State of Umpiring [merged]

[Andyy]

What a joke.

Teams have been sucking us in for a year. Prestia does it once and the papers have a look
Gagf

[mightytiges]

It will be ironic if the only reason the stupid Stand rule gets abolished is because the haters think it's now advantaging us  . 

[one-eyed]

Why ‘ridiculous’ punishment is grossly out of whack

Player dissent, wasting time and the stand-rule have seen 50m penalties almost double this season. Does the punishment fit the crime though?

AFL great Kevin Sheedy says 50m penalties are killing the game and is advocating the introduction of a 25m penalty as a matter of urgency.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-news-2022-coaching-great-kevin-sheedy-says-the-game-needs-a-25m-penalty/news-story/276454d14dd4feb5c8a2879e1602172f

[MintOnLamb]

Another rule change, then it will be argued that should have been a 50 instead of a 25, ….

[pmac21]

50 metre penalty should be only for egregious actions like late bump, tackle and 20 metre penalty introduced for the small incidentals like mouthing off etc. 
Stand rule should go completely, it's just rubbish.  Honestly, ruining the game. 

[JP Tiger]

Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!   
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on! 

[Tiger Khosh]

Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!   
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!

Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.

Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.

[Andyy]

Just fo the stand rule

[JP Tiger]

Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!   
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!

Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.

Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.

But a player faking a handball has had plenty of opportunity think his decision through ... and he chose to fake a handball!  Play on! 

[MintOnLamb]

It is obvious, scrap the stand rule

[Tiger Khosh]

Nope, a 25mtr penalty is even more stupid than the stand rule!   
If the player in possession fakes a handball attempting to draw a 50mtr penalty just call play on!

Disagree. Players should be allowed to think through their decisions before disposing of the football. The whole ‘faking’ terminology is incorrect. Players should be allowed to change their mind as to how they release the footy while they are in possession. They aren’t robots capable of making the correct decision within milliseconds. As long as they don’t run off the mark there shouldn’t be a play on call.

Again there are suggestions to tinker/add rules to help better facilitate a new one rather than just getting rid of the stupid thing in the first place. Is there anyone in the media who has said the rule should be abolished? It’s like everyone’s been given a directive to say how much they love it.

But a player faking a handball has had plenty of opportunity think his decision through ... and he chose to fake a handball!  Play on!

You keep saying ‘fake’ a handball as in its 100% garaunteed that they are purposefully completing the motion without any intention of getting rid of the ball. How many times do players think giving the ball to a player is the best option initially, only to then see a better option? You can’t just say play on for the sake of it. The player with possession has either marked the ball or received a free kick. It is a dead ball situation from the location marked by the umpire. Unless they step off that line or take longer  than 30 seconds there shouldn’t be any call. Again why are we trying to redefine/edit rules that have been around 100 years just to help better govern a 1 year old stupid rule?

[mightytiges]

Again why are we trying to redefine/edit rules that have been around 100 years just to help better govern a 1 year old stupid rule?

It's what the AFL stupidly does. Introduce another daft rule to try and 'fix' the mess their previous daft rule has created  .

I think that's why people are hoping for an outsider to replace Gill. Someone with fresh views and ideas who can see how ridiculous the rules are now and how the officiating of the sport is in crisis. The AFL is trying to simply blame abuse for umps dropping off a lower levels. I would argue it's the numerous complicated rules that make umpiring virtually impossible now days. Imagine a job where the bosses kept arbitrarily changing how you did your job without consultation all the time and you copped the blame for it from clients and customers. No wonder people are dropping out of umpiring. The rules need stripping back and simplified back to focussing on the basics.

[Tiger Khosh]

I may be remembering incorrectly but didn’t they use to put rule changes to a panel and also let the coaches have input and then trial them in preseason before deciding whether to implement them or not? All of which were bypassed by Hocking for this stupid stand rule?

[Andyy]

It's like watching netball.

Obstruction! Obstruction!

[WilliamPowell]

I may be remembering incorrectly but didn’t they use to put rule changes to a panel and also let the coaches have input and then trial them in preseason before deciding whether to implement them or not? All of which were bypassed by Hocking for this stupid stand rule?

Yep.

In his role SHOCKING could either over ride the rules committee or introduce whatever rule he liked. For memory he was allowed to bring one rule a season bypassing the rules committee. However, whatever rule he put up had to be approved by Gil and the commission. Gil and the commission okayed the stand rule