opposition attention; of fattening their statistics in the process of massacring an opposition; of taking some liberties and occasionally sneaking ahead of the footy in the knowledge that their mates will win the ball; of luxuriating in an environment such as the one that exists at Geelong right now, where sowing the seeds of doubt in the minds of the opposition starts before a ball is bounced.
No, fate says they will have to work for everything they get in football in the coming years. It is the ultimate challenge in football. Not really knowing where your next win is coming from, but persevering nonetheless, never compromising your standards in the face of such adversity.
For the reality is, they don't get to choose their football club. The football club chooses them, and that can sometimes be a harsh reality to deal with.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/humble-beginnings-20100423-tjh2.html
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
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I'm convinced that some of these so called journalists write articles and then go looking at internet forums just to see what reaction they have stirred up. Pretty pathetic really.
What do you reckon Gary?
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Yeah, I get it Gary, we all get it,"Boy it must suck to be drafted by Richmond." We ought to get it by now. It's all we've been hearing from the media for the past twenty eight years.
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
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why is it when the dees were down and out and the saints , the media didnt hammer them down further
ffs anyone would rather play for rfc than mebourne regardless where we are at right now
ask tom scully
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when you think Roos was happy to trade Jetta & Rohan for Martin it is a feather in the lads cap
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
we are going to win 2 or 3 flags in the next 10 years according to Mr Gale :shh
in front of 75k Richmond members at the G
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Show the boys the third quarter against the Dons in the 95 finals.
That's something to strive for.
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See how funny it is when Scully asks for a trade to Richmond Garry you great big wanker.
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
We will be winning and that's why the crowds will be huge. As for the Dogs, they'll be losing half a dozen players in the next 2 years. Most of last nights forward line will be retired 8)
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Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
But they're not.
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probably somes up why boofhead footballers make ordinary scribes, what a nuff nuff article that makes a mockery of the very essence of the draft. The way I understood it the bottom clubs had first dibs on the talent coming through as they built toward a competitive outfit...How did those selected for the Blues as r1 selections fair in first season or two, any different. An extremely poor simple minded article, writtten by a short sighted ex footballer that was too scared and greedy to try his hand at coaching.
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
we are going to win 2 or 3 flags in the next 10 years according to Mr Gale :shh
in front of 75k Richmond members at the G
Wouldnt think so.
Especially when the draft is stuffed for the next period of time due to GC and GWS.
And we have a list of duds,
Good luck,
Should of beena 20 year plan, but some of us will be dead by then
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
we are going to win 2 or 3 flags in the next 10 years according to Mr Gale :shh
in front of 75k Richmond members at the G
Wouldnt think so.
Especially when the draft is stuffed for the next period of time due to GC and GWS.
And we have a list of duds,
Good luck,
Should of beena 20 year plan, but some of us will be dead by then
You're the last person I'd speak to in regards to our list and future. You really don't know our list very well and you're just another ultra negative tiger fan who's brainwashed from the last 28 years with only 2 finals series to show
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
we are going to win 2 or 3 flags in the next 10 years according to Mr Gale :shh
in front of 75k Richmond members at the G
Wouldnt think so.
Especially when the draft is stuffed for the next period of time due to GC and GWS.
And we have a list of duds,
Good luck,
Should of beena 20 year plan, but some of us will be dead by then
You're the last person I'd speak to in regards to our list and future. You really don't know our list very well and you're just another ultra negative tiger fan who's brainwashed from the last 28 years with only 2 finals series to show
Your funny, I dont know our list ???
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin.
Little do you know !
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why bother Lyon? 8)
Why write an article Cotchin and Martin being better off at another club?
Well sorry, but they would be.
Thats reality.
Imagine if both were at Brisbane or the Bulldogs
Better off for the next 1-2 years, but worse off for the following 10 years. Missing out on playing in front of huge crowds at the G every week in the future compared to decent crowds. No they would not be better off at another club 8)
Why would they be worse off for the following 10 years, seeing its a National Comp :banghead
Huge crowds at the G :banghead Pointless if you cant win a game
we are going to win 2 or 3 flags in the next 10 years according to Mr Gale :shh
in front of 75k Richmond members at the G
Wouldnt think so.
Especially when the draft is stuffed for the next period of time due to GC and GWS.
And we have a list of duds,
Good luck,
Should of beena 20 year plan, but some of us will be dead by then
You're the last person I'd speak to in regards to our list and future. You really don't know our list very well and you're just another ultra negative tiger fan who's brainwashed from the last 28 years with only 2 finals series to show
Your funny, I dont know our list ???
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin.
Little do you know !
a list full of duds with another 10 years of pain according to you ;)
As of the December this year our list should be almost completely dud free and there will be 3 or 4 players you have written off who will shut you up :-X
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
Well that's a good starting point
And seeing as we're starting again, a good position to begin with
Stop being so negative, Jack, about every effing thing :banghead
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jack wouldnt know jack about anything...what I can tell you straight from the horses mouth is that this years trade period will be at unprecedented levels as clubs look to weather the next two years. If that means a step up from the likes of Burgouyne, Jolly, Bradshaw, Hall, Fevola, Seaby, McGlynn then we will be in a commanding position to either fuel the frenzy by trading for picks or leverage our likely bottom placed position. we couldnt possibly be better placed :thumbsup :gotigers :thumbsup
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
lol. Hilarious. We might as well delist the other 32 then. Pathetic call. 8)
If you followed any other team who had a young list like ours you'd be exactly the same only to realise that at least 30 of those players had a future
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
lol. Hilarious. We might as well delist the other 32 then. Pathetic call. 8)
If you followed any other team who had a young list like ours you'd be exactly the same only to realise that at least 30 of those players had a future
Alright GENIUS.
Your thoughts on the players of the future.
This should be fun.
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
lol. Hilarious. We might as well delist the other 32 then. Pathetic call. 8)
If you followed any other team who had a young list like ours you'd be exactly the same only to realise that at least 30 of those players had a future
Alright GENIUS.
Your thoughts on the players of the future.
This should be fun.
well almost half ourr list aint played a game yet, your thoughts on them einstein, this'll be good :lol
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And Hodge and Mitchell would have been better off playing for Collingwood in 2003 or Corey and Enright at North in 2000 ::).
Wow Garry the whole purpose of the draft in theory is the the better kids end up at the poorer clubs :wallywink. What a riveting article :sleep. Two wins against winless clubs and Lyon thinks his beloved Dees are already top 8 material.
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Tom Scully will become a Richmond player at some point IMHO- and itll be sooner rather than later. Garry Lyon should be more worried about how his club is gonna keep scully.
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
lol. Hilarious. We might as well delist the other 32 then. Pathetic call. 8)
If you followed any other team who had a young list like ours you'd be exactly the same only to realise that at least 30 of those players had a future
Alright GENIUS.
Your thoughts on the players of the future.
This should be fun.
well almost half ourr list aint played a game yet, your thoughts on them einstein, this'll be good :lol
Whats the point in discussing things with NUFFERS.
Richmond have used 32 players so far this year YOU IMBECILE !
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your kidding.
We have probably 8-10 players on the list that have a future.
And thats it !
lol. Hilarious. We might as well delist the other 32 then. Pathetic call. 8)
If you followed any other team who had a young list like ours you'd be exactly the same only to realise that at least 30 of those players had a future
Alright GENIUS.
Your thoughts on the players of the future.
This should be fun.
well almost half ourr list aint played a game yet, your thoughts on them einstein, this'll be good :lol
Whats the point in discussing things with NUFFERS.
Richmond have used 32 players so far this year YOU IMBECILE !
well TY very much for the insult but that says nothing of making an assesment on the dozen or so players yet to debut, and I include rookies for the simpleminded :lol
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Oh yeah, Rookies, now lets see? mmmmmmmm Hicks , Nah, Westoff, nah
Where on earth do you find a dozen ?
Keeping in mind that Graham, McMahon, Polak ,Browne havent played and this year, and the first 3 are clearing NOT UP TO IT.
Browne needs to keep improving
HICKS will never EVER play AFL football, and thats a waste of a rookie spot.
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thought so, no response, ::)
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Alright GENIUS.
Your thoughts on the players of the future.
This should be fun.
Don't need to type out a page for negative punks like you 8)
All I can say is that once we delist Simmonds, Mcmahon, Hislop, White, Tuck, King and maybe another then we can boost our midfield stocks even further in the draft(assuming we get pick 4). We may get the best midfielder in the draft. With Foley back and with pick 4 our midfield will have the right numbers. Unlike you I rate our defensive talls Thursty, Mcguane and Post. In time they will be one of the better defences in the league with Newman, Connors and Tambling running the ball out Moore will be handy back up. I think Edwards has a future and will improve with experience. Edwards, Collins, Nason will look good on the wing. I think Graham has a future. He will be no worse than 3/4 of the ruckman in the league so there you go. Forward line will work itself out this year and will really prepare us for 2011. Looking forward to some wins soon and a big 2011
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Just shows that you have no idea.
Connors will never be any good.
Newman, very much over rated.
And the I save the best for last, GRAHAM :lol :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :chuck :thatsgold :thatsgold :chuck
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And I forgot Edwards ::)
And you forgot Rance ::)
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Just shows that you have no idea.
Connors will never be any good.
Newman, very much over rated.
And the I save the best for last, GRAHAM :lol :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :chuck :thatsgold :thatsgold :chuck
When you starting high school Jack?
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In Grade 3 at the moment, you can count cant you ? you work it out ;)
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Just shows that you have no idea.
Connors will never be any good.
Newman, very much over rated.
And the I save the best for last, GRAHAM :lol :jump :jump :jump :jump :stupid :stupid :chuck :thatsgold :thatsgold :chuck
When you starting high school Jack?
Another quality OER exhange right here! :clapping
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And I forgot Edwards ::)
And you forgot Rance ::)
Connors will be very good 8)
Edwards will make it imo
I have confidence in Rance
As for Graham, if Mark Blake can make it so an Graham :)
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And I forgot Edwards ::)
And you forgot Rance ::)
Connors will be very good 8)
Edwards will make it imo
I have confidence in Rance
As for Graham, if Mark Blake can make it so an Graham :)
What medication are you on ?
Pointless going any further with this :banghead
ALL 4 will be moved on at years end
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jack you dont think rance has an upside at all?..of all of them i think rance is worth perserviring with....
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jack you dont think rance has an upside at all?..of all of them i think rance is worth perserviring with....
Too small for key position and hasnt enough speed to play else where.
You look at the opposition clubs , take Brisbane, could he play on Fev or Brown ? answer NO
Could he play on Mooney or Hawkins ?? answer no
Roughhead or Franklin, NO
Hale or Petrie. NO
Hurley or Gumbleton , No
Goodes or Bradshaw No
Reidwoldt or Kozi , NO
Do I need to go on ?
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Cotchin and Martin would be better off in a side like the Saints or Geelong but then so would Scully and Trengove. Just a stupid article that is designed to have a slap at our club by pointing out the obvious - our kids have it harder than other clubs because they do not have the more experienced players to take the focus and responsibility off them while they are developing.
Our younger players will either descend into self doubt and negative mindset or they will strengthen their resolve, unify and emerge stronger from the early experience and responsibility. I'm hoping the second is the case :pray
Stripes
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And I forgot Edwards ::)
And you forgot Rance ::)
I still think Edwards & Connors are a chance of making it.
Rance not so.
As for the article I saw the journalist name and headline and stopped reading there.
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
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jack you dont think he can do a steve johnstone and turn his football around dramatically
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
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What medication are you on ?
Pointless going any further with this :banghead
ALL 4 will be moved on at years end
You know thats crap so why even say it? ;)
It's so wrong that I'd bet all 4 will be on the list next year
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The Author of the article is a greasy, slimmy, hairy bastard. Just another article trying to smash us down.
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
Correct attitude.
We arent a child care centre, then again we cant play footy, maybe we can use the new facilites to get some extra revenue
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
Infamy may not be talking about Connors in particular, or for that matter, footballers. People as human beings (even you and me jack) make mistakes and have their failings;to desert them as young people is pathetic!
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I agree, although how many chances to you give them?
Also , it impacts on the team and there lies a huge issue when you start playing ''favorites""
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I agree, although how many chances to you give them?
Also , it impacts on the team and there lies a huge issue when you start playing ''favorites""
I know nothing of inside dealings at the club and rely on this forum for that! Is Connors a popular bloke with the playing group when not on the sauce?
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
Infamy may not be talking about Connors in particular, or for that matter, footballers. People as human beings (even you and me jack) make mistakes and have their failings;to desert them as young people is pathetic!
Exactly, you don't just give up on people like that, you try to help them through it. Connors knows he's on his last chance, the length of the suspension proves that. If he fails one more time then he's out. I've tried to help mates through drug addition before and stuck by them when no one else would, sometimes you get through to them and its a great reward, other times it bites you on the ass, but you should at least try until you can't take it anymore.
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
Infamy may not be talking about Connors in particular, or for that matter, footballers. People as human beings (even you and me jack) make mistakes and have their failings;to desert them as young people is pathetic!
Exactly, you don't just give up on people like that, you try to help them through it. Connors knows he's on his last chance, the length of the suspension proves that. If he fails one more time then he's out. I've tried to help mates through drug addition before and stuck by them when no one else would, sometimes you get through to them and its a great reward, other times it bites you on the ass, but you should at least try until you can't take it anymore.
Yet the bite on the ass hurts nothing like sitting back, washing your hands of someone and watching them struggle with something that probably they have inherited from someone else or a past they can't deal with!
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
Infamy may not be talking about Connors in particular, or for that matter, footballers. People as human beings (even you and me jack) make mistakes and have their failings;to desert them as young people is pathetic!
Exactly, you don't just give up on people like that, you try to help them through it. Connors knows he's on his last chance, the length of the suspension proves that. If he fails one more time then he's out. I've tried to help mates through drug addition before and stuck by them when no one else would, sometimes you get through to them and its a great reward, other times it bites you on the ass, but you should at least try until you can't take it anymore.
He has been on his last chance before :banghead ::)
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
Infamy may not be talking about Connors in particular, or for that matter, footballers. People as human beings (even you and me jack) make mistakes and have their failings;to desert them as young people is pathetic!
Exactly, you don't just give up on people like that, you try to help them through it. Connors knows he's on his last chance, the length of the suspension proves that. If he fails one more time then he's out. I've tried to help mates through drug addition before and stuck by them when no one else would, sometimes you get through to them and its a great reward, other times it bites you on the ass, but you should at least try until you can't take it anymore.
He has been on his last chance before :banghead ::)
fair enough! thanks! maybe a change in coach saved him?
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Connors has too many issues, forget about him
Pathetic attitude
If you dont know the kid Infamy, dont comment
And if they want to get out on the drink, just leave the club, had enough of players thinking its a privledge to play AFL
Infamy may not be talking about Connors in particular, or for that matter, footballers. People as human beings (even you and me jack) make mistakes and have their failings;to desert them as young people is pathetic!
Exactly, you don't just give up on people like that, you try to help them through it. Connors knows he's on his last chance, the length of the suspension proves that. If he fails one more time then he's out. I've tried to help mates through drug addition before and stuck by them when no one else would, sometimes you get through to them and its a great reward, other times it bites you on the ass, but you should at least try until you can't take it anymore.
He has been on his last chance before :banghead ::)
I understand he's had plenty of chances, however this is under an old coach and he's never been suspended from the club either. It's midseason and he didn't rape anyone like Lovett allegedly did, so he misses almost half the season and is told to get his poo together or he'll be delisted at the end of the year. Pretty simple motivation if you ask me.