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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2025, 01:54:03 PM »
Not even gunna mention wins it has nothing to do with improvement next year. We could actually play better footy show a real system and kids will develop nicely and only win a game or two.

If you want to attract mature talent it is very important.
Saints picked up 4 and should have 5 on the back of 9 wins with 4 very narrow and unconvincing wins over bottom 4 teams.
I agree the game plan should be key but why couldn’t we do both  :huh

Think it was less so about the number of games they won and moreso about the ludicrous contracts they were handing out. Other than avoiding the spoon, I’m not fussed on the amount of games we win. Next year is the last draft before Tassie come in, so a handy draft hand certainly wont hurt in what will be the third draft in our rebuild.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2025, 05:34:46 PM »
Time and again, the Roos failed to attract talent with ludicrous contracts because noone wants to play for a bunch of losers. The same would have happened to the Saints had they lost all 4 of those close games.
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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2025, 11:26:16 PM »
Time and again, the Roos failed to attract talent with ludicrous contracts because noone wants to play for a bunch of losers. The same would have happened to the Saints had they lost all 4 of those close games.

Disagree. There are ludicrous contracts north were offering around the late 2010’s and then there’s the next level ludicrous contracts that the saints handed out this off-season the likes of which the game has never seen. Think you should go back and check norths number of wins around that time too, had seasons around the same or better than what the saints did this year.

Let’s not pretend like the saints picked up elite level talent either. TDK is prob the highest profile and they had to give him 1.7mil over 7 years to land him.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2025, 04:49:35 AM »
Your AFL club's worst nightmare ahead of 2026

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None of the kids come on

The Tigers are in a good position from a rebuild standpoint with plenty of emerging youngsters.

But if the likes of Sam Lalor, Luke Trainor, Harry Armstrong, Taj Hotton and Jonty Faull don’t come on, and the yet-to-debut Josh Smillie battles with injury again, it won’t end up being a fruitful 2026.

When wins are not as important as the development of the future, Adem Yze is going to need all his inexperienced jets to keep taking significant leaps.

A stagnant 2026 would be ghoulish for the Tigs who seem to be heading in the right direction but must get at least the same level of improvement as this year to keep the rebuild on track.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/10/30/afl-every-clubs-worst-nightmare-for-next-season

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2025, 07:38:04 AM »
Time and again, the Roos failed to attract talent with ludicrous contracts because noone wants to play for a bunch of losers. The same would have happened to the Saints had they lost all 4 of those close games.

Disagree. There are ludicrous contracts north were offering around the late 2010’s and then there’s the next level ludicrous contracts that the saints handed out this off-season the likes of which the game has never seen. Think you should go back and check norths number of wins around that time too, had seasons around the same or better than what the saints did this year.

Let’s not pretend like the saints picked up elite level talent either. TDK is prob the highest profile and they had to give him 1.7mil over 7 years to land him.

Maybe but whichever way you look at it, there’s no reason for us to go backwards in wins from this year to next. The concept of it defies logic
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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2025, 10:37:24 AM »
Who are we going to finish above based on last year ?

North Melbourne well they made us look silly second time around  and actually have done a lot of hard yards that we haven't. Not sure where they will finish but i expect them to finish above us.

We beat the Bombers once but they were injury ravaged think most would concede that.

We beat wce twice they are in a similar situation to us won't be pencilling in  certain wins against them.

Carlton round 1 was a good win they finished 11th. Who knows

The other win and only win against a top 8 team was against GCS a game they kicked away.

Lets just say we lost the wce  game that we won by 2 points and the essendon game we won by 9 points i bet the attitude of most would be less about wins and more about actual improvement thru kids development.

PA 72, StK 82, NM 48, Syd 44, WB 79 these were some of the beltings we copped from teams that failed to make the 8.

People are being blinkered if they think improvement only means more wins. We can and likely will have good improvement across the board and win less games. We are nowhere near using games won as a measuring stick for improvement.
Like this year it will be nice to win a few but it definately is not the main metric for measuring improvement.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2025, 10:40:56 AM »
North Melbourne well they made us look silly second time around  and actually have done a lot of hard yards that we haven't. Not sure where they will finish but i expect them to finish above us.

Done the hard yards that we haven’t?
Been stuck in a rebuild for an eternity, while we have been at that for 3 mins

While we were winning flags, they were winning spoons

And their grand plan was the gift us an early draft pick while they brought in fossils like Darling and Parker because they thought they were close to push for finals.

Give me a spell.

It’s an absolute disgrace they have been at it as long as they have.

There is zero excuse for them not to rise the ladder for goodness sakes.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2025, 10:49:29 AM »
I like your point , that bringing in experienced players at the end of their careers to a struggling club doesn’t work.
From my observation , It only seems to work if you bring in good players who are experienced leaders when your club has a good foundation of youth and are ready to take the next step.
We are probably a couple of years away from that level inho.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2025, 01:29:46 PM »
We'll get wins against WCE and Dons for sure. We'll play at least one of them twice IMO so there's 3.

Couple of upsets here and there, I can see us easily getting 4-6 wins.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2025, 06:24:53 PM »
After this year’s draft, we will have had 22 players drafted since 2021.
14 in top 30, 8 first rounders and 5 top 10.
All while still having a senior core of 8 senior players who are doing exactly what Parker, Darling et al are doing at Norf.
We have a gap between 23-27 due to making the hard decision to let go of the 4 last year.
Sure we had some close wins but we equally had close losses to Norf,
Saints and GWS so on balance 5 wins is about right.
I think we have every right to compete and beat all and any of Saints, Demons, Roos, Essendon, West Coast and Carlton.
We will play most or all of them twice so a strike rate of 50% is perfectly reasonable.
I’d back us in to deliver the odd upset.

Our draft class of last year look incredible. I think we will see this unfold over the next few years
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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 05:26:23 PM »
North Melbourne well they made us look silly second time around  and actually have done a lot of hard yards that we haven't. Not sure where they will finish but i expect them to finish above us.

Done the hard yards that we haven’t?
Been stuck in a rebuild for an eternity, while we have been at that for 3 mins

While we were winning flags, they were winning spoons

And their grand plan was the gift us an early draft pick while they brought in fossils like Darling and Parker because they thought they were close to push for finals.

Give me a spell.

It’s an absolute disgrace they have been at it as long as they have.

There is zero excuse for them not to rise the ladder for goodness sakes.

Yeah they have done the hard yards the last 6 years they have not risen above 16th. yep 6 whole years and its that time they have got good draft picks to a decent number of games to enable them to start rising up the ladder.

The truth is they made us look second rate this year and if playing even more kids is the go they will and should do some real jobs on us for a few years.

Staying down and just putting games into as many of the kids as possible is doing the hard yards.

Us we have just begun this  year. you keep kidding yourself 2021 was the start ffs we sold our souls at the end of 2022 to get a crack at it again with Taranto and Hopper and how has that affected our draft hand? 
  how long will it take for us to get 10 or 12  to 100 games and add another 5 - 8  to 50 plus games or so all in the right age bracket..  its exactly that that will enable us to properly challenge.

Yep NM unlike us  have got a sizable amount of their youth to the point where they could   start filling gaps with mature players.And yeah to continue to fill in while some of the more recent picks mature.
Do they have all the pieces of course not. But they are way in front of us if we are talking time frames and games played yes the expectation should be  they start winning more than they lose.

Do you really believe they are going to be poo forever even we turned it around after how many seasons again.

Its laughable that people think after just one good draft and all the retirements and delistings that are still  to come that we won't be like NM in any way shape or form. 

Like them We will be bereft of experienced players at the end of next year or the one after or close to it. The middle tier is lousy and needs mostly replacing its why we needed to rebuild in the first place not that they realised it.

 its going to take us at least 5 years to get enough kids the experience they need to succeed. Yet the expectation of some  is we will climb rapidly.

5 wins last year was not the norm But with us being 17th in so many areas last year id say there is every chance of us winning less games.
Are we in a better position than most clubs in key metrics no we are probably 17th.

Winning games for us over the next few years is not a key measuring stick. It has little to do with improvement and more to do with impatient supporters  being unrealistic.

We are in for hard times i suggest people get used to it but enjoy the growth of our kids over the next 4 or 5 seasons.
We are no different to any other club who actually embraces a full on rebuild it takes time. Its the clubs who don't embrace proper rebuilds see us 1980 - 2016 or Carlton - 1995 - 2025  Essendon 2000 - 2025

It was not that long ago Hardwick took 7 seasons to break a 37 yr drought and he had Riewoldt, Martin, Cotchin Edwards, Rance and a few others to start with and still be young enough to  be there when we challenged. We don't have that luxury last years crop is hopefully the riewoldts etc. Our age demographic covered 12 seasons yet here we are in year 1 and people think winning games is more important than anything.

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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 06:16:29 PM »
Imagine praising a club for finishing below 16th for over a half a decade.
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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 08:34:05 PM »
Imagine praising a club for finishing below 16th for over a half a decade.


 whos praising them for anything.

Fact is after 20 years of mostly middling finishes 2000 - 2019 they were getting nowhere.

iN 2020 they clearly made the choice to totally bottom out and they have been near the bottom for 6 years.

What was the choice that was forced upon us last year oh thats right bottom out and do the hard yards how stupid are some its not rocket science.

We can be nm of the 2000 - 2019 period or we can do the hard yards and actually fully embrace bottom finishes for three or four seasons and give ourselves a chance to climb out of the mire and actually be challengers again.

Like north we will have to keep on bringing in top talent and then get the games into them. Anyone who thinks just one draft or even two or three will be enough really are delusional.
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Re: Pass mark for 2026?
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 11:36:38 PM »
How many years at the bottom of the ladder resulted in our flags?
I work in Africa and they were taking the pee out of me for saving Africa.......
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