List management

[Simonator]

We need to make some big moves in free agency and trade to not hit rock bottom and go through the draft. Like how Geelong has done it ( but hopefully win more flags )
Tom Greene would be a huge get.

[Tigeritis™©®]

We needed mids and everyone knows it but what do we do? Nothing.

Relying on Ross and Dow and RCD as the next wave is bloody dreaming.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Watching the VFL today and our midfield is light on and so is our forward line for key position players.

Our defence at least has players in it, whether they are good enough is another question but we are stocked full with defenders.

We need mids and forwards as there’s nothing coming through besides maybe Sonsie as a mid and Clarke as a small forward.

[TigerLand]

Which is absolutely mind boggling we got Tarrant. With Biggie and Miller back there. We atleast have cavalry.

We absolutely should have got a Dunston, Greenwood type in. Makes absolutely no sense to have Tarrant taking games away from Miller whilst bit having anyone to come in for our of form Edwards, Castagna.

[Rampsation]

Weve dropped the ball with list mansgement over last 3 years. Weve drunk our own bathwater now we pay the price. Its back to the for us draft boys.

[Rampsation]

Our first opportunity to win a flag could be 2025 or 2026. The process of getting that premiership list together started last year with a few draftees from the years before.

So that is:

Gibcus
Brown
Banks
Sonsie
Clarke

Ralphsmith
Dow
M.Rioli Jnr.
Collier Dawkins

Bolton and Balta the 2 players we need to keep.

We need another 5 kids in the next Draft
and some new free agents over the next 3 years.

We need to start trading out if we can to bring in
Earlier picks inside 30 if we can.

What this shows is we need more of everything.
Another 2 kpp and
Another 2 contested ball winners just for starters.
Maybe another outside mid as well.
5 picks. 2kpp 2contested mids 1 outside mid.
That should be our next draft

[Rampsation]

We need to look back at our own recent history. Our Dynasty started with the recruitment many of us including me thought were duds. Bachar Houli and Shaun Grigg. Its time to scour other clubs lists.

On big footy someone has raised the names of xavier o'halloran from gws and ely smith from brisbane. They were high draft picks but arent getting a go. Smith has been injured. Both are early 20s. Both are bigger bodied mudfielders. O'halloran shows leadership. Both would be relatively cheap to get salary cap and draft pick wise. We need Hartley to do pick the eyes out of other clubs lists and bring in 2 or 3 moneyball type players ala grigg and houli. I dont know if theyll work out but we wouldnt lose anything by trying.

[Gigantor]

Over the past few weeks my friends and i who attend the games have had many discussions on list management ,and i think my cousin summed it up perfectly recently.And my apologies to him if i dont get it all right ,but he said..."the bellies of our team are full ,theres no hunger left in this group,thus we are seeing the fumbles and the second to the contest ,things we arent used to ,or havent seen in nearly 5 years..
We also have to take into account the off field happenings.
1.Brendon gale is possibly going to take over as CEO of the AFL..hes certainly one of the clear favourites right now.
2.Peggy will retire from the club at seasons end(certainly no longer president)
3.Balmy is dealing with his health issues
4.Dimma has had to deal with his own off field issues of late.
Just maybe all the above have ever so slightly taken their eye off the task at hand.
Im speculating here thats all.the club has given an amazing ride the past few years and im forever grateful ,but certainly change is about to happen i thinks.lets sit tight and see what happens

[Rampsation]

If Brendon Gale leaves id expect either
Andrew Dillon or Cain Liddle will get the CEO post.

I expect Peggy to be replaced by either
John O'Rourke or Joe Powell

Balmey we just need him to stay because with a lot of change there can be instability.

And Dimma will get on with his job.

I think we will be alright. We will have good candidates available where change needs to happen.

[camboon]

Agree life goes on, I think the club and playing group are in for big changes that will mean a rebuild . I hope we don’t go out and get older players and players who can’t get a game in the seniors at their current club, we tried that which resulted in 30 years plus waiting for a premiership and a lot of winning games at the end of the year so we finished 9th so Terry Wallet could get a contract extension.

[Jonesracing82]

Hit the Draft this yr, if we bomb out this season we'll get 3 picks under 25 incl Norfs 2nd rounder. Add 2 inside mids & a Key Fwd to the crop from last yr & that's a decent spine built in 2 yrs with 8 picks under 32 or 8 2nd rounders, whichever way you want to put it, in 2 yrs.

[the claw]

Over the past few weeks my friends and i who attend the games have had many discussions on list management ,and i think my cousin summed it up perfectly recently.And my apologies to him if i dont get it all right ,but he said..."the bellies of our team are full ,theres no hunger left in this group,thus we are seeing the fumbles and the second to the contest ,things we arent used to ,or havent seen in nearly 5 years..
We also have to take into account the off field happenings.
1.Brendon gale is possibly going to take over as CEO of the AFL..hes certainly one of the clear favourites right now.
2.Peggy will retire from the club at seasons end(certainly no longer president)
3.Balmy is dealing with his health issues
4.Dimma has had to deal with his own off field issues of late.
Just maybe all the above have ever so slightly taken their eye off the task at hand.
Im speculating here thats all.the club has given an amazing ride the past few years and im forever grateful ,but certainly change is about to happen i thinks.lets sit tight and see what happens

Hunger or is just age the fact our best players cannot do what they used to do. I know we dont want to talk about that but its more likely than a loss of hunger

[georgies31]

Over the past few weeks my friends and i who attend the games have had many discussions on list management ,and i think my cousin summed it up perfectly recently.And my apologies to him if i dont get it all right ,but he said..."the bellies of our team are full ,theres no hunger left in this group,thus we are seeing the fumbles and the second to the contest ,things we arent used to ,or havent seen in nearly 5 years..
We also have to take into account the off field happenings.
1.Brendon gale is possibly going to take over as CEO of the AFL..hes certainly one of the clear favourites right now.
2.Peggy will retire from the club at seasons end(certainly no longer president)
3.Balmy is dealing with his health issues
4.Dimma has had to deal with his own off field issues of late.
Just maybe all the above have ever so slightly taken their eye off the task at hand.
Im speculating here thats all.the club has given an amazing ride the past few years and im forever grateful ,but certainly change is about to happen i thinks.lets sit tight and see what happens

Hunger or is just age the fact our best players cannot do what they used to do. I know we dont want to talk about that but its more likely than a loss of hunger

I reckon it's a mixture of both.This group gave us 3 flags and took opportunity with both hands time to rejuvenate now. I don't want us to be stuck in another 30 years before challenging again we have to get this right.

[the claw]

Agree life goes on, I think the club and playing group are in for big changes that will mean a rebuild . I hope we don’t go out and get older players and players who can’t get a game in the seniors at their current club, we tried that which resulted in 30 years plus waiting for a premiership and a lot of winning games at the end of the year so we finished 9th so Terry Wallet could get a contract extension.

 while im all for basically useing as many top 40 picks as possible i have never been one who thinks we should not be targeting older players as well. Get both  right and you can transform your list quickly. There are and have been some fantastic money ball type picks out there weather its thru F/A  or utilising the rookie draft. Just because you go into rebuild it should not mean we ignore this source of finding good players. Look in the state leagues and you will surely find.

Mate it could be as simple as value adding to improve the list, that is finding a player who is a slight improvement on a player getting a game.

Lots of good reasons why not just us but all clubs should do this.

Take our key fwd stocks atm. I have always thought we should be trying to mirror what we do in the seniors in the magoos.
Our trouble atm is we dont have a junior key fwd 18-21 and we certainly dont have a 22 - 24 yo developing nicely  who could play seniors and is primed to take Jacks spot.
The short term answer to that is go and draft a quality junior and target a mature fwd who can cover in the seniors if need be.
 i don't believe the magoos should just be a place for 22 and unders those kids need mature bodies around them finding the right balance i suppose is the real key.

I would have been more than happy for us to take one  of Finlayson or Skinner take Schenslog instead of Parker along with say Drafting Jacob Van Rooyen with our pick 17.

We then structure up with a  mature bodied player in the two,s who can guide and protect the kids we have a 22 yr old well along the development  path and both should   offer us some cover if injuries did hit.  we have a highly rated first yr junior it would be ideal not taking games away from kids but helping them while providing a bit of cover while the kids develop.
Thats just accepting the situation the list is in.

[camboon]

I would suggest if your targeting older players , pick players who are getting a game  in the seniors in their current side or a players who are young and showing enough in and out of the seniors in their current team
Targeting older players in the 80’s  to 2000 was a disaster.
Players from the vfa is usually for the rookie draft imo

First and second picks should always be for kids , picks through trades and late pick for older players the only exception being an A grader.

It just my opinion but most premiership sides build with youth, get lucky with a star or two and recruit a A grader or two