Coach Adem Yze [merged]

[Francois Jackson]

Yze has had a shocking month as coach.

I am really starting to have my doubts that he has any balls within the club. That lynch screw up told me a lot.

He won't be sacked until 2027, and nor should he but Fmd show some fight and get some aggression into you. Missed tackles should not be accepted under any circumstances.

I don't expect a bunch of kids to follow a game plan, but we have a lot of senior players not doing it either.

If we don't win one more game, which I think we will then look out next year.

[Andyy]

Yze has had a shocking month as coach.

I am really starting to have my doubts that he has any balls within the club. That lynch screw up told me a lot.

He won't be sacked until 2027, and nor should he but Fmd show some fight and get some aggression into you. Missed tackles should not be accepted under any circumstances.

I don't expect a bunch of kids to follow a game plan, but we have a lot of senior players not doing it either.

If we don't win one more game, which I think we will then look out next year.

Agree re: not dragging Lynch.

Otherwise I'm not at all surprised the team is starting to get belted. That was absolutely expected at this stage of the season.

All the players are tired. Too many kids, senior players carrying too much load etc. Very predictable.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

I hear that argument but would also say we should line up our form against a similar side like west coast to understand whether the “levy” of tired and young is worth the 11 - 13 goals we are seeing in margins.
I also don’t understand why we are getting belted every week and every quarter. We have barely been competitive by qtr since qtr time vs swans and had our best quarter of scoring in the last q vs bulldogs.
There’s belief and then there’s tired. The first one is the coach and we have had neither since qtr time vs the swans

[TigerLand]

Agree the last month has been very ordinary. 1 swallow doesn't make a summer though, good or bad.

I've always had the opinion that Yze is a caretaker during development rebuild phase, and doing OK in that regard. I'd be very surprised if Yze is our next finals playing / premiership contending coach. No issue for this year, next year for this role but I'd think it'd be wise for us to be thinking of next big coaching appointment. If we are lucky and Simpson is not snapped up to coach in 2026, I'd be eyeballing him for 2027. Chris Newman and Corey Enright would be two I'd be interested in looking at.

[Andyy]

I hear that argument but would also say we should line up our form against a similar side like west coast to understand whether the “levy” of tired and young is worth the 11 - 13 goals we are seeing in margins.
I also don’t understand why we are getting belted every week and every quarter. We have barely been competitive by qtr since qtr time vs swans and had our best quarter of scoring in the last q vs bulldogs.
There’s belief and then there’s tired. The first one is the coach and we have had neither since qtr time vs the swans

You mean the last 2 weeks against mature sides pushing for a top 4 finish in WB and AC?

Otherwise before that we had a bye, lost to GWS by 3 points, then some other closer games against North, WCE, GWS, Essendrug etc. The Sydney loss for me was one of the more disappointing at 44 points but they are also a much more mature side than us.

The 11-13 goal beltings have only really been the last two weeks and I'm not surprised. Kids will be tired, older players sore, morale probably fading as the season goes on etc.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

I do Andyyy and they might be pushing but are hardly top 4 sides given both teams records against other top 8 sides.
Eagles pushed Pies all the way on Saturday night. Let’s be real here, the tired thing only gets you so far.
I think everyone bar the 1st year players have a heap to play for at the moment - list spots up for grabs and a sense we are on the up.

I actually do not buy into the “it’s the end of season” drivel. There are 8 weeks to go. We should be building for a really strong last month with Lalor, Hotten, Smillie and Gibcus all putting their hand up for selection. Throw in MRJ who can 100% replace either of Green or Mansell. Young energy who want to make their mark is what I am looking to see.
I remember going to watch a very young Hawks side dominate the Pies in 2023 and thought they were onto something with their game style - reckon it was round 21. Where’s our statement game? Round 1 was awesome as was GWS. Let’s not just throw in the towel like lolnorf.
It’s up to Yze to sell it to the players .

[Andyy]

I do Andyyy and they might be pushing but are hardly top 4 sides given both teams records against other top 8 sides.
Eagles pushed Pies all the way on Saturday night. Let’s be real here, the tired thing only gets you so far.
I think everyone bar the 1st year players have a heap to play for at the moment - list spots up for grabs and a sense we are on the up.

I actually do not buy into the “it’s the end of season” drivel. There are 8 weeks to go. We should be building for a really strong last month with Lalor, Hotten, Smillie and Gibcus all putting their hand up for selection. Throw in MRJ who can 100% replace either of Green or Mansell. Young energy who want to make their mark is what I am looking to see.
I remember going to watch a very young Hawks side dominate the Pies in 2023 and thought they were onto something with their game style - reckon it was round 21. Where’s our statement game? Round 1 was awesome as was GWS. Let’s not just throw in the towel like lolnorf.
It’s up to Yze to sell it to the players .

You legitimately don't think that 18-19 year old kids get tired and sore towards the end of their first AFL season in a bottom 2 side? We are consistently playing very young and inexperienced players most weeks.

Come on mate. Players talk about this all the time. Most of them struggle to play out a season until they've had a few preseasons. It's very normal and the main reason the industry standard is to 'get 50 games into them'.

I knew the second half of the year would be worse than the first half.

Doesn't mean they've thrown in the towel. Just means you'll see them fade quicker and more often.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

That’s not the point. I am saying - and it’s pretty clear - that we can’t just pull that old story in isolation.
Other clubs also have young players, why are we suddenly using that excuse to justify the pitiful past 3 weeks? Should we accept we are now going to lose by 12+ goals because we have 3 first year players in our team this weekend (7 over 30 and another 7 aged between 24-28). Really?
Okay, some are easily pleased I guess.

[Andyy]

That’s not the point. I am saying - and it’s pretty clear - that we can’t just pull that old story in isolation.
Other clubs also have young players, why are we suddenly using that excuse to justify the pitiful past 3 weeks? Should we accept we are now going to lose by 12+ goals because we have 3 first year players in our team this weekend (7 over 30 and another 7 aged between 24-28). Really?
Okay, some are easily pleased I guess.

Occam's Razor.

It's more plausible than there being significant unrest in the club, players hate Yze, threatening to walk out on the joint because he's so incompetent with assistants like Caracella and Rutten around him etc.

We are a young side and got belted by two sides wanting a top 4 spot and the % points. That's it.