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Kick-ins
« on: March 24, 2011, 11:53:41 PM »
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Can we please fix our kick-ins Dimma as we gift the opposition most of their scoring from our kick-ins  :banghead. I watched the game from behind the goals at the city end and had a good view of what we were kicking out too. It's very hard to break a zone when our players are stagnant and we just bomb it from the square to 60m out where the opposition ruckman is.
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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2011, 12:32:21 AM »
different year same result

COAST TO FU.CKIN COAST FOR THE OPPOSITION.

why cant we get this right. I just understand it. All teams have mastered this against us yet we cant return the favour.

Kick ins straight to the pack on the boundary and then ball either out of bounds or a ball up.

We dont run hard enough and not quick enough with our kick ins.

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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 01:41:43 AM »
When we didn't set up our zone  across the ground for their kick-ins the Blues went coast to coast. So while it's annoying daniel it's a learning phase for mine so I wasn't too concerned with that side of things as it is easily fixed with more gametime and experience. Our kick-ins though are pathetic. We wait until the opposition have set up their zone and then we are lost for ideas so as you said daniel we just kick to a pack which at best is just a 50/50 scenario. It was so old school and predictable and easily counted.

Also while on the topic of clearing the ball from our defensive 50, our mids up the field are also too stagnant and don't read the play. Carlton would bring the ball down one side of the ground and even if our defenders got the spoil in and gained the possession, when they looked up there was either no one upfield leading to kick to on the fat side or the Carlton players had spread faster and in greater numbers to that fat side than we did - either way our defenders had to do a u-turn and hold onto the ball putting them under pressure as they were trapped and isolated. Dimma should really as punishment get our mids at training to start in the centre corridor then repeatedly sprint to one wing then back to the centre and then sprint to the other wing and then back to centre.  Until we can spread faster than the opposition does and have leads running hard into space we'll continue trap ourselves behind the ball and make the player with the ball look like a dill for coughing the ball up so easily.

ps. I'm not excusing our defenders entirely I might add as there were a few too many brainfades from them as well. Sheesh in junior footy you learn to play the percentages and not keep the ball in play by the boundary line in your defensive 50 when under pressure and outnumbered let alone handball it blind back into the corridor  :help.
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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 11:24:46 AM »
In the first quarter the sheer amount of points that Carlton kicked magnified the problem. Coupled with this the oppositions lack of fatigue at that stage and this capabilities to ensure the zone was quickly set up and we had a problem. I must agree with you though regarding how stagnant our players seemed. There players were stationary in zone formation and them our players were equally immobilized standing in the gaps between the Blues players. How the hell we expected our backman to find a target is beyond me and we made our movements very predictable. Almost every time we kicked to our ruckman on the boundary where their even bigger ruckman plus other players were waiting.

There must be a better way.

In saying this, when we did finally kick a point and had time to set up our zone, Carlton had an equally difficult time moving the ball out and turned it over. The coast to coast play was in the latter part of the game when our, and most of their's for that matter, were dead on their feet and this didn't get into defensive formation quickly enough.

I think this is a universal problem that can only truly be solved by doing what Carlton did - keep the ball away from your defense in the early stages of the game when the opposition still have the fitness to quickly set up their zone.


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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2011, 11:31:53 AM »
Why did Rance take a kick in from the city end?

Should have a designated kicker such as newman or lids...having said that newman imho in the first quarter was poor

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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2011, 01:33:56 PM »
We wait until the opposition have set up their zone and then we are lost for ideas so as you said daniel we just kick to a pack which at best is just a 50/50 scenario. It was so old school and predictable and easily counted.

Yes, MT, why were we doing that?  We had lots of opportunities to move the ball back into play quickly before the Blooze had set up their zone, but our kicker seemed to wait in the goal square until everything was static.

I couldn't see it on the Tube, but didn't we have anyone to kick to?  Is that another symptom of our unwillingness or inability to spread from a contest?  I couldn't understand it.  It almost seemed planned.

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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2011, 10:56:44 PM »
We wait until the opposition have set up their zone and then we are lost for ideas so as you said daniel we just kick to a pack which at best is just a 50/50 scenario. It was so old school and predictable and easily counted.

Yes, MT, why were we doing that?  We had lots of opportunities to move the ball back into play quickly before the Blooze had set up their zone, but our kicker seemed to wait in the goal square until everything was static.

I couldn't see it on the Tube, but didn't we have anyone to kick to?  Is that another symptom of our unwillingness or inability to spread from a contest?  I couldn't understand it.  It almost seemed planned.
As Stripes said our players were stagnant within Carlton's zone formation. Our guys were just standing in a hole flat-footed and hoping the kicker would drill a pin-point pass to them. That ain't going to happen as it's too risky especially with most of players' footskills.

So really the kicker's only options were
(i) to kick short to a pocket which really gets you nowhere as the zone doesn't have to budge if you stop and take the kick behind the mark or if you play on you still have no one upfield to kick to and having played on you're able to be put under pressure and tackled. The latter leads to that happy handgrenade handball deep in defence we've seen so often :help
(ii) a long kick wide to just outside the 50 to a contest. (Lids tried to kick a few torps in the last quarter to gain some extra distance but he never connected with one properly).



One of the problems we have is we don't have a imposing quality ruckman or strong-body tall to dominate in the air (Jack can't be everywhere) nor do we have or use tall mids as marking targets say 30m out who can then play on and fire a pass over the back of the zone to a teammate running hard into space further a field. Lids should really be used as a target rather than wasting his talent doing the kick ins. We were playing a side with shorties like Betts, Garlett, Yarran in the Carlton zone. Surely a reasonably tall Tiger mid could have marked over the top of one of the shorter Blues if the ball was kicked in their direction irrespective of the zone. The other issue is we are so slow in moving the ball because we are not only stagnant but we don't function as team properly. You need each player that gains possession to have the confidence and knowledge that he quickly fire off a pass as soon as he gains possession to a teammate leading up and running hard into space upfield. Because we don't do this we either get trapped behind the zone or we lose more than our fair share of 50/50s from going the predictable long kick down the line. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we occasionally tried the old school 80s huddle at CHF. Despite it being predictable as well at least with the long kick we'd have numbers at the contest and fall of the ball compared to now where we just hand the ball back to the opposition on their forward 50  :P.
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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 07:28:35 PM »
A Tiger supporter rang into SEN about our "terrible" kick-ins. He said we supposedly use our two best kicks in Newman and Deledio yet they can't find a target whether its them or the way the opposition set up their zone. Nathan Thompson said he wouldn't use Deledio to do the kick-ins. Newman should be kicking it to Deledio at HB where he can use his athleticism and footskills to move the ball quickly and set up attacks.

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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 08:35:28 PM »
Nathan Thompson said he wouldn't use Deledio to do the kick-ins. Newman should be kicking it to Deledio at HB where he can use his athleticism and footskills to move the ball quickly and set up attacks.

He's obviously been reading OER this week because that's what alot of us have been saying  ;D
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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 09:00:28 PM »
we dont gut run hard enough

you will always struggle to stretch sides if you arent willing to run yourself into the ground

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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2011, 02:48:12 AM »
we dont gut run hard enough

you will always struggle to stretch sides if you arent willing to run yourself into the ground
Spot on TM. In fact we aren't running at all when it comes to our kick-ins  :P.
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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2011, 11:16:44 AM »
Bring back the huddle! ;D

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Kick-in: the hardest kick (Age)
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2011, 02:43:47 AM »
The hardest kick
Jon Pierik
April 7, 2011

 
Players that kick their way out of defence are like gold.

Never before has the need to clear the defensive arc been so important or so difficult. With most opposition teams pushing all 18 players inside or on the cusp of their defensive 50 metres, one poor kick-in will almost certainly quickly result in another shot at goal.

Commentator and former Richmond and Collingwood forward Brian Taylor said returning the ball into play is now the most important kick in football.

Champion Data statistics show Richmond skipper Chris Newman has taken the most kick-ins (20) this season, at 90 per cent efficiency. He has shown a propensity to play on from full-back (six times) in a bid to help kick over the zone.

Brett Deledio, another of Richmond's designated kickers, appears of like mind. "Most teams have nearly got all 18 blokes down there in your defensive 50, so it is quite tough," Deledio said. "Most teams opt to just get it long and try and get it outside 50 and then start again from there and if you don't it's nearly a score the other way."

Full article at:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-hardest-kick-20110406-1d4ml.html

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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2011, 03:46:47 AM »
Our kick-ins are still deplorable. We seem to be the only side that has some much trouble getting the ball past defensive 50 from a kick-in  :banghead.
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Re: Kick-ins
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2011, 09:31:07 AM »
Kicking it straight down the guts resulted in 3 goals to Melbourne. One of the kick outs  was to Nahas in the middle. Stupid. The players don't kick to ruckmen because they have no confidence that they will provide a contest. Our movement in defence was very slow stagnant and we paid the price