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Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up

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Marc McGowan
Feb 19, 2019


IS THIS the set of numbers that might convince Richmond to risk sending prized recruit Tom Lynch into the ruck?

Statistics from the 2019 AFL Prospectus reveal no team will need to adapt more to the compulsory 6-6-6 centre-bounce set-up than the Tigers, who used that formation just 3.4 per cent of the time last year.

Richmond's 2017 Grand Final opponent, Adelaide (4.4 per cent), was the only other club below 10 per cent.

Brisbane (67.9 per cent), Collingwood (64.9), Gold Coast (64.9), Western Bulldogs (64.8 ) and Essendon (60.5) led the way in using 6-6-6, with the Pies the sole finalist among them.

Lynch serving as a centre-bounce back-up would be the Tigers waving the white flag on the Shaun Grigg experiment, accepting the undersized route won't work under the new conditions.

Another Richmond option, according to a rival AFL club's opposition scout, would be for the 2017 premier to hand Toby Nankervis a monopoly on the centre bounce.

"If the knee Lynch's got the (injury) issue with is his jumping knee, you'd have to be wary of that," the opposition analyst told AFL.com.au.

"But you'd have to consider it, because Grigg in there with no protection off the back of the square is a recipe for disaster.

"Can you imagine Max Gawn against Shaun Grigg? That's going in Melbourne's forward 50 straight away. They were worried enough to put two off the back of the square last year.

"They could keep Nankervis out there for as long as possible.

"So Nankervis rucks, then goes forward, and Grigg replaces him as their around-the-ground ruckman – you'd do that – but that's still a big workload for Grigg and Nankervis."

'The Nank' already contested the fourth-most centre bounces last year (557), behind only Brodie Grundy (625), Gawn (612) and Todd Goldstein (563).

However, Nankervis ranked only 14th in the competition for average hitouts among players with double-digit appearances – and his value takes a slight hit with the rule changes, too.

There are even repercussions for Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin, whose tendency to 'cheat' forward, knowing he had protection the other way, may not be a worthwhile risk now.

Champion Data analysed 2800 centre bounces from last season and found that four formations accounted for 88 per cent of set-ups from that sample, with 6-6-6 the most common (42 per cent).

The other three popular formations, in order of defenders-midfielders-forwards, were 7-6-5 (39 per cent), 6-7-5 (4 per cent) and 8-6-4 (3 per cent).

How did your club set up at centre bounces in 2018?


CLUB                8-6-4      7-6-5      6-7-5       6-6-6        OTHER
Adelaide           29.2%    48.7%      0.7%        4.4%       17.0%
Brisbane             0.3%     7.6%      3.3%       67.9%       20.9%
Carlton               2.4%    30.7%     5.1%       43.9%       17.8%
Collingwood        0.6%    27.6%     2.1%       64.9%         4.9%
Essendon            0.3%    27.0%     3.6%       60.5%         8.7%
Fremantle           1.1%    48.4%     9.0%       25.8%       15.8%
Geelong              0.7%    33.1%     1.8%       53.7%       10.7%
Gold Coast          0.0%    20.1%     2.8%       64.9%       12.2%
GWS Giants         6.3%   51.1%      2.8%       36.4%        3.4%
Hawthorn            1.4%    38.3%     5.9%       43.9%       10.5%
Melbourne           1.3%    62.5%     1.6%       24.3%       10.2%
North Melbourne  1.6%    60.6%     1.6%       10.6%       25.7%
Port Adelaide       3.4%    48.5%     5.1%       30.8%       12.2%
Richmond          11.5%    71.1%     1.3%         3.4%       12.8%
St Kilda               1.9%    35.6%     7.7%       48.7%         6.1%
Sydney                1.1%    49.3%    4.3%        35.5%         9.8%
West Coast          0.8%    30.8%   10.5%        53.2%        4.6%
Western Bulldogs 0.9%    20.5%     0.9%        64.8%       12.8%

Competition ave.  3.1%   38.5%     4.1%        42.1%        12.2%

    Statistics courtesy 2019 AFL Prospectus

The Tigers, on the other hand, preferred the 7-6-5 approach at a whopping 71 per cent of centre bounces – the highest percentage in any formation – while devoting 11.5 per cent to 8-6-4.

They weren't an offensive juggernaut in the latter set-up from pure clearances (scoring just 13 per cent of the time), but that doesn't tell the full story.

Richmond won more than half those centre clearances, which typically involved two players stampeding off the back of the square, and did not concede a single point in Champion Data's sample.

Kane Lambert was the Tigers' go-to man for that role, along with Shane Edwards, Daniel Rioli and Jason Castagna.

The Tigers also become a turnover-forcing menace in this mode, punishing opposition giveaways with a score 18 per cent of the time – triple the competition average.

This tactic won't be available for coach Damien Hardwick this year.

"It will have an impact on them and they will have to adjust some of their game strategies, but they still have (Trent) Cotchin, Martin, Edwards and those guys at the centre bounce," the scout said.

"It's probably not quite as big a change as putting Tom Lynch in, but that's still two big changes – two things that impact the way they play.

"They can't roll out what they did in 2017 and expect to win a flag in 2019, because their list is a little different and their depth is completely gone, to get Tom Lynch in."

Anyone interested in buying a copy of this year's AFL Prospectus can go to shop.championdata.com.au or find it at selected newsagents

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-19/why-666-rule-could-force-tigers-into-a-radical-shakeup

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2019, 02:12:45 PM »
5. Starting positions

The rule which has been most discussed will have the least impact on the game. Put simply, there are only 30-odd centre bounces in a game, and once the ball is bounced starting positions mean nothing.

There will be times where a team would like to stack its defensive 50; a bottom four team getting trounced by a premiership contender, or a team being up by less than a goal with 30 seconds to play.

The former could be considered collateral damage – games which were previously decided by eight goals might look more like ten or 12 goal losses because the weaker team can’t park the bus at centre bounces. The latter could be considered the regulation of uncertainty and chaos, and most will be fine with that.

You can see why this one will have a muted impact. It will certainly impact those teams which ran with an extra man or two off the back of the square more frequently. That same AFL Media piece linked above suggested Adelaide and Richmond went with the new regulated set up just 4.4 per cent and 3.4 per cent of the time in 2018, preferring instead 7-6-5 at their standard look.

Note: the Crows and Tigers are coached by two of the best coaches in the league, and I know from experience Adelaide has an outstanding back office team looking at game analysis. They’ll be fine.

https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/02/21/how-2019s-afl-rule-changes-will-play-out-on-the-field/

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 07:46:19 PM »
If the 6-6-6 rule forces us into a radical shake-up, it could be a great thing for us.

We won a flag with a radical shake-up that gave us a clear edge over the competition.

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 08:33:58 PM »
Reported as if it’s a surprise and we haven’t been planning and training for it all preseason  :lol :shh ::)

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Stick with gameplans despite new rules, Rance urges (afl site)
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2019, 05:36:37 PM »
Stick with gameplans despite new rules, Rance urges

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Feb 22, 2019


THE NEW rules are on the minds of many in the AFL, but champion Richmond defender Alex Rance wants to ensure his side doesn't "throw the baby out with the bathwater".

There's been plenty of winning for the Tigers since the start of 2017, having gone 33-11 in that time, including a flag.

They used the 6-6-6 formation that will now be compulsory at centre bounces just 3.4 per cent of the time last year, however Rance doesn't want to see an overhaul of the gameplan.

"We know that the season we had last year and the last couple of seasons have been based around football in general, not so much just umpiring decisions and things like that," Rance said on Friday.

"When these rules come in, I think it's important not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and rejig gameplans, because at the end of day, I think football always regresses back to that point of just playing the game."

The 29-year-old is enjoying the new rules, particularly allowing hands in the back.

"I really like what they've done. They make sense, especially the hands in the back, being able to place your hands in the back to hold your ground," Rance said.

"(Forearm in the back) was an awkward way to get into a contest. Now it's far more natural."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-22/stick-with-gameplan-despite-new-rules-rance-urges

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2019, 04:56:11 PM »
Tigers weigh up transforming premiership game plan

Jon Pierik
The Age
23 Feb 2019


The new 6-6-6 ruling, which requires teams to have six players in both their forward and defensive arcs and six in the midfield at centre bounces, means teams will be at a disadvantage if they are regularly beaten out of the middle. Therefore, the need for a back-up specialist ruck has heightened, meaning the Tigers could field two more big men.

Justin Leppitsch, a premiership assistant coach with the Tigers, said on Saturday the coaches were considering all options.

"There will almost be another one again to our original structure, if we have a second ruckman, as well as Tom Lynch," he said.

"It will be a challenge but we will look at everything. We will look at any possibilities to get the result on the weekend – if it works. If it doesn't, we will, obviously, keep our small system."

That system was built on having Josh Caddy as a medium-sized marking target beside Riewoldt, and surrounding that pair with smaller, hard-running and high-pressure types who could kick goals or at least lock the ball inside 50.

After completing an intra-club clash at Punt Rd, Leppitsch said playing four talls would have an impact on selection and positions, particularly in terms of the four-man bench.

"What it will effect more than anything if you have four talls, if you go from two to four, is your bench – how much run you get through your team," he said.

"It will affect how many minutes Caddy plays forward or mid, it will affect [Jack] Higgins [as a] forward or mid, it will affect things like that. Do you carry a seventh defender or do you play another mid? All those things, questions get asked.

"It does affect the on-ground a little bit but it also affects your flexibility in your team and what you can do on the day. It has to be a week-to-week call but, like anything, if it's a dominant big man forward, it might change your philosophy. If there is no dominant big man, what's the point of having him? We have all sorts of those conversations all the time."

The Tigers are confident Lynch, who did not play in the intra-club match but ran laps beforehand, will be that dominant big man alongside Riewoldt when he has fully recovered from knee surgery, which restricted him to 10 games last year and has him in doubt for round one next month.

He could pinch-hit in the ruck but Ivan Saldo will be Nankervis' specialist back-up, if the Tigers head down that path.

Saldo and Nankervis were on the same side in the intra-club clash, and alternated between the centre square and forward line.

Leppitsch said the 6-6-6 ruling almost certainly meant a specialist ruck would be needed for centre bounces.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/tall-order-tigers-consider-game-plan-switch-20190223-p50zsk.html

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2019, 12:31:28 AM »
"If the ball is going to come out the front, it's not going to help if you have a shorter ruckman unless there are other mechanisms [and] we try to clog it up again. There is more than just one coming off the back of the square that you can do.

"There are a lot of adjustments because there are more forwards in your forward 50 but there is less congestion around the stoppage but more congestion when you actually get it in there, so the congestion is just moving from one side of the ground to the other. The backs – it's probably as not a bad a thing because you have more numbers around, more support.

"Forwards, there is more numbers in there to pressure. It's going to be interesting to see how it develops, whether it's going to be a better goal-scoring source or it's just going to create more stoppages in the front half. We'll wait and see."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tall-order-tigers-consider-game-plan-switch-20190223-p50zsk.html

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2019, 11:13:02 AM »
More flow, less clutter: who will benefit from new AFL rules

Daniel Cherny
The Age
24 Feb 2019


The "6-6-6" rule for centre bounces

Our take on the new rule

The 6-6-6 rule is probably the most dramatic of the changes. It means players are placed into zones at the start of every quarter and every goal. Notwithstanding the rules preventing more than four players from starting in the second square, one of the most distinctive elements of football has been that players are allowed to roam the field, in contrast to other codes.

It must be stressed that once the ball has been bounced, players can run around freely so there is nothing stopping teams from putting a player behind the ball as soon as they are allowed to.

The rationale behind the rule is to open up forward lines, and maximise the chances of old-fashioned one-on-one battles inside forward 50.

One AFL club’s assistant coach suggested that scores from centre bounces would increase, and that the rule would make it harder to defend.

Who could benefit?

This should, in theory, benefit players who are strong contested marks in one-on-ones. St Kilda’s Paddy McCartin looms as the type of forward who could be helped by the rule as he is more likely to be afforded space.

Read more: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/more-flow-less-clutter-who-will-benefit-from-new-afl-rules-20190220-p50z4h.html

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2019, 10:28:17 PM »
For those who saw the game, how noticeable were the new rules on our game?

33 scoring shots to just 21 and around 60 inside 50s suggests they didn't affect us detrimentally.

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2019, 11:00:58 PM »
For those who saw the game, how noticeable were the new rules on our game?

33 scoring shots to just 21 and around 60 inside 50s suggests they didn't affect us detrimentally.

Made little difference to be honest

What I did notice was one of our  wingers didn't start on the centre wing, one started at the near the back corner of the square
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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2019, 12:42:01 AM »
For those who saw the game, how noticeable were the new rules on our game?

33 scoring shots to just 21 and around 60 inside 50s suggests they didn't affect us detrimentally.

Made little difference to be honest

What I did notice was one of our  wingers didn't start on the centre wing, one started at the near the back corner of the square
That makes sense. It would enable us to still have an extra behind the ball. Effectively playing a 7-5-6.
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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2019, 02:24:49 AM »
For those who saw the game, how noticeable were the new rules on our game?

33 scoring shots to just 21 and around 60 inside 50s suggests they didn't affect us detrimentally.

Made little difference to be honest

What I did notice was one of our  wingers didn't start on the centre wing, one started at the near the back corner of the square

Yeah, the wingers positioning basically off HB made it seem like little had changed.

I thought the rules might have actually helped us a bit. Hard to be really certain in a preseason game, but I thought our forward line pace inside 50 looked more potent. I have often wondered why the opposition, when they know how we thrive on creating turnovers and winning the contest I50 for goals, play extra players back. It is kind of counterintuitive, because more defenders makes the creation of contests easier and limits options up the ground making turnovers coming out of defence more likely.

But watching today's game made me understand why teams like extra defenders against us. Because the alternative is getting cut apart by the pace of our small forwards with our players up the ground simply kicking to space rather than a contest. What is really scary for the opposition is how well our talls move in the forward half as well. Riewoldt and Balta move very nicely for big guys, and Lynch does too.

One other thing I thought stood out in todays game was the way Broad played and how important he might be for us this season. He has his detractors, but he plays that space filling role by constantly gut running to fill holes very well. He was superb in that regard today, and I thought he had quite an influence on the game. 



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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2019, 12:02:17 PM »
For those who saw the game, how noticeable were the new rules on our game?

33 scoring shots to just 21 and around 60 inside 50s suggests they didn't affect us detrimentally.

Made little difference to be honest

What I did notice was one of our  wingers didn't start on the centre wing, one started at the near the back corner of the square

Yeah, the wingers positioning basically off HB made it seem like little had changed.

I thought the rules might have actually helped us a bit. Hard to be really certain in a preseason game, but I thought our forward line pace inside 50 looked more potent. I have often wondered why the opposition, when they know how we thrive on creating turnovers and winning the contest I50 for goals, play extra players back. It is kind of counterintuitive, because more defenders makes the creation of contests easier and limits options up the ground making turnovers coming out of defence more likely.

But watching today's game made me understand why teams like extra defenders against us. Because the alternative is getting cut apart by the pace of our small forwards with our players up the ground simply kicking to space rather than a contest. What is really scary for the opposition is how well our talls move in the forward half as well. Riewoldt and Balta move very nicely for big guys, and Lynch does too.

One other thing I thought stood out in todays game was the way Broad played and how important he might be for us this season. He has his detractors, but he plays that space filling role by constantly gut running to fill holes very well. He was superb in that regard today, and I thought he had quite an influence on the game.

Really disagree regarding broad although he definitely improved in the 4th quarter. There was one play where he broke from half back and had an easy kick to a number of our players at half forward and he split it between them and killed the momentum. I think once Lynch comes into the forward line balta may find himself taking broads spot as he is already showing to be a much better kick and stronger mark.

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2019, 12:18:03 PM »
For those who saw the game, how noticeable were the new rules on our game?

33 scoring shots to just 21 and around 60 inside 50s suggests they didn't affect us detrimentally.

Made little difference to be honest

What I did notice was one of our  wingers didn't start on the centre wing, one started at the near the back corner of the square

Yeah, the wingers positioning basically off HB made it seem like little had changed.

I thought the rules might have actually helped us a bit. Hard to be really certain in a preseason game, but I thought our forward line pace inside 50 looked more potent. I have often wondered why the opposition, when they know how we thrive on creating turnovers and winning the contest I50 for goals, play extra players back. It is kind of counterintuitive, because more defenders makes the creation of contests easier and limits options up the ground making turnovers coming out of defence more likely.

But watching today's game made me understand why teams like extra defenders against us. Because the alternative is getting cut apart by the pace of our small forwards with our players up the ground simply kicking to space rather than a contest. What is really scary for the opposition is how well our talls move in the forward half as well. Riewoldt and Balta move very nicely for big guys, and Lynch does too.

One other thing I thought stood out in todays game was the way Broad played and how important he might be for us this season. He has his detractors, but he plays that space filling role by constantly gut running to fill holes very well. He was superb in that regard today, and I thought he had quite an influence on the game.

Really disagree regarding broad although he definitely improved in the 4th quarter. There was one play where he broke from half back and had an easy kick to a number of our players at half forward and he split it between them and killed the momentum. I think once Lynch comes into the forward line balta may find himself taking broads spot as he is already showing to be a much better kick and stronger mark.

He made some pretty glaring mistakes for sure and his skills aren't the greatest. My focus was on his positional play. When we were on a roll and Melbourne were having a lot of trouble moving the ball forward, Broad played a big part cutting down options by reading the play well and filling gaps. Our pressure game revolves around that.

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Re: Why 6-6-6 rule could force Tigers into a radical shake-up (afl site)
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2019, 02:45:49 PM »
Stupid & unnecessary window dressing...as someone said elsewhere- could you imagine the EPL changing the rules of football on the say so of some wanker pissant journalist like Whately? Amateur hour in Clown World. :shh
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