A Richmond 2008 preview from the other side/sash

[blaisee]

The bombers supporters' (bomberblitz) season preview of Richmond......... 

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Here we go again, looking at each team and what we expect from them next year. Those offended by discussing something other than Essendon on the forum feel free to ready something else.

Richmond suffered from a false dawn. They had Terry Wallace come in and as they had done for other coaches they started to show improvement. Then they turned into the Richmond we all rely on. Last year they were terrible. Wallace could see it before the season got going when he warned that the Tiges were 5 or 6 years away from challenging. Shame his contract doesnt last that long.

Richmond sufferred with injuries to their rucks which are thinner than probably even us. It starts with Simmonds and finished with Simmonds. Any chance the Tigers have of improving rests on his average shoulders.

The backline was weakened early last season when any players they had who could stop goals were told they were no longer required. They have some quality unaccountable backs in Bowden and Polak but seem to lack anyone who can shut down an opposition forward when they hit their stride. Geelongs absolute demolition of them last year was embarassing for everyone and they had no answer at all.

The forward line is aging. Richardson still owns the forward 50 and it is hard to see an heir to his throne. He has lost a little of his spark and unless Brown finds a little of his form of old and gets truly fit then it is hard to see them kicking enough goals each week. McMahon is an interesting prospect for them but whilst a quality player he isnt a matchwinner. Richmond dont have very many match winners at all. Jack Reiwoldt could be the X factor in the forward line but he realistically is probably another season away from being ready.

The midfield is probably the main area of strength for the Tiges. Deledio developed further last year and will soon become elite, Tambling seems to take two steps backwards and one sideways for every forward step in his career and seems little more than a bit part player taken way too high in the draft. Coghlan who was one of the highest rated inside midfielders a couple of years back is now in a constant fight against his own body to play the game. Polo a revelation a in 06 was woeful in 07, Shane Tuck the same dropped his bundle last year.

As much as I think the Tigers would love to put 07 behind then I think they will repeat the dose this season coming. Another spoon for a team whose list looks even weaker than the start of last year.

http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?s=919048090fb07b9977b0fab9d992b918&showtopic=38456

Fairly accurate assessment actually.
Most things listed are factual

you are nothing if not predictable jack
go and support the bombers, or are you waiting for the 17th team so you can get a job like sheedy

[blaisee]

As for Cogs, jury is out and they tried hard to trade him 2-3 years ago but he didnt want to go,

is that right jack?

they wanted to trade him?

where ? and to whom?

[Little Jackie]

Mate, you wouldnt know so I will tell you.
He knew he was to be traded to Fremantle but at the last minute he changed his mind and decided to stay in Melbourne. FACT.
If you dont believe me, seeing you are on the ""Inner"" at punt road, go and ask him yourself.

[mightytiges]

That might have wanted to quicken the process a bit and get rid of Hyde and Schultz . Everybody knows they are a waste of space.
As for Cogs, jury is out and they tried hard to trade him 2-3 years ago but he didnt want to go,

Only 13 of our senior list from 2004 remain. That's 26 gone replaced 95% by kids. A reasonable clean out so far with more to come next year. As Ramps says it's not about 2008. Because we had to start from scratch, our new core will come from those who are 18-22 y.o. now.

[mightytiges]

Why is everyone in such a hurry to improve right away, we can afford another year at the bottom before setting on the march to success. We dont have enough good talent at the moment, we need more talent. We need to add 3 class juniors next year - 1 midfielder, 1 key position and 1 ruckman. To do that we need to finish on the bottom and get the first 2 picks in effect Rich and Hurley or Rich and Natanui.

A bottom finish gives a 3rd pick inside 20 to find another player of quality even players in the 30s will be ok.

And we have to use the PSD, they have to be lining someone up from now. Lachlan Hansen comes out of contract from North, Id imagine- hes the sort of player that could be convinced to come over. Anyway, for me its not about 2008... its 3 and 4 years from now- because then its going to be when we should be close- very close. 

Exactly Ramps. We've waited 26 years so what's a couple of more years to get the job done properly. It took clubs like Geelong and the Eagles 6-8 years to rebuild and get to the top but some of our supporters are expecting us to get there in just 3-4  .

[Little Jackie]

The bombers supporters' (bomberblitz) season preview of Richmond......... 

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Here we go again, looking at each team and what we expect from them next year. Those offended by discussing something other than Essendon on the forum feel free to ready something else.

Richmond suffered from a false dawn. They had Terry Wallace come in and as they had done for other coaches they started to show improvement. Then they turned into the Richmond we all rely on. Last year they were terrible. Wallace could see it before the season got going when he warned that the Tiges were 5 or 6 years away from challenging. Shame his contract doesnt last that long.

Richmond sufferred with injuries to their rucks which are thinner than probably even us. It starts with Simmonds and finished with Simmonds. Any chance the Tigers have of improving rests on his average shoulders.

The backline was weakened early last season when any players they had who could stop goals were told they were no longer required. They have some quality unaccountable backs in Bowden and Polak but seem to lack anyone who can shut down an opposition forward when they hit their stride. Geelongs absolute demolition of them last year was embarassing for everyone and they had no answer at all.

The forward line is aging. Richardson still owns the forward 50 and it is hard to see an heir to his throne. He has lost a little of his spark and unless Brown finds a little of his form of old and gets truly fit then it is hard to see them kicking enough goals each week. McMahon is an interesting prospect for them but whilst a quality player he isnt a matchwinner. Richmond dont have very many match winners at all. Jack Reiwoldt could be the X factor in the forward line but he realistically is probably another season away from being ready.

The midfield is probably the main area of strength for the Tiges. Deledio developed further last year and will soon become elite, Tambling seems to take two steps backwards and one sideways for every forward step in his career and seems little more than a bit part player taken way too high in the draft. Coghlan who was one of the highest rated inside midfielders a couple of years back is now in a constant fight against his own body to play the game. Polo a revelation a in 06 was woeful in 07, Shane Tuck the same dropped his bundle last year.

As much as I think the Tigers would love to put 07 behind then I think they will repeat the dose this season coming. Another spoon for a team whose list looks even weaker than the start of last year.

http://www.bomberblitz.com/forum/index.php?s=919048090fb07b9977b0fab9d992b918&showtopic=38456

Fairly accurate assessment actually.
Most things listed are factual

you are nothing if not predictable jack
go and support the bombers, or are you waiting for the 17th team so you can get a job like sheedy

mate, I support Richmond, always have and always will.
Its that I am realistic of where we are at as a club, I dont smoke the stuff some of your people smoke on a here a thus have an objective approach on matters.
I dont live in Dreamworld

[blaisee]

Mate, you wouldnt know so I will tell you.
He knew he was to be traded to Fremantle but at the last minute he changed his mind and decided to stay in Melbourne. FACT.
If you dont believe me, seeing you are on the ""Inner"" at punt road, go and ask him yourself.

as usual jack

proven be a poo talker of the highest order

lies lies and more lies, again

[Gracie]

......If you ask the people who supposely know at punt road, 2007 failure was due to the dismal effort of the ""senior group""

So you are once again bagging the "people who supposedly know at Punt road" because you don't agree that the "2007 failure was due to the dismal effort of the ""senior group"" "

But then you say a couple of posts later you go on to bag some of our senior players as soft:

We go and recruit Jordan McMahon to do what ? Hold hands with Tivendale and Joel

I am glad I know that you are a disgruntled ex-employee otherwise I might be thinking you have no idea what you are talking about

[Little Jackie]

Gracie, get over it
I am a Richmond supporter.Me disgrunted,? i walked
As for McMahon.
McMahon is soft and so is Tivs and to a lesser extent Joel.

[Ramps]

When you finish on the bottom that is 16th in a 16 team comp, well that basically means you dont have alot of talent, sure- we have players who will improve, but this natural improvement from the likes of Edwards and Tambling and Conners and co. will probably get us to 6th to 8th. To get from 6th-8th to winning the whole box and dice you need more talent, thats why Im in no hurry in 2008. Us improving in 2008 will lead to heartache down the track and then a long trek back...1 more year at the bottom folks- the first 2 picks and a 3rd inside 20, a good PSD pick and the 6th to 8th suddenly tracks out to 3rd-4th down the track. When your looking at a top 4 side then you are only 1 or 2 maybe 3 players away- and your looking for specific types- speed mids, inside mids, a playmaker in defence- your probably not looking for a top KPP at that stage you should have already have them on your list. When you get to that point- then its pretty likely youll get 1 in 2009, the next one in 2010 and the final piece around 2011. If you find more than 1 in any of those 3 years then the scenario occurs quicker or at the least builds you enough depth and momentum for big things around 2011 and 2012- but we need to stay at the bottom 1 more time. If we do that- then I will be one of the ones demanding no more bottom finishes- because the rebuild should be just about done- 2009 onwards- everyone should be looking for wins and the start of a long period of playing finals.

[Little Jackie]

Mate, you wouldnt know so I will tell you.
He knew he was to be traded to Fremantle but at the last minute he changed his mind and decided to stay in Melbourne. FACT.
If you dont believe me, seeing you are on the ""Inner"" at punt road, go and ask him yourself.

as usual jack

proven be a poo talker of the highest order

lies lies and more lies, again

Have obviously caught you out pal.
Too scared to ask Cogs are we ? Thought so.
I dont why I bother to argue with idiots.
I actually sat next too his Mum at the best and fairest a few years back and he had wanted out for a long time.. The deal was done with Freo but he changed his mind, fact!- But I dont need to explain myself and my contacts to idiots do I ?
You have a good xmas Blaisee and I look forward to your TOP QUALITY posts , similar to the one I am replying too.
Tell you whats even more funnier, Ramps is 100% right with assesement on things. Good chance we will win the spoon again in 2008, hate too see what you are like then.

[Gracie]

When you finish on the bottom that is 16th in a 16 team comp, well that basically means you dont have alot of talent, sure- we have players who will improve, but this natural improvement from the likes of Edwards and Tambling and Conners and co. will probably get us to 6th to 8th. To get from 6th-8th to winning the whole box and dice you need more talent, thats why Im in no hurry in 2008. Us improving in 2008 will lead to heartache down the track and then a long trek back...1 more year at the bottom folks- the first 2 picks and a 3rd inside 20, a good PSD pick and the 6th to 8th suddenly tracks out to 3rd-4th down the track. When your looking at a top 4 side then you are only 1 or 2 maybe 3 players away- and your looking for specific types- speed mids, inside mids, a playmaker in defence- your probably not looking for a top KPP at that stage you should have already have them on your list. When you get to that point- then its pretty likely youll get 1 in 2009, the next one in 2010 and the final piece around 2011. If you find more than 1 in any of those 3 years then the scenario occurs quicker or at the least builds you enough depth and momentum for big things around 2011 and 2012- but we need to stay at the bottom 1 more time. If we do that- then I will be one of the ones demanding no more bottom finishes- because the rebuild should be just about done- 2009 onwards- everyone should be looking for wins and the start of a long period of playing finals.

Agree Ramps the picks available to us this year won't be available when the 17th and 18th team are added. One more year of low results.

[Ramps]

Ri FB Will Thursfield, Dave Gourdis, Luke McGuane
Ri HB Dean Polo, Alex Rance, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
Ri C  Daniel Connors, Daniel Rich, Shane Edwards
Ri HF Mitch Morton, Michael Hurley, Jack Riewoldt
Ri FF Richard Tambling, Cleve Hughes, Brett Deledio
Ri Foll Adam Pattison, Trent Cotchin, Nathan Foley

I took this team from the future forces thread, its not my team or where I would pick players. Add a Rich and a Hurley, or a Rich and a Natanui. I havent included a player from a 3rd pick inside 20 or a psd target pick. The side they had didnt include Thursty or Foley so I included them.
What this side does at the end of 2008 is it gives the basis for future success, in defence- maybe we'll be looking for a playmaker, we'll need a ruckman ... then we're just looking for quality picks anywhere. I dont know about you but thats one hell of a young guns team headed towards 2011 and 2012 with more picks and players to come.

[mightytiges]

Ri FB Will Thursfield, Dave Gourdis, Luke McGuane
Ri HB Dean Polo, Alex Rance, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
Ri C  Daniel Connors, Daniel Rich, Shane Edwards
Ri HF Mitch Morton, Michael Hurley, Jack Riewoldt
Ri FF Richard Tambling, Cleve Hughes, Brett Deledio
Ri Foll Adam Pattison, Trent Cotchin, Nathan Foley

With a couple more smalls on the bench as well that's one hell of a future midfield rotation  .

[Ramps]

And clearly I forgot a Chris Newman as well, Meyer isnt in either but if he comes up then we're really rolling along, If Jacko continues hes development as a tag then he makes a 22 as well. So its a good side going forward especially when you can add another good pick theoretically an early 2nd round in 2008- and hopefully a quality PSD pick up (by finishing bottom), a first rounder in 2009 and a first rounder in 2010.