Recruiting

[tigs2011]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

[georgies31]

Last 2 years we have taken short cuts at the draft table and with trades and not continue with kids number 1.You can carry 1 of these blokes in your side but no more..Promoting Petterd mistake،giving Chaplin a 4 year deal lol،Knights 3 year deal، Hampshon coughing up pick 28. Wasting space with has been players on our rookee list to taking a kids spot.Thomas،Lonergan،Big O etc.I would rather loose with kids then this crap.

[big tone]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

[Simonator]

RFC thought our premiership window was wide
Open so we topped up our list with players that are a temp fix and fill some temp holes. Now that the window is well and truely closed for this year at least, I expect to see some more kids getting games.

[Rampstar]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

I think when they head into their 3rd season of football they are no longer kids.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

I think when they head into their 3rd season of football they are no longer kids.

That's just an opinion Ramps.  Most people wait till their fourth or fifth season to call them reasonably experienced.

[big tone]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

I think when they head into their 3rd season of football they are no longer kids.

That's just an opinion Ramps.  Most people wait till their fourth or fifth season to call them reasonably experienced.

I guess it's a tough one. A player like Darling from West Coast wasn't a kid in about game three. A lot has to do with the size of the kid but would you have called Wingard a kid last year? Or O'Meara?
I guess 3 pre-seasons should be enough, especially the way the kids are groomed to be drafted these days from TAB Cup.
4 or 5 is a long time to have "kids" on a list.

[Judge Roughneck]

Astbury and grff 5th season or there about, still kids

[tigs2011]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

Were you saying that our guys wouldn't get a game for them the last 2 years when we flogged them. Geez I know we are going poo this year but come on we didn't beat them with 5 blokes. I reckon a few of our young kids would look pretty good with Hodge and Mitchell showing the way rather than Grigg/Petterd/Newman etc. Put Brad Hill in our team and he'd probably be playing back pocket for the VFL team.

I reckon claw has this pretty well sussed out. 4 years for smalls and about 6 for talls provided they are showing improvement. Then you've got to allow for injuries. E.g. Conca hasn't had a pre-season yet and looks to have a lot of self doubt.

I think some we are hanging on to for too long and a call should have been made on them by now. E.g. Helbig. Should have been fed games in his inside mid role and he either shows something and we persist until he matures or we go the old dud delist thing. Another is Dea who I actually really like. He's exactly what we are trying to turn Morris into. Should have been fed games. If his VFL game didn't transition to AFL, then delist him. Instead we bring in duds from poo clubs and prevent us from finding out and then we are too unsure about whether to cut or keep.

[tigs2011]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

I think when they head into their 3rd season of football they are no longer kids.

That's just an opinion Ramps.  Most people wait till their fourth or fifth season to call them reasonably experienced.

I guess it's a tough one. A player like Darling from West Coast wasn't a kid in about game three. A lot has to do with the size of the kid but would you have called Wingard a kid last year? Or O'Meara?
I guess 3 pre-seasons should be enough, especially the way the kids are groomed to be drafted these days from TAB Cup.
4 or 5 is a long time to have "kids" on a list.

I'd say yes they're all still kids. Star kids but kids all the same. Whilst we always see the really good stuff because they are super talents, they also have games where they do jack poo.

We unfortunately are relying on these kids to turn up every week because well they are our best players/only good players.

[Judge Roughneck]

Around 25 years old are not kids

This is why pettard grigg houli Thomas hampson types should be copping for stuff

Than lose in the younger age brackets

[Diocletian]

The "kids" excuse expires once players hit 22 IMO. Smalls & mids should be starting to look comfortable and talls should be at least starting to really show something on a consistent basis.

[tigs2011]

The "kids" excuse expires once players hit 22 IMO. Smalls & mids should be starting to look comfortable and talls should be at least starting to really show something on a consistent basis.

Agree. 

[tony_montana]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

In your opinion... it looks to me as though you are judging form not talent/skill. Yeah form is pretty putrid right now, but that's temporary. Personally I think they'd comfortably get in the hawks side in front of a couple of their fresh faced youngsters. Ellis more so than Conca right now bc of what he brings. They'd utilise his kicking skills and elite running immediately. Concs would have a harder time breaking into the midfield but they've shown they will move Mitchell to a HBF and drop sewell to give the young guys coming through a chance to develop in the midfield with senior players supporting them.

[tony_montana]

I think most of us agree on that bt, problem wasn't getting these guys, was a good move imo, but the fact we're still going down that path and playing these guys ahead of kids that should be going past them is an indictment.

Conca and Ellis would be playing in Hawthorns team imo, Ellis especially, they'd love his run/kicking skills and would find the perfect outside role for him. As for the rest of them, well theyre not even good enough to play in our side according to our coaches so no hope for the hawks. Just not good enough

Ellis and Conca getting a game in front of who? Both are lucky to be in our side on their starts to the year.
More delusional than Dimma. 

simpkin and hallahan. What's obvious here with Ellis is that fans of RFC expect way too much from our kids.

Our two might get a game early but they would get found out pretty quickly. Nothing really against those two but IMO both have massive weakness in their games.
My other question is, when do our kids become adults? At what age do we stop using the 'we are to harsh on our kids?' Genuine question.

There are always exceptions to the rule with some freaks of nature but by and large, I would say with 4-5 preseasons under their belt and 50-70 games under their belt, their bodies should be at a level where they can compete with men week in week out.