Richmond interested in Dylan Shiel [merged]

[Andyy]

SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.

FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!

Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!

74 games, still 25 years years old for another 4 months.

However I agree $400k is probably overs, but where I'm coming from is that if we don't pay overs for a guy like Greenwood then we're only going to attract potatoes.

Would be money well spent compared to the likes of Grigg, Hampson, Knights etc.

Anyway. Let's just wait for everybody to trade the guns. Malceski to GC, Ryder to Port, Beams to Bris etc etc. And when the dust has settled lets just see who's left unwanted. Because God forbid we pay anybody $50-100k more than they're worth...

[tony_montana]

Like you mentioned earlier Andy, a lot of posters have no idea how it works in the real world

[Andyy]

SEN, official, Greenwood has just requested a trade to Collingwood, 4 year deal.

FFS, well done Tiges, if we aren't getting beaten by the Pies on field they are beating us off field!!!!

Seriously, $400k for a 26yo with only 50 games under his belt.
C'mon Wat, not even your that stupid!

And FWIW a bloke like Anthony Miles will probably be the same age as Greenwood with as many games. Your stats mean very little.


With all due respect it's this 'no pay $50k over your worth' attitude that has led to RFC playing stuffing moneyball in the first place, targeting unwanted chumps like Thomas, Petterd, Knights, Hampson, Banfield, Gordon etc.

Serviceable examples include Grigg (initially but no longer), Houli (sometimes) and Miles (but omg he's only produced half a decent season).


Need to start paying money for good players or we will always be mediocre just rotating the bottom half of our list with spuds.

[scjhammo]

easy mate miles has really only had half a season greenwood has had one break out season prior to that he was in and out of the north team like a yo-yo..

agree on the likes of grigg certainly time up, hampson well we cant do anything there when you sign him up for 3 years, banfield was a rookie no longer with us, pettard well the jury is still out with him doubt hed get a game anywhere else same as Thomas will struggle to play next year will be to slow, Gordon next year will tell me but also sososo..

really mate greenwood is not that good

[scjhammo]

greenwoods manager liam pickering on sen before said north had a contract in place 2 months ago which we were happy about but his last 2 months he was worth more then that contract so a player has 2 months of good footy and then expect to get another 100k+ are u kidding yourself u run around for 2 hours a week playing footy the rest is training and reading books and probably xbox games.. if I earned 300k a year id be taking home 20k after tax a month please if yah cant live off that get a grip

[Andyy]

easy mate miles has really only had half a season greenwood has had one break out season prior to that he was in and out of the north team like a yo-yo..

agree on the likes of grigg certainly time up, hampson well we cant do anything there when you sign him up for 3 years, banfield was a rookie no longer with us, pettard well the jury is still out with him doubt hed get a game anywhere else same as Thomas will struggle to play next year will be to slow, Gordon next year will tell me but also sososo..

really mate greenwood is not that good

That's exactly what I said in my previous post - prior to that Miles was about as in-favour as Greenwood.

As for Greenwood, well he's shown he can produce good football and Collingwood has taken it upon themselves to pounce on a bloke and pay a little bit over to get him to their team. The same way they did offering money to Taylor Adams last year when we were too poo scared to try and lure him to us with a little extra cash.

Honestly you blokes would sink a team if you managed a list. Wait til everybody has 3 consecutive seasons of football and then offer them exactly what they're worth. Good players will be either 1. taken by other clubs who are more aggressive than us or 2. laughing at us for offering them too little money to defect from their current team to us.


So like I said. Wait til the guns have all moved. Then we'll just pick amongst the crap left over. See if we can't unearth another Thomas or whatever whilst the likes of Taylor Adams and Levi Greenwood pass us by.

[Andyy]

greenwoods manager liam pickering on sen before said north had a contract in place 2 months ago which we were happy about but his last 2 months he was worth more then that contract so a player has 2 months of good footy and then expect to get another 100k+ are u kidding yourself u run around for 2 hours a week playing footy the rest is training and reading books and probably xbox games.. if I earned 300k a year id be taking home 20k after tax a month please if yah cant live off that get a grip

Actually from $80-180,000 you're losing 37.5 cents per dollar and from 180,000+ you're losing about 45 cents per dollar.

So if you're making $300,000/year you'll only clear about $15,000/month.


This guy just played his best season. He has 5 years, maybe 6-7 max left in his career. And you wanna point the finger at him for looking out for number 1? As if you wouldn't. Please take yourself and your 'holier than thou'/superior moral complex elsewhere. If you're got a family to provide for you'd take the extra $100,000/year in a heartbeat.

He's making the best of his limited opportunities whilst he still can. Matty White did the same. So did Crameri.

[scjhammo]

well considering they only probably work 10 months out of the year they would be taking home at least 20k.... u cant live off 20k then ur got issues mate anyway not hear to get into a childish email battle you have ur opinon I have mine at the end of the day we barrack for the tigers and in all honesty id have Dylan shields anyday of the week his a gun in a side that is average come on...

and greenwood is not worth $400k... taylor adams was average this year

[Andyy]

well considering they only probably work 10 months out of the year they would be taking home at least 20k.... u cant live off 20k then ur got issues mate anyway not hear to get into a childish email battle you have ur opinon I have mine at the end of the day we barrack for the tigers and in all honesty id have Dylan shields anyday of the week his a gun in a side that is average come on...

and greenwood is not worth $400k... taylor adams was average this year

Who, at any point in this thread, suggested Greenwood was going to Collingwood because he didn't think he could live off North's offer of $300,000? 

Nobody.

Like I said. He will play another 5 years or so. He wants to make the most of it while he can. Can you blame him?

Or should we call Gary Jr and Lance Franklin, and suggest that since I can live off $49,000/year (the year I bought my house) that they should come play for Richmond at the minimum wage?

I don't want an 'email battle' but your argument is ridiculous.

There was an opportunity to grab a good player. Collingwood took it. We didn't. Next potato please.

[pmac21]

Taylor Adams is a hack who cannot kick.  No wonder we didn't want him.  Greenwood's an even worse kick so all this is really not surprising. 
Jono O'Rourke on the other hand I cannot quite work out why we are not into him??

[Andyy]

These are inside mids. Their job is to get it to the outside mids. Not deliver I50.

And what has O'Rouke achieved so far that gives you a tingle in the nether regions? Nothing. Not yet. So how much money would you offer him?

[Diocletian]

Greenwood to Collingwood 2015, Martin to Collingwood 2016.

[Willy]

These are inside mids. Their job is to get it to the outside mids. Not deliver I50.

Then why does everyone have a problem with Matt Thomas?
Inside mids need to have good skills too nowadays.

[scjhammo]

CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON

[Willy]

CAUSE MATT THOMAS IS VERY SLOW AND THAT WAS FOUND OUT IN THE LATTER PART OF THE SEASON

Yes, slow and unskilled.

It ain't enough just to be a ball winner is my point. Matt Thomas is my example.