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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #165 on: July 08, 2025, 04:51:55 PM »
That’s 100% on the footy department to initiate not Yze.

Should yze be demanding this be done? Probably and for all we know, maybe he is. But there is no way on earth he can initiate that himself.

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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #166 on: July 08, 2025, 11:16:31 PM »
The "staggering" statistics surrounding taxing injury crisis

By SEN
8 July 2025


Garry Lyon is staggered by the amount of young players missing AFL games through injury due to the demands of the modern game.

Lyon says he has an issue with the demands that the game puts on first and second-year draftees in particular.

Read Lyon's thoughts below:

“We narrow the size of lists, which means we then put more pressure on the actual list you've got. We lengthen the game. All we've done in recent times is make the season longer,” Lyon said on SEN Breakfast.

“So what's your answer? It started on the 7th of March. The season started on the 7th of March.

“We're now in the middle of July, we've got 15 weeks still for the season to finish. 15 weeks!

“We've got these kids who are coming in and we make lists smaller. So the poor old Tigers, who are in a situation where they've got to play their kids - I’m not saying they're under pressure to play Sam Lalor - but in an ideal world, Sam Lalor doesn't play last week and might only play two times for the rest of the year.

“I’m looking at Melbourne's future. There's Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay. I don't want them to play every game for the rest of this year.

“Alix Tauru, who I think is the most exciting young player I've seen emerge for a long time, had to be held back because he had a back injury. So he gets more time to prepare.

“I spoke to a senior coach about this - they draft these kids out of under-18 or school footy. They de-load them, so they get them into the system, and you're not lifting heavy weights to prepare yourself for a big season.

“They de-load so you're just all about technique to make sure that (you build good habits), so they haven't got that basis.

“They're drafted in October. They do a few weeks, the Christmas break comes around, they get weeks off, they come back, within six weeks they want them to play senior footy, and they want them to play over a 25-week period.”

Staggering numbers

“The amount of games missed to injury by top 30 draft picks.

“In 2021 it was 147, in 2022 it was 251, in 2023 it was 379.

“And last year it was 447 games missed, and at the moment we're at 383 games of kids who have missed through injury.

“So this is just my opinion - you don't have to agree with it. I look at Geelong, who have been the smartest team in the competition - when's the last time you saw an 18-year-old kid play for Geelong?

“Connor O'Sullivan played one game last year for the Cats, and then they said, ‘no, no, no, you're not ready’. So he didn't play again (until this year).

“Ollie Dempsey won the NAB Rising Star for Geelong in his third year.”

Cats in unique position

Co-host Tim Watson pointed out that Geelong is in a very different position to a lot of other teams, giving them the luxury to debut some of their youngster at a later stage.

“But they've worked their way into a unique position though because of the success they've had over a long period of time now, and the type of team that they've been building,” said Watson.

“I would think that they've looked at this, and they've looked at the productivity that they can get out of early draft picks, but then their philosophy within the club has been different to a lot of other clubs.

“They haven't gone back for a reset or a rebuild or call it what you like. They've been able to continue to top up and they've been able to manage it beautifully.

“They haven't relied like Richmond on a complete rebuild or reset, go and get all the kids and play the kids and try and get as much time and experience into them as quickly as they possibly can.”

Limited numbers on lists

Lyon continued: “Not to the detriment of their careers.

“This is the problem with limited numbers on lists.

“I understand where Richmond are at. They'll turn around and say, ‘Hey, we ain't got any choice’. So they'll play another debutant at some stage.

“But you don't want Sam Lalor playing 20 games this year. You want him playing 250 games down the track.

“I’ve got every club's top picks over the last five years.

“The list of players that have missed through injuries after they've got drafted is staggering.

“Do you know much about Josh Goater? Drafted in 2021, missed five games, then he missed 22, then he missed 15 games. So he's the first or second-round pick.

“Taylor Goad hadn't played much footy. These kids that have come through and missing footy is unbelievable.

“And what's our answer? The AFL will go, ‘we're going to make the season longer, we're going to make it more demanding, and we're going to take numbers off the playing list’.”

What about Daicos, Sheezel, Selwood etc.?

“There are exceptions. There's no problem about that, and I understand that.

“But we need to limit how much game time they should have in their first and second years and try and facilitate it that way, because you don't want this list I've got in my hand…

“Zach Reid, who's just come in… the Will Ashcroft knee, Nik Cox, Denver Grainger-Barras, Josh Gibcus, Josh Goater, Brayden George, Angus Sheldrick, Elijah Hewett, these are all kids.”

Longer season not the answer

“I spoke to a senior AFL coach who said this - The answer from the AFL to all these questions is to put more weeks into the season and build more pressure on these kids.

“I would ideally love to see a 20 or 22-week season, but it's about managing loads for these kids, essentially is where I'm getting to.

“In an ideal world, percentages of time you can play, senior games, try to take it out of the hands of the teams themselves.

“But you've got list sizes which compromise your ability to do that. If we did that to Essendon and said, you can only play first-year players 65-75 per cent of the season, and second-year players 85 per cent, then that might mean they have to take Isaac Kako out of the side this week, and they just might not end up with enough players.

“Again, what's the answer from the AFL? ‘Oh, let's make the season longer’.

“And guess what? I'll tell you what else we'll do in this game that you've just described as the hardest physical game in the world - let's make the quarters longer as well.

“Let's leave them out there longer because of all this nonsense, bull dust reviews, wait for a boundary umpire, for all that nonsense.

“So, season gets longer, weeks get longer, you're in training longer, and the damn games are going longer.

“And you wonder why you these first and second-year players are missing so many games.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/07/08/lyon-staggering-injury-toll-on-young-players-is-an-issue

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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #167 on: July 14, 2025, 11:04:20 PM »
Injury list

Updated 14 July 2025.

Player                      Injury              Estimated Return

Josh Smillie           Conditioning            1-2 weeks
Kane McAuliffe           Quad                  1-2 weeks
Mykelti Lefau              Calf                   2-4 weeks
Thomson Dow           Patella                 2-5 weeks
Liam Fawcett              Foot                   4-6 weeks
Campbell Gray           Knee                   6-8 weeks
Samson Ryan             Foot                      TBC
Sam Lalor               Hamstring               Season
Hugo Ralphsmith     Hamstring               Season
Judson Clarke             ACL                     Season
Jacob Bauer                ACL                     Season
Mate Colina             Shoulder                  Season

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/football/afl/injury-list

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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #168 on: July 14, 2025, 11:04:28 PM »
Injury Report: Round 19, 2025

High Performance Manager Ben Serpell provides his injury report as Richmond prepares to travel to Perth to face the Eagles.

Harry Armstrong: Hamstring, available

“Harry is doing really well and got through everything last week,” Serpell said.

“I’m happy to say that he is available this weekend.”

Jasper Alger: Ankle, available

“We scanned Jasper’s ankle last week after the injury report and realised the injury wasn’t as severe as what we thought originally,” Serpell said.

“Happy to say that he has pulled through training last week and is available for selection this week.”

Josh Smillie: Conditioning, 1-2 weeks

“Josh is going alright at the moment,” Serpell said.

“There is no VFL game this week...we would like to bring him back through the VFL. We are still going to list him as one to two weeks just to make sure he gets the opportunity to get football exposure.

"Still a little way off but progressing well now.”

Kane McAuliffe: Quad, 1-2 weeks

“Kane is doing well with his rehab,” Serpell said.

“As I said with Josh Smillie, there is no VFL game this weekend, so on the off chance we wanted to bring him back through the VFL, there is no opportunity for that this week.

“It’s probably best if we say that he is one to two weeks away, and we will see how he progresses.”

Mykelti Lefau: Calf, 2-4 weeks

“Kelts is doing well,” Serpell said.

“He is getting through all his rehab and happy to bring his return to play forward another week. He is about 2-4 weeks away now.”

Liam Fawcett: Foot, 4-6 weeks

“Liam is doing well, he is out of the boot now and walking around,” Serpell said.

“We will start to progress him a little bit this week and hopefully running towards the end of next week. We can still comfortably say that he is four to six weeks away.”

Thomson Dow: Patella, 2-5 weeks

“Sadly, Dowy has not made any progress, so I don’t want to bring his return to play forward at the moment,” Serpell said.

Campbell Gray: Knee, 6-8 weeks

“Campbell Gray’s test didn’t go too well last week and unfortunately it has set him back a little bit,” Serpell said.

“We are looking at him for another six to eight weeks away.”

Samson Ryan: Foot, TBC

“Samson has started some overground running now without any adverse reactions,” Serpell said.

“Hopefully we can increase his running load over the next little while and hopefully progress a little bit of jumping into him and see him out on the park hopefully soon.”

Sam Lalor: Hamstring, season

“We consulted a few surgeons for Sammy’s case, and there is a fairly strong consensus that surgery was required for him,” Serpell said.

“After three injuries to the same side over the last 12 months, it was clear that it was unlikely that hamstring was going to heal in that spot.

“He will undergo surgery this week and will look forward to hopefully having a quick recovery and get most of pre-season done.”

https://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/1830810/injury-report-round-19-2025

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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #169 on: July 15, 2025, 07:53:10 PM »
Gray going from test to 6-8 weeks in the space of a week seems irregular.

I hate being negative but I'd like to have some wins from rehab and conditioning team to improve confidence in what we are doing in this area.
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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #170 on: July 15, 2025, 08:06:31 PM »
I'm still none the wiser regarding Josh Smillie. 
Never seen conditioning used like this as an injury? 

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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #171 on: July 15, 2025, 08:10:59 PM »
I'm still none the wiser regarding Josh Smillie. 
Never seen conditioning used like this as an injury?

Yeah I'm all for cotton wool but "conditioning" phase is new to me.
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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #172 on: July 15, 2025, 08:42:13 PM »
Gray going from test to 6-8 weeks in the space of a week seems irregular.


Not really. Was put through an intense fitness test (match type conditions) on Friday and pulled up sore. after another scan found injury has flared again. Going conservative.

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Clearly the CLub is damned if they damned if they don't.

With Lalor people sooked it up because they went conservative, then went berserk when he hurt his hammy again in a completely different spot to the previous one that was caused by tackling. Which BTW is how Armstrong did his.

With Smillie they are conditioning him so he doesn't' do his hamstring again. But again people looking for reason to go whack

We are dealing with kids here. Body shape and attributes can change after they are drafted. Heaven forbid if the Club any CLub for that matter have to adjust workloads etc to manage that  ::) 
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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #173 on: July 15, 2025, 11:20:11 PM »
Dunno how some kids stay fit for 23 rounds.

Of our draftees who is the closest to that, Faull? Trainor.

Surely it is time they are put on conditioning with Smilie
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Re: Injury Update 2025
« Reply #174 on: Yesterday at 07:21:26 AM »
Dunno how some kids stay fit for 23 rounds.

Of our draftees who is the closest to that, Faull? Trainor.

Surely it is time they are put on conditioning with Smilie

Did you read the article above from SEN where they discussed injuries to young players on the breakfast show?

Nothing in that relevant? Or is it all crap, nonsense?

Look at the injury lists of all Clubs over the course of the season and every one has had injury issues.
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