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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2016, 11:06:33 AM »
Lennon's the best kick on our list... :shh

debatable given the sample size of afl kicks he's had in his career is almost non-existant

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2016, 02:09:22 PM »
Not that debatable when you consider our list.....
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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2016, 02:27:42 PM »
Welcome to tigerland Ben Darrou...no, my mistake, Daryl Bratthwaite.   Solid one on one defender that cant kick...its groundhog day at tigerland. Thought we updated the recruiting strategy
He has an awkward kicking action but hits his targets. Disposal efficiency was over 70% IIRC.

Yes in the U18s he can get it to his targets. Lets see how he hits his targets in the big time.  That drop of the ball to boot will be tested to the max when the speed of the game goes up 10 fold.
I don't expect a superstar at pick 72. Give the boy a chance because he seems to have the most important quality - a will to do well.

Our recruiters must be geniuses then, if they found a kid in the draft with this rare quality.   The kid has got his chance, I just dont like thinking that 2 of the 3 draftees are like ground hog days. Go in, good in the clinches all that usual stuff and we have ended up with Matt Thomas's and Townsends etc..why did FJ have any say in this draft is what concerns me.


FJ is employed by the club so of course he has a say in who we draft.

I will let you in on a little secret and that being he is not the only recruitment officer employee of the club :shh

M. Clarke is now the overall chief and has the support of the following:
Luke Williams, Richard Taylor, FJ, B. Hartley and a host of support staff in each state contribute as a team to rank and select talent they believe fits in with what the coaching panel require.

Further to this, N. Balme and D. Richardson are involved to a lesser degree.

All in all the above would have many robust discussions on players as we all like and see different traits in players but overall, it is a team (group) decision.

We have made a lot of changes within the club recently so lets try and back them in for once :thumbsup

What??  the only name that is new in that is Balme, The rest have all been there for 3 years and failed dismally
Very true a shuffling of the deck chairs on the titanic is considered change at tigerland where keeping the status quoe is everything.Of course we forget most  decisions about the f/d were made before Balme even got there!!!!! 
Besides when the club says this is Fine eyes last draft in charge do i then just take it for granted that they are lieing. HHHHAAARRRGGHHHHHHHH

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2016, 04:25:52 PM »
Not that debatable when you consider our list.....

And you watch his few kicks he has had that are clearly better than what most deliver

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2016, 04:35:08 PM »
Welcome to tigerland Ben Darrou...no, my mistake, Daryl Bratthwaite.   Solid one on one defender that cant kick...its groundhog day at tigerland. Thought we updated the recruiting strategy
He has an awkward kicking action but hits his targets. Disposal efficiency was over 70% IIRC.

Yes in the U18s he can get it to his targets. Lets see how he hits his targets in the big time.  That drop of the ball to boot will be tested to the max when the speed of the game goes up 10 fold.
I don't expect a superstar at pick 72. Give the boy a chance because he seems to have the most important quality - a will to do well.

Our recruiters must be geniuses then, if they found a kid in the draft with this rare quality.   The kid has got his chance, I just dont like thinking that 2 of the 3 draftees are like ground hog days. Go in, good in the clinches all that usual stuff and we have ended up with Matt Thomas's and Townsends etc..why did FJ have any say in this draft is what concerns me.


FJ is employed by the club so of course he has a say in who we draft.

I will let you in on a little secret and that being he is not the only recruitment officer employee of the club :shh

M. Clarke is now the overall chief and has the support of the following:
Luke Williams, Richard Taylor, FJ, B. Hartley and a host of support staff in each state contribute as a team to rank and select talent they believe fits in with what the coaching panel require.

Further to this, N. Balme and D. Richardson are involved to a lesser degree.

All in all the above would have many robust discussions on players as we all like and see different traits in players but overall, it is a team (group) decision.

We have made a lot of changes within the club recently so lets try and back them in for once :thumbsup

What??  the only name that is new in that is Balme, The rest have all been there for 3 years and failed dismally
Very true a shuffling of the deck chairs on the titanic is considered change at tigerland where keeping the status quoe is everything.Of course we forget most  decisions about the f/d were made before Balme even got there!!!!! 
Besides when the club says this is Fine eyes last draft in charge do i then just take it for granted that they are lieing. HHHHAAARRRGGHHHHHHHH

I am at a loss to understand what moving FJ to a part time capacity after this year is all about?  I mean, they say that his input was needed this year because of the timing, but come on FFS, if the rest were doing what they suppose to,, surely the club could have escorted FJ to the exit door and said, thanks for your input, we will be in touch if we need it anymore.   Its as if the club is tied to FJ because we shafted him and Teasedale to South back when we paid the universe for Pitura.

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2016, 09:05:11 PM »
Welcome to tigerland Ben Darrou...no, my mistake, Daryl Bratthwaite.   Solid one on one defender that cant kick...its groundhog day at tigerland. Thought we updated the recruiting strategy
He has an awkward kicking action but hits his targets. Disposal efficiency was over 70% IIRC.

Yes in the U18s he can get it to his targets. Lets see how he hits his targets in the big time.  That drop of the ball to boot will be tested to the max when the speed of the game goes up 10 fold.
I don't expect a superstar at pick 72. Give the boy a chance because he seems to have the most important quality - a will to do well.

Our recruiters must be geniuses then, if they found a kid in the draft with this rare quality.   The kid has got his chance, I just dont like thinking that 2 of the 3 draftees are like ground hog days. Go in, good in the clinches all that usual stuff and we have ended up with Matt Thomas's and Townsends etc..why did FJ have any say in this draft is what concerns me.


FJ is employed by the club so of course he has a say in who we draft.

I will let you in on a little secret and that being he is not the only recruitment officer employee of the club :shh

M. Clarke is now the overall chief and has the support of the following:
Luke Williams, Richard Taylor, FJ, B. Hartley and a host of support staff in each state contribute as a team to rank and select talent they believe fits in with what the coaching panel require.

Further to this, N. Balme and D. Richardson are involved to a lesser degree.

All in all the above would have many robust discussions on players as we all like and see different traits in players but overall, it is a team (group) decision.

We have made a lot of changes within the club recently so lets try and back them in for once :thumbsup

What??  the only name that is new in that is Balme, The rest have all been there for 3 years and failed dismally
Very true a shuffling of the deck chairs on the titanic is considered change at tigerland where keeping the status quoe is everything.Of course we forget most  decisions about the f/d were made before Balme even got there!!!!! 
Besides when the club says this is Fine eyes last draft in charge do i then just take it for granted that they are lieing. HHHHAAARRRGGHHHHHHHH


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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2016, 02:29:55 AM »
Garthwaite gains strong seal of approval

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29 November 2016


Richmond’s third pick in the 2016 AFL National Draft, tall defender Ryan Garthwaite, is extremely highly regarded by those who have closely watched his football development at both TAC Cup level with the Murray Bushrangers and as a member of the GWS Academy.

“He's been a really well-performed player over two years now,” said Murray Bushrangers talent manager Lee Fraser.

“We rate him as a great one-on-one defender.

“I can't think of a time where he's been beaten, to be honest.

“He's taken on and beaten some of the best forwards in the competition this year, and he did it as a 17-year-old as well.

“He had to overcome a few injuries early in the year, so he missed a bit of nationals with NSW, but he played for the Allies and was really good.

“He's one of the most coachable kids you'd ever meet, a really steady kind of kid.

“The players love playing with him and he's just continued to work really hard at everything he does.”

AFL NSW/ACT Head of Talent, Darren Denneman, was similarly bullish about Garthwaite and his AFL football prospects at Tigerland . . .

“I love him,” Denneman said.

“People criticise his kicking, but I think they base that more on what it looks like than how effective it is. 

“Aesthetically, he's not the nicest kick, but he has a reasonably good efficiency rate. 

“He defends first and rarely gets beaten. 

“He can play on ‘talls’ and ‘smalls’, so he's quite versatile in that way. 

“He has a lot of upside because he does defend first and knows how to do that instinctively.

“Once he puts on some genuine upper body side, he'll be even harder to compete against one-on- one.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-11-29/garthwaite-gains-strong-seal-of-approval

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2016, 06:45:12 PM »
Less injury prone Grimes?

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2016, 06:03:53 PM »
It’s ‘Summer Love’ for ‘Daryl’ with the Tigers

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2 December 2016


Richmond’s third selection in the 2016 AFL National Draft, tall defender Ryan Garthwaite, tells ‘Roar Vision’ how he’s settled into his new football home at Tigerland . . .

Patiently waiting on draft night

“On draft night, I was at home with the family and the girlfriend, watching it on TV, just hoping for the name to get read out.  Getting down to the end of the draft, and you’re thinking, am I going to go, am I not?  And my name got read out, pick 72 to the Tigers . . . the house went off from there. It’s an amazing feeling, given the opportunity, and (I’ll) definitely make the most of it.”

His playing style


“I’m a rebounding-type defender . . . marking, kicking.  Just creating that rebound, shutting down my man, and doing my job for the team.”

Learning valuable lessons at Tigerland

“‘Truck’ (backline coach Ben Rutten) and (Justin) Leppitsch (assistant coach) have been pretty good.  I haven’t done a lot with them yet, but I can’t wait to just learn everything that they know, with their footy calibre.  It’s amazing . . . I couldn’t ask for a better club to come to.  All of them are talented footballers, great blokes, and great people to learn off.  This morning ‘Rancey’ (Alex Rance) was helping me with body spoils and kicking and everything.  So it’s been amazing.  I’ve already learned a lot here in the first few days.”

Nicknames aplenty already


“I’ve got heaps of them.  Jack Riewoldt came up with ‘Daryl’, after Daryl Braithwaite.  ‘Meno’ (Connor Menadue) came up with ‘Garth Vader’.  Probably more to come as well.”

Goals for pre-season and season 2017


“My goals over the pre-season will be to put on a bit more weight, a bit more upper-body strength, look a bit bigger.  I like my endurance running, so, obviously, to get a good ‘tank’ going . . . Then, on to the season, play my footy, earn the respect of the Club and, hopefully, have a good 2017 campaign.”

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-12-02/its-summer-love-for-daryl-with-the-tigers

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2016, 07:39:50 PM »
This morning ‘Rancey’ (Alex Rance) was helping me with body spoils and kicking and everything. 

Jinkies :gobdrop

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2016, 10:02:29 PM »
This morning ‘Rancey’ (Alex Rance) was helping me with body spoils and kicking and everything. 

Jinkies :gobdrop
Nothing wrong with unbridled enthusiasm, good luck to him and enjoy the passion

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2016, 01:14:04 AM »
No doubt and to be fair, Rance's kicking isn't too shabby it's more his decision making. Nevertheless he should be speaking to Lennon :shh

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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2016, 09:14:03 AM »
Do you want him to leave? :huh
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Re: Pick 72. Ryan Garthwaite
« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2016, 05:36:18 PM »
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Tall Defender | Murray Bushrangers/NSW-ACT/Allies
10/09/1998 | 192cm | 80kg

Player comparison: Lachie Henderson


Snapshot:

Ryan Garthwaite is an interesting prospect who has had his fair share of injuries early on in the season, but has bounced back to finish the year with plenty to like. While his unconventional kicking style is probably the most awkward I have ever seen, it is effective and so are most of his defensive traits.

Garthwaite plays the role as a third tall, rebounding defender who will often peel off his man and spread to find space and relaunch from the defensive 50. While not overly strong, Garthwaite is good overhead and will back himself against most forwards one-on-one.

His greatest strength is his ability to read the play from the back 50 and position himself in the right spot nearly all the time. An example came in the finals series against Oakleigh Chargers where he was manning up against Patrick Kerr deep in defence. As the only two in the forward 50, the kick came in and Kerr headed back towards goal. Instead of following his man, Garthwaite judged the ball drop perfectly, standing 10 metres forward of his opponent, taking the mark and then playing on to rebound it back out. It told me that he is not afraid to leave his opponent if he feels he can have an impact otherwise.

Garthwaite’s disposal is also quite effective, with 71 per cent of his kicks in the TAC Cup hitting targets, with an overall disposal efficiency of 74.4 per cent. Most draft watchers will wonder how because of his awkward kicking style that almost has to be seen to be believed, but it is effective, so whatever works.

Garthwaite is also not afraid to kick long, with a 50/50 split between long and short kicks in the TAC Cup this season. He ended the season averaging 16.6 disposals and 6.5 marks per game. While he headed into the season with a number of injury niggles, he was still able to test in the TAC Cup pre-season and while he recorded an above average beep test of 14.2, he recorded a well below average agility test of 8.8 seconds and poor standing vertical jump of 56 centimetres.

It is no surprise that agility and vertical leap are the two biggest improvements that Garthwaite should look to build on, whether that means changing a style or if his injury niggles have held him back early in the season.

Overall, the tall defender is a prospect that will go somewhere in the early stages of the National Draft, and while there are still improvements to be made, he certainly has a good base to work with going forward.

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Strengths:

    Reading of the play
    One-on-ones
    Disposal
    Good overhead


Garthwaite is a reliable tall defender who is not afraid to peel off his opponent and take a team-first approach. His reading of the play and subsequent positioning is one of the best in the draft pool, while his disposal and strength overhead is very impressive as well.

Firstly, his reading of the play and positioning is the first aspect that jumps out at me. He is very intelligent at reading the ball in flight and positioning himself, regardless of the situation or pressure he is under. He assesses the situation and will calculate his best move to make at that point in time.

While not as developed as some tall defenders, he does not try and engage in an armwrestle too often, but in those situations will opt for a spoil rather than attempt a mark. When one-on-one, if Garthwaite can get clear, he will try and drop into the hole to take an uncontested mark and slow play down and switch play to the other side of the ground. Often, you will see Garthwaite waiting for the receive in the back pocket, then raking it forward to the wing where he will more often than not hit a target.

His much talked about kicking style, while needing improving is working for him, so he might as well stick with it until he is coached otherwise. A long range kick, Garthwaite balances the need between short and long kicks, hitting the target three quarters of the time. While not the most penetrating of kicks, he can gain distance and is a clever kick of the football, putting it to his teammates’ advantage regularly.

Finally his ability to win the ball overhead and rarely drop a mark is quite impressive. Averaging a contested mark a game in the TAC Cup, Garthwaite became an impenetrable force at times and was a key cog in the Murray Bushrangers’ defence. If he can continue his development at AFL level, he will be a valued member of any side in the competition.

Improvements:


    Kicking style
    Vertical leap
    Agility


There is no doubting his kicking style needs improving, but it is hard to fault that it gets results. While I say the style works stick with it, he will no doubt be coached ways of altering it because to try and summarise, he has the rare double-hand ball drop. The double-hand ball drop is okay if you are in space or kicking off from a mark, but in a contested situation such as AFL level when the pressure is immense, sometimes you do not have the luxury of having both arms free. If an opponent pins an arm in a tackle, while a concern for anyone, would be more so for Garthwaite as it interrupts his usual ball drop.

Secondly, his vertical leap is an area to work on, because he is on the lower end of that scale. It has not seemed to impact him greatly and can be disguised because of his strength overhead, but he might struggle against the high flyers of the AFL. It is a bit odd in the sense that Garthwaite has the build of a player that is quite mobile and while his endurance is right up there with the best, both his vertical leap and agility are quite low. This could be a result of the frustrating injuries earlier in the season and we might get a better idea in the early seasons of his career.

While his spread is quite good – getting from one place to another quickly – his agility is a hindrance. All it means is that Garthwaite is unlikely to be able to sidestep an opponent and not get caught, so the likelihood is that he will need to dispose of the ball quickly rather than dance around a forward.

Highlights:
https://youtu.be/NlzDsNbO8xk

Summary:

Ryan Garthwaite is one of only a few taller defenders in the draft that could go early. While most of the others are more lockdown defenders or athletic versatile movers, Garthwaite is the intercept tall defender. It adds a point of difference to his game and while he is a Greater Western Sydney Academy kid, there is no guarantee he will land there. With so many of the Giants’ academy prospects in this draft, it will be interesting to see who they take and who they pass on.

Regardless of whether he ends up in Blacktown or not, Garthwaite will find an AFL home and with a few tweaks to his game a little time in the gym, expect him to continue his upward trajectory to become a very solid AFL player.

https://afldraftcentral.com.au/player/ryan-garthwaite/