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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 12:42:44 AM »
Eddie's grand plan for a Tasmanian team by 2028.

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2021, 03:26:49 PM »
Eddie sniffing his own farts again... bloke's a glorified used car salesman... :shh

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2021, 05:21:44 AM »
But a key question will be the report’s stance on the merits of an existing team relocating to Tasmania, or the alternative of the state being granted the 19th license and fielding a standalone team.

Channel Seven reported on Thursday night that the Carter report did not recommend a start-up 19th team, saying there was no business case for expansion because it wouldn’t add television dollars, and that it would require relocation or a club deal to play home games in Tasmania.

North Melbourne have strongly resisted any push to be the relocated Tasmanian team.

The other key issue will be the proposed time frame, and whether the report accepts the Tasmanian government view that the state should have a team by the middle of this decade (2025), by which stage the AFL will have a new broadcast rights deal.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-report-to-be-bullish-about-tassie-team-s-viability-20210812-p58icc.html

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2021, 02:56:32 PM »
Here's the full Colin Carter report: https://mcusercontent.com/7cd32ad25c565a577b74060a9/files/c5b8e967-0ac9-b076-13f5-c05aa0e8abfa/Carter_Review_Tasmania_Licence_2021.pdf


Major findings of the review include:

* The case for Tasmania is strong, particularly with the deep historical links to our game and there should be a team representing Tasmania in the AFL/AFLW national competitions - however the best form of that team is less clear-cut.

* The case can be made for a 19th Licence but re-location of an existing team if a club is prepared to take that path, or a joint venture between Tasmanian stakeholders and a Victorian team that secures strong support in two markets from the outset, would arguably produce a more sustainable outcome and therefore should be considered before a 19th licence.

* Reaching a decision on a team to represent Tasmania should not be impacted by Covid but the decision around timing should. The AFL and the clubs will reasonably minimise new financial risks and the clubs should not be expected to make a final decision at a time when AFL industry finances are under stress.

* Any outcome is dependent on locking in State Government funding guarantees and provision of appropriate stadia and related facilities in Tasmania and these should be finalised ahead of any decision.

* Tasmania is deserving of a team to represent the state on historic and fairness grounds and most economic arguments can be overcome as long as Government funding is secured.

* A 19th team would be positioned in the middle of the bottom third of the wealth ladder of our industry, but a combined Tasmanian and Victorian support base would position the new club in the middle wealth ranks of AFL clubs, a formidable competitor on and off the field.

* The Taskforce submitted that a 19th team would be net accretive because of incremental media rights but this review notes that AFL and industry advice is that broadcast rights are unlikely to reach the levels forecast by the Taskforce

* Many of the risks of starting a new team in Tasmania can be managed regardless of which pathway is chosen and key concerns raised in opposition to a team such as the size of the Tasmanian population, the north-south rivalry, player retention, dilution of talent, fixture complications and the state of the Tasmanian economy are all issues that can be managed and should not influence the decision on a team, whatever the eventual model.

* Tasmania is a football state and the cost of securing a football state are reasonable, fulfils the purpose of the AFL and is the right thing to do.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/663268/afl-statement-on-findings-of-the-colin-carter-report

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2021, 03:12:33 PM »
Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein said his government would not renew North Melbourne and Hawthorn’s deals for AFL games in the state until the league gave a timeline for a team, and ruled out the “joint venture” option.

“Our preference very clearly is for a licence for a 19th standalone Tasmanian team,” Mr Gutwein said on Friday.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tasmania-s-afl-case-is-strong-but-pathway-into-league-clouded-20210813-p58ig1.html

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Jack Riewoldt's view:

“I feel like that is just tokenism if they do that. It’s not the way forward for Tassie footy,” the triple premiership Tiger said.

“I’m certainly of the belief that I don’t think a relocated team would work and I don’t think a joint venture (would work).

“Hawthorn and North Melbourne play four games at either end of the state. Whilst it’s great to have AFL football in Tasmania, I think the 19th licence is certainly the one – and the main driver in this has been premier Peter Gutwein.

“I think he sees this as his legacy piece.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/12/riewoldt-reacts-to-recommendations-in-carters-tasmania-report/

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2021, 02:40:32 PM »
The AFL will next year discuss a possible timeline for the long-talked about team based in Tasmania.

AFL boss Gillon McLachlan has agreed to taking a decision in 2022 on the prospect of a club in the Apple Isle joining the League as a 19th team.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/670219/afl-to-make-historic-decision-on-tassie-team-in-2022

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2021, 04:39:03 PM »
Jack Riewoldt and Chris Fagan support Tasmania's AFL bid

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Riewoldt echoed the sentiment as the AFL look set to announce the fate of Tasmania's bid by March next year.

"Hopefully Tassie gets the licence, I am really excited when March rolls around, I mean just the addition of Clarkson into the working group is a real big coup," he said.

"Certainly I think the passion is there and it may be a little bit dormant at the moment but I was lucky enough to live a bit of that through the VFL program before the draft.

"So if it gets up and going it'd be very exciting."

https://www.examiner.com.au/story/7508357/fagan-and-riewoldt-back-in-tasmanias-afl-bid-ahead-of-next-season/?cs=12

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Time for Tassie team to get the nod, says Jack Riewoldt (Age)
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2022, 02:12:06 PM »
Time for Tassie team to get the nod, says Jack Riewoldt

Jon Pierik
The Age
February 21, 2022


Richmond star Jack Riewoldt has urged the 18 AFL club presidents to sign off on a standalone Tasmanian club this year and says it’s time for the men’s and women’s seasons to be played simultaneously.

Riewoldt, who has matured into one of the deep-thinking veterans of the league and a future broadcast analyst, also said players needed to be mindful of the financial pain many in the community have experienced as the AFL Players Association and AFL work towards a new collective bargaining agreement for male and female players.

Tasmanian Tiger Jack Riewoldt wants the 18 clubs to vote for a standalone team in his home state.
Tasmanian Tiger Jack Riewoldt wants the 18 clubs to vote for a standalone team in his home state.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS

An independent report by former Geelong president Colin Carter last year found relocating an existing team to Tasmania or setting up a “joint venture” with a Victorian club could be more sustainable than adding a 19th franchise, but Riewoldt, a proud Tasmanian, said Tasmanian football deserved a new team.

“My opinion is that it needs to be an original side. There is baggage that comes with relocated sides and I would be disappointed for the supporters of the side that was relocated,” he said.

“Everyone hints at the Gold Coast being the side that is relocated. There are 20,000 members up at the Gold Coast that are invested in that footy club. I would feel sorry for them to lose that side and lose their heartland of that area, as I would for any side that was relocated.

“I just think the buy-in for the Tasmanian people, to have it start in Tassie, and that be the birthplace of the team, would be pretty special.”

The Suns and AFL have made it clear the Gold Coast side will not be moving.

Riewoldt’s cousin, former St Kilda captain Nick, is a Tasmanian AFL taskforce member working through all the issues.

Club presidents will discuss Tasmania’s bid, underpinned by state government backing, at their annual meeting on the eve of the new season, with a vote expected within months. If the bid is endorsed, some club presidents believe it would be financially best to wait until closer to the end of the decade for the new team to debut.

Carter’s report said a Tasmanian team would sit in the lower-middle section of the AFL’s “wealth ladder”.

“To be honest, the whisperings I am hearing, it’s only positive at the moment,” Jack Riewoldt, the triple-premiership star, said.

“I really don’t know a timeline but what I will say is that the people who are in the process have been open about wanting the feedback and wanting to be judged properly, not a tokenism about just giving us a side and figuring out the issues that come with an AFL side after the licence has been granted. They actually want to have it ironed out and be as well-prepared and waterproof in terms of the logistical side of things … right down to the nitty-gritty of the business model.”

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/time-for-tassie-team-to-get-the-nod-says-jack-riewoldt-20220221-p59y7i.html

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2022, 03:29:03 PM »
Sam Edmund on SEN reckons a final vote for a new Tassie team will be held in August.

It will be a vote for a Tassie team to enter the comp. in 5-10 years time not next year.

Believes the AFL commission supports brining in a Tassie team and so only 6 AFL clubs (rather than the usual 12) have to vote in favour for it to go ahead.


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Tasmanian government’s bold $150m bid for AFL team revealed (Age)
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2022, 07:35:15 AM »
Tasmanian government’s bold $150m bid for AFL team revealed

Caroline Wilson
The Age
May 28, 2022


The Tasmanian government has made a bold $150 million bid to secure the creation of the southern state’s first AFL team.

Tasmania’s new Premier Jeremy Rockliff made the private submission to the AFL early this month with the view to establish a team in Hobart, which would be expected to join the competition by 2028 and as early as 2026.

The government proposal envisaged a 10-year deal worth $100 million with a further $50 million in start-up costs, including a state-of-the-art high-performance facility placed within walking distance of Hobart’s CBD, prioritising the attraction and retention of elite football talent.

The submission also sought clarification from head office regarding its pledged support to rebuild the game at grassroots level in the once-talent-rich football state. The government bid comes with tri-partisan support after Tasmania’s Liberal government reached agreements with both state Labor and the Greens.

While the AFL has not yet provided a formal response to the premier, talks held last week between league bosses and the government-sanctioned Tasmanian taskforce indicated that the league wanted a longer-term commitment than 10 years.

As negotiations continue it is also understood that the taskforce would consider a compromise proposal which could lead to the granting of a decade-long provisional licence. In another compromise, the government could underwrite the Tasmanian team to the tune of $12.5 million each year with the AFL contributing to the start-up costs.

The AFL has denied it made a formal bid for an annual $20 million commitment from the government amid fears it is pushing for a major cash grab to win over the 18 club presidents. The $10 million annual funding proposal is in line with the 2021 Colin Carter report, which estimated a state government contribution of between $7 million and $11 million per annum. The taskforce projections have the proposed team boasting a start-up membership of 30,000.

A level of angst is building among key players involved in the Tasmanian bid as it awaits clarification upon its football soft cap, player list sizes and the quality of its fixture. Current costings according to the bid would place the new team roughly 12th or 13th in annual turnover, including AFL contributions.

Details of the bid have emerged as AFL boss Gillon McLachlan faces a battle to win over a number of sceptical club presidents. McLachlan, who on Friday denied he had lost the hunger to lead the creation of a stand-alone Tasmanian team, is adamant he does not want to put the Tasmanian proposal to a vote but rather gain unanimous club support.

While a number of clubs have been unwilling to take a final position on Tasmania before the full details of the proposal are unveiled, Sydney, Collingwood and the Gold Coast have all indicated they are unlikely to support the bid. A final decision is still scheduled in August after what looms as an historic meeting between the AFL Commission and the 18 clubs.

Rockliff’s submission comes after former premier Peter Gutwein’s shock resignation earlier this year, an announcement viewed by the AFL as a setback for the Tasmanian bid. Both McLachlan and his chairman Richard Goyder were scheduled to fly to Tasmania to meet Gutwein.

Responding this week to suggestions that some clubs still saw the relocation of North Melbourne to Tasmania as a preferable alternative - an alternative previously explored by McLachlan - Rockliff said: “Tasmania has waited long enough and Tasmanians won’t accept a team with half its heart in Melbourne.

“The roaring success of the JackJumpers prove how important this is to Tasmania, and we do not want to see the AFL get left behind. It’s time to make history once and for all.”

The Kangaroos, too, have wholeheartedly rejected the relocation talks.

The Tasmanian campaign has repeatedly stated that this bid looms as the last opportunity to save Australian rules football in one of its historic heartland states and set it upon a thriving expansionist pathway.

Should Tasmania fail in its bid to win a licence, Rockliff’s government has indicated the state will no longer underwrite the multimillion-dollar deals funding Hawthorn and to a lesser extent North Melbourne to play in Tasmania. No other start-up AFL team has been underwritten by public money.

AFL executive Travis Auld has been leading the negotiations with the taskforce along with the league’s new Tasmanian boss Sam Graham, while the league’s general manager of football Brad Scott has been working on issues such as list sizes, the soft cap, football pathways, a second-tier competition and special draft rules for the new team.

Four-time premiership coach Alastair Clarkson recently visited the United States in part to look at top-of-the range football and basketball facilities as part of the proposal to create an elite training and administration base for the team, which would most likely be built alongside the proposed new stadium in the regatta grounds, alongside the Derwent River less than a kilometre from the CBD, or at nearby Sandy Bay.


An artists’ impression of how the new stadium could look in Hobart.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/tasmanian-government-s-bold-150m-bid-for-afl-team-revealed-20220526-p5aoui.html

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2022, 01:46:26 PM »
Eddie's idea for the Tasmania Kangaroos.


"This is not relocating North Melbourne to Tasmania, or Tassie missing out on a team."

Eddie McGuire reveals his BIG proposal for a Melbourne-based team to combine with Tassie to form a 'super club' – and the man he'd headhunt to coach it. 


Watch here: https://twitter.com/FootyonNine/status/1537049466955513857

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2022, 07:25:58 PM »
Tasmania boasts four legends in the Australian Football Hall of Fame.

⁦@Richmond_FC great Royce Hart has called on the #AFL to act in the interests of the game by allocating a 19th licence to his home state.

Courtesy ⁦@7NewsMelbourne


https://twitter.com/BelieveTasmania/status/1551878738270654464

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2022, 03:44:25 PM »
RIEWOLDT HITS BACK AT MATTHEWS OVER TASSIE COMMENTS

By Andrew Slevison
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29 July 2022


Jack Riewoldt has hit back at Leigh Matthews for his “cut the crap” comments regarding the Tasmanian AFL bid.

Riewoldt, a proud Tasmanian, believes Matthews’ words only diminished what has been an ongoing push for a state steeped in VFL/AFL tradition.

The Richmond star was forthright in his response to the comments which came after Matthews challenged the “fabric” of the game in the wake of the Jack Ginnivan non-decision.

“Leigh Matthews has come out and said, ‘Cut the crap, it’s not the be all and end all’ if Tasmania doesn’t get a team and it won’t affect a lot of people if they don’t get a team,” Riewoldt said on SEN Tassie.

“But in the same interview he spoke about the essence of the game and not being able to sleep because Jack Ginnivan didn’t get a free kick, that he was up all night thinking about that because it’s the fabric of the game.

“This is the thing that I constantly beat my head against the wall about, is that Tasmania is the fabric of the game.

“They are an interwoven part of what is the AFL blanket. They are an original thread of why this game is so great.

“It’s tearing at the fabric if Tasmania’s push doesn’t get up. That’s solely it.

“You’ve got to look through the AFL Team of the Century - Royce Hart, Ian Stewart, plus Darell Baldock.

“The influence of Tasmania on the AFL and the game that Leigh Matthews has became arguably the greatest player at is there to see.

“It’s taken a while now to get a legitimate push up. Now this push is here, just to say ‘cut the crap’, doesn’t cut the mustard for me.”

Another who has discredited the Tassie push is outspoken Gold Coast Suns chairman Tony Cochrane.

Colin Carter, who undertook the task of proving a team in the Apple Isle can be viable, has been mystified by some of the chat surrounding the state’s bid for a licence.

“I find the comments from some of those other clubs mystifying,” Carter added on SEN Tassie.

“I’m a great fan of Tony Cochrane and what he’s done up there, I got to know him a bit when I was up in the hub 18 months ago.

“But I can’t even begin to fathom his attack on the proposition of a Tasmanian team on the basis that it can’t be afforded.

“It seems to me like he’s saying, ‘We don’t need another team like us’, and that’s a pretty weird argument to make.

“Because in arguing that the Tasmanian team will be a drain on the competition, he’s effectively saying, ‘We don’t want a drain like my club is’. I don’t think their club is a drain, either.”

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/07/29/riewoldt-hits-back-at-matthews-over-tassie-comments/

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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2022, 03:26:44 AM »
‘New vision’: How $250m stadium bill discount could swing 19th team vote in Tassie’s favour

“There will be a vote by the end of the month,” Ralph said on Fox Footy.

“The Tasmanian Government believe they can secure funding for a stadium that’s less than $500m.

“The feasibility study that’s underway with the current taskforce and government won’t be completed by the end of April, but they believe if you have a $500m bill, it would be dollar for dollar.

“Federal government, State government, there’d be some private partnership investment, with a hotel, convention centre, parking of course which would attract some visitors.

“My understanding is the other work streams are basically done, basically ticked off. None of the them are game changers. The stadium is the massive issue.

“So the plan will go to the AFL committee, let’s call it mid-month. It will go back to the presidents to go back their own boards, and then presidents like Jeff Kennett will come to a consensus view.

“We will have a decision either way.”

The new stadium would be based upon the Queensland Country Bank Stadium in Townsville, which was built for $295m two years ago.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/how-250m-stadium-bill-discount-could-swing-vote-in-tasmanias-favour/news-story/d94b2175bd98a5ab153efce9eb0b66b2

Queensland Country Bank Stadium in Townsville:



They also mentioned something like Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin which has a Perspex see-through roof and a natural grass pitch:



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Re: Tasmanian team [merged]
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2022, 08:51:05 AM »
I like the idea of a Tax team but have been saying for years now there's just not enough talent to field 18 professional teams let alone 19.

Move a crap club or two down there. Norf and maybe GWS can merge and move. Stick to 16 teams, better quality.