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tony_montana

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2010, 01:21:55 AM »
Jack Darling (West Perth, WA)
ALL THE WAYY :pray

But Tape looks like a good pick   :yep

reckon Darling will slip with the head injury, Lynch has gone past him on that shaky indefineable called "more upside" imo. clubs are suckers for it

agree on Tape -btw not sure if anyone has asked, but is this Tape related to the late Jamie Tape?
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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2010, 01:43:52 AM »
Jack Darling (West Perth, WA)
ALL THE WAYY :pray

But Tape looks like a good pick   :yep

reckon Darling will slip, Lynch has gone past him imo

agree on Tape -btw not sure if anyone has asked, but is this Tape related to the late Jamie Tape?
wouldnt have a clue... but if we can trade a player or two can we get both?

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2013, 01:42:21 PM »

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"We think we did a fair bit of planning last year with our forwards, we took Jayden Post (No. 26) and Ty Vickery (No.8 ) with our first and second picks," Jackson said.

"By taking them that put us in a good position with our talls. It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players."
???

I believe FJ is deluding himself if he thinks we are in a good position with our talls. Forgetting about quality for the moment  :help and just talking numbers on our list - we are about to lose Richo, Simmo, Polak, Schulz, Hughes, Silvester and Gourdis within a year. Patto and Putt may be gone as well.

That leaves ....

Def: Thursty, McGuane, Rance, Moore
For: Riewoldt, Post
Rucks: Vickery, Graham, Browne

If just 9 talls going forward with GC17 and WS hogging the next 3 drafts is classed as a good position then I'll go he.   

agree very silly statement from jackson. and its worse than you say. moore is not a kp mcguane and graham are not up to afl standard and browne is a rookie who has a long long way to go.

post while taken to play kpf is more likely a kpd.  vickery sheepoohought he was a ruckman what jackson is doing lumping him in as a permanent forward is bewildering.

ive done this before and will do it again. look at the structure of the majority of sides on any given game day.
it usually goes

b/           *****       genuine big bodied kpd.      *****
hb/        *****          genuine big bodied  kd.      third tall
c/          *****               *****                     *****
hf/         ******        genuine marking chf         *****
f/          *****             genuine ff                     third tall
r/          ruckman        ******                         ******
int        ruckman         *****   *****      possibly tall running  utility       

yep most clubs will take 8 talls into games each week and more if you have a tall like corey who plays as a mid but structurally 8 is normally it.

in moving forward we dont have enough for decent structure  it is a disgrace.

the ideal is cover for each position so you would have 6 tall defenders 4 of which are capable of playing kp and holding their own. ditto for tall forwards and 4 ruckmen.  of course you will have roughly 10 at or close to afl standard the rest should be in various stages of development.
it also goes to say if you need 16 who you are reasonably sure can play at afl level and will become afl standard you will have to load up with surplus talls we all know every pick we take wont make it the fail rate for clubs is somewhere between 30 and 40 percent.

the amount of work that has to be done in this area is staggering.

having said this in no way should we waste pick 3 by targeting a tall with it who is not best available.


genuine big bodied kpd. - 18 Alex Rance   194   96
genuine big bodied  kd. -       25 Troy Chaplin   195   99   23.02.86
third tall - 2 Dylan Grimes   193   88   16.07.91
genuine marking chf -     29 Ty Vickery   200   97   31.05.90 
genuine ff -    8 Jack Riewoldt   195   94   31.10.88                 
third tall -  27 Aaron Edwards   184   93   02.03.84 / 16 Luke McGuane   192   92   12.02.87
 ruckman -       20 Ivan Maric   200   102   04.01.86




What are you thought on how things have panned out if we fast forward to today? Given the way the rules have changed its unusual to carry a second ruckman and a 'back up' swing man type tall. Most teams play about three talls at each end of the ground and a single ruckman, usually supported by a tall forward. Hence allowing for as many smalls and mids to be 'runners', used in midfield rotation.     

In reserve we have Mcbean who will hopefully take over the troublesome third forward spot. Derickx and Orren [ruck depth], Griffiths and Elton [forward], Astbury, McIntosh and Darrou.


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b/           *****       genuine big bodied kpd.      *****
hb/        *****          genuine big bodied  kd.      third tall
c/          *****               *****                     *****
hf/         ******        genuine marking chf         *****
f/          *****             genuine ff                     third tall
r/          ruckman        ******                         ******
int        ruckman         *****   *****      possibly tall running  utility     
 


Morris. Chaplin. Vlastuin.
Houli. Rance. Grimes.
Conca. Cotchin. White.
Shane Edwards. Vickery. Ellis.
Newman. Riewoldt. McGaune/Aaron Edwards.
Maric. Deledio. Martin.
Jackson. Grigg. King.
Foley.



Dea. Astbury. Bachelor.
Petterd. McIntosh. Darrou.
Nahas. Tuck. Helbig.
Lonergan. Elton. Knights.
Ohanlon Griffiths. McBean.
Derickx. Mcdonough. Arnot.
Orren. Williams. Simon. Verrier 
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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2013, 01:56:44 PM »
It (key position) is certainly something we will look to bolster but we are confident they (Post and Vickery) are going to be good players." [Quote from Jackson]

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Re: Our tall stocks
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2013, 01:59:03 PM »
Griffiths and Elton are both highly rated, high draft pick key forwards. They might bust like Post but as least we have some promising kids  :cheers
I cant remember a time when we have some promising blokes in the seniors who are youngish and playing KP, and some even younger also promising KP types playing 2's. The list is a more healthy position than 5-10 years ago. [  http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=10515.msg171726#msg171726  ]



National   1   3      Dustin Martin   Richmond   84
National   2   19      Benjamin Griffiths   Richmond   19
 National   3   35      David Astbury   Richmond   29
 National   3   44      Matthew Dea   Richmond   24

National   1   15      Brandon Ellis   Richmond   40
National   1   26      Todd Elton   Richmond   1
 National   3   55      Matthew Arnot   Richmond   4
 Pre-Season   1   9      Brett O'Hanlon   Richmond   8


National   1   9      Nick Vlastuin   Richmond   16
National   2   31      Kamdyn Mcintosh   Richmond   0
 National   2   33      Liam Mcbean   Richmond   0

 National   2   42      Matthew Mcdonough   Richmond   1
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