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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 20, 2009, 06:43:13 PM
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Whisper from a Hawks fan is we are playing them down at Aurora on February 13 (Saturday night).
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NOw if this true :pray :pray :pray
I will be there :thumbsup
I don't need an excuse to head over to Tassie to my favourite Uncle & Aunty - footy is just a bonus ;D
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hopefully this is true :) :)
:gotigers
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i recall getting excited bout this last time and it turned out to be BS...hope so
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If true Hardwick starts his senior coaching career against his coaching mentor. Interesting to see given the disaster of last year how seriously we treat the NAB Cup to get supporters back on board.
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If true Hardwick starts his senior coaching career against his coaching mentor. Interesting to see given the disaster of last year how seriously we treat the NAB Cup to get supporters back on board.
I guess no expectation on success from the fans and how that translates to membership sales and dollars I do not know, but judging on our last few pre season campaigns membership still has grown overall despite the fact we have made the second round in the pre season twice since losing in the final to Port in 2002.
Just a query if anyone has the figures. Finals in 2001 and made the pre season final in 2002 , beat Pies by 6 goals in season opener. Results were awful after that huge let down. What were our membership figures in 2002 and then in 2003? If they fell based on the hype and the delivery of none of the hype generated then we should expect the same next season. >:(
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If true Hardwick starts his senior coaching career against his coaching mentor. Interesting to see given the disaster of last year how seriously we treat the NAB Cup to get supporters back on board.
I guess no expectation on success from the fans and how that translates to membership sales and dollars I do not know, but judging on our last few pre season campaigns membership still has grown overall despite the fact we have made the second round in the pre season twice since losing in the final to Port in 2002.
Just a query if anyone has the figures. Finals in 2001 and made the pre season final in 2002 , beat Pies by 6 goals in season opener. Results were awful after that huge let down. What were our membership figures in 2002 and then in 2003? If they fell based on the hype and the delivery of none of the hype generated then we should expect the same next season. >:(
Strange thing - our membership figures have rarely (if ever) followed our on-field results, increasing almost every year despite our poor performance. In the past, too much emphasis has been placed on ladder position in relation to memberships. What will have far more impact is providing good deals for members, not treating them like a cash cow that can be continually milked.
But having said that, a few years of success WOULD see an above average increase - of that I am very confident. We have a very large supporter base still lying dormant and waiting.
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Just a query if anyone has the figures. Finals in 2001 and made the pre season final in 2002 , beat Pies by 6 goals in season opener. Results were awful after that huge let down. What were our membership figures in 2002 and then in 2003? If they fell based on the hype and the delivery of none of the hype generated then we should expect the same next season. >:(
IIRC our membership figures fell most years under Spud except for his last year in charge. Started with 29k in 1999 and ended up with only 25k by 2003 :P
1994 8,229
1995 14,647
1996 20,308
1997 24,975
1998 27,092
1999 29,047
2000 26,869
2001 26,501
2002 27,251
2003 25,101
2004 27,133
2005 28,029 + 6,378
2006 29,406 + 7,243
2007 30,044 + 7,579
2008 30,820 + 8,184
2009 36,981 + 9,221
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Funny how it kept going up under Wallace as well.... he couldn't have been that bad, lets hope it keeps going up under Hardwick.
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The NAB Cup fixture will be announced at 9.45am tomorrow on the AFL site.
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Losers of Hawks v Tigers and Geelong v ??, play a NAB challange match in Yea.
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where do you find the information on the NAB challenge matches? Hoping for a match out in Cranny Vegas aka Casey Fields...
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2010 NAB Cup Fixture
Round 1: February 12-21
Match Date Teams Venue Local Time Network
Week 1
1 Fri 12 Feb West Coast vs Essendon Subiaco Oval 17:40 7
2 Sat 13 Feb Adelaide vs Port Adelaide AAMI Stadium 16:40 FOX
3 Sat 13 Feb Hawthorn vs Richmond Aurora Stadium 19:40 10
4 Sun 14 Feb Western Bulldogs vs Brisbane Lions Manuka Oval 16:40 FOX
Week 2
5 Fri 19 Feb St Kilda vs Collingwood Etihad Stadium 19:40 7
6 Sat 20 Feb Sydney Swans vs Carlton Blacktown 19:40 10
7 Sun 21 Feb Geelong Cats vs North Melbourne Etihad Stadium 16:40 FOX
8 Sun 21 Feb Fremantle vs Melbourne Subiaco Oval 17:40 FOX
Round 2: February 25-28
Match Date Teams Venue Local Time Network
9 Thurs 25 Feb Winner Match 1 vs Winner Match 2 Etihad Stadium 19:10 FOX
Sat 27 Feb WCE/Ess vs Adel/Port Subiaco Oval 17:40
10 Fri 26 Feb Winner Match 3 vs Winner Match 4 Etihad Stadium 19:40 7
Haw/Rich vs WB/BL
11 Sat 27 Feb Winner Match 5 vs Winner Match 6 Etihad Stadium 19:10 10
StK/Coll vs Syd/Carl
12 Sun 28 Feb Winner Match 7 vs Winner Match 8 Etihad Stadium 16:40 FOX
Geel/NMFC Vs Fre/Melb
Round 3: March 5-6
Match Date Teams Venue Local Time Network
13 Fri 5 Mar Winner Match 9 vs Winner Match 10 Etihad Stadium 19:40 7
AAMI Stadium 19:10
14 Sat 6 Mar Winner Match 11 vs Winner Match 12 Etihad Stadium 19:10 FOX / 10
Blacktown 19:10
Grand Final: March 13
Match Date Teams Venue Time Network
15 Sat 13 Mar Winner Match 13 vs Winner Match 14 At venue to be determined by AFL 19:40 10
http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20cup%20fixture/tabid/15297/default.aspx
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where do you find the information on the NAB challenge matches? Hoping for a match out in Cranny Vegas aka Casey Fields...
I can't find it on the AFL site. One of the articles says one match will be played in Yea to support those areas devastated by this year's bushfires.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/86373/default.aspx
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The media are already on the master vs apprentice talk
(http://sportal.com.au/site/_content/leadimage/00044342-image.jpg)
Hardwick to face Clarkson in NAB Cup
27/10/2009
Paul Gough
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/hardwick-to-face-clarko-80247
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Great to see Richmond playing in tasmania.
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Great for the Club to have every game we could possibly play in on Free To Air TV but it's hard to see us getting past the Hawks down there. Then again in the NAB Cup anything can happen. It depends on how seriously the Hawks take the preseason comp.
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I think the Hawks will have something to prove next year that last year was no fluke and that Clarkson is not a one trick pony. Another first round loss to us. One a side note the last time we played Hawthorn in the pre season and lost to them in Tassie way back in 2001 we made the Preliminary Final in the season proper. :thumbsup
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Yep another unsuccessful NAB Cup coming up, down in Tassie against a Hawk side re-loaded with EXPERIENCED players against a youthfull inexperienced side who up to this point have the same experience or lack there of from years gone by. :whistle
Sorry but I just thought we could have picked up one or two experienced players to help us out over the next 2 years during the first phase of our re-building nightmare.
Be prepared for a shalacking unless the Hawks go in very unmanned and we go in we a side about as strong as we can field.
Gee pessimistic aren't I or am I being realistic????
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All booked for tassie :thumbsup
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Yep another unsuccessful NAB Cup coming up, down in Tassie against a Hawk side re-loaded with EXPERIENCED players against a youthfull inexperienced side who up to this point have the same experience or lack there of from years gone by. :whistle
Sorry but I just thought we could have picked up one or two experienced players to help us out over the next 2 years during the first phase of our re-building nightmare.
It's NAB cup, remember this year, they dragged it out for that long that we were all sick of it in the end.
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To be honest I find it hard to get excited about the NAB Cup.... The integrity of that competition is shot to bits (thanks Paul Roos).
If the Hawks want to puff their chests out in Tasmania...so be it.
Nothing is more important than beating the Blues (scum) in rd 1.
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yep another practice game no 1 cares :lol
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Gee some real negative Nellies here.
Yes the NAB is just a glorified practice match but we get a chance to watch our team & check out how the boys are looking/going & a new coaching style.
Bring it on!
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NAB Cup.... it is what it is.
Most people can recite every Premiership team for the last 30/40/50 years.
When it comes to the NAB Cup ....well I need to "google" who won it 4 years ago.
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Book early if you're travelling down to Tassie for this....
Tigers v Hawks in Tassie
Adam Smith
October 28, 2009
RICHMOND will play Hawthorn in their NAB Cup opener next season under lights at Aurora Stadium.
Richmond's favourite son, Tasmanian-born Matthew Richardson, will get the opportunity to play in front of his home fans a final time in the mouth-watering pre-season fixture at Aurora Stadium.
The Tigers will clash with the Hawks under lights on Saturday, February 13, with the game to start at 7.40pm and broadcast by Channel 10.
Speculation had been mounting the 34-year-old, 282-game veteran would retire at the end of 2009 after being restricted to just six matches this year through injury.
However, the former Devonport star announced last month he would play on into an 18th season after receiving the strong support of new coach Damien Hardwick.
Richardson will not be the only drawcard at Launceston, with fellow Tasmanian and rising forward Jack Riewoldt set to play his first AFL match in his home state.
Reformed bad boy Ben Cousins also may make his first appearance at Aurora since 2005, when he was captain of an unbeaten West Coast outfit that defeated the Hawks.
Aurora Stadium precinct manager Robert Groenewegen had no complaints yesterday, especially given the following the Tigers appear to have in Tasmania.
When Hawthorn hosted Richmond in 2006, 20,971 fans rolled through the gates -- a venue record that still stands.
"The only thing I can advise people to do is book accommodation early if you are looking to stay, Festivale is that week as well so it's going to be a busy few days," Groenewegen said.
"Saturday night is a terrific result and getting the game live on Network Ten will give us terrific exposure.
"The beauty of the Tigers is they have new coach Damien Hardwick, who has very strong Hawthorn connections, and hopefully Jack [Riewoldt] will be playing as well.
"Obviously you have Ben Cousins there as well and if Richo is running around there are lots of terrific things.
"Certainly they have a huge following down here and they weren't travelling too well last time either [when the attendance record at the venue was set].
"It is still a pre-season game though and you never quite get the same numbers for a roster game, but by the same token it is a terrific draw."
The Hawks will be keen to start 2010 well given they missed the finals as reigning premiers this season and prized new recruits Josh Gibson and Shaun Burgoyne could appear in the opening round of the NAB Cup as they look to settle at their new club.
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/10/28/106165_afl.html
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Yep another unsuccessful NAB Cup coming up, down in Tassie against a Hawk side re-loaded with EXPERIENCED players against a youthfull inexperienced side who up to this point have the same experience or lack there of from years gone by. :whistle
Sorry but I just thought we could have picked up one or two experienced players to help us out over the next 2 years during the first phase of our re-building nightmare.
It's NAB cup, remember this year, they dragged it out for that long that we were all sick of it in the end.
It was also the season proper when that began and it dragged out for so long we were all sick of that in the end too.. :thumbsup
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Remember that Melbourne had Hawthorn beat by 17 points with 3 minutes left on the clock in the NAB cup this year, only to choke and lose. Anything can happen.
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I may be in Melbourne 13/2. I'm trying to work out if i can slip accross to tassie for this game. There is a flight that gets to launceston 40 mins before first bounce. Can any one provide info on getting from the airport to the ground - time to allow, best way etc. please
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airport to aurora stadium be about 10-15km so about 10 minutes in a taxi.
they'll be buses that go into the city from the airport i imagen but a taxi would do unless you was tight on money lol.
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Cheers tiger101 :cheers
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I think we may perform better in this game than some may expect. We certainly won't be fazed by the Hawks zone given our current training (check MT's recent report) and our recent history against them. I think they will beat us one on one with size and experience but given a chance to run and play direct footy we will perform better then what many have predicted.
Of course it all depends on who lines up for each team but I would expect that we will rest very few while the Hawks would probably give some of their stars a break.
A pre-season win every couple of seasons would be nice
Stripes
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71 sleeps to go!
:)
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Once again if you lose in the NAB Cup you can be sent anywhere in the country to play practice matches...
NAB Challenge to take footy to the bush
afl.com.au
By Luke Holmesby | Wed 16 December, 2009
FOOTBALL fans in rural and regional Australia will have the chance to watch AFL stars in action as part of next year's NAB Challenge.
The competition, which consists of teams that have been bundled out of the NAB Cup, will see games held all over the country.
The AFL is finalising the NAB Challenge fixture, with games scheduled in Alice Springs (NT), Blacktown (NSW), Joondalup (WA), Morwell (Vic), Mt Gambier (SA), Narrandera (NSW), North Ballarat (Vic), Southport (Qld) and Yea (Victoria), as well as Elizabeth in outer suburban Adelaide and Casey Fields in outer suburban Melbourne as the competition progresses.
"The AFL has already determined which clubs will be programmed into which NAB Challenge venues in week one after they are eliminated from the NAB Cup, so that all teams can prepare their likely training and travel schedule in advance," McLachlan said.
WEEK 1 - February 25-26, 2010
The indicative NAB Challenge fixture is as follows:
Friday - matches to be played in Alice Springs.
Saturday - match to be played in Yea.
WEEK 2 - March 5-6, 2010
Friday - matches to be played in Southport and Visy Park.
Saturday - match to be played in Elizabeth, Joondalup, North Ballarat.
Dates to be confirmed - match at one other venue location.
WEEK 3 - March 12-13, 2010
Friday - match to be played at Southport.
Dates to be confirmed - matches to be played at Mt Gambier, Subiaco, Morwell, Visy Park, Narrandera and Casey Fields.
Full article at:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/88235/default.aspx
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2010 NAB CUP ON-SALE DATES
The on-sale date for Richmond's NAB Cup game at Aurora Stadium against Hawthorn on Saturday February 13 has been confirmed as 9am Wednesday, December 30.
Tickets will be available from Ticketmaster outlets, on line at www.ticketmaster.com.au (http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/) or by calling 1300 136 122.
For a full list of prices, click here (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/membership%20news/tabid/7645/default.aspx).
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NAB Cup tickets for the game down at Aurora are now on sale online
http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/Hawthorn-tickets/artist/1055648
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am sure they will sell quick
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NAB Cup tickets for the game down at Aurora are now on sale online
http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/Hawthorn-tickets/artist/1055648
Hmmmm
I purchased tickets the day they went on sale (Dec 30th) and I am still unable to print them out.
I spoke to the twits at ticketmaster last Tuesday they can't tell why there's been a delay but told me I should have access to them within the next 2-3 days. Another week has passed and still cannot print out the tickets :banghead :banghead But they sure as hell haven't delayed charging my credit card :banghead
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Very cross tonight WP... :o
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Very cross tonight WP... :o
No I was frustrated ...yesterday was a very difficult day dealing with terminal fools ;D
When I am angry people will know ;)
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Very cross tonight WP... :o
No I was frustrated ...yesterday was a very difficult day dealing with terminal fools ;D
When I am angry people will know ;)
What's a terminal fool?
A very sick idiot?
:lol
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What's a terminal fool?
I have a couple of suggestions as examples but I would probably end up being kicked off the forum if I named them! ;D
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Very cross tonight WP... :o
No I was frustrated ...yesterday was a very difficult day dealing with terminal fools ;D
When I am angry people will know ;)
What's a terminal fool?
A very sick idiot?
:lol
it's a special place at tullamarine built especially for magpie supporters to board and disembark when flying interstate :cheers
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Very cross tonight WP... :o
No I was frustrated ...yesterday was a very difficult day dealing with terminal fools ;D
When I am angry people will know ;)
What's a terminal fool?
A very sick idiot?
:lol
it's a special place at tullamarine built especially for magpie supporters to board and disembark when flying interstate :cheers
:lol (and another cheap post ups my count)
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Tickets for Hawks going fast
By Phil Edwards
21 Jan, 2010
TICKETS are selling fast for Hawthorn's first game of the 2010 AFL season in Tasmania next month.
More than 2400 reserved seats have been sold for the NAB Cup pre-season competition clash between Hawthorn and Richmond at Aurora Stadium on Saturday, February 13.
A further 3200 tickets have been issued to support programs, cheersquads and sponsors.
Reserved seats and general admission tickets for the clash in Launceston have been on sale since Wednesday, December 30, because of the high demand for the game in Launceston.
Supporters are urged to buy their tickets early for what will be the first visit by the Tigers to Aurora Stadium since their ground record crowd game against Hawthorn in 2006 when 20,971 people were in attendance.
Reserved seats and general admission tickets for the NAB Cup clash in Launceston are on sale through Ticketmaster on 1300 136 122 or online at ticketmaster.com.au
http://www.examiner.com.au/news/local/sport/general/tickets-for-hawks-going-fast/1730427.aspx
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Lol, urged so ticketmaster can cash in with their booking fee. ::) ::)
IF you want a reserved seat, you probably should book if you want a decent one, as usual.
IF you are just getting a GA admission to stand or sit in the limited GA "first-in-best-dressed" seating, don't listen to this crap, buy it at the gate. They have never shut the gates at Aurora stadium, and they aren't going to have the first during the NAB cup.
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Well after a month no non action by Ticketmaster I finally have my tickets (reserved seats)
Can you believe that you have to pay an extra $10 a ticket for reserved seat in the Gunn Stand at Launceston ($31 instead of the standard $21)? Might add that Aurora Stadium is the only venue that does that for the NAB cup. >:(
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Well after a month no non action by Ticketmaster I finally have my tickets (reserved seats)
Can you believe that you have to pay an extra $10 a ticket for reserved seat in the Gunn Stand at Launceston ($31 instead of the standard $21)? Might add that Aurora Stadium is the only venue that does that for the NAB cup. >:(
That's because public access seating is a premium at Aurora and always sells out. The old supply vs demand scenario.
I don't like sitting at Aurora though. I'll be standing on the outer over the rails near the interchange bench. My favourite place to be. Will be especially so this time to see how the players are looking after another pre-season.
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NAB Cup Odds ..... from the Herald-Sun
Geelong $4.50
St Kilda $5.50
Adelaide $8
Bulldogs $9
Brisbane $11
Hawthorn $11
Coll'wood $13
Carlton $15
Sydney $17
WCE $17
Fremantle $26
Port $26
Richmond $26
Essendon $31
North $31
Melbourne $51
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We'll be playing in Yea against Geelong or North if we lose to Hawthorn in Tassie......
http://www.afl.com.au/nab%20challenge%20ticketing/tabid/15700/default.aspx
NAB Challenge Ticketing
Information about the 2010 NAB Challenge matches will become available once the first round of the NAB Cup has been played. The following locations will be hosting a match; however teams are yet to be determined. Ticketing arrangements for these matches are listed below.
Yea Recreation Reserve
Teams: Hawthorn/Richmond vs Geelong Cats/North Melbourne
Date: Saturday February 27, 2010
Time: 4.00pm
Address: Snodgrass Street, Yea
Ticketing Information
This match is being held to support Yea and the surrounding communities. All proceeds raised from ticket sales will be spent on match costs and new infrastructure that is required to bring the Recreation Reserve to a suitable level to hold an AFL match. Any profit will be utilised for local development. All AFL and competing club members who wish to attend this game will be required to purchase a ticket for admission.
Please note the capacity of the Recreation Reserve is limited and to guarantee access those wishing to attend should purchase tickets in advance – should tickets be sold out in advance there will be no ticket sales at the gate on match day.
Prices
Adult - $15
Concession/Junior - $5 (anyone who holds a valid concession card or is 17 years old or under)
Family - $30 (consists of two adults and up to four juniors 17 years old or under)
Where to Purchase Tickets
Tickets go on sale from 9am on Monday February 1, 2010 from the following locations:
Pollards Pharmacy - High Street, YEA
SportsPower & Toys - 76 Grant Street, ALEXANDRA
Neil Beer Holden - 49 Emily Street, SEYMOUR
AFL Membership - Etihad Stadium, Level B2, Gate 8, DOCKLANDS
Please note: cash only sales at all locations
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Going by yesterday's intra-club our 24-man squad for the NAB Cup could be something like
B: Moore Rance Edwards
HB: Tambling Post Newman
C: Thomson Martin Cousins
HF: Taylor Riewoldt Polo
F: Nahas Polak Morton
R: Graham Deledio Cotchin
Int: Vickery, White, Hislop, King, Connors, Astbury
I guess any changes will depend on the fitness of Jacko, Thursty, Simmo and McGuane. Foley possibly to come into the side at a later date if we are still in the comp.
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With the look of that side MT do you think we are too small down back with Tambling, Edwards and Newman, just asking?
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B: Moore Rance Edwards
HB: Tambling Post Newman
C: Thomson Martin Cousins
HF: Taylor Riewoldt Polo
F: Nahas Polak Morton
R: Graham Deledio Cotchin
Int: Vickery, White, Hislop, King, Connors, Astbury
Missing: Thursfield, Simmonds, McMahon, Farmer, McGuane, Tuck, Gilligan, Jackson, Collins, Gourdis, Browne, Griffiths, Foley, O'Reilly, Dea, Hicks, Webberley, Nason, Grimes, Contin, Roberts, Westhoff
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question?
aren't we playing Adelaide in Darwin this year?
once at the MCG and AAMI?
:)
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question?
aren't we playing Adelaide in Darwin this year?
once at the MCG and AAMI?
:)
Not sure what this has to do with the NAB cup and I am sure the Darwin things has been covered way back when the draw was first released ???
But to answer your questions
NO - Richmond are not a home game in Darwin in 2010. They will play a home game in 2011
And YES - Richmond play Adel twice. At AAMI round 7 (9/5) and Round 18 at the MCG ( 1/8/)
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With the look of that side MT do you think we are too small down back with Tambling, Edwards and Newman, just asking?
I wouldn't play Edwards in defence as I do believe he is too small for a backline role (I'd have him forward if he is in the side) but that's how we lined up on Friday. Newy and Blingers are fine for their roles as they can hit targets on a regular basis. Then we're left with Rance, Post and Moore for the talls given there's no McGaune or Thursty available. A baptism of fire for Postie and Rance up against Buddy and Roughead :-\. I'm guessing with 6 or is it 8? on the bench we'll have another tall defender listed as interchange. Astbury although we are going to use him as mainly a forward can play both ends and of course in desperation Polly or the rucks may have to float back in the hole in front of the Hawthorn forwards. Midfield defensive pressure is going to be a major key for us to help out our young key defenders.
As I said in the other thread it's hard to see us winning with such an inexperienced side. I'm just hoping we surprise with a competitive display that offers some hope for the future.
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Really if Rance and Moore can contain Franklin (Moore has done that before) and Roughhead and we can get the ball moving quickly out of our backline we should be in with more than a chance. Rioli is out for the Hawks however we will have Cousins out but the sides seem pretty evenly matched through the centre.
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Really if Rance and Moore can contain Franklin (Moore has done that before) and Roughhead and we can get the ball moving quickly out of our backline we should be in with more than a chance. Rioli is out for the Hawks however we will have Cousins out but the sides seem pretty evenly matched through the centre.
True Kel has done reasonably well against Franklin in the past compared to other full-backs but Buddy still has half-a-dozen or more of shots at goal. Wallace would have numbers back in defence and allow Buddy to lead out wide to one side of the ground and then have players off mark block Buddy from running out to his left when having a set shot so he'd miss most of them. If we are going to play more conventional footy under Hardwick then we won't have virtually everyone behind the ball as Plough had.
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I think that this Saturday should be renamed to "Dustin Martin Day"
Very very excited to watch him in action for the first time.
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Four new rules for NAB Cup
* Jon Ralph
* From: Herald Sun
* February 08, 2010 1:29PM
THE AFL will introduce four new experimental rules as part of an NAB Cup campaign which gets underway this weekend.
The biggest rule change sees boundary umpires allowed to rule on holding infringements at stoppages, with the league keen to crack down on holding off the ball.
Players will also have to decide whether to play on after a free kick, with the advantage rule now in the hands of players.
If the whistle is blown and a player decides to play on and kicks a point, they will not get a second kick at goal.
Other new rules include the policing of a no-go zone behind umpires during all stoppages across the ground, and a rule penalising players who drag the ball under an opponent then appeal for a holding-the-ball free kick.
The league has removed the trial rule which meant players were not awarded a mark for a kick backwards, and reverted to the home-and-away rule which requires a kick to travel 15 metres for a legal mark.
The NAB Cup will feature a game played in Yea to commemorate last year’s fatal bush fires, and a game played in western Sydney’s Blacktown.
The AFL said yesterday that game between Sydney and Carlton on February 20 is nearly sold out.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/four-new-rules-for-nab-cup/story-e6frf9jf-1225827861586
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The biggest rule change sees boundary umpires allowed to rule on holding infringements at stoppages, with the league keen to crack down on holding off the ball.
stuff me, as if three of those clowns aren't enough to pull out soft, irrelevant free kicks. :banghead :banghead :banghead
Players will also have to decide whether to play on after a free kick, with the advantage rule now in the hands of players.
Will be interesting and interesting to see how an umpire officiates that a player has decided to use the advantage. :-\
If the whistle is blown and a player decides to play on and kicks a point, they will not get a second kick at goal.
Best so far.
Other new rules include the policing of a no-go zone behind umpires during all stoppages across the ground, and a rule penalising players who drag the ball under an opponent then appeal for a holding-the-ball free kick.
Sounds like more things to confuse the interpretations and to protect the clowns. ::)
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Take this with a grain of salt.... but Brad Hardie said tonight on 6pr that Cyril Rioli was in doubt for Saturdays game.
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Take this with a grain of salt.... but Brad Hardie said tonight on 6pr that Cyril Rioli was in doubt for Saturdays game.
He is not in doubt, he is not playing.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/groin-and-hip-injuries-force-rioli-to-rest-20100207-nku8.html
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Anyone know ( of course you do bc yr footy nuts lol ) when and where our nab cup game is?
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This Saturday night at 7.30 in Tas against the Dawks. Will be televised on channel 10.
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Awesome. Im away at the mo and wasnt sure when and thought it might have been on foxtel.
Thanx :thumbsup
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Live on Digital Ten in Brissie, replay on normal Ten at a sleeping hour.
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Here's the various capital cities telecast times.......
Melbourne - Live on TEN and ONE at 7.30pm
Adelaide - Live on TEN and ONE at 7pm
Perth - Live on ONE at 4.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 6.30pm
Sydney - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Brisbane - Live on ONE at 6.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Hobart - Live on SOUTHERN CROSS at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 10.45pm
Darwin - Live on SOUTHERN CROSS at 6pm and Delayed on TEN at 10.45pm
Canberra - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on SOUTHERN CROSS at 10.45pm
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Hawks not playing on Saturday night
Cyril Rioli
Shaun Burgoyne
Chance Bateman
Michael Osborne
Rhan Hooper
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/eagles-star-nears-full-recovery/story-e6frg7mf-1225828953988
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Awesome. Im away at the mo and wasnt sure when and thought it might have been on foxtel.
Thanx :thumbsup
FNM, it's a very late delayed telecast on Foxtel. Around 11.30pm I think.
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Here's the various capital cities telecast times.......
Sydney - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Ahhh music to my ears!! :cheers
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HAWTHORN v RICHMOND
Richmond
2. Will Thursfield,
3. Brett Deledio,
6. Graham Polak,
8. Jack Riewoldt,
9. Trent Cotchin,
10. Shane Edwards,
14. Dean Polo,
15. Mitch Farmer,
17. Chris Newman,
18. Alex Rance,
19. Daniel Connors,
20. Mitch Morton,
21. Shane Tuck,
24. Andrew Collins,
25. Angus Graham,
26. Robin Nahas,
27. Tom Hislop,
29. Tyrone Vickery,
30. Richard Tambling,
31. Adam Thomson,
33. David Gourdis,
35. Matthew White,
36. Dustin Martin,
37. Jayden Post,
39. David Astbury,
40. Kel Moore,
46. Jeromey Webberley,
47. Ben Nason,
50. Relton Roberts
Hawthorn
2. Jarryd Roughead, 3. Jordan Lewis, 4. Rick Ladson, 5. Sam Mitchell, 6. Josh Gibson, 8. Xavier Ellis, 12. Brad Sewell, 13. Simon Taylor, 14. Grant Birchall, 15. Luke Hodge, 16. Beau Dowler, 17. Beau Muston, 18. Brent Guerra, 19. Jarryd Morton, 21. Shane Savage, 23. Lance Franklin, 25. Ryan Schoenmakers, 26. Liam Shiels, 27. Stephen Gilham, 28. Garry Moss, 29. Tom Murphy, 30. Campbell Brown, 31. Matthew Suckling, 36. Jordan Lisle, 39. Ben Statton, 42. Wayde Skipper, 43. Will Sierakowski, 45. Jarrod Kayler-Thomson, 47. Luke Bruest
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89371/default.aspx
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very young lineup, i guess it will kinda look like this
Back: W.Thursfield K.Moore M.Farmer
H/Back: S.Edwards A.Rance C.Newman
Mid: T.Cotchin B.Deledio R.Tambling
H/Fwd: R.Nahas J.Riewoldt D.Polo
Fwd: D.Gourdis G.Polak M.Morton
R: T.Vickery D.Martin S.Tuck
Int: A.Graham, D.Conners, A.Collins, T.Hislop, B.Nason, R.Roberts,
J.Webberley, M.White, A.Thompson, D.Astbury, J.Post.
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that's gotta be worth a 63/4 point rodgering !
lol
Batten down the hatches,loveys.
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Back: S.Edwards K.Moore J.Post
H/Back: R.Tambling A.Rance C.Newman
Mid: T.Cotchin A.Thompson A.Collins
H/Fwd: R.Nahas J.Riewoldt D.Polo
Fwd: D.Astbury G.Polak M.Morton
R: T.Vickery D.Deledio D.Martin
Int: A.Graham, D.Connors, T.Hislop, B.Nason, R.Roberts,
J.Webberley, M.White, D.Gourdis, M.Farmer. S.Tuck
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No Troy Taylor?
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I really like how young that side is. But next to that Hawthorn line up, i have a feeling its going to be a messy night.
Soooo very happy we get to see a number of recruits so early, will be awesome experiance for them!
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Wonder if Vlad or Ando had a say in TT not representing the club whilst facing a police charge?
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Actually it's a pretty good ploy by the club IMO. He (Taylor) is due in court next week and the last thing he needs is for stupid commentators making accusations while he is out there on the ground. If he played a good or bad game either way he would have his name up in lights leading into the trial/hearing. He doesn't need that pressure on him at the moment and well done to the club for holding him back.
Hawks are going in with a pretty strong side for mine, they are only without about 4-6 players aren't they and that includes old mate from Port that we can't count from last years side. Carn Tiges put up a fight!!
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Perhaps this has something to do with it,
Bombers suspend Hurley.
Essendon has suspended young defender Michael Hurley until the start of the AFL regular season over his assault charges.
The 19-year-old key position player faces five charges after a September 25 late-night altercation with a taxi driver in Richmond.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/11/2816963.htm?site=sport§ion=all
Disagree WAT, I would have thought that by playing may have made a better case for him when he fronts court.
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very young lineup, i guess it will kinda look like this
Back: W.Thursfield K.Moore M.Farmer
H/Back: S.Edwards A.Rance C.Newman
Mid: T.Cotchin B.Deledio R.Tambling
H/Fwd: R.Nahas J.Riewoldt D.Polo
Fwd: D.Gourdis G.Polak M.Morton
R: T.Vickery D.Martin S.Tuck
Int: A.Graham, D.Conners, A.Collins, T.Hislop, B.Nason, R.Roberts,
J.Webberley, M.White, A.Thompson, D.Astbury, J.Post.
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Back: S.Edwards K.Moore J.Post
H/Back: R.Tambling A.Rance C.Newman
Mid: T.Cotchin A.Thompson A.Collins
H/Fwd: R.Nahas J.Riewoldt D.Polo
Fwd: D.Astbury G.Polak M.Morton
R: T.Vickery D.Deledio D.Martin
Int: A.Graham, D.Connors, T.Hislop, B.Nason, R.Roberts,
J.Webberley, M.White, D.Gourdis, M.Farmer. S.Tuck
I pretty much agree with your line up Stripes
For memeory we have 4 6 interchange and 2 Subs
So for the interchange my 4 6 would be:
Graham, Hislop, White, Connors, Webberley, Tuck
Subs: Roberts, Farmer
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Actually it's a pretty good ploy by the club IMO. He (Taylor) is due in court next week and the last thing he needs is for stupid commentators making accusations while he is out there on the ground. If he played a good or bad game either way he would have his name up in lights leading into the trial/hearing. He doesn't need that pressure on him at the moment and well done to the club for holding him back.
Hawks are going in with a pretty strong side for mine, they are only without about 4-6 players aren't they and that includes old mate from Port that we can't count from last years side. Carn Tiges put up a fight!!
Sorry! I disagree also! TT not playing kind of implies guilt! Also the commentators are bound by contempt of court laws and therefore are banned from publicly commenting on the case as it could be deemed to be pre-judicial. Why not play him when he under this kind of protection and the kid could do with a welcome distraction from the case! Id be more concerned about what the opposition players say to him!
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Looking forward to seeing how Andy Collins has bounced back from injury
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hmm for me
B/ Farmer - Thursfield - Moore.
HB/ Newman - Post - Tambling.
C/ Collins - Thomson - Martin.
HF/ Morton - Riewoldt - Astbury.
F/ Roberts - Polak - Nahas.
R/ Graham - Deledio - Cotchin.
INT/ Vickery - Edwards - Webberley - Connors.
Subs/ Rance - Tuck.
imo he will play as many players as possible where they will play thru the season.
imo Farmer will play bp other wise why did we trade for a 21 yr old specialist bp player.. Tambling hbf thats where he says he will play this yr., Post if he goes back will play chb. thomson will play either in the middle or on ball.
martin thru the midfield or on ball..
Astbury as a hit up third tall a bit like he has done as a junior.
morton will play on a stuff with some midfield rotation. hes said already morton will play up the ground a bit more.
i reckon they will want a good look at 23yr old roberts.
Cotchin ive insisted will play mainly as a forward but named him on ball.
Webberley another 21 yr old recruit they will want to see what he has to offer he will rotate with the 3 named small defenders.
Graham is obviously going to play first ruck so vickery will come of the bench and play against the second string ruckman.
finally Rance will swap with post and tuck with Thomson as subs.
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Well here we are continually going on how we need to protect, nurture and look after our young new recruits and now we want to send them into their first game with a court case hanging over their heads. I don't really think his head would be in the game knowing that 3-4 days later he is off to court, but anyway.
BTW way by him not playing does that impy guilt?? Not sure if him playing will make a difference in the courts either, he is either guilty or not guilty. I was mearly commenting on how him playing could really blow this story up in the media, particularly if he had a blinder.
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Are we foxing already by naming Thursty?? I mean they could have just named Taylor and not played him seeing he has has more time on the track than thursty. I know we won't select the whole list but I would have thought we would name players that are available in the first instance.
BTW do 4 players on that list miss out? 18 on the field and 6 on the bench or 8 on the bench?
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AS much as i am an advocate of guilty until charged WAT, most of the time police lay charges they do so with a pretty good case.
If he pleads guilty, or is found guilty, they will looking to keep him out of gaol, of which his future at RFC will play a large part in convincing the judge that locking him up is not the best thing to do.
Now, wouldn't playing in the NAB cup a few days before hand only help to convince the judge that this is indeed the case?
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DEEEEERRRRR, I meant Innocent untill charged :wallywink :banghead :whistle
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AS much as i am an advocate of guilty until charged WAT, most of the time police lay charges they do so with a pretty good case.
If he pleads guilty, or is found guilty, they will looking to keep him out of gaol, of which his future at RFC will play a large part in convincing the judge that locking him up is not the best thing to do.
Now, wouldn't playing in the NAB cup a few days before hand only help to convince the judge that this is indeed the case?
Yeah see your point al, then what else would be the reason for him being left out other than less media attention, death by media.
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Well if 5 have to come off that list tomorrow or Saturday before the game these are mine:
Thursfield
Nason
Roberts
Webberly
Gourdis or Farmer
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I think it might be an in house punishment from Dimma and the RFC for doing the wrong thing on New Year's Eve in the firstplace. Rather than go publically and say he won't play Tiges have kept it in house and left everyone scratching our heads thinking is it because of the court case is he injured or what. That way it keeps the media away without all the fanfare and sensationalist headlines and foucusing on Dustin Martin anyway who the vultures were going to pursue anyway. RFC just building a smokescreen for Troy and themselves I think and just want to focus on Saturday's match for all the right reasons.
By disciplining him in house and without the fanfare it represents to the court also that the RFC recognises that Troy has erred also and is willing to act in a paternal way that will both nurture and discipline Troy that may be just as effective as Troy playing on Saturday night. The court may see this favourably if the club has done this also and may seem more genuine and thus may empathise with Troy and the club. Just my take on it.
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Tucker, that could very well be the case. Makes sense.
All any of this is, is speculation with out knowing all the facts...... but it is the off season ;D
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Yeah it does make sense TB..... now who are the 5 going out of the side?
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Farmer was recruited as a specialist back pocket to look after opposition small forwards I think he will play.
As for who will miss out from those named I am none the wiser.
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stuff me I cant wait for this poo to start, to see all the youth running around for the Tiges. It starts for me tomorrow night, mums coming around to watch the Eagles lose to the Bombers (I hate the freaking Eagles and she goes for them). Then she is coming over Saturday night to watch the Tiges perform. Lots of wine, beer, scotch and the like being consumed.
C'MON.. :thumbsup
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.....most of the time police lay charges they do so with a pretty good case.
Not in the outback if you are a blackfella.
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Rghto, 6 on the bench and 2 subs, so I dont think Thursty, Roberts or Nason will play only because they didn't play last Friday.
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No Troy Taylor?
yeahhhh, No Double T?
???
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eff me I cant wait for this poo to start, to see all the youth running around for the Tiges. It starts for me tomorrow night, mums coming around to watch the Eagles lose to the Bombers (I hate the freaking Eagles and she goes for them). Then she is coming over Saturday night to watch the Tiges perform. Lots of wine, beer, scotch and the like being consumed.
C'MON.. :thumbsup
:lol
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The game odds
Hawthorn $1.30 into $1.28
Richmond $3.50
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/no-risk-policy/story-e6frf9if-1225829343349
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Taylor has simply just not been selected.....
Richmond draftee Troy Taylor will face court in Alice Springs on February 18 in relation to an alleged assault there on New Year's Eve.
The Tigers will not comment on Taylor until after his court appearance.
He is not currently under any club sanctions.
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/bombers-suspend-hurley-for-preseason-20100211-nui4.html
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.....most of the time police lay charges they do so with a pretty good case.
Not in the outback if you are a blackfella.
ppppfffftttt. utter bulldust and reverse racism. yep blame the cops blame anyone anything but lets not blame anyone who should be rsponsible for their own actions.
the black fella is no different to the white fella its just that a far larger percentage of black fellas play up.
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Hawks, Dogs mean business
Jon Ralph From: Herald Sun February 12, 2010 12:00AM Increase
VICTORIAN premiership contenders Hawthorn and the Western Bulldogs have signalled their intent with ominously strong sides for Round 1 of the NAB Cup.
The Bulldogs will unleash a host of young stars for their clash against Brendan Fevola's Brisbane Lions at Canberra's Manuka Oval.
Adam Cooney, Robert Murphy, Matthew Boyd, Ryan Griffen and Brian Lake lead an exciting outfit.
Lake is likely to take on long-time rival Fevola in Sunday's clash against a Brisbane side missing skipper Jonathan Brown, Luke Power and Simon Black.
The Bulldogs will rest veterans Brad Johnson, Jason Akermanis and Barry Hall.
Brisbane will play the first Japanese-born AFL player, Sean Yoshiura. Yoshiura is a 68kg cross-country star who moved to Australia at age seven and has been rookie-listed after impressing with Mt Gravatt.
Hawthorn has also indicated it is keen to push deep into the NAB Cup by playing stars Lance Franklin, Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Jarryd Roughead and Jordan Lewis.
New recruit Shaun Burgoyne is still some weeks away from football but ex-North Melbourne defender Josh Gibson will take on Richmond after overcoming a hamstring strain.
Former Bulldogs ruckman Wayde Skipper will also be given a chance to press his claims for future elevation from the rookie list after being named in the 29-man squad.
The squads will be trimmed to 26 - six interchange and two substitutes - before game time, with Essendon and West Coast kicking off the NAB Cup in Perth tonight.
A knee injury stalled Rick Ladson's career last year but he has been named.
"He has progressed very well over the summer and he is ready for some match play so should be fine to go," Hawthorn football manager Mark Evans said yesterday.
"I think it's a side that has some pretty good players and also some fresh names and new faces as well so it's a good mix."
Running defender Clinton Young (hip) is unlikely to see any pre-season action and is more likely to return in the first month of the season proper.
Richmond's No. 3 draft pick Dustin Martin has been named for the clash with the Hawks alongside No. 35 selection David Astbury, but No. 51 pick Troy Taylor has missed the cut.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/hawks-dogs-mean-business/story-e6frf9if-1225829352748
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I love how Josh Gibson is seen as a great hope for the Hawks. He simply is a average defender, certainly no superstar but all media are hyping his inclusion as some huge event !!
Didn't do much at North in my opinion.
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Here's the various capital cities telecast times.......
Melbourne - Live on TEN and ONE at 7.30pm
Adelaide - Live on TEN and ONE at 7pm
Perth - Live on ONE at 4.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 6.30pm
Sydney - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Brisbane - Live on ONE at 6.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Hobart - Live on SOUTHERN CROSS at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 10.45pm
Darwin - Live on SOUTHERN CROSS at 6pm and Delayed on TEN at 10.45pm
Canberra - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on SOUTHERN CROSS at 10.45pm
How great is this for the AFL. This will increase viewers across the country as, even if you are only vaguely interested, you can watch the game live regardless of where you live across the country on free to air TV. Should continue to increase overall ratings too!
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Sportal preview - tipping the Hawks by 29 points
http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/preview-hawthorn-v-richmond-85762
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Well I miss out on the game live, I live south of Perth and we don't have One HD here yet so I will get the delayed telecast at 6.30pm WST. Never mind it's still earlier than the normal time of 8.30pm when on free to air. I wish it was on Foxtel live, then I would be right!!
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I don't care if it's the NAB Cup, I don't care if it's Essendon vs West Coast, it's live footy and it's on now. Welcome back Mr Sherrin, I've missed you so! :cheers
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that's gotta be worth a 63/4 point rodgering !
lol
Batten down the hatches,loveys.
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Why are you bringing New Zealanders into this debate for? ;D
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I don't care if it's the NAB Cup, I don't care if it's Essendon vs West Coast, it's live footy and it's on now. Welcome back Mr Sherrin, I've missed you so! :cheers
The Bombers are on top at the moment with their runners on the wide spaces of Subi. I still think they won't make the Eight though with such a small forward line on tighter grounds and in real H/A season pressure. The Eagles have been ordinary and haven't been able to get their hands on the ball in the midfield.
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Oh and Richo has done a good job so far as boundary rider once he realised to look at the camera rather than at Watson lol.
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Oh and Richo has done a good job so far as boundary rider once he realised to look at the camera rather than at Watson lol.
:lol It's funny watching the new guys. Is it me or has there been a real generational change in the face of football (on and off field) this off-season?
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:lol It's funny watching the new guys. Is it me or has there been a real generational change in the face of football (on and off field) this off-season?
True there's been a heap of champions retiring over the past 2-3 years and a number of them have gone into the media or coaching. Good to see them staying heavily involved in footy.
On the game tonight Naitanui has had he's breakout game. 4 goals and a supergoal playing in the ruck where he is effectively another midfielder. Tonight he combined his freakishness with hardwork. The Eagles IMO will make the finals this year. They're still young but they're building a well structured footy team all over the ground. They've shown again how to make the most of the draft system when you have a solid core to build around :-\.
Bombers = bottom 4 side. Once their runners run out of puff in the first half they're too small and have no long tall targets to kick to. Losing Lloyd and Lucas and Gumby being injury-prone has left a big hole. They're really going to struggle this year. My heart bleeds :rollin
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:lol It's funny watching the new guys. Is it me or has there been a real generational change in the face of football (on and off field) this off-season?
True there's been a heap of champions retiring over the past 2-3 years and a number of them have gone into the media or coaching. Good to see them staying heavily involved in footy.
On the game tonight Naitanui has had he's breakout game. 4 goals and a supergoal playing in the ruck where he is effectively another midfielder. Tonight he combined his freakishness with hardwork. The Eagles IMO will make the finals this year. They're still young but they're building a well structured footy team all over the ground. They've shown again how to make the most of the draft system when you have a solid core to build around :-\.
Bombers = bottom 4 side. Once their runners run out of puff in the first half they're too small and have no long tall targets to kick to. Losing Lloyd and Lucas and Gumby being injury-prone has left a big hole. They're really going to struggle this year. My heart bleeds :rollin
Essendon are so over-rated! stop their running plan, and they will self-distruct! West Coast are likely to make the finals then the idiots!
:)
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My guess based on the intra-club.
B: Moore Rance Farmer
HB: Newman Post Tambling
C: Thomson Martin Collins
HF: Polo Riewoldt Hislop
F: Nahas Polak Morton
R: Graham Cotchin Deledio
Int: Vickery, Edwards, Connors, White, Astbury, Webberley
Subs: Gourdis (FB), Tuck (mid)
Gourdis was sub stuff last week and I'd reckon Hardwick would want to see a full game from the cubs rather than Tucky who can come on in the second half as the game slows down a touch and the cubs tire.
Left out: Thursfield, Nason and Roberts as they didn't play in the intra-club
If we put in a competitive performance against a strong Hawthorn line-up who are taking this game very seriously and play a good brand of footy then we should be reasonably happy.
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Carlton trading away Josh Kennedy to the Eagles will haunt them especially now Fev is gone and in a couple of years when Judd's career is sunsetting and Kennedy is in his prime.
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As mentioned in the other thread, Relton Roberts won't be in the 26-man squad tonight.
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:lol It's funny watching the new guys. Is it me or has there been a real generational change in the face of football (on and off field) this off-season?
True there's been a heap of champions retiring over the past 2-3 years and a number of them have gone into the media or coaching. Good to see them staying heavily involved in footy.
I thought Richo did very well in his first match last night. Came across as confident, spoke well and joined in with good comments - surprised me a bit because I always thought he looked a bit like a rabbit in the spotlight when he was on the Footy Show.
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The Eagles will be the real deal in a few years. Most on here laughed at them a few years back saying they are uesless woosha has no idea.
IMO he is the best coach and smartest coach in the AFL.
Just goes to show what happens when you bottom out and spend money on developing the kids.
some of their 18-20 are bigger than any of our players past and present will ever be.
Richo did well last night actually they all did well last night. I just hope we don't get that Underwood tonight in our game. She is terrible
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The Eagles will be the real deal in a few years. Most on here laughed at them a few years back saying they are uesless woosha has no idea.
IMO he is the best coach and smartest coach in the AFL.
Just goes to show what happens when you bottom out and spend money on developing the kids.
some of their 18-20 are bigger than any of our players past and present will ever be.
Richo did well last night actually they all did well last night. I just hope we don't get that Underwood tonight in our game. She is terrible
Funny you mention there size, my wife who knows little about football looked up at the TV and commented how big they were, and went on to say why havent the tiges got bigger bodied players, I replied we have, Jordy McMahon and Matty White, LOL
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.....most of the time police lay charges they do so with a pretty good case.
Not in the outback if you are a blackfella.
ppppfffftttt. utter bulldust and reverse racism. yep blame the cops blame anyone anything but lets not blame anyone who should be rsponsible for their own actions.
the black fella is no different to the white fella its just that a far larger percentage of black fellas play up.
With the risk of turning this into a race debate but "a far larger percentage of black fellas play up"? May have to research some some of those claims!
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Perhaps the wording may have not been right but the incarceration rate of indigenous people is higher (in the north of Australia anyway) than that of the rest of the population. There are many reasons for this but it is not 'cultural' in the traditional sense (environmental perhaps) and has nothing to do with the color of their skin.
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Richo said that nic nat is bench pressing 150kg now - 40 odd up from last i think. He laid some tackles that left the bloke with ball in no doubt he had been tackled.
I also though Harley did a good job. He made an interesting comment about the zone defence. Said that sometimes players fall into the trap of using it as a break, which allows the opposition to break through the zone and hurt you. Something to keep an eye on with our blokes trying to learn it this year.
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Perhaps the wording may have not been right but the incarceration rate of indigenous people is higher (in the north of Australia anyway) than that of the rest of the population. There are many reasons for this but it is not 'cultural' in the traditional sense (environmental perhaps) and has nothing to do with the color of their skin.
I think it also has a lot to do with a severe lack access to decent representation too! The three strikes policy does not help either with 3 innoccous offences attracting jail terms! I just believe that no one should be assumed guilty before the due process, hope this rings true for Troy!
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A news report said that we will be playing 6 debutants tonight.
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Josh Gibson is out for Hawthorn with hammy soreness
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/josh-gibson-to-miss-nab-cup-clash/story-e6frf9if-1225829960975
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what time is this idiot festival on TV ?
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what time is this idiot festival on TV ?
Melbourne - Live on TEN and ONE at 7.30pm
Adelaide - Live on TEN and ONE at 7pm
Perth - Live on ONE at 4.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 6.30pm
Sydney - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Brisbane - Live on ONE at 6.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 11.15pm
Hobart - Live on SOUTHERN CROSS at 7.30pm and Delayed on TEN at 10.45pm
Darwin - Live on SOUTHERN CROSS at 6pm and Delayed on TEN at 10.45pm
Canberra - Live on ONE at 7.30pm and Delayed on SOUTHERN CROSS at 10.45pm
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum//index.php?topic=10228.msg173248#msg173248
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:thumbsup
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For those OERites living overseas in North America and UK/Ireland you have to rely on Bigpond TV on the AFL site to see the game.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/89489/default.aspx
The 2010 NAB Cup kicks off this weekend, and overseas fans desperate for a long-awaited footy fix can now follow all the pre-season action live
Viewers in the United States of America, Canada, United Kingdom and Ireland can see each of this weekend’s four first-round NAB Cup matches by tuning in to BigPond TV. The games will stream from the 'Live' tab in the AFL section at the following times:
Hawthorn v Richmond
Saturday 13 February from 08:40 GMT
http://bigpondvideo.com/afl
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or you could try justin dot tv.
Last year there was a lot of games being streamed. Towards the end of the year the AFL found out and wanted to stop it. Dont know if they achieved that, or even why they would want to.
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Ok then, off to the beach in a while with the boy child and the dogs for a couple of hours and then back for the delayed telecast at 6.30pm.
Go Tiges, just show us a we have put last year behind us and we are moving forward... :thumbsup
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or you could try justin dot tv.
Last year there was a lot of games being streamed. Towards the end of the year the AFL found out and wanted to stop it. Dont know if they achieved that, or even why they would want to.
Premier League can't do it, very surprised if the AFL have the resources to do it.
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Well with Gibo out it should help our forwards a bit although many don't rate him, I do a bit though.
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These aren't official streams Jake. People can stream whatever they want (whithin reason I assume) and many will stream sporting events. There was quite a few streams of AFL last year but the last cricket series against India you had to follow a link to another site to watch the cricket. why that was I dont know.
You can watch anything from dogs sleeping to WWF
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These aren't official streams Jake. People can stream whatever they want (whithin reason I assume) and many will stream sporting events. There was quite a few streams of AFL last year but the last cricket series against India you had to follow a link to another site to watch the cricket. why that was I dont know.
You can watch anything from dogs sleeping to WWF
Know all about it al :thumbsup (too poor for Foxtel at the moment)
A more reliable stream and harder to shut down is www.myp2p.eu - I think the p2p nature of it makes it hard to stop.
What I was saying is that the Premier League don't have the resources to stop users streaming games, so I doubt the AFL have the resources to stop it.
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Josh Gibson is out for Hawthorn with hammy soreness
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/josh-gibson-to-miss-nab-cup-clash/story-e6frf9if-1225829960975
Heart soreness you mean, he is a DUD
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LOL at the AFL Live site having Nahas named in the ruck :lol
http://xml.afl.com.au/swf/live_stats.htm?gameID=10270103
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A news report said that we will be playing 6 debutants tonight.
Good to hear although by the look of it not all are strictly debutants but moreso Richmond senior debutants. So you would think the six would be Martin, Astbury, Webberley, Gourdis, Thomson and Farmer. That would mean Roberts as we already know and Nason aren't playing.
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Port is giving the Crows a 10+ goal flogging so anything can happen in the NAB Cup if the more favoured team isn't on song. Sadly I think the Hawks will be in our game :-\.
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Port giving the Crows are flogging so anything can happen in the NAB Cup if the more favoured team isn't on song. Sadly I think the Hawks will be in our game :-\.
Port flying and Schulz still a dud ::)
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He's doing alright in DT terms, Jack. ;D
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Nason listed to play on the AFL live site in the final 26. Webberley, Thursty and Roberts the three to miss.
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Rance on Buddy.
Whte pinged for holding the ball when he didn't have a chance ::). Last night they didn't pay that once.
Buddy with first goal. Thank you umpire :banghead
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Martin looks okay early. :thumbsup
Adam Thompson drops a sitter. :banghead
Rance looks too small on Buddy. Could be a massacre there.
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So that was advatnage to us ump ::). It'll be hard enough tonight without the umps doing Hawthorn a favour :scream
Martin is lo0oking good early isnb;t he Tucky. Getting at the bottom of packs.
Yep Rance is way too small for Franklin :help. Gourdis now on Buddy.
R 0
H 12
We haven't been forward yet :-\
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Astbury first kick first goal :gotigers
R 6
H 12
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Classy goal off the pack by Astbury. :rollin
We have the effort but as always skill and decision making letting us down. Still early days. Geez Matthew White is struggling.
Martin is a class act getting out of traffic. Will be a star :bow
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Connors with a skill error Franklin now has 3 and the way he is going he'll kick 10.
Effort is there but skills skills skills and poor decision making.
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I know its early days MT I just hope once the game settles the guys being young don't drop their heads. As all young sides we'll look great and shocking in the same game and play. We just need to get consistency as the year goes on.
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were did they get these umpires from?
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Rance not up to it, either is Connors
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Rance clearly can't kick and that aint good enough. Too many errors by foot.
Skills Skills Skills.
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Rance clearly can't kick and that aint good enough. Too many errors by foot.
Skills Skills Skills.
Said this last year about Rance.
the team intensity last for the first 10 mins and disppeared :banghead
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10 minute wonders
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Captain could stand up ya think instead of his skill errors
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Rance isnt up to AFL .
Either is Connors.
Better off leaving Gourdis down back for the entire game and see what he can do
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After the first 5-10 minutes intensity and heads dropped and we went back to old habits. Stopped tackling (frankly embarrassing attempts :help) and running off your man waiting to receive instead of blocking and shepherding to clear a path.
Rance might as not be out there. Gourdis at least has some size but he can't kick either.
Sadly no real surprise what we are seeing. Anyone who thought we won't finish bottom 2 won't anymore. Not good for membership though getting uncompetitively flogged first up.
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I think the skills are letting us down.
The skill errors gifted the Hawks a few goals quickly and the heads dropped.
We laid 17 tackles in the first half of the quarter and none in the last 10 or so minutes.
Hawks have 7 goals from 11 inside 50's.
The skills are going to kill us. I now know how Melbourne felt when they got flogged by Hawthorn by 104 points in rd 1 2008 because that's where we are right now.
Skill errors done by players who have already been in the system for a few years is the scary thing.
Martin has been great. Gourdis done some nice things too.
Umpires have been mind boggling.
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Rance confidence would be better if Moore did his job properly
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Nason looks alright
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Rance confidence would be better if Moore did his job properly
May help TM but Rance can't kick and when he does it causes a turnover most times.
Skills Skills Skills.
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It's not going to change the result but this umpiring is disgraceful. Martin lays a fingernail on Hodge and its classed as holding ::).
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Nason looks alright
Kids have been okay. Martin Nason and Astbury have done some nice things.
Its the Thompsons Whites Edwards of our side that are the ones that won't make it.
When making skill errors under no pressure is the awful thing.
Hawks up 55-7.
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dont care how good ya midfield is, if you dont build a team around good forwards it destroys team confidence & you get slaughtered every week. Cant play in a forward position if your not in front leading. Rewoldt is a dud & Polak is 10kph too slow
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Jack finally gets us a goal.
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delivery that time was shocking to Rewoldt who again was behind the defender got a lucky goal
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l'm really starting to Hate Newman who l think is one of our major problems.
A new draft poccesses better skills & mentallity
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Just watched Rance kick the ball backwards 25 metres and miss the target by 10 metres. :banghead
How do these players get so far into the AFL system has me beat
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buddy copped a great corky then
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Just watched Rance kick the ball backwards 25 metres and miss the target by 10 metres. :banghead
How do these players get so far into the AFL system has me beat
mate they came to the club with good skills but got damaged by Wallace & his offsiders
Rewoldts having a sook
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twice l seen Edwards chicken out & sidestep a contest
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After watching Shane Edwards, I prefer Jordy McMahon
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These umps are ridiculous. Astbury looking good.
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The protected area rule is the most stupid rule l ever heard & seen & is wrecking the game reguardless of the scoreboard
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Ok the skills etc are wearing usdown but this umpiring, especially this "protected zone" is killing us. I dont think RFC are even allowed to touch a Hawthorn player......... :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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After watching Shane Edwards, I prefer Jordy McMahon
lol how is McMahon ;) l dont seen him on the ground, is he in the team or not upto NAB standard ;D
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After watching Shane Edwards, I prefer Jordy McMahon
I prefer neither.
Gee I hope Nason is okay. :banghead
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Nason hurt his knee. HOPE its only minor, he was one of a few that were showing something
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Have to agree on some of our players its a shame but Rance, Edwards, Conners and afew others shouldnt be around past the next 12 months IMHO.
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Nason looks like he's done his knee. Our night going from bad to worst :help
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thats a shocking injury we dont need
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Sadly Polak is another who seems more than a yard slower than what is required.
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I like hislop but he cant kick. No way is he a fwd. Put him i the middle and let him do some damage at leat if he has to be out there.
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Tell me something
Tambling goes to tackle just before the siren & Moore is seen running close past the contest
if l was coach he would sit on the bench Moore for not helping that contest & applying preasure to force a spill or stopage
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Zero accountability by the midfielders
Forwards not working hard enough to get to the fall of the ball.
Defenders aren't helping each other adequately
All over poor skills by hand and foot
All over not working very hard when they haven't got the pill.
We are actually in much worse shape than when Wallace took over. I feel sorry for Hardwick, but he has put his hand up and sais he could fix this.
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Sadly Polak is another who seems more than a yard slower than what is required.
Said he should have been axed his slower than the tram that hit him thats why it got him the 1st time lol ;D
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Nason hurt his knee. HOPE its only minor, he was one of a few that were showing something
Looked very bad, I'd be very VERY surprised if his season wasn't over
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Sadly Polak is another who seems more than a yard slower than what is required.
Polak wasnt any good before the accident, how on earth is he going to be any better now
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Sadly Polak is another who seems more than a yard slower than what is required.
Polak wasnt any good before the accident, how on earth is he going to be any better now
:lol
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Agree with comments about Rance and Polak tonight, Rance can't kick, his decision making is questionable. Polak yeah is too slow, you can get away with that if you mark absolutely everything, which he has never done. Sadly I think both of them have taken blows to the head which affected their already limited ability.
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16 weeks of hard pre season for WHAT !.
Zip !.
Has Nahas had a kick, or Polak ?
Morton and Reidwoldt I reckon 1 kick each :banghead
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This is disgusting. :scream :scream :scream
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astbury and martin are putting every senior player to shame
feel for nason
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Got no forward line at all. Riewoldt is overated by all our supporters and Polak will never be the player we need to take us forward. Hardwick needs to pull the pin on afew and in terms of the forward line, the sooner he plants Griffiths at Full Forward and Astbury at CHF the better of we will be.
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Umpiring is Shocking
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The first and second year players look half decent as at least they can hit targets. Martin and Astbury have shown they'll be good players.
Our team skills are non-existent. That's the most concern. You can offload individuals with poor skills but tonight was about getting our game going and its been non-existent. So much for playing long basic old school direct footy. A collection of brainless individuals running around always 2-3 seconds late in reacting to what is going on and where they need to be. Hawthorn always have an "out" for a player in trouble where we don't.
Rance was subbed off midway through the 2nd quarter so that's what Hardwick thought of his game.
Polak is not the answer up forward. A great effort to get back after the accident but the AFL is unforgiving. He's always caught behind his opponent. I'd rather Postie up forward so at least we have a mobile tall target who stays in the game when the ball hits the ground if the mark isn't taken.
Hard to find a Tiger who has been reasonable apart from the cubs have shown promise. Boys against Men.
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Newman needs to be replaced as Captain by Cousins. Newman is no way an AFL standard captain.
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where's the tough attitude tonight?? at the moment Whorethorn are running rings around us, and we're not putting anywhere near enough pressure on them!
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astbury and martin are putting every senior player to shame
Too true mang
We need to be thinking in terms of how much of the list can you turn over in 3 years, it was 14 this year, lets say 12 per year for the next 3 years, that leaves 8 players on the list from this year in our 2013 line up.
I'm just gonna spend this season working out who those 8 are.
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the moment it all fell apart- conners turned over the footy and franklin kicked hawthorns 3rd goal. mind you we have been disgraceful. too many players who are not up to it Im afraid. you cant run around with the team we have tonight and expect success. thats the reality of it.
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astbury and martin are putting every senior player to shame
Too true mang
We need to be thinking in terms of how much of the list can you turn over in 3 years, it was 14 this year, lets say 12 per year for the next 3 years, that leaves 8 players on the list from this year in our 2013 line up.
I'm just gonna spend this season working out who those 8 are.
Martin
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Post
Griffiths
Astbury
Tambling
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astbury and martin are putting every senior player to shame
Too true mang
We need to be thinking in terms of how much of the list can you turn over in 3 years, it was 14 this year, lets say 12 per year for the next 3 years, that leaves 8 players on the list from this year in our 2013 line up.
I'm just gonna spend this season working out who those 8 are.
you dont keep cutting player cause you get nothing more than wooden spoons
you gell the players together & build thier confidence up & teach them how they can play the best football together
Players who play for each other & fight for each other win football games
Geelong were all kittens who got flogged once & banded together
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Rance sub off, that doesnt surprise me.
Will be good at Coburg in 2010
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Martin
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Post
Griffiths
Astbury
Tambling
That'd be it for the moment ramps, the variables being that Cotchin may never come to fruition and that you might be able to get a top 10 for Tambling from GC or GWS.
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This performance has just murdered our chance of getting close to last years memberships figure.
One can only hope we win the second half and take something away from tonights game.
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Hislop not up to it either. You can't have forwards missing gettable goals.
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Martin
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Post
Griffiths
Astbury
Tambling
That'd be it for the moment ramps, the variables being that Cotchin may never come to fruition and that you might be able to get a top 10 for Tambling from GC or GWS.
And you what the real tragedy of my list is that Cotchin Vickery and Post have played only a handful of games, Martin Astbury and Griffiths are new lol. I just wanna thank Terry Wallace and Spud Frawley for the expertise ;D
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oh no l seen one of these in football before thats very serious
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and so it gets even worse... Thomson coming off on the stretcher.
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This performance has just murdered our chance of getting close to last years memberships figure.
One can only hope we win the second half and take something away from tonights game.
Maybe we should all buy a 2nd membership ;D Thatll fix the problem :gotigers
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This performance has just murdered our chance of getting close to last years memberships figure.
One can only hope we win the second half and take something away from tonights game.
Maybe we should all buy a 2nd membership ;D Thatll fix the problem :gotigers
l'm not buying any memberships this season, l had enough giving my money away
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Game plan , too wide , too short.
What the hell have they been doing in pre season :banghead
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This performance has just murdered our chance of getting close to last years memberships figure.
One can only hope we win the second half and take something away from tonights game.
Maybe we should all buy a 2nd membership ;D Thatll fix the problem :gotigers
l'm not buying any memberships this season, l had enough giving my money away
We are not giving our money away. We are making a donation ;D
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Finish last and trade someone of the ilk of Foley or Newman for draft picks.
Delistings will include the majority of the following
Hislop Thompson Polak Edwards McMahon Simmonds Rance Tuck King
Cousins may retire also.
There will probably be another 10 or so list changes this year at a minimum.
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We are not giving our money away. We are making a donation ;D
sorry to say thier wasting your donations ;D sending me letters & sms & phone calls every week
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no marks inside F 50 either yet, :banghead
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Finish last and trade someone of the ilk of Foley or Newman for draft picks.
Delistings will include the majority of the following
Hislop Thompson Polak Edwards McMahon Simmonds Rance Tuck King
Cousins may retire also.
There will probably be another 10 or so list changes this year at a minimum.
We cant afford for Cousins to retire. We need him to play 2 more seasons. Hopefully at some stage he can impart a little bit of understanding in our players of what the term "Personal Pride" actually means!
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no marks inside F 50 either yet, :banghead
Did you really expect marks inside F50. From whom Jacko? Polak and Riewoldt lol? Neither one or the other is a capable Key forward. Griffiths and Astbury are the future.
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Seriously its only the Nab Cup which no-one takes serious
l'm only watching to see some star studed youngsters l dont care the score
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I hope he doesn't Ramps but reality is and we knew it this time last year he may be just one hamstring tear away from it whether he likes it or not. We are where Melbourne were in Round 1 2008 when Melbourne beat Hawthorn by 104 points. Rookie coach and a young uncompetitive list.
Connors is another in the gun and McGuane may also be used as trade bait with GC 17 also.
The job Hardwick is facing is huge.
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Seriously its only the Nab Cup which no-one takes serious
l'm only watching to see some star studed youngsters l dont care the score
I agree but its still Pathetic!
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Game plan , too wide , too short.
What the hell have they been doing in pre season :banghead
Real game speed and pressure is the difference. Running around for 6 months at training means stuff all if once the speed and pressure of the game goes up they can't simply play. That last turnover before Buddy's 5th goal summed it up. They have been training to kick long forward but in a real game situation there's no free/quality tall targets leading up and we have six handballs trying to run it through the zone and when the chain ends early we screw it up.
It's all you need to do against Richmond. Let us get the ball under pressure and force us wide and then counterattack on the turnover.
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I hope he doesn't Ramps but reality is and we knew it this time last year he may be just one hamstring tear away from it.
Connors is another in the gun and McGuane may also be used as trade bait with GC 17 also.
The job Hardwick is facing is huge.
Agree on the job at hand. But we dont have any spine at the moment. We are looking for kids like Astbury and Griffiths to give us a forward line. Thats the mess the old coaching staff left us in. Anyway Hardwick can atleast put in a proper structure
McGuane
Post
Martin
Astbury
Griffiths
And maybe he can try and develop a team around this group. Mind you McGuane will probably be at Gold Coast in 12 months.
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I have been impressed by many of our young fellows - Astbury looks a potential star, Martin our best player in his first game, Vickery and Gus good in the middle, Tambling good, Farmer showed signs, Post showed a bit and Gourdis was reasonable in defence as was Connors.
Rance was very ordinary, Polak a waste of space and Hislop can't kick. When it all comes down to it though, the reason we are getting so soundly beaten is because Hawthorn is stronger, better drilled and far more experienced. We are babies and it will take many more of these type of games before we learn the game plan and how to play with each other.
We are miles off :'(
Stripes
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Post aint a backman.
McGaune signed a 3 year contract this year
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Its our so called 2nd tier players that have let us down. These types that have been on an AFL list for 3-4 years on average and have shown nothing whilst we hope they have breakout seasons and take us to the next level.
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That peice of play where it got to Roughhead for the 9 point was pathetic
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I have been impressed by many of our young fellows - Astbury looks a potential star, Martin our best player in his first game, Vickery and Gus good in the middle, Tambling good, Farmer showed signs, Post showed a bit and Gourdis was reasonable in defence as was Connors.
Rance was very ordinary, Polak a waste of space and Hislop can't kick. When it all comes down to it though, the reason we are getting so soundly beaten is because Hawthorn is stronger, better drilled and far more experienced. We are babies and it will take many more of these type of games before we learn the game plan and how to play with each other.
We are miles off :'(
Stripes
Sorry, buy Gus hasnt had a possesion, has he :banghead HOPELESS
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Finish last and trade someone of the ilk of Foley or Newman for draft picks.
Delistings will include the majority of the following
Hislop Thompson Polak Edwards McMahon Simmonds Rance Tuck King
Cousins may retire also.
There will probably be another 10 or so list changes this year at a minimum.
I think Connors is out of contract also.
We need to be thinking in terms of pruning off that '2nd tier'* of average players over the next 2-3 years also, the ones that are so average that they cannot even propel us into the finals, let alone a premiership tilt. I feel we have to dig a bit deeper Tucker, what can we get from the new franchise?
*Polo Tuck Newman White Jackson Graham Thursfield Rance Riewoldt Nahas
Foley has to go to the GC. We've got too many smalls we can afford it.
This really needs to happen over the next 2 years, compromised draft or not.
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astbury and martin are putting every senior player to shame
Too true mang
We need to be thinking in terms of how much of the list can you turn over in 3 years, it was 14 this year, lets say 12 per year for the next 3 years, that leaves 8 players on the list from this year in our 2013 line up.
I'm just gonna spend this season working out who those 8 are.
Martin
Deledio
Cotchin
Vickery
Post
Griffiths
Astbury
Tambling
Make it 9 boys and add Andrew Collins.
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Finish last and trade someone of the ilk of Foley or Newman for draft picks.
Delistings will include the majority of the following
Hislop Thompson Polak Edwards McMahon Simmonds Rance Tuck King
Cousins may retire also.
There will probably be another 10 or so list changes this year at a minimum.
I think Connors is out of contract also.
We need to be thinking in terms of pruning off that '2nd tier'* of average players over the next 2-3 years also, the ones that are so average that they cannot even propel us into the finals, let alone a premiership tilt. I feel we have to dig a bit deeper Tucker, what can we get from the new franchise?
*Polo Tuck Newman White Jackson Graham Thursfield Rance Riewoldt Nahas
Foley has to go to the GC. We've got too many smalls we can afford it.
This really needs to happen over the next 2 years, compromised draft or not.
Spot on!
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I hope he doesn't Ramps but reality is and we knew it this time last year he may be just one hamstring tear away from it.
Connors is another in the gun and McGuane may also be used as trade bait with GC 17 also.
The job Hardwick is facing is huge.
Agree on the job at hand. But we dont have any spine at the moment. We are looking for kids like Astbury and Griffiths to give us a forward line. Thats the mess the old coaching staff left us in. Anyway Hardwick can atleast put in a proper structure
McGuane
Post
Martin
Astbury
Griffiths
And maybe he can try and develop a team around this group. Mind you McGuane will probably be at Gold Coast in 12 months.
I agree with you spine. Post looks like he would make a brilliant CHB...the problem is is that Astbury and Griffiths are years away. :banghead
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We have no else who can play upfront. Riewoldt is overated by the supporters and Polak shouldnt be on the list IMHO. We stood by him but enoughs enough.
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well one thing hasn't changed
our ability to cough it up bc of a simple unforced error when we are in complete control of a passage of play, I have never seen an afl side do it quite like us.
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I have been impressed by many of our young fellows - Astbury looks a potential star, Martin our best player in his first game, Vickery and Gus good in the middle, Tambling good, Farmer showed signs, Post showed a bit and Gourdis was reasonable in defence as was Connors.
Rance was very ordinary, Polak a waste of space and Hislop can't kick. When it all comes down to it though, the reason we are getting so soundly beaten is because Hawthorn is stronger, better drilled and far more experienced. We are babies and it will take many more of these type of games before we learn the game plan and how to play with each other.
We are miles off :'(
Stripes
Sorry, buy Gus hasnt had a possesion, has he :banghead HOPELESS
Has been very good in the ruck duels but I take your point.
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well one thing hasn't changed
our ability to cough it up bc of a simple unforced error when we are in complete control of a passage of play, I have never seen an afl side do it quite like us.
It'll take more than 3 months to change near on 30 years of poor skills and culture... :banghead
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well one thing hasn't changed
our ability to cough it up bc of a simple unforced error when we are in complete control of a passage of play, I have never seen an afl side do it quite like us.
seems that no matter who we have playing for us, or who the coach is, it's the same every year. we lack basic football skills within the squad!
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I have been impressed by many of our young fellows - Astbury looks a potential star, Martin our best player in his first game, Vickery and Gus good in the middle, Tambling good, Farmer showed signs, Post showed a bit and Gourdis was reasonable in defence as was Connors.
Rance was very ordinary, Polak a waste of space and Hislop can't kick. When it all comes down to it though, the reason we are getting so soundly beaten is because Hawthorn is stronger, better drilled and far more experienced. We are babies and it will take many more of these type of games before we learn the game plan and how to play with each other.
We are miles off :'(
Stripes
Sorry, buy Gus hasnt had a possesion, has he :banghead HOPELESS
Has been very good in the ruck duels but I take your point.
Our problem is this, we need talls who can make an ""IMPRINT"" on the game,not tap the ball down to the opposition.
Turn back the clock 10 years when Bennny Gale used to ruck and take telling marks inside D 50..
How many marks had Gus had ?? NIL
How many last year for the entire season?? single figures you would assume.
Coburg is Gus
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well one thing hasn't changed
our ability to cough it up bc of a simple unforced error when we are in complete control of a passage of play, I have never seen an afl side do it quite like us.
Maybe we need the players to see a shrink. Lie down on a couch and talk their brains out. Not see magicians or whatever Tambling went to last year. Someone who can get them to wear a yellow and black footy jumper at AFL level with pride.
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Thats just it. ITS A SQUAD nothing more
Its not the squad that will line up at round 1
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Well at least this really lowers our expectations of 2010. :help It's going to be another long year and just after I upgraded my membership to 17 games and convinced 3 other blokes to join up with me. Well at least I won't be suffering alone. :o
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well one thing hasn't changed
our ability to cough it up bc of a simple unforced error when we are in complete control of a passage of play, I have never seen an afl side do it quite like us.
seems that no matter who we have playing for us, or who the coach is, it's the same every year. we lack basic football skills within the squad!
Problem is we have loser mentality
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Great to see Thompson ok walking around
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If we had recruited the forward who went to Sydney Bradshaw... would it have been better? At least we would have had a target and won Griffiths and Astbury some time?
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Well at least this really lowers our expectations of 2010. :help It's going to be another long year and just after I upgraded my membership to 17 games and convinced 3 other blokes to join up with me. Well at least I won't be suffering alone. :o
:lol l be in the MCC no colors this year, spending my membership money on booze :rollin
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astbury and martin are putting every senior player to shame
They are 100% Wallace free though.
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we dont have any target down forward. Agree that Bradshaw should of been looked at
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If we had recruited the forward who went to Sydney Bradshaw... would it have been better? At least we would have had a target and won Griffiths and Astbury some time?
No we need a young set of forwards to be there when we mature. not players who will be retired when the cubs mature
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Thats how they should play long direct so the forward can lead & mark & goal just like that
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Guys realistically we knew we were going to finish bottom 3 at best this season.
It's just that we were free of Wallace and the infighting over him staying and going.
I still believe that Hardwick with time will do a great job and virtually turn over the list and set up a good game plan that will have us September bound sometime between 2012-14.
The job at hand is too big at the moment.
And for those talking about squads. Hawthorn are playing a squad too. Just that theirs is way better and more polished than ours.
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Problem is we have loser mentality
sadly that's it. once that changes, then results on the field should follow.
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Some interesting stats
Hislop 10 disposals 50% efficiency
Riewoldt 7 and 57
White 6 and 50
Nahas 5 and 40
Polo 4 and 50
Ill update on the turnover merchants shortly.
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can say Nahas is a great find for Richmond
He has 2nd & third efforts, Tackles & tackles again, never gives up & kicks goals
cant ask anymore than that
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Really unsure wht these refs are seeing. White gets pinged for not disposing, lids lays a tackle and the whorek player does the same and no free kick. ball comes loose and the whoreks score from it. WTF
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15 players under 10 disposals - just disgraceful.
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Junk time goals now using the corridor when Hawthorn have taken their foot off the pedal. Need to use the corridor when the game is there to be won.
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15 players under 10 disposals - just disgraceful.
Of those 15 players how many are second tier players or players that have been in the AFL system for 3 years? Just out of curiosity even though I have a fair idea please Ramps. :thumbsup
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How was that not a free? Polak got thrown to the ground after he'd landed with the ball clearly marked.
If that happened to a Hawks player, our player would have probably been suspended.
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we dont get free kicks what about over the shoulder.
We dont get anything in any game
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So which country towns will our players be visiting in the next week to play practice matches
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Off to Yea Ramps
Hopefully these umps are off to Siberia. I didn't realise Blingers didn't have a head :banghead
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Hislop is Richo's love child
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Martin plays with the poise of a 200 gamer!
He also shows up a lot of his team mates for the lazy slobs that they are. I love the way that as soon as he disposes the ball, he instantly starts running hard to make himself a target for the next possession.
I almost feel like apologising to him about the rest of the team.
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And for those talking about squads. Hawthorn are playing a squad too. Just that theirs is way better and more polished than ours.
6th year under a coach who brought in a good game plan.
We're at 4 months with our coach.
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And for those talking about squads. Hawthorn are playing a squad too. Just that theirs is way better and more polished than ours.
6th year under a coach who brought in a good game plan.
We're at 4 months with our coach.
It's not Dimma's fault we have a crap 2nd tier Wayne. Appreciate your comment but at least this further exposes that crap 2nd tier in match conditions which Dimma would only be acutely aware about and should be planning to rectify it at seasons end. You can't delist everybody. :thumbsup
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Richo at least kicked some goals like 800 of them. Hislop can't even kick 'em running into an open goal :scream
At least we fought it out. Actually could've kicked a few more goals in the last quarter.
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l'm happy with that hitout
seen some improvements in players
seen some good futures starting
also can see Newman not at Tigerland next year
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l'm happy with that hitout
seen some improvements in players
seen some good futures starting
also can see Newman not at Tigerland next year
did u see next weeks tattslotto numbers as well? Please let us know if you did!
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Martin plays with the poise of a 200 gamer!
He also shows up a lot of his team mates for the lazy slobs that they are. I love the way that as soon as he disposes the ball, he instantly starts running hard to make himself a target for the next possession.
I almost feel like apologising to him about the rest of the team.
good call chiko
its embarassing and shows why we aren't an afl standard footy team, an 18 y/o fresh out of junior footy does the basic fundamentals of footy better than "players" who have been in the afl system several yrs and more :-[
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Hey, we played terrible and Hawthorn played great but with the players out that we had in such a green team i don't think we could've done much better! They were nearly full strength! Its disappointing but it is NAB cup after all!
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l'm happy with that hitout
seen some improvements in players
seen some good futures starting
also can see Newman not at Tigerland next year
did u see next weeks tattslotto numbers as well? Please let us know if you did!
dont need to Ramps l won it 3 months ago ;D
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we started to play well in the last dont ya think?? :pray
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we started to play well in the last dont ya think?? :pray
When Hawthorn took their foot off the pedal and they applied less pressure on us. ::)
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we started to play well in the last dont ya think?? :pray
hawks switched off, thats all that happened
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It's not Dimma's fault we have a crap 2nd tier Wayne. Appreciate your comment but at least this further exposes that crap 2nd tier in match conditions which Dimma would only be acutely aware about and should be planning to rectify it at seasons end. You can't delist everybody. :thumbsup
Do we even have a first tier?
The players are too timid, except for the newbies. Going by comments made by Deledio - ''It's a fresh feeling. Everyone's excited and I've noticed a difference in meetings. It's not dominated by more experienced players. Younger players feel like they can say something and speak up'', I think it's going to take a while for the players to get some confidence up.
Hodge, Mitchell, Franklin and Roughead all play a game style that screams 'stuff you, i'm a champion".
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I think a Bex powder and a good lie down is needed by some.
It was a NAB Cup game, it was our first opportunity to put the new game plan and attitude into practice, it would have been one of the youngest ever squads to represent a VFL/AFL team, we played a premiership team with a serious point to prove, we didn't lie down, we showed a lot more pressure on the ball carrier across the ground, we didn't 'get' the new umpiring interpretations, we have 40 days and 2 more games to learn and practice and we unearthed a couple of good new kids from this year's draft already.
Chill out guys, the world isn't ending, we shouldn't have had expectations of much more, and a month is a lifetime in football. MCG, Thursday 25th March at about 10.00pm is when we should BEGIN to pass judgment on our senior team.
And how good is it that after their first 'practice' game, the draft of 2009 already looks like producing at least 2 capable footballers - and Griffiths, Dea, Taylor, Roberts et al have yet to pull on the jumper!
And how crap is that "protected zone" ruling! The only thing I can say in the umpire's defence is that they were also umpiring for the first time this season and probably have the same rights as the players to being 'rusty'.
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I think a Bex powder and a good lie down is needed by some.
It was a NAB Cup game, it was our first opportunity to put the new game plan and attitude into practice, it would have been one of the youngest ever squads to represent a VFL/AFL team, we played a premiership team with a serious point to prove, we didn't lie down, we showed a lot more pressure on the ball carrier across the ground, we didn't 'get' the new umpiring interpretations, we have 40 days and 2 more games to learn and practice and we unearthed a couple of good new kids from this year's draft already.
Chill out guys, the world isn't ending, we shouldn't have had expectations of much more, and a month is a lifetime in football. MCG, Thursday 25th March at about 10.00pm is when we should BEGIN to pass judgment on our senior team.
And how good is it that after their first 'practice' game, the draft of 2009 already looks like producing at least 2 capable footballers - and Griffiths, Dea, Taylor, Roberts et al have yet to pull on the jumper!
And how crap is that "protected zone" ruling! The only thing I can say in the umpire's defence is that they were also umpiring for the first time this season and probably have the same rights as the players to being 'rusty'.
You mention new game plan.
The first 3 quarters were kick short and kick wide.
If thats the game plan, we wont be competitive for the entire year I am afraid.
Hawthorn eased up in the last quarter.
Clarkson was smiling and joking at the three quarter time huddle
Very bad night for the RFC , its effects membership sales but more importantly players dropped there head once they got behind, the mark to Roughhead in the 3rd quarter when 5 of our players were spectators and watched said it all, THEY AINT LEARNT ANYTHING in the past 16 weeks.
Might also add a mate who works for an AFL Club and watches all clubs thought that we were the worst club training at the present., After tonight, he is correct.
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Astbury will be a gun.
Martin well no words can describe his game. He is going to make Players like Tambling and Edwards want to hide, thats how much better than those hacks he is.
Nahas=Exactly what we needed. a Milne type who can easily bag 6 goals in a game but he does which most senior players dont do especially Newman is FARQIN TACKLE.
he tackles like a player who is 90kgs, has a great work rate and plays like someone who has been given the chance to play senior footy and doesnt seem to take any game for granted.
Overall exactly what i thought would happen. no real surprises at all. Usual hacks like Hislop and Edwards leading the way.
Lets hope Dimma culls those 2 and Thompson at the end of this year. Polak needs another run but i cant see him helping us to many wins, just doesnt have the big body type we need
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You mention new game plan.
The first 3 quarters were kick short and kick wide.
If thats the game plan, we wont be competitive for the entire year I am afraid.
Yep, new game plan. Every single Richmond official and player has mentioned it since last season - it's not news Jack. Did it work for us? Not tonight, no. Does it have a long term future? Way way too early to tell. Was there differences from last year's? Absolutely. We were forced wide and kicked short largely because we came up against one of the best drilled and most disciplined sides going around in recent times. Samson and Goliath stuff. Did we revert to the stop, prop, look around, panic that we have all become accustomed to in recent years? Rarely, if at all. So let's indulge the coaching group and our very young squad just a tad more than hanging them on 3/4 of their first game together.
Hawthorn eased up in the last quarter.
Meh. I don't buy that crap at anytime. At any point in a game of football you only play as well as the opposition lets you. We allowed them to play well early on and we tightened up (or loosened up) later on - it all depends on whether your cup is half empty or half full.
Clarkson was smiling and joking at the three quarter time huddle
He was doing that before the game Jack.
Very bad night for the RFC , its effects membership sales but more importantly players dropped there head once they got behind, the mark to Roughhead in the 3rd quarter when 5 of our players were spectators and watched said it all, THEY AINT LEARNT ANYTHING in the past 16 weeks.
I disagree that they dropped their heads. I think they lacked the knowledge and confidence to turn the game around or at least stem the flow, but what more do you want from this team of absolute babies? I didn't see them drop off in intensity at the tackle (even if the execution wasn't perfect) for 4 quarters and that tells me a lot about the character of the group and the change in attitude.
Might also add a mate who works for an AFL Club and watches all clubs thought that we were the worst club training at the present., After tonight, he is correct.
What do you mean by that Jack? Worst in attitude, worst in method, worst in output, or just worst in I want to bag the club and this is a throwaway line I can chuck in?
Do you think Adelaide is going to be a 10 goal worse side than Port Adelaide over the course of this season?
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It's not Dimma's fault we have a crap 2nd tier Wayne. Appreciate your comment but at least this further exposes that crap 2nd tier in match conditions which Dimma would only be acutely aware about and should be planning to rectify it at seasons end. You can't delist everybody. :thumbsup
Do we even have a first tier?
The players are too timid, except for the newbies. Going by comments made by Deledio - ''It's a fresh feeling. Everyone's excited and I've noticed a difference in meetings. It's not dominated by more experienced players. Younger players feel like they can say something and speak up'', I think it's going to take a while for the players to get some confidence up.
Hodge, Mitchell, Franklin and Roughead all play a game style that screams 'stuff you, i'm a champion".
Other than Deledio and Cousins do we don't have a first tier player on our list.
Barring injuries Cotchin will get there and the same can be said of Martin. One can only hope we will have four first tier players on our list although Cuz is in his twilight and he will retire in the next few years so we would have to find another six to eight guns over the next few years from those youngsters drafted last year in Novemebr or in future draft. Slim pickings and we have a long way to go unfortunantely.
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Interesting game....Our younger blokes stood up namely Martin (great game and showing huge promise), Astbury, Farmer, Gourdis.Nason looked pretty good before going off injured. Postie did a couple of good things but that out of bounds on the full was a shocker. Of our more seasoned players I thought that Graham did ok in the ruck, Lids looked like he was blowing out the cobwebs, Rance was disappointing, Connors got plenty but turned it over too much. Tambo was a bit like Lids, Hislop had a shocker, Edwards was hot and cold but more cold and should be moved forward. Newman was okay, Polo very quiet, Cotchin looked underdone but showed some flashes of brilliance and should improve. Riewoldt and Morton were starved of opportunities...
Umps killed us. 5m Protected zone....eff it off NOW!!! It is an absolute disgrace of a rule and will ruin our great game. However, we were undisciplined.
Gameplan early on players showed plenty of enthusiasm and promising defensive pressure but it didn't last as tackles were not sticking and players getting caught out of position but this should improve as the players adapt to the game plan. Too many dropped marks. Chipping away in the backline and going short and wide needs to be gotten rid of now!!!
Overall saw some good things to build on so I'm not totally disappointed, however I'm not expecting a whole lot this year and just look forward to seeing more improvement from our young un's especially Martin who will be an absolute pleasure to watch.
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You mention new game plan.
The first 3 quarters were kick short and kick wide.
If thats the game plan, we wont be competitive for the entire year I am afraid.
Yep, new game plan. Every single Richmond official and player has mentioned it since last season - it's not news Jack. Did it work for us? Not tonight, no. Does it have a long term future? Way way too early to tell. Was there differences from last year's? Absolutely. We were forced wide and kicked short largely because we came up against one of the best drilled and most disciplined sides going around in recent times. Samson and Goliath stuff. Did we revert to the stop, prop, look around, panic that we have all become accustomed to in recent years? Rarely, if at all. So let's indulge the coaching group and our very young squad just a tad more than hanging them on 3/4 of their first game together.
Hawthorn eased up in the last quarter.
Meh. I don't buy that crap at anytime. At any point in a game of football you only play as well as the opposition lets you. We allowed them to play well early on and we tightened up (or loosened up) later on - it all depends on whether your cup is half empty or half full.
Clarkson was smiling and joking at the three quarter time huddle
He was doing that before the game Jack.
Very bad night for the RFC , its effects membership sales but more importantly players dropped there head once they got behind, the mark to Roughhead in the 3rd quarter when 5 of our players were spectators and watched said it all, THEY AINT LEARNT ANYTHING in the past 16 weeks.
I disagree that they dropped their heads. I think they lacked the knowledge and confidence to turn the game around or at least stem the flow, but what more do you want from this team of absolute babies? I didn't see them drop off in intensity at the tackle (even if the execution wasn't perfect) for 4 quarters and that tells me a lot about the character of the group and the change in attitude.
Might also add a mate who works for an AFL Club and watches all clubs thought that we were the worst club training at the present., After tonight, he is correct.
What do you mean by that Jack? Worst in attitude, worst in method, worst in output, or just worst in I want to bag the club and this is a throwaway line I can chuck in?
Do you think Adelaide is going to be a 10 goal worse side than Port Adelaide over the course of this season?
All I will say we must of watched a different game
They were pathetic in the game I watched tonight,
Or maybe you had your VHS playing instead and watched a game from 1980 ::)
Only ticks I would give for the game I watched was Martin, Nahas,.Cotchin
The following players were absolutely disgraceful.
Rance- Subbed off in 2nd quarter, - Told you all last year he was a dud
White- Subbed off as well. Hopeless
Polak, was slow before his accident, isnt up to it
Edwards - well i rather play McMahon if we are going to persist with him.
Graham - totally useless, taps the ball to the oppositions advanatge and not ours- failed to have a mark or kick ( same as last year, NO IMPACT )
Thompson, Not up to it.
Reiwoldt - This kids really needs to make an impact on the game, cant carry him for much longer, if he soesnt kick 50 for the year, out the door
Polo Did he play ?????????????????????? :banghead
Collins - extremely disappointing as I rate him, doesnt give at first option which is a real concern, got some bad habits I seen as well
Connors - not up to.- main culprit for kicking sidways and short and turning it over by foot
And I dont believe Post is a backman either, is poor below his knees, which is a real concern for a player playing in D50, should be played forward.
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You mention new game plan.
The first 3 quarters were kick short and kick wide.
If thats the game plan, we wont be competitive for the entire year I am afraid.
Yep, new game plan. Every single Richmond official and player has mentioned it since last season - it's not news Jack. Did it work for us? Not tonight, no. Does it have a long term future? Way way too early to tell. Was there differences from last year's? Absolutely. We were forced wide and kicked short largely because we came up against one of the best drilled and most disciplined sides going around in recent times. Samson and Goliath stuff. Did we revert to the stop, prop, look around, panic that we have all become accustomed to in recent years? Rarely, if at all. So let's indulge the coaching group and our very young squad just a tad more than hanging them on 3/4 of their first game together.
Hawthorn eased up in the last quarter.
Meh. I don't buy that crap at anytime. At any point in a game of football you only play as well as the opposition lets you. We allowed them to play well early on and we tightened up (or loosened up) later on - it all depends on whether your cup is half empty or half full.
Clarkson was smiling and joking at the three quarter time huddle
He was doing that before the game Jack.
Very bad night for the RFC , its effects membership sales but more importantly players dropped there head once they got behind, the mark to Roughhead in the 3rd quarter when 5 of our players were spectators and watched said it all, THEY AINT LEARNT ANYTHING in the past 16 weeks.
I disagree that they dropped their heads. I think they lacked the knowledge and confidence to turn the game around or at least stem the flow, but what more do you want from this team of absolute babies? I didn't see them drop off in intensity at the tackle (even if the execution wasn't perfect) for 4 quarters and that tells me a lot about the character of the group and the change in attitude.
Might also add a mate who works for an AFL Club and watches all clubs thought that we were the worst club training at the present., After tonight, he is correct.
What do you mean by that Jack? Worst in attitude, worst in method, worst in output, or just worst in I want to bag the club and this is a throwaway line I can chuck in?
Do you think Adelaide is going to be a 10 goal worse side than Port Adelaide over the course of this season?
like jackstar mentioned what game did you watch? I still saw fumbles when we were in the clear, i still saw panic when the hawks were playing high tempo for the first 3 QUARTERS and i also saw the hawks ease up in the last quarter of the first NAB cup game when 100pts up, as common sense would dictate in that situation - why risk injury. But you go ahead and 'don't buy into that', the hawks kept the foot down all the way to the line ;D
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we have a real bad losing mentality down there as well
As soon as we get behind, there is no one equal to the challenge ahead to stand up
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You mention new game plan.
The first 3 quarters were kick short and kick wide.
If thats the game plan, we wont be competitive for the entire year I am afraid.
Yep, new game plan. Every single Richmond official and player has mentioned it since last season - it's not news Jack. Did it work for us? Not tonight, no. Does it have a long term future? Way way too early to tell. Was there differences from last year's? Absolutely. We were forced wide and kicked short largely because we came up against one of the best drilled and most disciplined sides going around in recent times. Samson and Goliath stuff. Did we revert to the stop, prop, look around, panic that we have all become accustomed to in recent years? Rarely, if at all. So let's indulge the coaching group and our very young squad just a tad more than hanging them on 3/4 of their first game together.
Hawthorn eased up in the last quarter.
Meh. I don't buy that crap at anytime. At any point in a game of football you only play as well as the opposition lets you. We allowed them to play well early on and we tightened up (or loosened up) later on - it all depends on whether your cup is half empty or half full.
Clarkson was smiling and joking at the three quarter time huddle
He was doing that before the game Jack.
Very bad night for the RFC , its effects membership sales but more importantly players dropped there head once they got behind, the mark to Roughhead in the 3rd quarter when 5 of our players were spectators and watched said it all, THEY AINT LEARNT ANYTHING in the past 16 weeks.
I disagree that they dropped their heads. I think they lacked the knowledge and confidence to turn the game around or at least stem the flow, but what more do you want from this team of absolute babies? I didn't see them drop off in intensity at the tackle (even if the execution wasn't perfect) for 4 quarters and that tells me a lot about the character of the group and the change in attitude.
Might also add a mate who works for an AFL Club and watches all clubs thought that we were the worst club training at the present., After tonight, he is correct.
What do you mean by that Jack? Worst in attitude, worst in method, worst in output, or just worst in I want to bag the club and this is a throwaway line I can chuck in?
Do you think Adelaide is going to be a 10 goal worse side than Port Adelaide over the course of this season?
God rebutt Smokey.
Jack your a smart guy but you continue to sound like a 50 year old women who never gets to climax.
You start looking at everything negatively.
Richmond lost a NAB cup game in the same fashion as last, year a few little changes were noticeable and fingers crossed more click over the course o the year. Plenty of positives:
- Graham and Vickory looked 100 times more competitive in the ruck than last year. I actually thought they won the ruck battles but clearances suggest they wouldn't have.
- Post held Doughead to minimal shots on goal and when the ball hit the ground he won 100% of the time.
- Gourdis was not at sea against Franklin, soured my expectations of him
- Riewoldt was welcomed to Richos nightmare.. I don't think he was given a kick to advantage till the last qtr, but popped up in the 4th and showed improvement. Some will say downhill skier but many game slast ear when he didn't get a kick early his game was finished.
- Connors showed he has had a good pre season, long way to go for mine, but others like him.
- Dustin Martin
- Cotchin played didn't look hampered by any injury broke away with speed from a pack and kicked a 50m pass. Injury concerned finished. Big posistive.
- Astbury looks lively.
- Edwards was ok.
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Once again that '04 draft returned to haunt us. Compare the input from Roughead and Franklin with Lids and Bling. Deledio - hardly sighted all night.Tambling made mistake after mistake. Giving away 50m penalties, stepping over the line with his kick-in,handballing to teamates under pressure in the backline. You name it. I'm sick of waiting for this bloke to come good.
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Your right RR.
What can we do about it now. Nothing.
I still find it astonishing that Bulldogs cop NO stuff what so ever since the picked Tom "WHO" Williams ahead of Franklin, yet Tambling has copped it for years.
I think we'll enjoy the season alot more if we compare our lists with the likes of Melbourne and a Fremantle instead of Hawthorns. They have the best list in the comp on paper. Better than Geelongs for mine.
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We can also welcome back Cousins and Jackson into our midfield and if only a fit Foley. our depth is TAC Cup level which were bullied by Premiership players.
you stack up:
Deledio
Cotchin
Cousins
Jackson
Foley
Martin
against
Mitchell
Burgoyne
Sewell
Hodge
Ellis
Ladson
and the gap is less than the latter minus Burgoyne against Collins, Edwards, Nason etc.
We missed:
Cousins
Simmonds
Jackson
Foley
Thursfield
McGuane
all of whom would be in our best 22. Maybe McMahon as well... but we're grasping.
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We can also welcome back Cousins and Jackson into our midfield and if only a fit Foley. our depth is TAC Cup level which were bullied by Premiership players.
you stack up:
Deledio
Cotchin
Cousins
Jackson
Foley
Martin
against
Mitchell
Burgoyne
Sewell
Hodge
Ellis
Ladson
and the gap is less than the latter minus Burgoyne against Collins, Edwards, Nason etc.
We missed:
Cousins
Simmonds
Jackson
Foley
Thursfield
McGuane
all of whom would be in our best 22. Maybe McMahon as well... but we're grasping.
your lunatic to even think McMahon is in our top 22 :rollin
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oh and to top it off Hawthorns midfield has always smacked us
might add you left a few out of thier midfield
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oh and to top it off Hawthorns midfield has always smacked us
might add you left a few out of thier midfield
Everyone plays midfield these days...
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Your right RR.
What can we do about it now. Nothing.
We can trade him to GC17 for starters, assuming he still has any currency. What an absolute waste of a no.4 draft pick! >:(
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Batten down the hatches guys its going to be a lean couple of years.
LMAO at Jackstar with 90% of his whipping boys gone still finding truckloads to be negative about. It's a great thing to see with so much change at the RFC some things will never change.
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Batten down the hatches guys its going to be a lean couple of years.
LMAO at Jackstar with 90% of his whipping boys gone still finding truckloads to be negative about. It's a great thing to see with so much change at the RFC some things will never change.
Mate, last night was pathetic.
Apart from ahandfull of players like Martin, Nahas, Cotchin,Astbury and Lids, the rest should have a good look at themselves
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Batten down the hatches guys its going to be a lean couple of years.
LMAO at Jackstar with 90% of his whipping boys gone still finding truckloads to be negative about. It's a great thing to see with so much change at the RFC some things will never change.
Mate, last night was pathetic.
Apart from ahandfull of players like Martin, Nahas, Cotchin,Astbury and Lids, the rest should have a good look at themselves
Do we play for premiership points during the NAB Cup? Who actually thought we would get close to Hawthorn? Relax, it is early and we all know we will struggle this year, we have to! Its a part of the evolution process post Wallace!
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Thought Tuck was okay last night, only played a half and a bit and had 20 odd possesions, at least he had a crack and showed he wants to play and stand up !
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Polak was really bad.
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Polak was really bad.
Polak was bad before his accident
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He was never a full forward.
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Oh well never mind I watched the game is dismay and then calmed down and realised that yes we do have a fair way to go.
There were some positives and a huge negative. Loved Martins game Gourdis was good and Deledio's and a few of the others, bad luck to Nason, lets hope.... and bad luck to Thompson.
You can't really blame Polak either when the ball was coming in like a helicopter and he was one out against 3 just about every time the ball went in, not sure what the plan was there??
My huge negative, THE FREAKING UMPIRES AND RULES, leave the game alone ffs, umpires get it together.. :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Whats a real worry and people can say thats '"its only a practice game "" but we were never competitve and thats a real worry
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Geez, Edwards reminded me of Clinton King at his finest. Turnover merchant, one way runner, tackles not sticking. Not good at all ....
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I watched this game with no expectations of the scoreboard being too pretty at all.
I just wanted to watch the new blokes, and look for differences from the last few years.
I was not expecting to see a remarkable improvement in skills and decision making or all the bad habits disaspear like magic.
These things will take time and for some players it just wont happen. You can practice something new all you want, but when the pressure is on people generaly revert to what is already ingrained. It takes a long time to replace one ingrained habit with another, and the more you are exposed to pressure , hopefully the sooner this will happen.
What I did notice was a change in the way players deal with the ball carrier. In the past once the opposition had posession, or even looked like they would take possesion , the closest bloke would peel of to a short distance from the ball carrier and basically stand the mark.
Last night the bloke closest to the ball carrier closed in on him, putting him under at least a hint of pressure. Sometimes up to three blokes would turn and move towards him. On a number of times this caused that man to turn sideways or even backwards. This is what sides like hawthorne are so good at making us do, which sends most of us mental.
The difference is Hawthorne have been doing this as a unit for a while, an even won a premiership doing it, so they are also pretty good at absorbing that pressure untill eventually someone finds space and getting the ball to them. But at least that pressure was being applied.
Out third goal was probably even due to this. The hawthorne player should have taken posseion in the goalsquare. Last year Hislop would have stood where he was about 15 meters away with his hands in the air. Last night as hislop started to crowd him, he fumbled , Hislop, already moving hit the accelerator and a goal resulted. Last year the fumbler would have had time to recroup or at least be able to rush a behind
So there is a start, just a little basic step, but 1 little improvement
Most times there was always some one chasing the ball carrier, the problem was they were often so far away to start with they were never going to get them, but they still chased. I watched the game again this morning and did not notice 1 single occasion where the ball carrier ran away from someone who stood there with hands on his hips. Even if they were 15 meters away, there was someone always chasing. As sides like hawthorne dont make to many unforced errors, these energy draining 1%ers raley have any obvious impact, but it's a pretty good mindset.
I also noticed the workrate on these things dropped off towards the end of the quater. Match fitness and maturing for the kids will help that.
The willingness to make body contact was so much better than I have seen for a long time, even allowing for any passengers. Nason put a beautiful hit about midway through the second term. It opened the ball up for us but a skill error caused a turnover, but you dont need a crystal to know that was still going to happen. Martin goes in hard. Thompson nearly got killed backing up eyes on the ball. Thompson (Farmer?) hit the ball and franklin hard.. and hurt him. Nahas hit the ball and ??(Roughhead??) hard. Ill bet that Hawthorne are the sorest today that any side has been after a first round NAB cup game against Richmond for a long time. Thats probably not saying much but its still an improvement.
They never stopped trying to play how they are told, its just that Hawthorne never allowed them to untill the last quarter. Hawthorne forced them wide and kept them wide. In the last quater , when hawthorne eased off, things started to work, we could see how they wanted to play. Yeah they were junk time goals if you want, but in the past such a game becomes party time for the opposition in the last quarter. Because these guys till kept trying to do what they are told to do, when the opposition eased off we could step up, rather than mess your nappies so badly the game starts looking a training drill for the opposition done at half pace.
Hawthorne were just a better side for most of the first three quarters. Basically we were trying to beat them at their own game, but we we not good enough. No real surprise really, but got a good lesson.
The only thing that will stop Martin from being a star is between his ears, he has everything else. Surprised me with the number of unforced errors he made but hell, first game ever played at that pace and intensity :clapping - I hope they dont ever give him the captaincy if he is not a natural leader.
Yeah, I still see some of the same old poo, but I also can see some subtle improvements, things that will hopefully build the foundation for a team that can carry some average players, as all goods sides do, because of their work ethic. It's going to be a long season but there will be some times we get so sing the song. I really hope Footscray treat us with the contempt they normally do round 2.
To me the biggest disappointments of the night are that I have to wait until the real stuff starts to see them again, and that one of the stretchers called onto the ground wasn't for Campbell Brown. ;D
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Some pics from the game from slatteryimages:
http://images.slatterymedia.com/photography/results/?q=collection:AFL 2010 NAB Cup Rd 01 - Hawthorn v Richmond&sub_code=all
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NAB Cup round one: the wash-up
WILL BRODIE
February 15, 2010 - 3:07PM
Richmond
Believe it or not, but there were positives to come out of this massacre. Daniel Connors won plenty of the ball, used it pretty well under pressure and finally looks ready to claim a place on a stuff. Draftee Dustin Martin is not only talented, but tough, and strong bodied – the Tigers will be hard-pressed to keep him out of the team, at least for the first half of the year. Up forward, Jack Riewoldt and Robin Nahas made the most of their chances when they came, David Astbury hit the ball hard up forward and David Gourdis showed some composure whilst battling against the odds in defence.
The sobering reality is that it will take many more matches before this squad gels, and even then, they are inexperienced or deficient in so many areas that new coach Damien Hardwick must be cut a lot of slack. And if they persist with tough ball-winner Tom Hislop up forward, where his atrocious kicking was showcased on Saturday, ulcer medication will be needed before May.
Did not play: Ben Cousins, Nathan Foley, Daniel Jackson, Troy Simmonds, Will Thursfield, Troy Taylor, Jordan McMahon. But, outside of the first three, how many of those players will get a game, and make a big difference, come the regular season?
Next: NAB Challenge v loser of Geelong v North Melbourne, Saturday February 26, 4pm, Yea.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nab-cup-round-one-the-washup-20100215-o1h2.html
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We were also missing Luke McGuane. Probably our best tall defender.
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I watched this game with no expectations of the scoreboard being too pretty at all.
I just wanted to watch the new blokes, and look for differences from the last few years.
I watched the last quarter again yesterday al. You're right about some of the little improvements.
If anyone still has the last quarter, stick a bit of paper over the scoreboard and just watch for the changes in game plan. I understand the Hawks put the cue in the rack, but our guys clicked a few times.
The forward zone worked quite well against the Hawks defenders, and yes Hislop kicked terribly, but he tackled ferociously and hit hard. We held them up very well, and one thing I saw that made me very happy was NO MORE CORRALLING. As soon as there was a handball and a play on situation for the Hawks, the Tiger forwards charged in like sharks sensing blood.
We also didn't seem to get held up as often, players had enough support to keep the ball moving forward, quickly and skilfully.
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Did anyone tell Jarryd Morton that His cue was in the rack?? He certainly didn't look like he was too happy with that fact that his brother marked and goaled on him. He was rather miffed actually. I genuinely think that there was solid improvement in the last quarter from us and sure, Hawthorn's intensity may have dropped a notch or two but to say they all put the cue in the rack is drawing a long bow.
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Got to love sibling rivalry. It was a rare funny moment on the night how Jarryd reacted to brother Mitch outsmarting and outmarking him. I'm sure that one got a mention over the family table.
The forward zone worked quite well against the Hawks defenders, and yes Hislop kicked terribly, but he tackled ferociously and hit hard. We held them up very well, and one thing I saw that made me very happy was NO MORE CORRALLING. As soon as there was a handball and a play on situation for the Hawks, the Tiger forwards charged in like sharks sensing blood.
We also didn't seem to get held up as often, players had enough support to keep the ball moving forward, quickly and skilfully.
The Hawks' rolling zone looked to have disappeared in the last quarter. We were able to play direct corridor footy and kick long without being held up or turning the ball over every sec. That's a good observation wayne about us hunting to tackle in our forward line :thumbsup rather than just uselessly corralling to give the opposition player with the ball time to find a free teammate.
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Good to see some things never change with the Pies losing by one point :rollin
I took interest in the 5m protected zone rule tonight and it looked like the umps had been told to back off after the farce of our game. Tonight there were times where there were 2-3 players of each side within 5m of the player who had taken the mark yet no 50m was paid.
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I took interest in the 5m protected zone rule tonight and it looked like the umps had been told to back off after the farce of our game. Tonight there were times where there were 2-3 players of each side within 5m of the player who had taken the mark yet no 50m was paid.
MT, I too watched closely how the umps would handle that terrible rule and yes I agree the backed off in a big way. On several occasions players were in the zone and all they had to do was put their hands up in surrender and they were given a get out of jail free card. I guess we were the sacrificial lambs after all.
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Good to see some things never change with the Pies losing by one point :rollin
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It's like 1966 all over again :lol
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So true RR :lol
I took interest in the 5m protected zone rule tonight and it looked like the umps had been told to back off after the farce of our game. Tonight there were times where there were 2-3 players of each side within 5m of the player who had taken the mark yet no 50m was paid.
MT, I too watched closely how the umps would handle that terrible rule and yes I agree the backed off in a big way. On several occasions players were in the zone and all they had to do was put their hands up in surrender and they were given a get out of jail free card. I guess we were the sacrificial lambs after all.
Sacrificial lambs indeed! :banghead. I hope we set a formal complaint midweek to Geisch and the AFL about that crap.
I saw the hands up in surrender from a few players too last night like they were naughty 5 year olds :wallywink. Also Leigh Brown one time pointed to the ump about a Saints player running back around him as he was going back to take his kick and the ump just ignored him. I'm not knocking the umps for this because last night's game was well and fairly umpired. It just showed up how ridiculous and biased the decisions were against us last week. Hopefully next year we ask for a game in the second week of the first round of the NAB Cup to try and avoid being set-up like that with new rules coming in.
On the game itself as much as I hate to say it both sides last night looked like they'll be top 6 contenders once again. A decent standard game for February plus the Saints were missing half a dozen or so of their GF side. The Pies were definitely missing Fraser, Anthony and a couple of others. Cloke still can't kick to save himself :lol
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I know its only NAB cup by I took great pleasure watching the scum lose by a point.
If St Kilda win the thing I'd love to hear the Magpie fans start talking about what ifs in February and March which they will as they think they are the unluckiest team in the AFL.
A Collingwood friend of mine still bemoans that Geelong beat them by 72 points in the prelim last year after Geelong had pretty much fallen over the line in most games they played and won from the rd 14 St Kilda game. He tried to equate that teams save their best for Collingwood much like EPL teams save their best for when they play Manchester United. :lol :rollin :lol
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He tried to equate that teams save their best for Collingwood much like EPL teams save their best for when they play Manchester United. :lol :rollin :lol
Tell him he's dreamin'!! :scream :rollin :scream
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Also Leigh Brown one time pointed to the ump about a Saints player running back around him as he was going back to take his kick and the ump just ignored him.
Actually you could hear the ump in the effects mike telling Brown that the player in question was just going to his man. The umps must have got instructions not to be so dynamite on this after our game the other night.
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Its good to see the RfC can help the umps out in wgats fair and what isnt
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For the masochists out there, the replay of the Hawthorn game is on from 2pm on ONE.
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...or I could push sewing needles in my eyes for an equal amount of pleasure lol
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LOL Owl ;D
Not one 5m protected zone free tonight either ::). The umps have definitely been told to go easy.
A couple of the young new speedy Swans have looked real good tonight. Jetta especially. Shocking game overall though with heaps of skill errors.
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Brock McLean is playing super rule tonight - looks old and slow.
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It's always a good weekend when the Maggot-Pies and the Cheats lose
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
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Brock McLean is playing super rule tonight - looks old and slow.
That one kick for a point was special ;D
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Not a very smart move to give Captain Kirk any extra impetus when you play on him is it?
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Just finished watching the Sydney v Blues game, I thought the Blues looked very average and very slow. I realise they are missing a couple of players but still, their disposal was worse than ours IMO.
They don't look very flash at all actually.
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Actually further to my previous post, if people are complaining about the size (bulk wise) of our players please watch the Carlton v Sydney game. Their players (Blues) are like stick figures.
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Does anyone know why the Eagles were allowed to play a practice match yesterday against Swan Districts over here?? Why wouldn't we have played against coburg again this weekend if we were permitted or at least an intra club game?
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Does anyone know why the Eagles were allowed to play a practice match yesterday against Swan Districts over here?? Why wouldn't we have played against coburg again this weekend if we were permitted or at least an intra club game?
Who played for the Eagles?
Was it the players who played last week or the players that didn't?
the ones that dind't play NAB cup would probably get permission
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Does anyone know why the Eagles were allowed to play a practice match yesterday against Swan Districts over here?? Why wouldn't we have played against coburg again this weekend if we were permitted or at least an intra club game?
Who played for the Eagles?
Was it the players who played last week or the players that didn't?
the ones that dind't play NAB cup would probably get permission
Yeah I think it was the ones that didn't play actually.
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Worsfold mentioned after their win over the Bombers that this next practice match is for those Eagles who didn't play that night. And who's to say we didn't have a little intra-club hitout yesterday morning at training.
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Just about to watch the Freo Melbourne game to have a look at Trengove and Scully.
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not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.
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not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.
North will be ahead of us initially as they still have quite a few mature players in their best 22 to win games. They had 10 guys 24 years old or above in their NAB side compared to just our 4 :help. The quality individually within their 10 would exceed our 4 as well. So much for our senior core :P. Then add the fact we played 8 guys under 21 playing compared to North's 3. I'm not knocking North's win but just showing why they will be ahead of us for the next 2 years.
Let's see where both sides are at in say 3 years time when North will have lost a third of their current best 22 to retirement. I hope they overachieve in the next couple of years and end up with poor draft picks for finishing mid-ladder in an era where the new teams will be hogging the first round of the draft.
North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Richmond
28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24:
23: Polo (52), Thomson (30), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46), Gourdis# (-)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3), Nason (-)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Astbury (-)
18: Martin (-)
nb. Age (current number of AFL games) - Round 1, 2010
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Talking about the rubbish rules of the NAB cup, how about the NAB 9 Pointers?
Weren't they brought in to give the fans a little something extra to cheer about? I don't know where to find the stats, but from the games I've watched on the box so far, it seems that most of the niners are coming from 50 metre penalties.
Seems like just a little additional help. Get a 50 and then have 3 extra points for an infringement forward of centre.
Just another rubbish rule. The AFL needs to forget about this Mickey Mouse stuff and have the umpires concentrate on consistent interpretations of the kosher rules.
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Just another rubbish rule. The AFL needs to forget about this Mickey Mouse stuff and have the umpires concentrate on consistent interpretations of the kosher rules.
Agree. Just as the players need the real match practice, so do the umpires so let's give them true practice interpreting the rules they need to for the whole season.
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North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Looking at that list, reminds me of a Richmond list of the past 10 or so years. A couple of older A graders, some older battlers who will keep young guys out of the side and stunt their development and some young guys who look promising. I reckon if they can get their older guys on the park every week, they could be in line for a mid table finish. Perhaps in 10 years time, Ninthmond will be a thing of the past and Ninth Melbourne will be the new reference.
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That Freo v Melbourne game was absolute rubbish. Probably one of the worst games I have seen even taking pre season into account. At least our final quarter showed glimpses of promise in an understrength side.
On that performance we will do better than Melbourne this year. They were at near full strength and were totally clueless. Regarding Melbourne's prized recruits, I think that Martin is well ahead of Scully and Trengove. Scully is lightning quick but is a bit of a handball machine and Trengove does have excellent footskills but is a bit on the slow side. Martin has both Scully's speed and Trengove's footskills and has a much more mature body than both of them. I think we are on a winner with Martin for sure. :thumbsup
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Yep have to agree Tiga, that game was probably the worst game out of the round, regardless of the scores at least we showed some promise and a glimpse of our future game plan. Melbourne did look like a bit of a rabble.
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WAT we scored more points than Melbourne against a far superior team in a full strength Hawks side and without the assistance of any 9 pointers. They had Bruce out of their near full strength line-up. We had 6 or 7 out of our starting 22.
I think the Hawks did us a favour in bashing the crap out of us as it has given us a benchmark to work with. Melbourne however...Lets just say that Freo ain't no Benchmark especially when one of their best players on the night was rookie listed. :lol
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Well there you go Tiga, not sure why we cop so much crap then, Melbourne are apparently miles ahead of us in rebuilding. I didn't see that yesterday, we will beat them this year and a few others as well.
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not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.
North will be ahead of us initially as they still have quite a few mature players in their best 22 to win games. They had 10 guys 24 years old or above in their NAB side compared to just our 4 :help. The quality individually within their 10 would exceed our 4 as well. So much for our senior core :P. Then add the fact we played 8 guys under 21 playing compared to North's 3. I'm not knocking North's win but just showing why they will be ahead of us for the next 2 years.
Let's see where both sides are at in say 3 years time when North will have lost a third of their current best 22 to retirement. I hope they overachieve in the next couple of years and end up with poor draft picks for finishing mid-ladder in an era where the new teams will be hogging the first round of the draft.
North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Richmond
28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24:
23: Polo (52), Thomson (30), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46), Gourdis# (-)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3), Nason (-)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Astbury (-)
18: Martin (-)
nb. Age (current number of AFL games) - Round 1, 2010
Cousins delisted?
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not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.
North will be ahead of us initially as they still have quite a few mature players in their best 22 to win games. They had 10 guys 24 years old or above in their NAB side compared to just our 4 :help. The quality individually within their 10 would exceed our 4 as well. So much for our senior core :P. Then add the fact we played 8 guys under 21 playing compared to North's 3. I'm not knocking North's win but just showing why they will be ahead of us for the next 2 years.
Let's see where both sides are at in say 3 years time when North will have lost a third of their current best 22 to retirement. I hope they overachieve in the next couple of years and end up with poor draft picks for finishing mid-ladder in an era where the new teams will be hogging the first round of the draft.
North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Richmond
28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24:
23: Polo (52), Thomson (30), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46), Gourdis# (-)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3), Nason (-)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Astbury (-)
18: Martin (-)
nb. Age (current number of AFL games) - Round 1, 2010
Cousins delisted?
Cuz didn't play against Hawthorn, Bents ;).
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That Freo v Melbourne game was absolute rubbish. Probably one of the worst games I have seen even taking pre season into account. At least our final quarter showed glimpses of promise in an understrength side.
On that performance we will do better than Melbourne this year. They were at near full strength and were totally clueless. Regarding Melbourne's prized recruits, I think that Martin is well ahead of Scully and Trengove. Scully is lightning quick but is a bit of a handball machine and Trengove does have excellent footskills but is a bit on the slow side. Martin has both Scully's speed and Trengove's footskills and has a much more mature body than both of them. I think we are on a winner with Martin for sure. :thumbsup
Dee fans not happy. Already throwing around their thermoses, booking snow holidays and getting stuck into Bailey. They are giving Bailey till the middle of the season (sounds like us last year) and asking whether Garry Lyon will take over.
Early signs for DB are bad - Now his 3rd year (http://demonology.midnight.net.au/Index.PHP?Mode=Forum&SubMode=DisplayPosts&MessageThreadID=31379&BoardType=0)
Bailey or Lyon (http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19326)
Were we tanking last night? (http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19343)
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North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Looking at that list, reminds me of a Richmond list of the past 10 or so years. A couple of older A graders, some older battlers who will keep young guys out of the side and stunt their development and some young guys who look promising. I reckon if they can get their older guys on the park every week, they could be in line for a mid table finish. Perhaps in 10 years time, Ninthmond will be a thing of the past and Ninth Melbourne will be the new reference.
I agree TT. North have said they're not rebuilding and it seems Scott is going all out for wins straight away even in the NAB Cup with the same old senior players who have continually let them down in the past 5 years. I guess when they have the lowest membership tally by far North can't afford a proper rebuild.
They do have a 20 year old and under group but most of them haven't played a game yet.
20: Tarrant (-), Delaney# (-), Meredith# (-)
19: Benjamin (-), Wright (4), O'Keefe (-), Black (-), Ziebell (10), Speight# (-), White# (-), Daw# (-), Scott# (-)
18: Bastinac (-), Cunnington (-), MacMillan (-), Kennedy (-), Norris (-)
I just don't see the class in their playing list to end up genuine contenders in the next few years. "Shinboner spirit" doesn't win flags.
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The thing about the Roos is that they were very hard at the ball for four qtrs of football, well bar the lapse when the Cats got a sniff. We were the same for the first 15 minutes of the game against the Hawks but we just couldn't break through and the crap decisions really turned the tide in that game and I think the boys lost a bit faith.
The Dee's, well, they just didn't seem to much going on at all.
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i think Dean Bailey and Mark Harvey are in the gun this year.
i don't think Melbourne will win more then five matches, so Bailey's record will be 66 matches for less then 10-12 wins.
i think it isn't him, but Melbourne's list.
Melbourne list "IMO" is still 2013-2014 for finals.
i don't think Bailey is going to last that long.
Fremantle, are similar "IMO", maybe a year earlier for finals.
us? i am not sure, i don't think we are as bad as some people think.
new coach, new match plan, new attitude, we could be two years away from finals?
North Melbourne are interesting!
it is a practice match they won, but it is fantastic for them, they need to keep winning for their survival.
i am happy we are playing Geelong, even though it is a practice match, we need practice against teams that are the benchmark of the competition.
however, we risk getting smashed and loosing confidence.
St Kilda and Adelaide next after Geelong!
the four teams Hardwick mentioned as having the best defencive tactics.
:)
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North's defensive skills and discipline are far superior to ours (ain't everyone's :P ) so they don't mind a grinding dogfight - see their win choking Essendon early last year. Last year they were too one-paced across the ground and too one-dimensional up forward. When Hale has to play FF then good luck :help. They lack class matchwinners to push too far up the ladder but an injury-free run could easily see them finish mid-ladder (there'll be a number of crap teams this year below the top half-dozen IMO). Their better players are just good B-graders. Harvey is still their classiest player (A-grader) and he's close to retirement. Let's see where they and us are in 3 years time. As I said they can have their mid-ladder year with its ordinary picks and we'll happily accept pick 4 to add another young gun.
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North's defensive skills and discipline are far superior to ours (ain't everyone's :P ) so they don't mind a grinding dogfight - see their win choking Essendon early last year. Last year they were too one-paced across the ground and too one-dimensional up forward. When Hale has to play FF then good luck :help. They lack class matchwinners to push too far up the ladder but an injury-free run could easily see them finish mid-ladder (there'll be a number of crap teams this year below the top half-dozen IMO). Their better players are just good B-graders. Harvey is still their classiest player (A-grader) and he's close to retirement. Let's see where they and us are in 3 years time. As I said they can have their mid-ladder year with its ordinary picks and we'll happily accept pick 4 to add another young gun.
so MT, pick 4 means 16th? is that good for our young Cubs? what about 6th pick finishing 15th? or do you think it is better that after Round 16, if we can make the finals, go for it? or "Tank" after Round 16?
:)
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North's defensive skills and discipline are far superior to ours (ain't everyone's :P ) so they don't mind a grinding dogfight - see their win choking Essendon early last year. Last year they were too one-paced across the ground and too one-dimensional up forward. When Hale has to play FF then good luck :help. They lack class matchwinners to push too far up the ladder but an injury-free run could easily see them finish mid-ladder (there'll be a number of crap teams this year below the top half-dozen IMO). Their better players are just good B-graders. Harvey is still their classiest player (A-grader) and he's close to retirement. Let's see where they and us are in 3 years time. As I said they can have their mid-ladder year with its ordinary picks and we'll happily accept pick 4 to add another young gun.
so MT, pick 4 means 16th? is that good for our young Cubs? what about 6th pick finishing 15th? or do you think it is better that after Round 16, if we can make the finals, go for it? or "Tank" after Round 16?
:)
We won't make the finals this year :nope and finishing mid-ladder just outside the top eight in 9th-11th would be a disaster given where we are at still needing another clean out of our list and another injection of classy juniors.
I don't think it will come down to us having to tank for the simple reason we can't expect an inexperienced team of 23 year olds and mostly unders to win too many games this year anyway. It's going to be a tough year to take :-\ but we knew that already as does Hardwick. Yeah pick 6 (=15th) is okay although it's been a "cursed" top 10 pick over time for some bizarre reason :-\.
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not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.
North will be ahead of us initially as they still have quite a few mature players in their best 22 to win games. They had 10 guys 24 years old or above in their NAB side compared to just our 4 :help. The quality individually within their 10 would exceed our 4 as well. So much for our senior core :P. Then add the fact we played 8 guys under 21 playing compared to North's 3. I'm not knocking North's win but just showing why they will be ahead of us for the next 2 years.
Let's see where both sides are at in say 3 years time when North will have lost a third of their current best 22 to retirement. I hope they overachieve in the next couple of years and end up with poor draft picks for finishing mid-ladder in an era where the new teams will be hogging the first round of the draft.
North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Richmond
28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24:
23: Polo (52), Thomson (30), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46), Gourdis# (-)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3), Nason (-)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Astbury (-)
18: Martin (-)
nb. Age (current number of AFL games) - Round 1, 2010
thats a little cheeky mt. wheres norths recruits from this yr many think they klilled the 09 draft. sheesh cunnington bastinac who i liked at pick 19. black macmillan kennedy norris. plus rookie picks that included the athletically gifted daw.
nm have a total of 8 players on their list who are 26 or older. so in 3 yrs they will have 8 who may be past their best.that is 29 and over over and well into the back end of their careers or gone.
the rfc have 7 in exactly the same boat.
rich have 29 players 22 or under including rookies guess what nm have the same number.
in 3 yrs time it will be down to who has drafted best and not just with early picks. imo north will have just as many players in the 23 thru 28 bracket as we will, if not more as i believe we have heaps of glass half full types to get rid of still.
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There's nothing cheeky about it, he only listed the 26 players from each side in Round 1 of the NAB cup
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There's nothing cheeky about it, he only listed the 26 players from each side in Round 1 of the NAB cup
fair enough my bad.
still when predicting what may happen to a team in 3 yrs time and comparing them to another team you look at the entire list.
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claw, the one thing I notice is that there is a constant with your posts in the concentration on the individuals, rather than the team. The difference between NM and us in three years time could very well be down to the coaches. A team with the right attitude and a sound, appropriate game plan, where everyone knows their job and performs it well, can overcome , to a certain degree, player deficiencies.
The old adage that a champion team will beat a team of champions will always ring true.
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The older players in Norths side are still crucial to their success and remain in the top bracket of talent in their club whereas other than Newman and perhaps Cousins, our older players are not in that same talent range. Most of the Tigers best players at the moment are our kids whereas Norths are mid to older. Both have a many potential talented players coming through but any success we achieve in the near future will be built on the back of our youth which will hold us in better stead in the future while North is still attempting to get games into their younger brigade.
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Re last weeks match between StKilda and Collingwood, did anyone see the Saints runner who got poleaxed by a Pies player??
I'm certain this guy used to sit in the box with Frawley when he coached us. Does anyone remember his name??
LMAOO anyway!! :rollin :rollin
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Dont know his name but he gave away a free kick a bit earlier for being where he shouldnt have been. Good awareness about him, for sure :whistle
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Re last weeks match between StKilda and Collingwood, did anyone see the Saints runner who got poleaxed by a Pies player??
I'm certain this guy used to sit in the box with Frawley when he coached us. Does anyone remember his name??
LMAOO anyway!! :rollin :rollin
Tony Walsh, he is a great fella actually.
Went from us to the Bulldogs where he did the running and the board on the bench.
Then went to Saints with Ross Lyon.
Top fella is Walshy.
By the way, he was sacked by the tiges
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Carl Peterson has shown a little bit so far tonight. Will be interesting to see whether it is a flash in the pan. Richo said that he he was too young and immature for AFL when he was at Richmond. Interesting comments.
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Punching his fist through a glass panel in a door/window would have something to do with being called immature. He's natural footy talent wasn't under question at Punt Rd. He's looked promising so far tonight on a HFF with that huge leap, clean hands and hard chasing and tackling.
4 goals to Hall in the first quarter. He's loving the pinpoint passes from the bullies midfield too. The doggies showing how to pierce the Hawks' cluster zone with quick switches of play and precise quick skills by hand and foot which was something we couldn't do. Mind you the Hawks' intensity looks a fraction of what they showed against us.
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Josh Gibson= overated hack
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Hawks tackling and intensity was well down
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Hawks tackling and intensity was well down
Can't wait until we play the Dogs. :-[
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Yep Jack I don't think North were sad to see Gibson go. Hawks were desperate for any tallish defender and based on tonight he's not the answer. Once you get through and past the Hawthorn zone it's pretty easy to score against them. We didn't have the transition speed, spread and skills to get through the zone; the dogs did.
Hawks tackling and intensity was well down
Can't wait until we play the Dogs. :-[
Round 2 isn't it :help.
That forward line gangtacking pressure was great to watch tonight. The Hawks' defence had no answer to it. Would be great to see that high level of pressure eventually from the Tigers :-\. If the doggies can keep Hall on the park without literally snapping they will give it a serious shake this year. With their precise skills, Hall straightens them up and gives them that long goto option when the short small options are closed down which they didn't have before.
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Josh Gibson= overated hack
Would be better suited to a Calvin Klein ad campaign because he ain't no footballer. Good pickup hawks! :thumbsup
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Round 2 isn't it :help.
That soon is it?
Doggies is one slick outfit.
Hate to be so negative but we'll be murdered on current form.
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not many comments on the roos cats game. i would suggest if people think north will be easy beats for us they think again, and yeah it was just a nab cup game.
North will be ahead of us initially as they still have quite a few mature players in their best 22 to win games. They had 10 guys 24 years old or above in their NAB side compared to just our 4 :help. The quality individually within their 10 would exceed our 4 as well. So much for our senior core :P. Then add the fact we played 8 guys under 21 playing compared to North's 3. I'm not knocking North's win but just showing why they will be ahead of us for the next 2 years.
Let's see where both sides are at in say 3 years time when North will have lost a third of their current best 22 to retirement. I hope they overachieve in the next couple of years and end up with poor draft picks for finishing mid-ladder in an era where the new teams will be hogging the first round of the draft.
North Melbourne
31: Harvey (269)
29: Jones (155)
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28: Harding (129), Rawlings (201)
27: Petrie (176), Pratt (98 ), Firrito (127)
26:
25: Hale (117), McIntosh (79)
24: McMahon (41)
23: Thompson (28 ), Campbell (47)
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22: Lower (34), Swallow (62), Anthony (10), Adams (8 )
21: Urquhart (32), Goldstein (16), Hansen (29), Ross (12), Warren (9), Greenwood (11), Gartlett (5)
20: Tarrant (-)
19: Wright (4), Ziebell (10)
Richmond
28: Tuck (110)
27: Newman (154)
26: Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24:
23: Polo (52), Thomson (30), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Graham (18 ), White (54), Nahas (19)
21: Hislop (19), Collins (10), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46), Gourdis# (-)
20: Post (7), Rance (15), Farmer (3), Nason (-)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9), Astbury (-)
18: Martin (-)
nb. Age (current number of AFL games) - Round 1, 2010
thats a little cheeky mt. wheres norths recruits from this yr many think they klilled the 09 draft. sheesh cunnington bastinac who i liked at pick 19. black macmillan kennedy norris. plus rookie picks that included the athletically gifted daw.
nm have a total of 8 players on their list who are 26 or older. so in 3 yrs they will have 8 who may be past their best.that is 29 and over over and well into the back end of their careers or gone.
the rfc have 7 in exactly the same boat.
rich have 29 players 22 or under including rookies guess what nm have the same number.
in 3 yrs time it will be down to who has drafted best and not just with early picks. imo north will have just as many players in the 23 thru 28 bracket as we will, if not more as i believe we have heaps of glass half full types to get rid of still.
Most of North's senior players are still in their best 22. The likes of Polak, Tuck, King, McMahon and Thomson aren't in ours thank god. Losing their senior players will hurt them more.
As for 2009 recruits ours have done alright so far this preseason. At least they're been given games and showing some promise. I agree it will depend on how all these U23 recruits are doing in 3 years time to see who has done best. Beating Geelong in a single preseason game does not maketh a gun list as journos overexcited about North's win last week were doing ;).
For the record our side today was:
31: Cousins (253), Simmonds (190)
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27: Newman (154)
26: King (41), Moore (65)
25: Polak# (108 )
24: Roberts# (-)
23: Jackson (69), Thomson (30), Thursfield (53), McGuane (54), Morton (50), Tambling (95)
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22: Deledio (106), Nahas (19), Webberley (-)
21: Hislop (19), Connors (10), Edwards (47), Riewoldt (46)
20: Farmer (3)
19: Cotchin (25), Vickery (9)
18: Martin (-), Dea (-), Taylor (-)
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Sheesh Port flogged the Weagles by 78 points :o.
We didn't miss much from both ex-Tigers :nope. Sarge kicked a couple early but that's all and poor JON ended up with just 8 possies.
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Sheesh Port flogged the Weagles by 78 points :o.
We didn't miss much from both ex-Tigers :nope. Sarge kicked a couple early but that's all and poor JON ended up with just 8 possies.
JON = very average, actually below average, watched the game and he was caught out and hammered many times, typical from him, played the same when with us, bye JON!! Schulz, well, hot and cold, can't have that in a team, we lost nothing there!!
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Yep good riddance to the pucks
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Quite funny reading Eagles fan rating JON's game last night. Not sure what game they were watching ???
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676430&page=7
North lose to Freo at home lol. As they say a week is a long time in footy ;).
Barlow has been a good mature recruit for Freo so far. Another lazy 27 touches today.
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Quite funny reading Eagles fan rating JON's game last night. Not sure what game they were watching ???
http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676430&page=7
North lose to Freo at home lol. As they say a week is a long time in footy ;).
Barlow has been a good mature recruit for Freo so far. Another lazy 27 touches today.
i still say write fremantle of at your own peril.
if an abundance of height size structure with a liberal sprinkling of promising kids means anything along with a massive home ground advantage freo will shock a few this yr.
just looking at structure they stack up okay against most sides.
b/ grover 189/97 - tarrant 193/93 -
hb/ - mcpharlin 193/93 - mcphee 190/89
c/ morabito 190/90 - haselby - palmer 182/80
hf/ johnson 194/95 i really like this guy.
f/ pavlich 192/102
r/ sandilands 211/123.
looks pretty good structure to me they are a big side and they have some promising mids like palmer moribito hill suban ibbotson.
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i still say write fremantle of at your own peril.
if an abundance of height size structure with a liberal sprinkling of promising kids means anything along with a massive home ground advantage freo will shock a few this yr.
just looking at structure they stack up okay against most sides.
b/ grover 189/97 - tarrant 193/93 -
hb/ - mcpharlin 193/93 - mcphee 190/89
c/ morabito 190/90 - haselby - palmer 182/80
hf/ johnson 194/95 i really like this guy.
f/ pavlich 192/102
r/ sandilands 211/123.
looks pretty good structure to me they are a big side and they have some promising mids like palmer moribito hill suban ibbotson.
Not underestimating them but that's a mature spine they've had for a few years yet still gone nowhere. Another side that has topped up (why would they want McPhee if they are rebuilding = Harvey chasing another Essendon reject).
30 Grover (167), Solomon (209)
29 Tarrant (220), Hayden (102), Headcase (161)
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28 Pavlich (213), McPharlin (151), Haselby (188 )
27 McPhee, Sandilands (135), Thorton (88 )
26 Dodd (98 ), Crowley (78 )
25 Johnson (84), Duffield (45)
24 Murphy (47), Schammer (124), Mundy (108 ), Bradley (73)
23 Broughton (15)
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22 Ballantyne (8 ), Ibbotson (42), Barlow# (-), Silvagni# (-)
21 O'Brien (3), Mayne (22), Palmer (25), Hinkley (13), Van Berlo# (4)
20 Clarke (5), De Boer (17)
19 Hill (22), Suban (22), Hall (-), Ruffles (3), Bucovaz (-), Walters (3), Sibosado# (-), Pearce# (8 ), Shepheard# (-)
18 Crichton (-), Robertson (-), Fyfe (-), Morabito (-), Houghton (-), Bollenhagen (-)
The bold are their players 190cm+.
That list structure should be pushing top 8 at least with 18 players 24 years or older but it finished bottom 4. What happens in 2-3 years time when the older core withers/retires?! There's a clear age gap in the middle before you hit all the teenagers they've recruited in the past two drafts. Especially with their talls.
IMO they are where we were in 2005. Yep they may push mid-ladder like we did initially under Wallace but more pain ahead for the Dockers and hard to see Harvey surviving if/when they flop again.
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Schulz, well, hot and cold, can't have that in a team, we lost nothing there!!
Schulz is actually working out quite well for Port so far. He is not dominating by any means but their forward line has functioned extremely well the past couple of weeks and he has played his part. As one of a few key targets, they have a good thing going atm & they'd be well happy at this early stage I'd suggest.
JOn got sold a couple of hospital passes but showed a couple of nice things as well. Don't think he'll make it however.
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NO matter how well Shultze works out for port, we have lost nothing. He was 'damaged goods' and was treading water at best at Richmond. If he settles into the forward line at port good luck to him.
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NO matter how well Shultze works out for port, we have lost nothing. He was 'damaged goods' and was treading water at best at Richmond. If he settles into the forward line at port good luck to him.
Agreed. Had to go.
Still I'd prefer him to Polak up forward.
In saying that Polly is treading water too.
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sarge out
farmer in
early days yet but i think we come out ahead on that deal
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NO matter how well Shultze works out for port, we have lost nothing. He was 'damaged goods' and was treading water at best at Richmond. If he settles into the forward line at port good luck to him.
Yep we had been waiting since that Brisbane game in 2004 where he kicked 6 as a 19 year old to show that sort of form on a consistent basis but 5 years later he was no different so no loss to us. He should have been traded two years earlier when we had the chance. If Farmer becomes a good player for us then that is even more a bonus.
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I only saw the second half but it was a good game between the Dogs and Port last night. A high standard for March. Hall saved the doggies' bacon in the end. Port look to have some good youngsters coming through. Sarge didn't play for Port due to a death in the family.
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Sheesh the Dogs are off to a flyer.
Cry baby Riewoldt still the umps' lovechild ::). Saints player pushes Griffin in the back and into Riewoldt's side and the ump pays Riewoldt the free :rollin.
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Love watching the Doggies play. We are eons off that pace in terms of seasoned bodies and great skills.
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i was at the Grand Final last night.
Western, the hype could bite them against Collingwood.
i would becareful!
the do look "Good" Western with Hall.
but he is 33 years old and it is a 22-25 match season.
lets see how his body holds up.
he kicked five goals in the final quarter.
they match was won early in the final, before he kicked his goals.
Collingwood won by 81 points against Port Adelaide.
does this mean Port Adelaide, are as horrible as Richmond?
:)
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one thing i noticed from lasts night game was at different times bock sides struggled to bring the ball out of deffence because of defensive pressure from the opposition. There was lots of short passing, sideways and even backwards, but the difference is they have the skills and players working hard to eventually create space.
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Collingwood won by 81 points against Port Adelaide.
does this mean Port Adelaide, are as horrible as Richmond?
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yes
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Port Adelaide might be as bad as us but that will be a consequence of politics and infighting at the club. Right now pound for pound their side is better than ours. We are poor due to the inexperience of the list the implementation of a new gameplan and the deprogramming of the last one. Furthermore Port have had the same coach for 10 years and the coaching philosophy although may have changed the message probably hasn't.
12 games in SA should see that they finish above us also as some teams still travel very poorly interstate.
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Geez Mick Malthouse deep down can't be happy about being pushed out of a job.
He hasn't won them a flag, but he gives them every possible chance each season by getting them into the finals.
The Pies are looking quite good at the moment, and although I don't rate the list up there with the Dogs, Saints, Cats and even the Hawks, he gets every player giving 100%.
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Geez Mick Malthouse deep down can't be happy about being pushed out of a job.
He hasn't won them a flag, but he gives them every possible chance each season by getting them into the finals.
The Pies are looking quite good at the moment, and although I don't rate the list up there with the Dogs, Saints, Cats and even the Hawks, he gets every player giving 100%.
While it is very universally agreed that Mick has done a great job with the list he has at his disposal compared to the Cats Saints Dogs and Hawks he has failed to win a flag and he had two chances to do so in 2002-03. Ultimately grat coaches are measured on premierships. If Norm Smith had won only two of six flags would he have been revered as much as he is now? Sure he'd be disappointed but that disappointement with the situation smacks of Eddie's greed to not lose Mick or Bucks to an opposition team and the conflict it could create may kill that 100% that the team gives week in and out from March to August 31. We got beat by Bris and Geelong by big margins in prelims and in 2001 we topped up thinking it was the answer just as the Pies did last year. I doubt Ball and Jolly will be the answer to all their problems just some and therein lies the issue is being competitive year in and out more important than going for a flag for 5 years rebuilding and trying to climb the mountain again. Being neither here or there is more detrimental.
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Geez Mick Malthouse deep down can't be happy about being pushed out of a job.
He hasn't won them a flag, but he gives them every possible chance each season by getting them into the finals.
The Pies are looking quite good at the moment, and although I don't rate the list up there with the Dogs, Saints, Cats and even the Hawks, he gets every player giving 100%.
Great, finally someone else sees it, that is why I wanted Malthouse to come and coach at the RFC (not that I am displeased with Hardwick). Malthouse has a team, he coaches a team, not individuals. He has the players playing for the team not themselves and if they don't then he doesn't play them. There are no champions in his side and there has only ever been one... Buckly. One game in particular sticks in my mind, last year I think they came over to WA very very undermaned, most of their front line players were out. They played against a full strength Eagles or Dorkers side and they won. They played for each other and I could not believe the way they went about it.
I don't rate the list either but the team is great.
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Geez Mick Malthouse deep down can't be happy about being pushed out of a job.
He hasn't won them a flag, but he gives them every possible chance each season by getting them into the finals.
The Pies are looking quite good at the moment, and although I don't rate the list up there with the Dogs, Saints, Cats and even the Hawks, he gets every player giving 100%.
He's not out of a job yet and if he wins them a flag, Buckley or no Buckley, he will be almost impossible to displace.