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Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching

Michael Gleeson
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May 3, 2016


Six weeks ago, this was not a list that had been patched up to rescue the club from danger. It was not a list pieced together with just enough Moneyball retreads to keep the ravenous Tiger from eating its own.

This was not a list the club thought they had built to only get them this far. It was a list the club felt was readying to win a final this year. It was not a premiership list yet but it was closing on being one, we were assured.

At the end of the year the club asked itself whether Damien Hardwick was the man to take them the next step. They decided he was. The review was predicated on a belief the team was ready to go that next step. If Richmond felt it was a list that was anything other than ready to advance, more should have been done in trading, drafting and messaging.

Richmond's problems at the moment are manifold. Deficiencies in their playing list are a significant one. It sounded thin to talk now after three years of finals and the selling of hope that the rebuild was desperately contrived.

Then president Gary March and chief executive Brendon Gale, who was there from the start of the rebuilding of the club, spoke in 2010 of a patient long-term strategy, not of a concern to placate impatient fans.

The 3-0-75 plan was a road map to righting the entire club and putting it on a path to sustained success – wipe out debt, build membership and regularly play finals in the first five years. The addendum was that three flags would hopefully follow within 10 years if the club was to achieve its goal of returning to greatness. Good clubs won one flag but great ones won three. Richmond had planned for greatness not for … well, this.

Richmond are correct in asserting that they suffered from the arrival of the expansion clubs. No club was hurt more than Richmond. The win by GWS over Hawthorn at the weekend only reinforced what Richmond was denied. Players Richmond might have had access to but went north instead are reaching their peak.

Richmond should have got pick two in the 2010 draft but got pick six instead after Gold Coast had their turns. That they took Reece Conca instead of Tom Lynch, Dyson Heppell or Jack Darling falls on them, and all of the clubs who bypassed these players. Conca is not as good as these players, but his run is something the Tigers desperately miss.

In 2011 Richmond kept their first pick but still GWS had 11 selections before the Tigers got their first. Instead of pick 4 Richmond had pick 15. They took Brandon Ellis – who is coming on as a player – but might otherwise have been able to pick Chad Wingard, Toby Greene or Devon Smith. That smarts.

In bringing in older players Richmond have kept early draft picks. Those picks have not been as early as they should have been but they kept them. The players they chose have not all been right – no clubs' are – but they went to the draft. Nick Vlastuin showed a lot last year but has struggled this year before injury. Ben Lennon is not in the side.

Few of the older top-ups cost Richmond in draft terms. Shaun Grigg was traded for Andrew Collins, who is playing in the Loddon Valley. Bachar Houli was a pre-season draft pick. Ivan Maric was traded for pick 37. Ricky Petterd was a rookie, Troy Chaplin and Chris Knights were free agents.

The one to make them wince was the Shaun Hampson trade. It looked good on paper – an athletic ruck who could go forward – but he had injuries, doesn't mark the ball around the ground nor have an impact forward. That he was brought in for pick 28 which was on-traded and became rising star Lewis Taylor is embarrassing for Richmond ... and Carlton.

Richmond have known the deficiencies in their list but have been unable to source the players to fix them through the draft or trades.  No ready-to-go ruck was brought in over the summer.

In recent off-seasons they chased Jack Trengove, David Armitage, Stephen Motlop, Dan Hannebery and last year Adam Treloar but for various reasons did not land them. They got Chris Yarran last year but he is yet to be sighted. Six weeks ago it was not a patched-up list but it definitely now needs patching – or more – to finally get where the roadmap was sending them.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/recovery-session-six-weeks-ago-nobody-thought-tigers-list-needed-patching-20160502-gokf0o.html

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 12:37:23 PM »
Except the fans!

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 12:41:02 PM »
LMAO at having a female president from the USA.

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 12:54:34 PM »
If nobody knew, how come half the posters on here knew?

Stuffing fools. Couldnt build a successful local footy club let alone an afl level one
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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 01:01:06 PM »
If nobody knew, how come half the posters on here knew?

Stuffing fools. Couldnt build a successful local footy club let alone an afl level one

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 01:04:19 PM »
Rose coloured glasses bridage have been less vocal in recent weeks
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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 02:38:22 PM »
Much like many of the emo's when we were winning the past few years. Also LOL at some posters jumping on board late and claiming they've known it for a long time :lol

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 02:40:04 PM »
Much like many of the emo's when we were winning the past few years. Also LOL at some posters jumping on board late and claiming they've known it for a long time :lol

If only there was a way to go back and Cheak what people said at a past date
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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2016, 02:53:36 PM »
Much like many of the emo's when we were winning the past few years. Also LOL at some posters jumping on board late and claiming they've known it for a long time :lol

If only there was a way to go back and Cheak what people said at a past date

Who has the time

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 05:00:20 PM »
Much like many of the emo's when we were winning the past few years. Also LOL at some posters jumping on board late and claiming they've known it for a long time :lol

If only there was a way to go back and Cheak what people said at a past date

Who has the time

Plus who cares, its pretty safe to assume most are chicken littles

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 05:20:18 PM »
Biggest black hole at the club is the coach.  Sucks everyone else into his vortex of badness.

Get rid of him and then see which players perform.

Incredibly hard to judge the list when your midfield is carrying the slowsters of Maric, Hampson, Vickery, Chaplin, Astbury, Lloyd and an injured Riewoldt.

How can the running players possibly be competitive when there are always three opposition players free at every contest.  All you harvest from that is a survival induced squib factor.

We could get away with playing Astbury and an injured Riewoldt in the same team, as long as the rest of the players we bring in can run.  No matter how much he squibs, Vickery has to ruck.  We can't afford him lolling around in the forward line and we don't have a replacement ruck option.

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2016, 05:30:24 PM »
Biggest black hole at the club is the coach.  Sucks everyone else into his vortex of badness.

Get rid of him and then see which players perform.

Incredibly hard to judge the list when your midfield is carrying the slowsters of Maric, Hampson, Vickery, Chaplin, Astbury, Lloyd and an injured Riewoldt.

How can the running players possibly be competitive when there are always three opposition players free at every contest.  All you harvest from that is a survival induced squib factor.

We could get away with playing Astbury and an injured Riewoldt in the same team, as long as the rest of the players we bring in can run.  No matter how much he squibs, Vickery has to ruck.  We can't afford him lolling around in the forward line and we don't have a replacement ruck option.

Vickery barely has the enery to kit up in the changerooms let alone ruck.

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2016, 08:34:08 PM »
Vickery barely has the enery to kit up in the changerooms let alone ruck.

Couldn't possibly argue with that. 

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Re: Six weeks ago, nobody thought Tigers' list needed patching (Age)
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 03:50:59 PM »

 - Rance grimes yarren astbury vlastuin cantstandya
 - Cotchin martin Edwards miles c Ellis Maric
 - Jack deledio rioli McBean butler chol

Menadue
Mcintosh
Lambert
Lennon


My view is the list is pretty strong at the top end and there some ok kids we generally don't play. There are several glaring holes which I find remarkable they have let it come to this over the last four seasons of list management. Ruck, KdP specially.

new list manager type people, senior coach, some new assistant coach.

Zac Clark and Hurley would obviously be a good start

The crap dan Richardson speaks is mind boggling
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