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Exposing the Tigers' underbelly (Age)
« on: April 29, 2014, 11:48:57 AM »
Exposing the Tigers' underbelly

  Michael Gleeson
     The Age
    April 29, 2014



Since round 19 last year when Richmond beat Hawthorn by 42 points the Tigers have won five games and lost six.

That equation is a better reflection of where the Tigers are  at than either their win over Hawthorn last year, or their heavy loss to  the Hawks on Sunday. And make no mistake, it was a heavy defeat made kinder by Hawthorn’s 4.7 in the first quarter.

Richmond arguably over-achieved last year and, consequently this year, is battling to repeat the performance. Coach Damien Hardwick might be right that it has, in part, only taken the absence of a few key players to expose this underbelly.

After Sunday's loss, Hardwick opined the loss of three of his best six players – Brett Deledio, Alex Rance and Ivan Maric.

Generally it is correct that teams need their best players to consistently win games. Lose your best players and everything else must go right. At Richmond it has exposed the gulf between the better players and the plethora of battlers.

His argument was made to look thin by the fact that North Melbourne - a side that finished outside the eight last year - had beaten Fremantle in Perth the same weekend without Scott Thompson, Daniel Wells and Andrew Swallow.

Rance might be in Richmond’s best six players but if he is, then that is a reflection on where the club is at. Rance is a capable player but not elite. He is the best Richmond has got and while David Astbury has been playing his best football in a key defence post, Rance would have helped them.

The Rance was not there because he broke his foot riding his bike makes his injury all the more difficult to accept for the Tigers.

The fact the bullocking Maric was replaced by recruit Shaun Hampson - who has taken just seven marks in his five games this year - also reveals where Richmond is being let down.

What the injuries do not explain is the abject loss of run from the side. Hardwick noted  it had lost fluency. Missing Deledio - an extremely durable player, who prior to this Achilles problem, played 146 consecutive games - has helped expose its slow, tentative and stilted game.

Opposition sides have sat on Trent Cotchin and not needed to worry about anyone else with Deledio out. No one is regularly breaking the lines and moving the ball on.

Daniel Jackson looks to be fretting at the idea of having to kick the ball and so is holding onto it and turning in circles until someone arrives to handball to. It doesn’t help fluency when your best-and-fairest winner does not look like he wants to kick.

Mind you, it does help to have someone to kick to. Jack Riewoldt worked hard at the weekend, which is not something that can always be said, but he was the sole choice. Ben Griffiths played a role only as a decoy forward leading Brian Lake away from Riewoldt. And then the Tigers had nothing: no small forward to worry about; no mid-sized forward to threaten; no harassing defensive forward to rescue the ball from defenders.

Ty Vickery, a player who has been heavily invested in, was so out of form he had to be dropped and this also illustrates the Tigers' problem. He is a better player than Griffiths, though not a star, but he needed to be dropped.

These are not one-week maladies. These are not the over-reactions of a loss to the premier - a side the Tigers had beaten at their two previous meetings - they are questions about a side that finished fifth and still holds hopes of a higher finish  this year.

Richmond has not lacked for endeavour in its losses this year. It has lacked for class and this was - in fairness to Hardwick - ever more evident with Deledio out.

The lack of class is a consequence of the Tigers, like the Brisbane Lions, being the  casualties of timing.

The Tigers bottomed out at the worst possible time. When they got Brandon Ellis in 2011 at pick 15, GWS had 11 picks ahead of them. Take GWS out and they get pick four instead. After their horrid season in 2009 they got Reece Conca at pick six - but only after Gold Coast had the first three picks. In 2012 they got Nick Vlastuin at pick nine after the Giants had the first three picks.

All clubs were penalised by new teams needing to be built through the draft, but none more so than those who had the misfortune to be in need of their own rebuild at the time.

Richmond managed to finish fifth last year despite this draft denial, which in itself speaks to the idea of outperforming itself, but it  took only two or three injuries, a drop of form and a challenge to the game plan for the underbelly to be exposed.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/exposing-the-tigers-underbelly-20140428-zr0wy.html#ixzz30CKAXbme

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Re: Exposing the Tigers' underbelly (Age)
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2014, 11:54:04 AM »
Tyrone Vickery is NOT a better footballer than Benny.
He has been given many more opportunities and that is all.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2014, 11:56:45 AM »
The Tigers bottomed out at the worst possible time. When they got Brandon Ellis in 2011 at pick 15, GWS had 11 picks ahead of them. Take GWS out and they get pick four instead. After their horrid season in 2009 they got Reece Conca at pick six - but only after Gold Coast had the first three picks. In 2012 they got Nick Vlastuin at pick nine after the Giants had the first three picks.

All clubs were penalised by new teams needing to be built through the draft, but none more so than those who had the misfortune to be in need of their own rebuild at the time.

Couldn't agree more with this.

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2014, 12:14:54 PM »
magic thats a cop out. Look at the pies as an example and see how their under 50 gamers are coping with the big league.

No one forced them to play Maric last when clearly he wasnt right. No one forced them to get rid our only fast runner. No one forces them to play the same blokes week in week out then when poo hits the fan they have to run around and start picking youngsters. No one forces them to recruit Graham and not attempt to Mcevoy. No one forces them to recruit Thomas and then select him ahead of Miles.

Pies team who played Essendon Anzac day. I put this in because this is a team with a few stars but many players who play for their jumper. I soldier out one soldier in is what clarkson says.


Dayne Beams   
Sidebottom   
Dane Swan   
Jamie Elliott   
Luke Ball   
Clinton Young            
Harry Lumumba   
Tyson Goldsack   
Tom Langdon          
Brodie Grundy   
Jarrod Witts   
Travis Cloke   
Jesse White   
Brent Macaffer   
Josh Thomas    
Jarryd Blair   
Nick Maxwell   
Lachlan Keeffe   
Alan Toovey
Jack Frost   
Alex Fasolo

its called pride, endeavour and willingness to work for your teammates. Outside of about 3 players our playing list are weak as pee and are like that because the coach allows them to be.

I dont particulary like Buckely persona but he is a perfectionist in everything he does. The way he speaks the way he act  in public and he would demand excellence from his club as was evident last year when he offloaded some favourite sons.

Dimma will be joining the centrelink queue very soon unless he adopts a similar stance.

He joined our clubs all guns blazing we are "not taking short cuts" but gee look at us now.

i reckon he is as weak and timid  as Titch Tambling
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Re: Exposing the Tigers' underbelly (Age)
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 12:26:48 PM »
We had to take other measures during compromised drafts that's a fact however I still question the direction we were heading with the game plan in mind and the types of players we recruited. We are suffering from a distinct lack of line breakers and not one of the players recruited has speed on their side to help with this issue. All other sides have players with these qualities. Without line breakers we basically have to work harder to break down opposition defensive structures, hard running and high disposal efficiency is required, we unfortunately don't have many players with those attributes either.

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Re: Exposing the Tigers' underbelly (Age)
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 05:52:04 PM »
Tyrone Vickery is NOT a better footballer than Benny.
He has been given many more opportunities and that is all.

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 07:06:19 PM »
magic thats a cop out. Look at the pies as an example and see how their under 50 gamers are coping with the big league.

9 players remain in that side from the 2010 premiership.

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2014, 08:34:54 PM »
Tyrone has been crap.
what I saw of griff on sat was what I saw last year in the reserves ,a player not making contests.This needs to change quickly for his and the clubs sake

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2014, 09:28:52 PM »
Thought this thread might be about seediness, floozies and the like.

Unfortunately just another RFC is crap thread

Oh well

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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2014, 09:36:22 PM »
What's griff done at sen level, someone recap I must have blinked and missed it, he can barely chalk up more than 7-8 possessions and beyond taking marks over Eddie betts types has proved next to useless when clutching marks i50. TV kicks goals even when stinking it up. He s 10 times the player griff is right now, fact ...don't get me started in Hampson , he should be out of the team
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014, 09:41:33 PM »
Winston Churchill would have loved Hampson..never has so little been done by such a spud

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2014, 09:49:56 PM »
Hey G , did azza Edwards get injured vs franger?
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2014, 10:15:58 PM »
What's griff done at sen level, someone recap I must have blinked and missed it, he can barely chalk up more than 7-8 possessions and beyond taking marks over Eddie betts types has proved next to useless when clutching marks i50. TV kicks goals even when stinking it up. He s 10 times the player griff is right now, fact ...don't get me started in Hampson , he should be out of the team

Atleast Griffiths is having a fair dinkum crack at it, he also works hard in terms of the one percenters, TV doesnt do anything like that, hes had a very easy ride has Tyrone, he deserves to be playing reserves at the moment.

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2014, 10:31:04 PM »
What's griff done at sen level, someone recap I must have blinked and missed it, he can barely chalk up more than 7-8 possessions and beyond taking marks over Eddie betts types has proved next to useless when clutching marks i50. TV kicks goals even when stinking it up. He s 10 times the player griff is right now, fact ...don't get me started in Hampson , he should be out of the team

FFS is all you look at Goals kicked?

If so, you should also count against Tyrone all the goals that have been kicked by the opposition because his stupid play has resulted in the ball ending up being run down the field and they have scored at will.

Also count all the times he has been behind his man looking for a cheap mark or goal.  Then he cannot be bothered chasing, tackling or blocking his opponent when he hasn't got the ball.

Most of his goals are unimpressive too.

At least Griff takes contested grabs, contributes to inside 50's and generally makes much better decisions with the ball in hand.  His kicking breaks zones too. And he chases and tackles too.

FFS open your eyes BJ - cheap goals are not a good measuring stick!
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2014, 11:44:03 PM »
What's griff done at sen level, someone recap I must have blinked and missed it, he can barely chalk up more than 7-8 possessions and beyond taking marks over Eddie betts types has proved next to useless when clutching marks i50. TV kicks goals even when stinking it up. He s 10 times the player griff is right now, fact ...don't get me started in Hampson , he should be out of the team

and when does TV get more than 7-8 possessions? This season Tyrone averages 7 touches a game, (Id say that would just about be his career average too), Griff  this season averages 10 and lays over 4 tackles a game, plus takes his fair share of contested grabs, yeah he needs to get better but he's has had a far bigger impact on games than Ty whose been nothing but a passenger. Has been downright disgraceful the way hes performed