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Offline Penelope

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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2010, 11:41:16 AM »
Laws of the game;

15.2.3 Holding the Football — Prior Opportunity/No
Prior Opportunity
Where the field Umpire is satisfied that a Player in possession
of the football:
(a)
has had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player
if the Player does not Kick or Handball the football
immediately when he or she is Correctly Tackled; or
(b)
has not had a prior opportunity to dispose of the football, the
field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against that Player if,
upon being Correctly Tackled, the Player does not Correctly
Dispose or attempt to Correctly Dispose of the football after
being given a reasonable opportunity to do so.
(c)
Except in the instance of a poor bounce or throw, a Player
who takes possession of the football while contesting a
bounce or throw by a field Umpire or a boundary throw in,
shall be regarded as having had prior opportunity.

Spirit of the Laws,

NO PRIOR OPPORTUNITY — REASONABLE TIME
“The player who has possession of the ball and is tackled
correctly by an opponent shall be given a reasonable time to or handball the ball or attempt to kick or handball the ball.”
If the tackle pins the ball, a field bounce will result.
If a correct tackle or bump causes the player with the ball to lose possession, play on will result.
PRIOR OPPORTUNITY — IMMEDIATE DISPOSAL
“The player who has possession of the ball and has had an
opportunity to dispose of it and is then tackled correctly by
an opponent must immediately kick or handball the ball.”
If a correct tackle pins the ball or causes the player
with the ball to lose possession, a free kick will result.
If a bump or knock to the arm causes the player with
the ball to lose possession, play on will result.

It's quite clear really, yet they get wrong again and again and again. A lot of supporters have no real idea of the law either.


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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2010, 12:06:35 PM »
basically what i said the problem being the upms are incapable of determining what a reasonable opportunity or reasonable time is to dispose of the ball. take it out of their hands put a time on it and everyone knows where they stand.

i was going to add but didnt that only effective tackles should be rewarded. so you have a bloke whos making the play taken 3 bounces and the ball is knocked out of his hand or hes only partially tackled it is play on.

it is all really common sense. the real problem is the direction the umps get from the imbeciles above them. as i said the game has to flow at all costs and they are instructed to interpret the rules in a way to accomodate this, no matter it makes no sense.

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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2010, 01:16:40 PM »
If there ever is any PROOF that the AFL Umpires selectors have no idea, just replay last night's game and watch umpire No 38 pay many INCORRECT free kicks to HAWTHORN and not pay A SINGLE incorrect decision against them.

Umpire no 38 was just as poor at TAC and VFL levels and although he is very good at LOOKING LIKE an umpire with his hand signals, whistle blowing, directing the boundary umpire, signalling ALL CLEAR and expert backward running, he cannot bounce the ball, he does not understand the game of FOOTBALL and is OBVIOUSLY BIASSED against lower teams on the ladder.

I asked the Victoria Police (who were escorting him off the groundafter a game between Coburg and Port Melbourne, in which Coburg won narrowly won) to arrest him for IMPERSONATING A VFL UMPIRE, but they refused to do so as he was wearing the correct and his game day pass was in order.

This umpire crucified Richmond last night, right from the first bounce. The other umpires noticed it too and tried to keep him out of the way. He has had his chance now GET RID OF HIM.

I am going to call him PONTIUS, because he is a CRUCIFIER of our great game of footy.

Surely the good umpires in the game don't want this sort of performance to bring down their own reputation ans will stand up and say that they don't want to appear on the same ground as PONTIUS the Crucifier. You wouldn't even want him as a boundary umpire would you.

No matter how desperate the AFL say they are with umpires, this maggot falls so far below the acceptable level that if he ever gets to umpire an AFL premiership points game, it will show that the umpiring department and the AFL has no idea and are ruining the game.



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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2010, 01:51:57 PM »
A little voice in my head was telling me to throw hot grease on that umpire and it was hard not to comply. :banghead
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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2010, 03:18:14 PM »
A little voice in my head was telling me to throw hot grease on that umpire and it was hard not to comply. :banghead

Now now, If it wasn't for the likes of PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER we wouldn't have anything to rant about now would we. :)

Gee I'm glad I didn't see the game, sounds like a terrible rule.


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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2010, 07:01:01 PM »
A little voice in my head was telling me to throw hot grease on that umpire and it was hard not to comply. :banghead

Now now, If it wasn't for the likes of PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER we wouldn't have anything to rant about now would we. :)

Gee I'm glad I didn't see the game, sounds like a terrible rule.



After that loss of course we would tidy lol :rollin

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Geisch concedes umpiring was overzealous but AFL sticking to new rules (H-S)
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2010, 04:06:38 AM »
No delaying umpires' crackdown

* Mark Stevens
 * Herald Sun
 * February 24, 2010


THE AFL has warned that a rash of 50m penalties is proof it is serious about stamping out stalling tactics.

Umpires awarded 30 50m penalties in the first round of the NAB Cup, almost double the average of 17 a round last year, and the crackdown will continue in the season proper.

AFL umpiring director Jeff Gieschen yesterday said players would face unprecedented pressure to avoid creeping over the mark and other illegal ploys to delay opponents from playing on.

"If the number of 50s is almost double what it was in the home-and-away last year it clearly shows were are serious," Gieschen said.

"It's a sign of things to come.

"We're going to be very vigilant. The teams who have won the ball need to be given every opportunity to move it on without opponents delaying or slowing down that process.

"Our job now is to be consistently strong in that area."

Players will no longer be able to slowly lob the ball back to opponents and there will be continued focus on players breaking the new 5m rule.

Umpires have been told to be severe on any opponent encroaching within 5m of a player who is about to take a kick after being paid a mark or free.

Although Gieschen conceded the officiating of that rule was overzealous in the Hawthorn-Richmond NAB Cup clash in Launceston, with up to three incorrect decisions, the AFL is hellbent on sticking to it guns.

With zoning creating more congestion through the midfield and slowing down play, the AFL wants to make the play more free-flowing.

During AFL club visits pre-Christmas, teams admitted to using slowing down tactics.

"We said we'd make it even and fair across the board and tighten it up for everybody and they (the clubs) accepted that," Gieschen said.

"We want to see more continuous movement of the ball. That's a team's right. They should be able to do that."

Clubs have in the past stalled by throwing the ball high into the air, so it takes longer to get to the opponent who has taken a mark or won a free kick.

Now, it must be delivered at a reasonable trajectory.

"It has to go straight back to your opponent in a manner you'd expect it to be thrown back to a teammate - you must throw it directly back," Gieschen said.

Throwing the ball a metre or two to the side of players is also illegal.

"When they've got to reach across, it creates a minor delay, but it is enough to allow a team time to push players back (to defend)," Gieschen said.

Gieschen said he expected clubs and players to adapt well to the tightening of the rules.

"From here, we'll see players get better at it," Gieschen said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/no-delaying-umpires-crackdown/story-e6frf9jf-1225833640402

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there will be continued focus on players breaking the new 5m rule.

Umpires have been told to be severe on any opponent encroaching within 5m of a player who is about to take a kick after being paid a mark or free.

Although Gieschen conceded the officiating of that rule was overzealous in the Hawthorn-Richmond NAB Cup clash in Launceston, with up to three incorrect decisions, the AFL is hellbent on sticking to it guns.

No issue with penalising the throwing the ball back but the 5m rule that we saw in round 1 is a stuffing joke.
Hopefully despite the AFL's front in this article they are dialling it right back.
Their quest to make the game more exciting is right now proving to be a double edged sword.

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Re: PONTIUS the CRUCIFIER
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2010, 09:56:18 AM »
Totally agree Mr Magic. Cant quite work out how a bloke running to the interchange and the player with the ball runs backwards causing him to end up in the protected space can hold up play.

I the league really want to reduce congestion and have more free flowing game then perhaps removing the wings from the teams (ala VFA) and having an extra 2 interchange would go a long way to achieving this.
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