Champion Data's "elite" players for 2021 / Richmond has just 3

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BIG SURPRISES AMONG CHAMPION DATA'S ELITE-RANKED PLAYERS FOR 2021

BY SEN
3 February 2021

Champion Data has released their annual list of elite-graded players heading into the 2021 season.

As always, there are few surprises among the inclusions, with Collingwood key forward Mason Cox, young Eagle Oscar Allen and Port Adelaide’s Steven Motlop making the cut.

The ratings are relevant to each players’ position and also feature a five-game minimum for the 2020 season.

Five teams tied for the most ‘elite’ players with five in Brisbane, Collingwood, Hawthorn, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs.

Richmond, surprisingly, only has three.

See their rankings below:

Champion Data’s elite-ranked players for 2021

Richmond: Nick Vlastuin, Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin

Adelaide: None

Brisbane: Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews, Lachie Neale, Jarryd Lyons, Hugh McCluggage

Carlton: Adam Saad, Zac Fisher, Sam Walsh

Collingwood: Jack Crisp, Jordan De Goey, Mason Cox, Steele Sidebottom, Brayden Maynard

Essendon: Jordan Ridley

Fremantle: Nathan Fyfe

Geelong: Mark Blicavs, Tom Hawkins, Patrick Dangerfield, Sam Menegola

Gold Coast: Sam Collins, Matt Rowell

GWS: Harry Perryman

Hawthorn: Luke Breust, Chad Wingard, James Sicily, Ben McEvoy, Jack Gunston

Melbourne: Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver, Max Gawn

North Melbourne: Todd Goldstein

Port Adelaide: Robbie Gray, Steven Motlop, Zak Butters, Charlie Dixon

St Kilda: Dan Butler, Jack Steele

Sydney: Jake Lloyd, Isaac Heeney, Dane Rampe

West Coast: Liam Ryan, Jeremy McGovern, Jack Darling, Oscar Allen, Nic Naitanui

Western Bulldogs: Caleb Daniel, Bailey Williams, Marcus Bontempelli, Josh Dunkley, Lachie Hunter

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/03/big-surprises-among-champion-datas-elite-ranked-players-for-2021/

[Knighter]

LOL - Mason Cox, Perryman, Wingard, Bailey Williams (never heard of him), Fatlop and Oscar Allen all make it and Grimes, Baker, Short and Bolton miss.

How can you take that list seriously.  Mason Cox has played one decent game in 5 years and he is elite...........please

[MintOnLamb]

Pffft

[yandb]

Surely the penny must have dropped at Champion data by now, their algorithms are flawed if this is their list of Elite players

[wayne]

They're not releasing a hard copy of the prospectus anymore.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

There’s a reason for that

[Diocletian]

This is far more more enlightening (Big Footy is occasionally useful):

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-possession-heatmaps.1254271/

 

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https://twitter.com/TheCoachRonnie/status/1357165073148465152/photo/1

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Zero Hanger’s list of elite-ranked players at every AFL club in 2021

BY BEN COTTON -
EDITOR IN CHIEF
FEBRUARY 4, 2021

Richmond – Nick Vlastuin, Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin, Tom Lynch*, Jack Grimes*

Adelaide – Reilly O’Brien*

Brisbane – Lachie Neale, Charlie Cameron*, Hugh McCluggage, Jarryd Lyons, Harris Andrews

Carlton – Patrick Cripps*, Adam Saad, Jacob Weitering

Collingwood – Scott Pendlebury*, Taylor Adams*, Brayden Maynard, Brodie Grundy*, Darcy Moore*, Steele Sidebottom, Jeremy Howe*

Essendon – Jordan Ridley, Zach Merrett*

Fremantle – Luke Ryan*, Nat Fyfe, Michael Walters*

Geelong Cats – Jeremy Cameron*, Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Hawkins, Cam Guthrie*, Tom Stewart*, Sam Menegola, Mitch Duncan*

Gold Coast Suns – Sam Collins, Matt Rowell

GWS – Toby Greene*, Nick Haynes*, Josh Kelly*, Lachie Whitfield*

Hawthorn – Tom Mitchell*, Jack Gunston, James Sicily

Melbourne – Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver, Max Gawn, Steven May*

North Melbourne – Todd Goldstein

Port Adelaide – Robbie Gray, Travis Boak*, Zak Butters, Charlie Dixon, Darcy Byrne Jones*, Tom Jonas*, Ollie Wines*

St Kilda – Dan Butler, Jack Steele

Sydney – Jake Lloyd, Isaac Heeney, Dane Rampe, Luke Parker*, Josh Kennedy*, Tom Papley*

West Coast – Liam Ryan, Jeremy McGovern, Jack Darling, Nic Naitanui, Brad Sheppard*, Josh Kennedy*, Andrew Gaff*

Western Bulldogs – Caleb Daniel, Marcus Bontempelli, Josh Dunkley, Lachie Hunter, Adam Treloar*, Jack Macrae*

* = players NOT considered elite by Champion Data

CHAMPION DATA’S ELITE-RANKED PLAYERS FOR 2021 WHO WE DIDN’T INCLUDE

Daniel Rich (Brisbane)
Zac Fisher (Carlton)
Sam Walsh (Carlton)
Jack Crisp (Collingwood)
Jordan De Goey (Collingwood)
Mason Cox (Collingwood)
Mark Blicavs (Geelong)
Harry Perryman (GWS)
Luke Breust (Hawthorn)
Chad Wingard (Hawthorn)
Ben McEvoy (Hawthorn)
Steven Motlop (Port Adelaide)
Oscar Allen (West Coast)
Bailey Williams (Western Bulldogs)

https://www.zerohanger.com/zero-hangers-list-of-elite-ranked-players-at-every-afl-club-in-2021-footy-news-78741/

[Gracie]

This is far more more enlightening (Big Footy is occasionally useful):

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-possession-heatmaps.1254271/

 

That is very interesting thanks for posting the link

[Andyy]

Zero Hanger’s list of elite-ranked players at every AFL club in 2021

BY BEN COTTON -
EDITOR IN CHIEF
FEBRUARY 4, 2021

Richmond – Nick Vlastuin, Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin, Tom Lynch*, Jack Grimes*

Adelaide – Reilly O’Brien*

Brisbane – Lachie Neale, Charlie Cameron*, Hugh McCluggage, Jarryd Lyons, Harris Andrews

Carlton – Patrick Cripps*, Adam Saad, Jacob Weitering

Collingwood – Scott Pendlebury*, Taylor Adams*, Brayden Maynard, Brodie Grundy*, Darcy Moore*, Steele Sidebottom, Jeremy Howe*

Essendon – Jordan Ridley, Zach Merrett*

Fremantle – Luke Ryan*, Nat Fyfe, Michael Walters*

Geelong Cats – Jeremy Cameron*, Patrick Dangerfield, Tom Hawkins, Cam Guthrie*, Tom Stewart*, Sam Menegola, Mitch Duncan*

Gold Coast Suns – Sam Collins, Matt Rowell

GWS – Toby Greene*, Nick Haynes*, Josh Kelly*, Lachie Whitfield*

Hawthorn – Tom Mitchell*, Jack Gunston, James Sicily

Melbourne – Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver, Max Gawn, Steven May*

North Melbourne – Todd Goldstein

Port Adelaide – Robbie Gray, Travis Boak*, Zak Butters, Charlie Dixon, Darcy Byrne Jones*, Tom Jonas*, Ollie Wines*

St Kilda – Dan Butler, Jack Steele

Sydney – Jake Lloyd, Isaac Heeney, Dane Rampe, Luke Parker*, Josh Kennedy*, Tom Papley*

West Coast – Liam Ryan, Jeremy McGovern, Jack Darling, Nic Naitanui, Brad Sheppard*, Josh Kennedy*, Andrew Gaff*

Western Bulldogs – Caleb Daniel, Marcus Bontempelli, Josh Dunkley, Lachie Hunter, Adam Treloar*, Jack Macrae*

* = players NOT considered elite by Champion Data

CHAMPION DATA’S ELITE-RANKED PLAYERS FOR 2021 WHO WE DIDN’T INCLUDE

Daniel Rich (Brisbane)
Zac Fisher (Carlton)
Sam Walsh (Carlton)
Jack Crisp (Collingwood)
Jordan De Goey (Collingwood)
Mason Cox (Collingwood)
Mark Blicavs (Geelong)
Harry Perryman (GWS)
Luke Breust (Hawthorn)
Chad Wingard (Hawthorn)
Ben McEvoy (Hawthorn)
Steven Motlop (Port Adelaide)
Oscar Allen (West Coast)
Bailey Williams (Western Bulldogs)

https://www.zerohanger.com/zero-hangers-list-of-elite-ranked-players-at-every-afl-club-in-2021-footy-news-78741/

Jack Grimes doesn't even play AFL anymore, let alone for Richmond.

Haha

[WilliamPowell]

Zac Fisher from Carlton elite?

Seriously?

Please

[the claw]

LOL Clearly one mans elite is another mans average. Clearly the formula they use is wrong.

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CHAMPION DATA PROVIDES EXPLANATION FOR SURPRISING 'ELITE' RANKINGS

BY SEN
5 February 2021

Mason Cox and Zac Fisher’s inclusions among the ‘elite’ players of the competition in Champion Data’s annual rankings raised eyebrows around the league.

Champion Data’s Daniel Hoyne has explained just how the rankings work.

“These are just based purely on the 2020 season so it compares position against position, so the top 10 per cent of players in each position get categorised in the elite bracket,” Hoyne told SEN’s Captain’s Run.

“The top 11 to 35 per cent get categorised in the above average bracket and so on from there.

“It’s been our method for a number of years now. There’s a more in-depth formula that we’ve been working behind the scenes on for the last couple of years to be able to compare players across each position rather than just position by position.

“The shortened game time last year unfortunately threw our data right out so we had to keep it simple this year and base it all on 2020 data and just position by position.”

Cox played 11 games in 2020, kicking 14 goals and 2 behinds to go with three marks per game.

Hoyne broke down how the Collingwood forward ended up with an elite ranking.

“That’s a really interesting one on our end, so these ratings are based on the AFL player ratings and that takes into account how you win it, where on the ground you win it and what you do with it,” he said.

“It’s really measuring impact if you like. Players that are winning the ball in contested possessions in a dangerous part of the ground get rated really highly as opposed to those who are winning it uncontested and going sideways or lateral and not really having that impact.

“The other thing too is accuracy. It gets treated harshly, either in a positive sense or a negative sense and Mason Cox, his accuracy last year was I think the second or third best in the competition.

“He doesn’t win too much of his ball, but when he does it’s contested possessions and because he plays as that key forward it’s contested possessions in dangerous parts of the ground, but more to the point it’s just his accuracy in front of goal was so strong that his rating gets increased.

“Knowing the formula, you can look at a Mason Cox and absolutely people would be surprised, I was surprised as well, then sort of understanding the formula, whether or not you agree with it is a different story, but that was the reason.

“If his accuracy dropped back to the AFL average, given he doesn’t win too much of the ball his rating would slip down quite dramatically.”

As for Fisher, Hoyne said they rank the Carlton forward highly in terms of where and how he wins the ball.

“His ground ball play in the forward half of the ground is probably his number one asset and was his number one asset last year,” he said.

“He was the second best ground ball player inside 50 in the competition last year.

“Again if you get back to that model of winning the ball, how you’re winning it and if you’re winning it in dangerous areas, he’s winning it at ground level in the front half of the ground which is really hard to do.

“His pressure side of the game is actually quite strong and averaging 13 disposals for his position on top of how he’s winning it is the reason why he rated so highly.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/02/05/champion-data-provides-explanation-for-surprising-elite-rankings/

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Aka they don’t actually watch the games and realise how ineffectual he is 90% of the time.