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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on December 01, 2004, 12:46:33 AM
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Casey's Ticket: Clinton Casey (president), Greg Miller, Maurice O'Shannassy, Garry Cameron, Don Lord, Gary March, John Matthies, Anthony Mithin, Rob Dalton.
Macek's ticket: Charles Macek (president), Brendan Schwab, Trevor Barrot, Robert Edgley, Sharon Hall, Michael Humphris, Colin Radford, Peter Welsh, Bryan Wood.
Well if we didn't know already which Caro supported we do now!
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Tigers in financial turmoil
By Caroline Wilson and Dan Oakes
The Age
December 1, 2004
A damning financial picture of Richmond that raised doubts about the club's ability to continue trading as a "going concern" emerged last night with the release of the Tigers' 2004 annual report.
Raising serious doubts about the solvency of the club, the report said: "The company currently has a deficiency in net assets and current assets in comparison to it current liabilities."
The report, released as football director Greg Miller offered to join the ticket of embattled president Clinton Casey, said the Tigers, who announced a loss of $2.19 million last week, had already raised with the AFL the possibility of a financial lifeline worth $1.5 million.
"The Richmond Football Club Limited is economically dependent on the ongoing financial assistance of the Australian Football League," the report said. "This ongoing assistance provided by the AFL is in the form of a redirection order of up to $4.27 million to the ANZ Bank as security for the current borrowing facilities. The redirection order provided is not an advance of funds, however is an acknowledgement to our financiers that the annual distributions will be received in the ordinary course of operations. . . A guarantee has also been provided by the AFL to the ANZ Bank of up to $1.1 million for future distributions from the AFL in relation to the sale of Waverley Park . . ."
The report said the Tigers had also approached the AFL to receive income from the competitive balance fund if needed, a move that would put it amongst other financially struggling clubs the Kangaroos, the Western Bulldogs and Melbourne.
"The AFL has also agreed that it could provide access to the competitive balance fund upon receiving an application from the club. The club could access up to $1.5 million per annum," the report said, adding that the directors were confident "there will be no necessity to access the competitive balance fund".
Miller said he had made the decision to stand for the board yesterday.
"It was a long, thoroughly thought-through decision," he said. "I approached Clinton and his ticket because I just felt we had the momentum going and I didn't want to see it stop."
He has run the decision past coach Terry Wallace and CEO Steven Wright. Both have given their blessing and Miller said he would continue to serve as the club's football operations manager and saw no conflict.
Maurice O'Shannassy, a managing director of the Merrill Lynch investment management firm, will also stand on Miller's ticket at next months election.
Alternative president Charles Macek also released his alternative ticket in a glossy 10-page booklet outlining its plans for the resurrection of the troubled club.
The manifesto released by Macek's "Big 4" team, named for the Tigers' status as one of Melbourne's four biggest clubs, is accompanied by statements of support from a number of club legends, including five-time Richmond premiership player Francis Bourke.
"The record of the past five years speaks for itself," Bourke said in a statement.
"No one can claim we are better off than we were five years ago. That's why I am supporting change and the Tigers' 'Big 4' team."
Other former Tigers throwing their weight behind Macek's nine-man ticket include idiot Clay, Jim Jess, Emmett Dunne, Brendon Gale, Paul Broderick, Ron Branton and Paul Wright, son of Roy.
Brendan Schwab, vice-presidential candidate for the Macek faction, said that he was unaware of Miller's candidacy, but that if it was true it was symptomatic of the instability surrounding Miller's reign. "Our plans are for Greg Miller as a professional employee to head the football department of the Richmond Football Club and for us, through astute financial management, to greatly enhance his ability to carry out his job," Schwab said.
"We understand that Greg is deeply committed to turning Richmond into a success on the field and that's where his true abilities lie.
"We would be extremely surprised if Greg was to nominate as a candidate for the board, because that would require him to immediately resign his position . . . and would suggest that he has a political agenda which he takes more seriously than his professional challenge to turn the club into an on-field success."
Casey had wanted to recruit a former player to bolster his team for what promises to be a bloody fight, but was unable to secure the backing of a club legend. A disastrous attempt, instigated by Miller, to bring Rex Hunt on board last month was scotched when it became apparent that Hunt, to his own astonishment, was not a member.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/11/30/1101577485386.html?oneclick=true
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Greg Miller , i thought you were better than that...
pee poor judgement...
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Miller believes strongly stability is the key to success and that we are finally on the right path. Although I hoped he wouldn't get involved because the last thing we need now is to lose him, I'm not surprised he's running against the alternative.
As for Schwab saying he would force Miller to resign. Well if the members vote for him Brendan who the hell are you to dictate who should or shouldn't be on the board. But you know what's best for the club better than anyone else including Greg Miller don't you Brendan ::). What an ego! You're the one who has the political agenda >:(.
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well let the games begin as they say....
miller joining casey's ticket really wasnt that unexpected, there have been whispers for a month or so, have to agree it seems to be poor judgement on greg's behalf...
if the football department werent involved they are now, especially if its true that wallace and wright gave their blessing of miller joining the casey ticket...
isnt it amazing how the club is basically treading water and we have this stoush going on, would have thought the main priority here by all these people should be to all work together for the betterment of the club and set it right....
this is a complete farce and i believe will only get worse in the coming weeks...
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Big guns fire at Punt Rd
The Australian
December 01, 2004
THE two groups at war for control of Richmond Football Club wheeled out their heavy artillery yesterday.
The challenger drew first blood, with the Charles Macek team boasting the backing of several of the club's most revered names, including Francis Bourke, idiot Clay and Jim Jess.
The incumbent administration, led by Clinton Casey, countered with a stunning move from left field: the decision of the club's director of football Greg Miller to contest the election.
Miller has put his job at risk, admitting to the Herald Sun last night failure either to win a seat, or winning a seat on a board dominated by Macek candidates, probably would see him depart Punt Rd.
Miller, who started the overhaul of Richmond's football department two years ago, and prominent financier Maurice O'Shannassy fill the two vacancies on Casey's ticket.
Miller is responsible for the club's $9.84 million football division. He lured Terry Wallace to Richmond as coach five months ago.
O'Shannassy is managing director of Merrill Lynch Investment Managers Australia.
The Macek group and its high-profile supporters continue to say it's time for change after yet another dismal season; Miller, speaking for the Casey group, says momentum built in recent months must be maintained.
I thought long and hard before I asked the Casey ticket if I could join them," Miller said.
"Some may say, 'Stay out of it', but if I am honest, I cannot sit on the fence. Too many good things are under way to start again."
Up to 30 people are expected to contest the nine positions at the election later this month, with as many as 12 independents likely to stand.
Miller pleaded yesterday for time for the club to consolidate.
"It disappoints me to see past players, past champions, past directors of the club take sides without really knowing where their club is up to," he said.
"It disappoints me that this election is being run on egos and personal agendas. Enshrine the past, yes, but it's the future that supporters await with anticipation and hope."
Miller, a former North Melbourne chief executive, said the Tigers were poised to replicate North's youth-inspired resurgence during the late 1980s-early '90s.
"We've got 13 really good kids, probably 15 of them.
"We had (draft) choices starting at 21 last year, and we picked up kids who are going to play 100 games for us.
"This year, we've had all the early choices. I watched the players train at Box Hill (on) Monday morning. To see (Richard) Tambling versus (Brett) Deledio, and the competition that exists already, was great. To see (Wayne) Campbell and (Kane) Johnson looking across and thinking, 'Wow, what have we got here' - It was really exciting.
"This is a group as exciting as what the Kangaroos were in the late '80s and early '90s. No doubt."
Miller said he canvassed his decision with Casey, Wallace and new chief executive Steven Wright.
"I just believe we have achieved so much behind the scenes. I don't want that momentum to change with a change of board.
"When I got the job, the first thing I said to the members was, 'Have patience, this is going to take 3-4 years to turn this club around'."
He said he understood the personal risks involved in contesting the election.
He promised to heed the message from the members if he failed to win a seat.
"If the majority don't believe I'm right, then that's fair enough, I'll bow out. I'm out. Obviously."
As for sitting on a board dominated by the Macek group, he said: "I don't know how I would react to working with a new board.
"Obviously, we'll see what the make-up of the board is like and see if there's a prospect of unity. I'll face that challenge when it comes up." He wouldn't speculate on what election defeat would mean for Wallace.
"The issue of football acumen on the board is raised from time to time; I think I can add to that, significantly."
In addition to his administrative experience, Miller played 52 games for South Melbourne.
"I really think it's important the members vote for a unified board, whichever way they choose," Miller said. "We've got 18,000 members who can vote; I want them all to have a say."
Miller said he had taken advice from mentors including former St Kilda and Richmond champion and South Melbourne coach Ian Stewart, and player manager and former North Melbourne general manager Ron Joseph.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11551690%255E23211,00.html
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To my mind, Miller - despite who he supports deeps down - is the new GR.
He is as cunning as GR, I would not want to cross him - and he seems to have a fire in his belly that he wants to be the person (along with Wallace) to turn this club around.
I liked Wallace's decision to come to the club - he wanted to be the person who unleashed the sleeping giant in the RFC.
I think Miller wants to do the same.
I hope he's elected - he has my vote.
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God, this is a no-brainer.
Miller staying or Miller going - versus Bryan (who does he support?) Wood lol
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It's been obvious for a long time that Miller and Wallace were in favour of Casey, what concerns me is if Casey's ticket looses or doesn't get the numbers up on the board, How is this going to effect Wallace as coach in regards to him operateing with a new board that basically will know that Wallace wasn't supporting them.
One point that Miller makes in the article which is of paramount importance is that when we vote we need to vote for a ticket, no matter which side wins you need to vote for the WHOLE TICKET to ensure a victory. Don't vote bit and piece because that will spell further disaster, we will have a board that is divided and people will be resigning because they cant work with the others or they don't have the numbers. If you want Casey then vote the whole ticket, If you want Macek then vote the whole ticket. That way it's clean and will put an end to the whole drama.
In my mind I don't hold this action of Miller joining the ticket with Casey against him, as far as i'm concerned he has a right just as much as anybody else to form an opinion and to back the group which he in his own mind feels comfortable and confident with just like the rest of us, this of course will not be a universal opinion and the knives from a few quarters will definetly come out after him.
Once again don't vote bit and piece, pick the person you want at the top and make sure you vote enough of his supporters to have the numbers in the end other wise we will have a complete disaster.
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I'm not really up with all this and frankly it bores me. I am concerned about the amount of money the club has lost over the years and for this, as President, Clinton Casey must be held accountable. However, I think that Greg Miller and Terry Wallace are the best things to have happened to the club. If Brendan Schwabb gets in, he'd have rocks in his head to get rid of Miller.
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If Casey loses. Miller will no longer be at Richmond.
Bryan Wood will take over his role.
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Miller is a paid employee of the club , he should not be getting involved in politics and
allowing himself being used as a blackmail tool...
Miller gave his word to Wallace that whoever won he would stick around now he is clearly
breaking this..
Plus theres a thing called conflict of interest..
Schwab would be well within his rights to give miller the stuff if he won the election and
Miller also won a place on the board...
Its just sad that it has come to this , yet i bet people will somehow find a way to blame it all on the
alternative..
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Its just sad that it has come to this , yet i bet people will somehow find a way to blame it all on the
alternative..
Pick me, pick me. :rollin
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Oh , you were the first person who popped into my head ;)
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Hey Harry. What if Miller already knows he will get the stuff if the alternative wins ?
I say have a go Greg Miller, stand up and fight
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Bryan Wood as very little creditability. was at Essendon for years and then the alternative bag Casey as he brother is an Essendonian ::)
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Does anyone really think the alternative would get rid of Miller if they got in?
They are not that stupid..
Plus they have made statements that seem to indicate this would not happen..
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Yes, but would Miller stay? After hearing him this morning, I wouldn't be too sure that he would.
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Possibly not , but why?
Would it be a simple case of not thinking the alternative are up to it??
Theres no reason why he couldn't at least stay a year with them and after that time if he felt he could
not work under them then leave...
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Does anyone really think the alternative would get rid of Miller if they got in?
They are not that stupid..
Plus they have made statements that seem to indicate this would not happen..
After hearing both Greg Miller & Charles Macek on Sport927 this moring then my answer to your questions HarryB are:
Yes and yes in that order ;D
As I posted somewhere else I will attempt to post the links to the interviews as soon as the are available because there were 2 things said by Charles that were deeply concerning. And I will be interested in people's views
1/ He referred to the independant election officers (in this case from the offices of our Auditors PWC) as not being independant :o
2/ He was also complaining that the CLub would not allow his ticket to send out their brochure to members. The constitution is very specific and it allows for each nominee to send 1 A4 sized flyer each - if their brochure is in breach of this then his complaints are misleading aren't they?
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Possibly not , but why?
Would it be a simple case of not thinking the alternative are up to it??
Theres no reason why he couldn't at least stay a year with them and after that time if he felt he could
not work under them then leave...
In his interview HarryB, Greg Miller made reference to some information/rumours (which I have heard myself) that have been made about him regarding his links to Casey - which he strongly denied. It would make it hard for him to work with the alternatives.
Charles was asked about it and he said he couldn't comment because he wasn't aware of it - didn't say it wasn't true just he didn't know
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Does anyone really think the alternative would get rid of Miller if they got in?
They are not that stupid..
Plus they have made statements that seem to indicate this would not happen..
After hearing both Greg Miller & Charles Macek on Sport927 this moring then my answer to your questions HarryB are:
Yes and yes in that order ;D
As I posted somewhere else I will attempt to post the links to the interviews as soon as the are available because there were 2 things said by Charles that were deeply concerning. And I will be interested in people's views
hmm well it will be interesting too see what he said , though i wonder if their desire to possibly give greg the stuff is pre or after greg nominating for the board...
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Here's the Sport927 link for this morning interviews
http://www.sport927.com.au/gateway/Daily_Audio/daily.asp
Just click on Greg Miller Audio for Miller
and Charles Macek for Macek
:cheers
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My opinion is that members will mix and match. I get the feeling we may end up with a totally split board. My view is that Clinton Casey may not get elected to the board, I also have a similar feeling about Brendon Schwab, Infact my thinking is that RFC members will probably punish any person who has previously been on the board in any capacity at any time over the last 10 years.
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Possibly not , but why?
Would it be a simple case of not thinking the alternative are up to it??
Thinking they’re not up to it? He wouldn’t be thinking that, he would know they’re not up to it.
Greg Miller is trying to change the whole culture of this footy Club. The Alternative group is going about this in the very way that he is trying to change.
This ticket has grown legs because of influential coterie groups encouraging them to form this ticket.
Now it’s these influential supporter groups that have helped cause a whole lot of the mess we’ve been in for a lot longer than since Casey has been at this Club. Problems that have been caused because previous administrations were too ready willing and able to cave in to the wishes of these influential supporter groups (read sack the coach) time and again.
This ticket is doing exactly what we’re trying to get away from, but instead, they are listening to the demands of these groups. They are not doing this in the interests of all Richmond members, but the same select few who always seem to have more of a say than the resut of us.
If anyone thinks that Miller could work with such a backward thinking and spineless lot, and continue to get this Club moving in the direction we seem to be heading in now then you best think again. I don’t think so.
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Well whatever faults the alternative may have in make up and execution are
more than made up by Casey and now Miller
Bottom line he is a paid employee should keep out of it...
When Steve Wright came he gave a directive to all employees to stay out of the political stuff
so Greg has clearly broken this.
Whatever you think of the alternative it is clearly miller and casey who have made things messier than they needed to be...
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My opinion is that members will mix and match. I get the feeling we may end up with a totally split board. My view is that Clinton Casey may not get elected to the board, I also have a similar feeling about Brendon Schwab, Infact my thinking is that RFC members will probably punish any person who has previously been on the board in any capacity at any time over the last 10 years.
You are probably right , has anyone heard any rumours about what independants may be running???
I just want all this over one way or the other
i have had enough of this crap...
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Whatever you think of the alternative it is clearly miller and casey who have made things messier than they needed to be...
With due respect to you Harry, C-R-A-P!
It wasn't Clinton and Miller who have held this club to ransom for the last six months threatening EGMs and asking for the whole board to stand down when it wasn't warranted. Listening to Welsh last night, it is clear he really only has a problem with the Casey "dictatorial" style. There was absolutely no need whatsoever for the total board to go, and there was absolutely no need to have ex-players now coming in and causing a divide down the middle of this club - which i really hope is not longlasting.
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Warranted? given our position on and off the field some would beg to differ..
And the point is an EGM didn't eventuate and we have reached what
i think is a fair compromise , ie a full board election where we get to
decide who runs the club.
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Other clubs have finished last before and made big losses - i don't remember the last time a whole board was kicked out.
Yep, totally unwarranted IMO
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fair enough we will have to agree to disagree...
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fair enough we will have to agree to disagree
No, i disagree we have to agree :rollin
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Well whatever faults the alternative may have in make up and execution are
more than made up by Casey and now Miller
Neither side is perfect, but I can live with the mistakes of Casey and Miller because they at least show they are doing something to get this Club back on track.
Unlike the Alternative ticket who don’t seem to have any idea of what the REAL problems are and that any cultural problems need fixing. So oblivious to it are they that they are running their campaign in the same way we got ourselves in this mess in the first place.
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This for me is the absolute worst outcome for the RFC.
I could have lived with the members voting Clinton Casey back in, but not now.
Greg Miller does not have the club's best interests at heart. This decision shows that Greg Miller has Clinton Casey and his own best interests at heart. There is a juice bar at stake here. Mark Brayshaw works for Casey today, and I'll bet my membership that so will Greg Miller the day he leaves the RFC.
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Greg Miller does not have the club's best interests at heart. This decision shows that Greg Miller has Clinton Casey and his own best interests at heart. There is a juice bar at stake here.
Interesting you bring this up 1980, this is one of the things that Miller spoke about this morining (refer to the link I posted regarding Sport927) he said that he a number of rumours and innuendo had got back to him regarding things being financed by Casey - Miller categorically denied this.
As for the juice bar - no Casey involvement :thumbsup
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Possibly not , but why?
Would it be a simple case of not thinking the alternative are up to it??
Thinking they’re not up to it? He wouldn’t be thinking that, he would know they’re not up to it.
Greg Miller is trying to change the whole culture of this footy Club. The Alternative group is going about this in the very way that he is trying to change.
This ticket has grown legs because of influential coterie groups encouraging them to form this ticket.
Now it’s these influential supporter groups that have helped cause a whole lot of the mess we’ve been in for a lot longer than since Casey has been at this Club. Problems that have been caused because previous administrations were too ready willing and able to cave in to the wishes of these influential supporter groups (read sack the coach) time and again.
This ticket is doing exactly what we’re trying to get away from, but instead, they are listening to the demands of these groups. They are not doing this in the interests of all Richmond members, but the same select few who always seem to have more of a say than the resut of us.
If anyone thinks that Miller could work with such a backward thinking and spineless lot, and continue to get this Club moving in the direction we seem to be heading in now then you best think again. I don’t think so.
You're not Greg Miller are you TS ;D
Summed it up perfectly :thumbsup. Until we get rid of this minority group rules RFC culture then forever we will remain in mediocrity.
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I don't know what to think anymore. It's all becoming a bit of a :sleep.
It seems like its our destiny to fail. Whenever there is a glimpse of sunshine, the dark black clouds come along and ruin everything. maybe it's not meant to be.
Might aswell give the Hawks back Tambling.
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It seems like its our destiny to fail. Whenever there is a glimpse of sunshine, the dark black clouds come along and ruin everything. maybe it's not meant to be.
Might aswell give the Hawks back Tambling.
Was thinking the same thing myself Harry. We virtually had a month og good news and now :'(
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I don't know what to think anymore. It's all becoming a bit of a :sleep.
It seems like its our destiny to fail. Whenever there is a glimpse of sunshine, the dark black clouds come along and ruin everything. maybe it's not meant to be.
Might aswell give the Hawks back Tambling.
Chin up Harry :)
The price of freedom is:
Constant alertness and a constant willingness to fight back, there is no other price.
Get as many people to vote as you can, the more people that vote the better decision we will get.
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Chin up Harry :)
The price of freedom is:
Constant alertness and a constant willingness to fight back, there is no other price.
Get as many people to vote as you can, the more people that vote the better decision we will get.
Well said RR.
The Club belongs to all of us not just the select few and by a large number of members voting we will show this.
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Get as many people to vote as you can, the more people that vote the better decision we will get.
The problem with this is the phone and email has been running hot today as my Tiger mates & I discuss this election and I am getting even less work than usual done today :-[ :-\
:rollin
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Miller gone if Casey loses Tiger control
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
December 2, 2004
Although Greg Miller had not quite spelt out the fact to Terry Wallace before taking his extraordinary stand two days ago, the fact is that he will leave Tigerland should Clinton Casey lose the increasingly dirty battle for control of the Richmond Football Club.
Miller has agreed that his position in the football department would prove untenable under a Charles Macek-led board. The truth is that whatever the result, key positions at the football club would prove untenable either way.
Chief executive Steven Wright's position, for a start, seems impossible to contemplate. How on earth could he over-rule Miller on player contracts and football department budgets, let alone negotiate Miller's salary when Miller is serving on the Richmond board? Already Wright's authority has been undermined given that he instructed Miller to stay out of the board battle.
Wallace, for his part, addressed his new team yesterday and instructed the players to stay away from politics and concentrate on football. Hopefully his edict will prove more successful than Wright's. So torn is the football club that Wallace can only hope the December 22 election will decide a clear winner.
Either way, the coach, who will tonight welcome 50 former players to the club to begin a footballer-mentoring program, will not be attending the annual meeting. Although the move was not deliberate - a family holiday had been booked and could not be changed - this is probably not such a bad thing.
Potential power issues also loom for Paul Armstrong, the club's new football operations manager, whom, we were led to believe, would be taking care of player contracts and administrative football issues while Miller was to run the recruiting department in the Wallace game plan.
Armstrong is a long-time lieutenant of Wallace and clearly Wallace has enjoyed Armstrong's organisational style in the past. But surely Armstrong would be compromised with Miller as football director. In the words of Gerard Healy on 3AW last night, Miller now looms as a Graeme Richmond-style powerbroker at a football club he joined only two years ago.
Miller says it was his decision to run for the board, a decision that has staggered Miller fans and astute industry observers. His timing was impeccable in that it grabbed the headlines away from the release of Macek's election material, endorsed as it was by eight former players including Francis Bourke and idiot Clay. Not to mention the financially damning annual report, posted on the club's website on Tuesday.
There is no reason not to believe him despite the fact Casey has struggled to recruit a high-profile former player to join his ticket. Miller offered his services to the board back in March and did the same at the Kangaroos.
The question no one can answer, however, is why Miller believes that only Casey can continue the momentum both men claim has begun in recent months. Nor can Miller say why the club could not succeed under Macek, who recently returned from overseas but has now hit the campaign trail.
The only valid criticism of the opposing ticket is that four potential directors have been there before, albeit none as president. Miller said he had been distressed by the nasty tactics employed by the Macek ticket.
The Macek ticket, though, would say the tactics have been dirty in their direction, also.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/01/1101577552924.html
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Miller gone if Casey loses Tiger control
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
December 2, 2004
Although Greg Miller had not quite spelt out the fact to Terry Wallace before taking his extraordinary stand two days ago, the fact is that he will leave Tigerland should Clinton Casey lose the increasingly dirty battle for control of the Richmond Football Club.
Miller has agreed that his position in the football department would prove untenable under a Charles Macek-led board. The truth is that whatever the result, key positions at the football club would prove untenable either way.
Chief executive Steven Wright's position, for a start, seems impossible to contemplate. How on earth could he over-rule Miller on player contracts and football department budgets, let alone negotiate Miller's salary when Miller is serving on the Richmond board? Already Wright's authority has been undermined given that he instructed Miller to stay out of the board battle.
Wallace, for his part, addressed his new team yesterday and instructed the players to stay away from politics and concentrate on football. Hopefully his edict will prove more successful than Wright's. So torn is the football club that Wallace can only hope the December 22 election will decide a clear winner.
Either way, the coach, who will tonight welcome 50 former players to the club to begin a footballer-mentoring program, will not be attending the annual meeting. Although the move was not deliberate - a family holiday had been booked and could not be changed - this is probably not such a bad thing.
Potential power issues also loom for Paul Armstrong, the club's new football operations manager, whom, we were led to believe, would be taking care of player contracts and administrative football issues while Miller was to run the recruiting department in the Wallace game plan.
Armstrong is a long-time lieutenant of Wallace and clearly Wallace has enjoyed Armstrong's organisational style in the past. But surely Armstrong would be compromised with Miller as football director. In the words of Gerard Healy on 3AW last night, Miller now looms as a Graeme Richmond-style powerbroker at a football club he joined only two years ago.
Miller says it was his decision to run for the board, a decision that has staggered Miller fans and astute industry observers. His timing was impeccable in that it grabbed the headlines away from the release of Macek's election material, endorsed as it was by eight former players including Francis Bourke and idiot Clay. Not to mention the financially damning annual report, posted on the club's website on Tuesday.
There is no reason not to believe him despite the fact Casey has struggled to recruit a high-profile former player to join his ticket. Miller offered his services to the board back in March and did the same at the Kangaroos.
The question no one can answer, however, is why Miller believes that only Casey can continue the momentum both men claim has begun in recent months. Nor can Miller say why the club could not succeed under Macek, who recently returned from overseas but has now hit the campaign trail.
The only valid criticism of the opposing ticket is that four potential directors have been there before, albeit none as president. Miller said he had been distressed by the nasty tactics employed by the Macek ticket.
The Macek ticket, though, would say the tactics have been dirty in their direction, also.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/01/1101577552924.html
What a hatchet job this article is, full of doom gloom and chaos that isn't even real in actuality.
Wallace did know what Miller was doing.
Miller has out lined his reasons for not wanting to stay if the alternatives get up (and believe me they are valid)
It was a personal integrity call by Miller to stand for the board so I can't see how Wright can actually stand in the way of that nor would he want to.
The situation in the club right now is actually very stable, all the so called instability is actually being created from exterior sources, the guys inside the club Know exactly what they are doing.
There is no way Armstrong is compromised by Greg Miller this is absolute horsepoo.
Mrs Wilson here is the only one that is confused.
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Well said RR. More negativity from Caro and the alternative :banghead
Already Wright's authority has been undermined given that he instructed Miller to stay out of the board battle.
He has the blessing of Wright and Wallace ::)
Miller now looms as a Graeme Richmond-style powerbroker at a football club
Is that a compliment Caro!
The question no one can answer, however, is why Miller believes that only Casey can continue the momentum both men claim has begun in recent months. Nor can Miller say why the club could not succeed under Macek, who recently returned from overseas but has now hit the campaign trail.
The only valid criticism of the opposing ticket is that four potential directors have been there before, albeit none as president. Miller said he had been distressed by the nasty tactics employed by the Macek ticket.
I believe you'll find the answer on OER Caro. He believes strongly in stability and the direction we are now heading and considers the actions of the alternative over the past 6 or so months to symbolize what has been wrong at Richmond over all these years.
Better still why don't you ask him yourself Caro instead of hearing things second hand from the alternative ::)
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Gotta agree wholeheartedly with you MT.
Been looking at this from all angles, and the alternative seem on a witch hunt, bearing no new material.
I think Wallace and Wright giving the green light to Miller, coupled with Miller offering to run for the board back in March (yes many forget this) and the AFL endorsement of our strategic plan, written by an encouraging CEO Steven Wright, will win many, many, many votes.
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Better still why don't you ask him yourself Caro instead of hearing things second hand from the alternative ::)
Unfortunately for Caro - I don't think he will talk to her because of her allegiances ;)
As I said I don't think Caro has much credibility on this topic anymore. I understand it's a tough gig when it comes to writing about the football club you support and in her case grew up around but the job is to be balanced in your approach to subject - she hasn't been since Schwab resigned from the board.
What a hatchet job this article is, full of doom gloom and chaos that isn't even real in actuality.
Wallace did know what Miller was doing.
Miller has out lined his reasons for not wanting to stay if the alternatives get up (and believe me they are valid)
It was a personal integrity call by Miller to stand for the board so I can't see how Wright can actually stand in the way of that nor would he want to.
The situation in the club right now is actually very stable, all the so called instability is actually being created from exterior sources, the guys inside the club Know exactly what they are doing.
There is no way Armstrong is compromised by Greg Miller this is absolute Horsepooh.
Mrs Wilson here is the only one that is confused.
Well said Rodger.
I agree we have been very stable lately - it's a pity that some people don't seem to want it.
By Caroline Wilson
The Macek ticket, though, would say the tactics have been dirty in their direction, also.
What the...... :banghead :banghead give a few examples Caro - I would appreciate it because nothing the Casey ticket has said or done comes close to the childish and abusive triade from Peter Welsh the other night on SEN - in a word EMBARRASSING >:(
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by god
can the current admin do anything wrong in your eyes????
I don't see caros point about armstrong/miller but she is right about miller standing for the board
simply as a paid employee he should not get involved in it...
bottom line is people should vote based on who they think is best for the club , not because they are scared
voting one way will lead to an important employee leaving..
you can dress this up anyway you want but it is blatant scare tactics and is a disgrace
if another club employee of some note was to come out in open support of the alterantive
everyone here woud be slamming them and the alternative..
as crap as the alternative is the current group is little better if at all..
where screwed whatever choice we make me thinks....
no doubt i will get bagged but i really can't see how people have no problem
with what miller has done...
anyway it doesn't matter anymore because miller has pretty much ensured
that he and casey will win this election and i really hope the people who think
casey and co are turning the club around are right...i really do...
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by god
can the current admin do anything wrong in your eyes????
Yes Harryb - the people of who have been on the board for the Clubs financial year 2003/04 did do something wrong and personally I take it very seriously the fact we lost $2.19 million but please do not lose sight of the fact that 2 members of the alternative were part of the board that did this. Now they can continue to say they were not responsible or part of it but the fact remains that they were and my problem with these 2 has been and continues to be that they take no resposibility for it (old news).
However, the current board have have formulated a business plan that has the backing of the AFL, they have hired Steven Wright who not only has great credentials but is a Richmond person to boot. They have done something about the mess we find ourselves in and for that they get a tick from me.
I read Steven Wright's "10 point plan for the Club" and it looks good - it was positive and it was clear in its direction. I have concerns that if the alternative get this will stop because to me at least they are still yet to give me their plan - they said WHAT they want to do but have not told us HOW they intend to achieve it.
I don't see caros point about armstrong/miller but she is right about miller standing for the board
simply as a paid employee he should not get involved in it...
In a perfect world I'd agree with you Harryb - I said on Sunday (I think) that in desperate time people do desperate things. These are desperate times - Greg Miller obviously thinks so and he has acted.
bottom line is people should vote based on who they think is best for the club , not because they are scared
voting one way will lead to an important employee leaving..
This whole situation is like some sort of balancing act - where you have to look at everything from every different angle and try to come up with what is best for the Club. That's what I have been doing for months now and I will admit my views have not changed. But I have researched everything to the best of my ability and I have asked myself a number of questions and as result my head not my heart is leading me in this election.
no doubt i will get bagged but i really can't see how people have no problem
with what miller has done...
I don't think you should or will get bagged Harryb - your concerns are valid as I said in a perfect world.... but the truth is the Tiger world has not been perfect for a long long time - we fianlly may have chance to get closer to perfect than before and that's why this election is so important.
The last 3 months have been (IMO) the most positive the Club's been for ages - you can feel, see it and hear it. Speak to people who work at the Club you can hear it in their voices, see it in their actions. I don't want this lost and I am very afraid of being ripped away again - IMHO we deserve better.
anyway it doesn't matter anymore because miller has pretty much ensured
that he and casey will win this election and i really hope the people who think
casey and co are turning the club around are right...i really do...
If they don't HarryB - you can say I told you so and can bag me all you like because I'll deserve it :thumbsup
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hmmm well that was a little err emotional , i guess i am just frustrated as everyone else
about what is happening...
i just want it over and hopefully whatever happens the club can move forward...
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hmmm well that was a little err emotional , i guess i am just frustrated as everyone else
about what is happening...
i just want it over and hopefully whatever happens the club can move forward...
:thumbsup
:rollin :rollin :rollin
That's what you get for being a Tiger fan - emotions, emotions and more emotions all of 'em
:'( :banghead :rollin :lol :scream :sleep :help ::) :P :gobdrop :santa :birthday :cheers :shh :-\ :-[ 8)
And puke - we really need a "puke" face ;D
But like you i"ll be glad when it's all over and we can get back to talking and enjoying the footy :thumbsup
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Anger at Miller ticket
02 December 2004 Herald Sun
Jon Pierik
REBEL Richmond leader Charles Macek has described Greg Miller's decision to align himself with the club's administration as "appalling" and unprecedented.
Miller, the club's director of football, has sensationally joined president Clinton Casey's ticket ahead of the bloody December 22 elections, prompting conflict of interest accusations.
In 35 years of business, Macek, a respected financier and board member of Telstra and Wesfarmers, said he had never seen anything like it.
"I cannot, in all of my 35 years of working experience, remember a situation where knowingly someone would put themselves in a situation in that conflict," Macek said last night.
"There is nothing under law to prevent that, but the situation is it would be an appalling conflict, an appalling governance outcome.
"I couldn't think of anyone that would actually allow it."
As football director, Miller has to report to chief executive Steve Wright. But, if elected on to the board, Miller would have a say in, if necessary, sacking Wright.
Wright, in return, would find himself having to report to Miller in his board role.
If elected, Miller, who works closely with new coach Terry Wallace, would also have a vote in determining Wallace's fate, a position that has dumbfounded Macek and many of the club's supporters.
"Here you are on the board, but you are working at the club, with the coach," Macek said. "Clearly that's an important position and yet you are on a board that can sack the coach.
"Now, how does that work?"
Miller said last night he would walk if the Macek ticket won power.
But he was adamant he could juggle both positions professionally if the Casey regime hangs on.
"On a day-to-day basis, I'll be answering to him (Wright)," Miller told 3AW.
"I'll do the job that I need to do. I'll do the things that need to be done. That can work."
Miller said he was prompted to make his stunning move because he felt there was great optimism at Punt Rd.
He began an overhaul of the football department two years ago and feels there is much to look forward to now Wallace and a bunch of talented young recruits had signed.
"I am concerned about the methodology and style of the rebel group," Miller said.
"I don't like the way they are talking. It's the Richmond of the past. It's just all nastiness."
Macek said Miller would be a great loss. "I have a high regard for his football brain and, if it was up to me, I would like to see if his football brain could be harnessed for the betterment of the Richmond footy club," Macek said.
An independent electoral adviser yesterday rejected the information the Macek ticket had intended to send to club members, meaning the $30,000 in mailing costs will have to be paid by the rebel ticket, rather than the club.
Nominations for the election closed last night
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11563108%255E20322,00.html
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harry bosch, we all want RFC to succeed. If for one moment I thought that the Alternative group had the ability and capacity to turn our fortunes around, I would be on their side 100%. People here are not blinkered in their views. They see very clearly. We have looked at what both sides have to offer.
The current Board, in my eyes, has a clear direction. Not only that, they seem to have got to the heart of our deep seated problems and are doing something about them.
We realise they have done things wrong and stuffed up along the way, but if you can see they are clearly trying to do the right thing by the Club then you can live with that, I can anyway.
On the other hand, even if the Alternative ticket were a cross between a caterpillar and Jake the Peg, they still wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, as far as I’m concerned, because you can easily shoot everything they say down in flames.
They say they are about democracy – they originally came out and wanted to take over the Board.
They say they are about unity – they have all but divided the place into every direction possible, just when we look to have things moving in a clear and focused direction.
They say we have financial problems - We can all see that. We don’t them to tell us that. What they won’t tell us is how they are going to fix it. Meanwhile, the current Board has put together a business plan that has worked at other Clubs and, as WP said, has been approved by the AFL. Where does the Alternative’s argument stand up that we are in crisis when the current Board has done something positive about the situation they have concerns about?
They put together a ticket that has been encouraged and urged on by coterie group members. People in the background who have been making decisions for this Club for far too long. If this group listens to them now, how many decisions will these faceless people make, were they to get in (God forbid).
We want to get away from this way of running (or should that be ruining) our Club.
The only way they could have had the slightest bit of credibility, when they first came out, was to identify the real problems at this Club. They haven’t been able to do that because they don’t even know what they are.
Like others, I’ve looked at this from every possible angle. Never once have the Alternative group ever given the slightest indication that they could help RFC in any way shape or form.
What we have now is a real direction and focus. For the first time, people are genuinely excited. I was briefly at training yesterday. There were more people watching yesterday (1 December 2004) than I have seen at some training sessions during the football season. Supporters are genuinely excited about the future and the changes that have happened.
They aren’t the illusion that has been created in the past. Because, this time the foundations for success are based on more than just hope, because we have and are getting to the core of where the problems are and have been. So we can be genuinely excited about the future.
Greg Miller has identified the areas where things need changing. Casey has supported him all the way. Ask yourself, could he get the same level of support from the Alternative ticket, when clearly they are prone to listening to those in the background. Would they have held their nerve as the current Board has, in difficult situations? From what I can see, the efforts of Miller and Wallace could only be diminished under them.
Why stop the momentum created now? What has the Alternative group got to offer?
It seems to me that we are being given this opportunity, after years in the abyss, and asked if we want to continue the direction we have now, or risk it all and go back to where we were.
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Only fair we give Mike his chance ;D
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Miller's bid carries big risk
02 December 2004 Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
GREG Miller's commitment to the Clinton Casey administration is both bold and admirable.
It's also misguided and unnecessarily risky.
If Miller's principal concern is the welfare of the Richmond Football Club, as it should be, he was obliged to stay out of the political brawl.
As of yesterday, Miller formally joined the Casey ticket to contest the December 22 board election against the Charles Macek-led challengers, putting his tenure at risk.
Miller is a salaried employee of the football club, the director of football, probably the competition's most influential.
While it was Casey who lured him to Punt Rd two years ago, his fundamental obligation has to be to the club, the worst performer of the past 20 years.
His public alignment with the Casey group means it's now untenable for him to remain with the Tigers if Macek wins office.
That's a view both Miller and Macek accepted yesterday.
If Casey wins, it will have been a calculated gamble that paid off. Miller's stand might even decide the election; he is a mighty popular figure with members.
If the Macek group wins, even if Miller is successful at the poll, he will walk.
He will be lost to the club just when things are taking meaningful shape. Where, then, will coach Terry Wallace stand?
It was Miller, with Casey's backing, who lured Wallace to Tigerland, Miller who gave him a five-year commitment, Miller who oversaw the recruiting program that has created such excitement among the yellow and black fraternity.
Miller also drew Nathan Brown to the club 12 months ago. He is entitled to have a preference in the election, but he is a club official. His strength is in the field, not at the board table.
It is the right of the Richmond membership to determine who runs this football club. As a member, he has a vote. An estimated 18,000 fellow members will decide the next administration, as they should.
He should have allowed the democratic process to prevail. It was in Richmond's best interests.
After all, the challenge hardly is premature.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11563135%255E19742,00.html
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In 35 years of business, Macek, a respected financier and board member of Telstra and Wesfarmers, said he had never seen anything like it.
I have a question and I'd be interested in others views. :help
As stated above Charles Macek is on the Telstra board.... so...
I was watching Sky news last night and they were talking about Telstra Board meeting yesterday.
As you probably know The Telstra Board yesterday sacked the CEO - Ziggy Someone who's surname I cannot even pronounce let alone spell.
The news reports stated that since Ziggy has been running Telstra the share price has fallen from its issue price of $7 something to $4.61 (or close to that) - they said that was one of Ziggy's biggest shortcomings - in other words Ziggy as CEO is responsible. Fair enough too.
However my question is this why are the being held responsible for Ziggy's shortcomings like the Tiger board are for in this elction campaign?
Now I know Telstra is massive public company and the board would argue that they have sacked the CEO (given him $2 million payout too) so they have done something but cannot the same argument be used at the RFC? Underperforming CEO (the bloke who runs the business) sacked by board and the business being re-structured?
Thoughts?
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I'm so over this
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fair comment WP
The main two reasons behind our debt are Ian Campbell and the one before him (i have had a mental balnk)
Sure they were appointed by the board, but they are still well respected people who most clubs would have considered.
I dont agree with Miller running for the board, maybe it might save Casey. I hope that it does, i will be voting for their ticket.
The one thing that is disappointing is that Miller states he is their for the members, if he truly believes that then he should not put his position in danger.
Sure there are others who can do his job, but i dont believe they can do it as good as him.
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I dont agree with Miller running for the board, maybe it might save Casey. I hope that it does, i will be voting for their ticket.
The one thing that is disappointing is that Miller states he is their for the members, if he truly believes that then he should not put his position in danger.
Clearly, Miller doesn’t want the momentum of what has been started to suddenly come to a screeching halt. If he believes in what he is doing so much, that he’s prepared to risk all then he must have good reason to make such a clear cut choice between one side over the other? What makes him think they couldn’t do the same job as the current Board?
If he has been able to identify what’s wrong with this Club, has an eye for these things and has seen something in the other group that he doesn’t believe in, then he wouldn’t be going with Casey for no good reason, you would think.
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I dont agree with Miller running for the board, maybe it might save Casey. I hope that it does, i will be voting for their ticket.
The one thing that is disappointing is that Miller states he is their for the members, if he truly believes that then he should not put his position in danger.
Clearly, Miller doesn’t want the momentum of what has been started to suddenly come to a screeching halt. If he believes in what he is doing so much, that he’s prepared to risk all then he must have good reason to make such a clear cut choice between one side over the other? What makes him think they couldn’t do the same job as the current Board?
If he has been able to identify what’s wrong with this Club, has an eye for these things and has seen something in the other group that he doesn’t believe in, then he wouldn’t be going with Casey for no good reason, you would think.
This is so true, he will be inhibited by the Alternative ticket no end. The alternates will feel that they will have to impose themselves on the place in order to justify there election victory should they win thus jeopardising all the previous good work done in the last few months by unwarrented interferance and imput, I know exactly where Miller is comming from.
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http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=insidetheclub&spg=aroundtheclubdisplay&articleid=179489
RFC December 2004 Election of Directors
richmondfc.com.au
3:45:56 PM Thu 2 December, 2004
The election of the directors of the Richmond Football Club will be held ahead of the Club’s Annual General Meeting on December 22, 2004.
Under the Constitution of the Club, PricewaterhouseCoopers, as the appointed auditor, is the Returning Officer and will be responsible for the overall conduct of the election. As with previous elections, the election process will be run in accordance with the Constitution and the Election By-Laws of the Richmond Football Club.
Nominations for Board positions closed at 8pm on Wednesday, December 1.
The following valid nominations have been received (in alphabetical order):
Trevor Barrot
Garry Cameron
Clinton Casey
Robert Dalton
Brian Dungey
Robert Edgley
Sharon Hall
Michael Humphris
Don Lord
Charles Macek
Gary March
John Matthies
Greg Miller
Anthony Mithen
Maurice O’Shannassy
Colin Radford
Justin Ridge
Brendan Schwab
Peter Welsh
Bryan Wood
Ballot papers will be posted out to all members eligible to vote early next week.
Members should note that all ballot papers must be received by the Returning Officer by 5pm on Friday, December 17 to be counted.
The results of the election will be confirmed at the RFC Annual General Meeting on December 22.
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Seems most of the independents have backed off if the rumour of there being potentially 35 candidates running was true. It's mostly down to a Casey's ticket vs Macek's ticket.
Does anyone know anything about the two independents off the top of their heads -Brian Dungey and Justin Ridge?
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However my question is this why are the being held responsible for Ziggy's shortcomings like the Tiger board are for in this elction campaign?
Did you mean "aren't being held responsible" WP?
Telstra is slightly different in the sense that one body - the Federal Government (in theory acting on our behalf) is the majority shareholder (51%). So the direction of the company in part comes back to the government who effectively appoints the TLS Board. The TLS Board will obey the major shareholder's (Government) agenda (gearing up for full privatisation). Don McGauchie, former National Farmers' president and staunch Howard supporter, becoming the new chairman on the Telstra board is part of that. The majority of us returned the government at the recent election (where the major issues had nothing to do with Telstra's performance) as our representatives in all this so the finger then gets pointed at the CEO Ziggy for the share price falling $3-$4.
Getting back to Richmond we have done the reversed. We've replaced our CEO and restructed the Club (company) before going to the polls. In any case to answer your question WP I'd guess the RFC is still back at the election stage compared to Telstra (Their AGM was held in late Oct around the time of the federal election) hence the RFC board is up for scrutiny now while Ian Campbell is long gone.
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by god
can the current admin do anything wrong in your eyes????
The annual report arrived in the mail today so all Tiger members would be now aware of the current admin's $3m losses in 2 years and have it fresh in their minds. No hiding away from that fact for Casey and co. The wooden spoon may be tempered by Spud being replaced by Wallace and all the new kids.
simply as a paid employee he should not get involved in it...
Can only agree with WP here and give the same answer. In theory agree with you HB but Miller believes these are desperate times b/w moving forward or returning to the past. Mike Sheahen says Miller shouldn't run because it's not in the RFC's best interests. I think it's safe to say Miller is thinking the opposite way. He obviously feels so strongly about our best interests that he's running to protect it.
you can dress this up anyway you want but it is blatant scare tactics and is a disgrace
Neither side can take the high moral ground in that area.
no doubt i will get bagged but i really can't see how people have no problem
with what miller has done...
anyway it doesn't matter anymore because miller has pretty much ensured
that he and casey will win this election and i really hope the people who think
casey and co are turning the club around are right...i really do...
No bagging from these quarters HB for expressing your concerns and opinions and as WP said valid ones at that :). Time will tell.
I'm willing to stick my neck out and support the recent changes and new direction. If I'm wrong then I'll cop it fair and square :cheers
It's hard to tell who'll "win". These forums combined would still be less than 1% of our total membership and are filled with pretty hardcore supporters. Who knows what the average mum and dad member is thinking at this stage. The newspapers and tv news have both positive and negative news about the Club. If they only read Caro's articles in The Age, God help them! :scream.
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by god
can the current admin do anything wrong in your eyes????
I don't see caros point about armstrong/miller but she is right about miller standing for the board
simply as a paid employee he should not get involved in it...
bottom line is people should vote based on who they think is best for the club , not because they are scared
voting one way will lead to an important employee leaving..
you can dress this up anyway you want but it is blatant scare tactics and is a disgrace
if another club employee of some note was to come out in open support of the alterantive
everyone here woud be slamming them and the alternative..
as crap as the alternative is the current group is little better if at all..
where screwed whatever choice we make me thinks....
no doubt i will get bagged but i really can't see how people have no problem
with what miller has done...
anyway it doesn't matter anymore because miller has pretty much ensured
that he and casey will win this election and i really hope the people who think
casey and co are turning the club around are right...i really do...
Good on you Harry. After this election, Greg Miller's power at the RFC will be unchallenged. And this has been his agenda all along. To be the next Graeme Richmond. And that's why he made no effort to contact Kevin Sheedy, hiding behind Spud the whole time.
I'm already sharpening my pencils for him.
Everyone can be a Miller disciple. I may have been. But his leap into the political circus, beautiful timed like a true politician I might also add, opens him up to criticism.
And saving all mine for him now that Spud's gone.
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However my question is this why are the being held responsible for Ziggy's shortcomings like the Tiger board are for in this elction campaign?
Did you mean "aren't being held responsible" WP?
yeah that's what I meant there should have been a n't or not in there. oops :P :lol
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Seems most of the independents have backed off if the rumour of there being potentially 35 candidates running was true. It's mostly down to a Casey's ticket vs Macek's ticket.
Does anyone know anything about the two independents off the top of their heads -Brian Dungey and Justin Ridge?
It does say valid nominations - perhaps a couple came in that didnn't have their "i's dotted and t's crossed"
I must say Jusitn Ridge rings a bell with me - I wonder if he nominated earlier this year for the January election?
We will know soon enough
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perhaps a couple came in that didnn't have their "i's dotted and t's crossed"
That's becoming a common theme with this election :-\
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20 board candidates in mix at Tigerland
5:44:14 PM Thu 2 December, 2004
Paul Gough
Sportal
Richmond faces the prospect of more board turmoil even after the club's upcoming election with Tiger members having to decide between a massive 20 candidates for the nine vacant positions on the club's board.
Nominations for the Richmond board have now closed with two independents - Brian Dungey and Justin Ridge - also deciding to stand for election along with the rival nine person tickets led by current president Clinton Casey and challenger Charles Macek.
The biggest surprise was the decision of football director Greg Miller to nominate for the board as part of Casey's ticket in a bid to ensure the Richmond president remains in power.
However under Richmond's constitution the ballot papers are not allowed to show which candidate is aligned to which ticket - which could result in candidates from both rival factions being elected to a new board.
This would create further instability at Punt Road at a time when the club is attempting to rectify its dismal on-field fortunes through the recruitment of Terry Wallace as coach and the snaring of some of Australia's best youngsters in the recent national draft - led by Brett Deledio and Richard Tambling.
Ballot papers will be sent to the 21,500 Richmond members entitled to vote next week and must be returned to the club by December 17 ahead of the club's annual general meeting on December 22.
The 20 candidates will be simply be listed in alphabetical order with Richmond members having to tick the boxes of the nine candidates they wish to elect the board - raising the possibility of a split board given the high profile of several candidates from the rival factions.
While Miller - the man responsible for securing Wallace as coach - is arguably the most popular current figure at Punt Road and is seen as a huge boost to Casey's chances of re-election - the rival ticket led by Macek also contains well-known former board member Brendan Schwab as well as popular past players Peter Welsh and Bryan Wood.
Already the campaign has divided Richmond's passionate supporter base with Casey arguing the club is back on track following the appointment of Wallace as coach and the securing of Deledio and Tambling.
This is why Miller has decided to risk his position as football director by aligning himself to Casey, arguing that a change of board now would halt the club's recent momentum.
However the Macek group remains adamant it is time for a change of administration at Punt Road after a year in which the club not only finished last on the ladder for the first time since 1989 but lost a massive $2.2 million to take the club's combined losses to $3 million in the past two years.
Macek was a former board member of the Tigers during Neville Crowe's time as president while Schwab and Welsh were formerly part of Casey's board before resigning and aligning themselves with Macek.
The worst case scenario for the Tigers would be a new board made up of candidates from both rival factions - which could result in a further public spat for control of the club and a further fight for the presidency particularly if both Casey and Macek were elected to the same board.
And if Macek's group gains control of the club - which it could do by winning just five of the nine positions available - it could make the position of Miller as football director untenable although he is considered a certainty to win a place on the board in his own right.
A clean sweep of all nine positions by either rival faction is considered unlikely given the popularity of certain individuals with Richmond members in both the Macek and Casey camps.
And former players who are not standing for election could well have an impact on the result with already several Tiger legends led by Francis Bourke, Jim Jess, idiot Clay and Brendon Gale having come out in support of Macek.
Below are the nominations for the Richmond board in alphabetical order with their ticket they belong to listed alongside.
Trevor Barrot - Macek.
Garry Cameron - Casey.
Clinton Casey.
Robert Dalton - Casey.
Brian Dungey - Independent.
Robert Edgley - Macek.
Sharon Hall - Macek.
Michael Humphris - Macek.
Don Lord - Casey.
Charles Macek.
Gary March - Casey.
John Matthies - Casey.
Greg Miller - Casey.
Anthony Mithen - Casey.
Maurice O'Shannassy - Casey.
Colin Radford - Macek.
Justin Ridge - Independent.
Brendan Schwab - Macek.
Peter Welsh - Macek.
Bryan Wood - Macek.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=179521
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Anyone see that disgraceful bit of crap from that idiot Pahloff?
In trying to discredit Casey, i think he is getting Casey some sympathy votes.
I won't post the link, cos i can't lol
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Cool it Tigers, says Rex Hunt
05 December 2004 Sunday Herald Sun
By Jon Ralph
DUAL Richmond premiership player Rex Hunt has pleaded for compromise between the warring Tiger factions, calling on both rival boards to swallow their pride for the good of the club.
Hunt, whose bid to become vice-president of Richmond was rejected on the grounds he was not a voting member, said the two parties should follow the lead of Hawthorn and at least attempt to find common ground.
Hunt this week received a 2005 membership application and tax invoice, which informed him he had been a member of the club since 2003.
Amazed, he sought clarification, but was told his membership had lapsed last year, which only heightened the sense of farce regarding his ineligibility.
"It was as if I was on laughing gas," he said.
"If (Richmond) are saying I was a member in 2003 they actually (enrolled me) because I just assumed by being a past player and Tommy Hafey club member that it would put me into a membership of the club.
"You can argue that a $110 membership has actually cost the Richmond footy club my services as vice-president."
Hunt yesterday said he would return to the club to counsel players and help with sponsorship, but not until the wounds of the current brawl had healed.
"I have no desire to sit on a board or be vice-president if I am going to be fighting with my own," he said.
"However, if Terry (Wallace) or Clinton (Casey) or Charles (Macek) or whoever gets in rings me and says, 'Listen we need to talk to sponsors' or Terry says, 'I need you to talk to a couple of kids' . . . or they want me to host a luncheon . . . if they asked me that I would be only too willing to go down to Punt Rd to act as a mouthpiece to do what I do."
Hunt said he still felt bitter the rival faction had de-railed his bid to join the board, but he was determined not to take sides in the coming election.
"If the opposition cared for the Richmond footy club they would not have burnt someone who was prepared to give a lot of his time and a substantial amount of money to the club he loves," Hunt said.
"I will not return to Punt Rd until the Tigers are a team again, from the smallest supporter to the star player, to the coach and president.
"I am really happy Hawthorn are talking. I would like to see the same thing at Richmond.
"Nothing would make me more happy than to see a non-election year at Richmond and a few people from each side eating a fair bit of humble, for the sake of the club."
Casey's team, which now includes football director Greg Miller, is facing off against an alternate board led by Charles Macek (president), Brendan Schwab (vice-president) and Bryan Wood.
The rebel team has lured past greats including Francis Bourke, Jim Jess and idiot Clay.
Hunt believes the tit-for-tat fighting has become about wielding power, even though both sides have pledged to restore Richmond as an AFL powerhouse.
"My thoughts are not that clear, because the agenda is the same on both sides and that is for the betterment of the club," Hunt said. "There is good and bad on both sides, positive and negative on both sides.
"It would be easy for me to throw mud because I said I would back Clinton, but I am not aligning m
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11593345%255E20322,00.html
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Hunt yesterday said he would return to the club to counsel players and help with sponsorship, but not until the wounds of the current brawl had healed.
"I have no desire to sit on a board or be vice-president if I am going to be fighting with my own," he said.
"However, if Terry (Wallace) or Clinton (Casey) or Charles (Macek) or whoever gets in rings me and says, 'Listen we need to talk to sponsors' or Terry says, 'I need you to talk to a couple of kids' . . . or they want me to host a luncheon . . . if they asked me that I would be only too willing to go down to Punt Rd to act as a mouthpiece to do what I do."
No doubt like you always do Rex - you will help the club anyway you can. :thumbsup
But like the rest of us I think Rex is just sick of this whole saga and can see the egos are out of control :banghead
"If the opposition cared for the Richmond footy club they would not have burnt someone who was prepared to give a lot of his time and a substantial amount of money to the club he loves," Hunt said.
Unfortunately yes they would Rex - it's about egos egos and more egos
"I will not return to Punt Rd until the Tigers are a team again, from the smallest supporter to the star player, to the coach and president.
A team again..........argh............ how sweet would that be :help :bow
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Well said Rex. Yep this election is about egos and weilding power :sleep as it's not about the future direction of the club because that's already been put into place over the past 3-4 months.
I'd guess the only thing I'm not in favour of is a compromise because that normally means at Richmond backroom wheeling and dealing while we as members are ignored. Despite being sick of all this tit-for-tat crap (and we still got another 10 days of it :P), I'm glad all members will have the final say in terms of a vote.
Election or no election sadly won't guarantee we will unite as a Club :'(.
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I have just spent the last 6 hours fighting with fellow ferals over this stupid election.
It was supposed to be a nice BBQ and it was thanks to a bit of substance abuse (not the only one Ox baby lol), but you got no idea how heated up ppl are and so divided.
I did a poll and it was about even both sides
But this whole election is just divisive and really, really these idiots should grow up and get together and sort out a compromise for the good of the club!
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Sighhhhhhh :P Politics Politics Poiltics thank god this will soon be over.
I Like Rexys style trying to stay out of it so hopefully whichever way it goes he will be able to step in.
The main word is UNITY This will only be acheived by voting 1 or the other, I think mix and matching will not work which is unfortunate.
There will be people on both "sides" who could probably work together BUT who ??? Not worth the risk in IMO
After all the recent positives I am really looking forward to seeing this chapter done - and we march of into the sunset as ONE :thumbsup :cheers
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Unity and Richmond. There'd be a first CUB. :'( :help
Ultimately, members will decide the make up of the Board. Whoever gets in, RFC will still exist. It’s just a matter of how members decide they want it to exist. And, despite my views, I’ll accept whatever members decide and hope people realise that our problems aren’t 5 or even 10 years old, but go back even further, and so will vote according to the long-term best interests of the Richmond Football Club and hopefully for those who can take us forward.
The concern I have, if the Alt. get in is that I don’t think Macek would stick around for long as Prez. He said back in June that he didn’t have the time to commit to the Club, but suddenly has now. Macek has been mostly silent throughout this campaign and it has only been in recent times that he has been heard of in public.
I still say that if they get in he won’t have the time to commit and will have to hand over to someone else. That has to be a concern. I don’t think their ticket could ultimately work, whoever was Prez. but I don’t see that they have anyone else who the majority would be confident in.
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This would all be over if Casey stepped down as president. There would be no election, there would be no alternative, there would be no internal fighting tearing up the club.
One man has put himself before the club. One man puts his ego before the RFC. The moment he steps down, its all over.
I'd be happy if the current board continues on its way. Minus one person. Clinton Casey! The man who has brought all this trouble to the club by stubbornly sticking to his position when he should resign his post. If not for his failures over 5 years, for the fact that the club is bleeding.
stuffn egomaniac.
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1980, you seriously believe that we have only had problems at this Club for the last 5 years?
No need to tell us about what has happend, we know, but just wanting to know what you thought of the time before that. Were you happy with those times?
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Add Schwab, Welsh and Wood to that list and I'd agree with you to some degree 1980
but let me tell you there is no way in hell I'd want those 3 names above back on the Richmond board.
and if this election is all about "Unity" then if I have to vote Casey then so be it.
but my pen will not come anywhere near those three boxes for those three buttheads named in the first line.
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1980, also, apart form the Alt. group, who says the club is bleeding? That’s not the picture that has been painted by the AFL. So I don’t understand all the drama and hype the Alt group is creating. It just seems like scare mongering people into thinking the Club is in worse situation that it actually is, just to get votes.
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Well well - I just heard on the 4.00pm news that Operation Recovery has withdrawn its nominations for the Hawthorn board.......
Thougth I'd post it - not that it would ever happen with us :help
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There's more chance of us winning the 2005 Premiership, I think WP.
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Yep the challengers at Hawthorn have given up. Too late for us though as the election and nominations have been all set.
The infighting at Richmond has been going on well before Casey, Miller, Schwab and Macek were on the scene. The names may change but the deep seated problem doesn't. Non-elected but influential supporter groups wielding their power over the whole Club by helping the group they support into power before a couple of years later turning on them and supporting a new group when the first lot obviously don't live up to their wishful thinking promises. Then later on this new group is forced out for another lot of challengers. This continues infinitum and all we are left to do as a Club is go around in circles for two decades. We have been crap for 20 years because we have egos and snipers within the Club who by their selfish, reckless and impatient actions undermine our Club. We are our own worst enemy :'(.
This is why I support Miller. He's trying to eliminate this cancerous culture which seemingly appears to be epidemic within our Club. Enough is enough! :banghead.
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Channel nine news tonight says one of the candidates Justin Ridge, if he got elected, would stand aside for Rex if he chose to come on board.
Rex not interested.
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Job guarantee fails to influence Miller
By Stephen Rielly
The Age
December 7, 2004
An attempt to neutralise Clinton Casey's strongest hope of retaining control of Richmond was short-lived yesterday, with football director and Casey candidate Greg Miller dismissing the offer of protection for his position in the event of election defeat.
Miller described the guarantee of his tenure as head of the Richmond football department, written and posted yesterday by the head of the challenging Big 4 ticket, Charles Macek, as electioneering that did not change his own view of his future if Casey and his team were ousted.
"I've made my future very clear. My future is certain. I know nothing about this letter but the election result will determine whether or not I'm still there," Miller said.
"I haven't seen the letter. I haven't spoken to or met Charles Macek and at this time of year, in these sorts of circumstances, I don't think it's unusual or unexpected for a little electioneering.
"I will say, though, that I was very disappointed to hear him say the other day that I had let Richmond down by agreeing to support Clinton. For me, this is all about Richmond."
Miller's credibility as an astute football mind became central to the looming Tiger election last week when he agreed to join the Richmond president's incumbent ticket.
Macek remained critical of Miller's decision to seek a position on the board and effectively politicise his football role, something he says he will contest if Miller wins a seat at the board table alongside the Big 4 group.
Macek said Miller ought to remain as football director no matter the outcome of the election. "We're giving him absolute certainty, an absolute assurance that we want him in the role of director of football," Macek said.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/06/1102182224314.html
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Miller given a 24-hour ultimatum
07 December 2004 Herald Sun
Jon Pierik
THE battle for Punt Rd raged on yesterday when Greg Miller was given a 24-hour deadline to withdraw his nomination for the Richmond board.
And independent candidate Justin Ridge said he would vacate his spot for club legend Rex Hunt provided he wins a seat after the December 22 elections.
Ridge, 35, a chartered accountant and lifelong Tigers supporter, says Hunt has plenty to offer the Tigers.
Hunt had hoped to join the ticket of incumbent president Clinton Casey last month but the plan was scuttled when it was revealed he wasn't even a member of the club.
"This is just another option for Richmond members," Ridge told the Herald Sun.
"If Rex is available, I'll move aside. I've pledged that."
Hunt last night said he had a lot to offer the Tigers, but hoped he wouldn't have to accept Ridge's offer.
"That's a bit like queue-jumping, I hope it doesn't get to that," he told 3AW.
Hunt said he was happy to work with either Casey or rival Charles Macek.
Ridge's offer came as the Macek group delivered a letter by courier to Miller yesterday afternoon, asking the Tigers' director of football to reconsider his decision to join the Casey ticket.
But Miller, who was in Mildura and hadn't seen the letter, last night delivered an emphatic response.
"I made my decision for the right reasons and I've said them all along," Miller said.
"Macek has said that I've let Richmond people down by going with Clinton Casey.
"I thought it would be the opposite. Joining the Clinton Casey board was for the Richmond people, because I feel so strongly about it."
Miller decided last week to align himself with Casey, prompting conflict of interest accusations. If the Macek ticket claims power, it seems almost certain Miller, who started to overhaul the Tigers' football department two years ago, would be lost to the club.
The alternative board is keen to retain his football nous, a desire reinforced by their decision to hand out an "olive branch". "We are asking him in the interests of the Richmond Football Club, first and foremost, to commit to the coach and players and to his plan," Macek said.
"If he withdraws his nomination for the board, which under the constitution you are entitled to do until December 10, we would give him an absolute undertaking that his role is secure."
If the Casey ticket loses, Miller will be out the door.
"We are asking him to do this for the young players he has brought to the club," Macek said. "He can't stay on the board and work in the club. That's untenable, unheard of."
As football director, Miller has to report to chief executive Steve Wright but, if elected on to the board, Miller would have a say in, if necessary, sacking Wright. Wright, in return, would find himself having to report to Miller in his board role.
If elected, Miller, who works closely with new coach Terry Wallace, would also have a vote in determining Wallace's fate.
Ridge, who will release his campaign brochure today, is one of two independents running for a seat on the board.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11612261%255E20322,00.html
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If the Casey ticket loses, Miller will be out the door.
"We are asking him to do this for the young players he has brought to the club," Macek said. "He can't stay on the board and work in the club. That's untenable, unheard of."
Who says Miller would stay on the Board, long-term, anyway?
If the way they run their campaign is an indication of how they would run the Club …
Why do they always need someone or something to blame when things go wrong?
And if it’s not blaming someone, they need the rules changed, because they never seem to suit them. Funny about that.
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1980, you seriously believe that we have only had problems at this Club for the last 5 years?
No need to tell us about what has happend, we know, but just wanting to know what you thought of the time before that. Were you happy with those times?
We had problems for more than 5 years, but each time the club president did the honourable thing by the club.
What I believe is that Neville Crowe was a good man that did his best by the club. When the club was at its lowest point, he did what he could to ensure we survived. We were a horror to watch, but at least the club survived. Crowe then moved on with honor when the time was right after 5 years in charge.
Leon Daphne strengthened the club's finances and increased memberships. He made some mistakes regarding coaching appointments, and he then also did the honoroubale thing after 5 years in charge. Passed the baton on.
Both men put the club ahead of themselves.
Clinton Casey on the other hand is putting himself before the club. Politicising Greg Miller will have repurcussions for the next 5 years. As far as a lot of supporters were concerned, Greg Miller was the one good thing about the club in an otherwise miserable 2 seasons, and above any criticism. And a lot of them now are saying Miller's credibility is tainted, his aura is diminished, and his decision to put Casey's job ahead of everything else by signing up for his ticket, will haunt him for as long as he's at the RFC. He is now just another political player in the Punt Rd circus.
Casey may win his election by putting Miller on his ticket, but he has damaged Miller in the process. And Miller will no longer have the authority with the supporters he had before. A couple of losses next year and we'll be turning on him just like we did Frawley.
And that is the single worst thing that Casey has done in his mad obsessesion to cling to the job. Damaged Miller!
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Add Schwab, Welsh and Wood to that list and I'd agree with you to some degree 1980
but let me tell you there is no way in hell I'd want those 3 names above back on the Richmond board.
and if this election is all about "Unity" then if I have to vote Casey then so be it.
but my pen will not come anywhere near those three boxes for those three buttheads named in the first line.
On this we can agree PRR. No Welsh, Schwab or Casey. Damaged goods the lot of them. I wont be voting for any of them.
Our argument however is who has done more damage to the club in the past 5 years. Casey has been in charge and should resign his post if he had any honor about him.
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As far as a lot of supporters were concerned, Greg Miller was the one good thing about the club in an otherwise miserable 2 seasons, and above any criticism. And a lot of them now are saying Miller's credibility is tainted, his aura is diminished, and his decision to put Casey's job ahead of everything else by signing up for his ticket, will haunt him for as long as he's at the RFC. He is now just another political player in the Punt Rd circus.
Casey may win his election by putting Miller on his ticket, but he has damaged Miller in the process. And Miller will no longer have the authority with the supporters he had before. A couple of losses next year and we'll be turning on him just like we did Frawley.
And that is the single worst thing that Casey has done in his mad obsessesion to cling to the job. Damaged Miller!
I for one don't think Miller has diminished his credibility at all in fact I think he has enhanced it. He has shown himself to be someone who is prepared to put himself on the line for something he believes in. has a history of this in fact!
How many times does Miller have to say that it was his decision to stand and that he approached Casey, not the other way around. Why do people persist in the lie that Casey has forced him to stand. I think the one thing people should be able to agree on is that Greg Miller is his own man.
People forget that he took himself out of the running for the AFL job (even though he stated that it was something that he'd like to do) because he had made a commitment to the RFC and wanted to see it through.
If you spoke to the man, you'd know it was his decision.
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We had problems for more than 5 years, but each time the club president did the honourable thing by the club.
What I believe is that Neville Crowe was a good man that did his best by the club. When the club was at its lowest point, he did what he could to ensure we survived. We were a horror to watch, but at least the club survived. Crowe then moved on with honor when the time was right after 5 years in charge.
Leon Daphne strengthened the club's finances and increased memberships. He made some mistakes regarding coaching appointments, and he then also did the honoroubale thing after 5 years in charge. Passed the baton on.
Both men put the club ahead of themselves.
Clinton Casey on the other hand is putting himself before the club.
And that is the single worst thing that Casey has done in his mad obsessesion to cling to the job. Damaged Miller!
I’m not all that familiar with Neville Crowe’s time as Prez., but the difference I see between Daphne and Casey is that Daphne’s time was up, because he didn’t know how to take the Club any further (i.e. he didn’t know what was wrong with the place, so couldn’t fix anything). Time to move on, for anyone.
On the other hand, Casey, despite his flaws and all the mistakes, has at least shown that he sees there are problems. These problems would make it impossible for any Board to have the sort of impact Boards do at other Clubs. He at least is doing something about them.
Were Casey to get to the point where Daphne was at when he moved aside, I would totally agree with you that he should go. But he doesn’t seem to be at the point where he has no answers. And to me, the Club doesn’t appear to be stagnant, as it was 5 years ago.
Apart from anything else, the opposition is worse than the disease. But people want to make this about the last 5 years when that just shows a lack of understanding of the depths of the problems within the Club.
Re Miller, if people decide that this harms his reputation, then I guess it does. But I agree with bg25. I don’t think any of this has damaged his reputation at all. He wouldn’t make such a stance for no good reason.
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We had problems for more than 5 years, but each time the club president did the honourable thing by the club.
What I believe is that Neville Crowe was a good man that did his best by the club. When the club was at its lowest point, he did what he could to ensure we survived. We were a horror to watch, but at least the club survived. Crowe then moved on with honor when the time was right after 5 years in charge.
Leon Daphne strengthened the club's finances and increased memberships. He made some mistakes regarding coaching appointments, and he then also did the honoroubale thing after 5 years in charge. Passed the baton on.
Both men put the club ahead of themselves.
Clinton Casey on the other hand is putting himself before the club.
And that is the single worst thing that Casey has done in his mad obsessesion to cling to the job. Damaged Miller!
I’m not all that familiar with Neville Crowe’s time as Prez., but the difference I see between Daphne and Casey is that Daphne’s time was up, because he didn’t know how to take the Club any further (i.e. he didn’t know what was wrong with the place, so couldn’t fix anything). Time to move on, for anyone.
On the other hand, Casey, despite his flaws and all the mistakes, has at least shown that he sees there are problems. These problems would make it impossible for any Board to have the sort of impact Boards do at other Clubs. He at least is doing something about them.
Sorry TS, this post confirms that you are a Casey supporter more than you are a RFC supporter.
The guy's been there for 5 years. He JUST figured out there are problems? Any RFC supporter, could tell him from Day 1 of year 1 there were problems. Does the man not listen to his members? Does he not read the papers which love to tell the footy public what a shocker we are. You've been posting here we've been crap for 20 not 5 years. Well he'd know that if he wasnt busy following the bombers for the past 20 years.
You cannot argue a plan put haphazardly together in the past 3 months and for the purpose of winning an election as something that overrides 5 years of incompetence, failure, financial losses, and like Daphne, failed coaching decisions.
He lacks honor. He lacks a genuine love for the RFC. His ego is all that matters to him in all this.
Leon Daphne failed in the end, but he also took the club forward financially. Clinton Casey will be known for winning an election, but taking the club backwards.
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As far as a lot of supporters were concerned, Greg Miller was the one good thing about the club in an otherwise miserable 2 seasons, and above any criticism. And a lot of them now are saying Miller's credibility is tainted, his aura is diminished, and his decision to put Casey's job ahead of everything else by signing up for his ticket, will haunt him for as long as he's at the RFC. He is now just another political player in the Punt Rd circus.
Casey may win his election by putting Miller on his ticket, but he has damaged Miller in the process. And Miller will no longer have the authority with the supporters he had before. A couple of losses next year and we'll be turning on him just like we did Frawley.
And that is the single worst thing that Casey has done in his mad obsessesion to cling to the job. Damaged Miller!
I for one don't think Miller has diminished his credibility at all in fact I think he has enhanced it. He has shown himself to be someone who is prepared to put himself on the line for something he believes in. has a history of this in fact!
How many times does Miller have to say that it was his decision to stand and that he approached Casey, not the other way around. Why do people persist in the lie that Casey has forced him to stand. I think the one thing people should be able to agree on is that Greg Miller is his own man.
People forget that he took himself out of the running for the AFL job (even though he stated that it was something that he'd like to do) because he had made a commitment to the RFC and wanted to see it through.
If you spoke to the man, you'd know it was his decision.
And what he believes in is winning a wooden spoon and losing $2.3m. That's the record he's putting his neck on the line to defend? If that's the case, he had no credibility to begin with.
Sorry, but you jump into the political circus, you're one of the clowns. Miller had respect, now he is one of the many political monkies.
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Sorry TS, this post confirms that you are a Casey supporter more than you are a RFC supporter.
Maybe if you actually knew me you could think even less of me.
The guy's been there for 5 years. He JUST figured out there are problems? Any RFC supporter, could tell him from Day 1 of year 1 there were problems. Does the man not listen to his members? Does he not read the papers which love to tell the footy public what a shocker we are. You've been posting here we've been crap for 20 not 5 years. Well he'd know that if he wasnt busy following the bombers for the past 20 years.
If everyone has known that, why didn’t any other Board do anything about the problems? It seems it’s obvious to everyone that there are problems, just no one’s been able or prepared to do anything about them, until now. I’m just grateful that someone, anyone, has finally woken up and done something about it. I couldn’t care less if it was Eddie McGuire or the man on the moon, coz I care about Richmond, believe it or not, rather than who someone once supported. You’re not Peter Welsh are you?
You cannot argue a plan put haphazardly together in the past 3 months and for the purpose of winning an election as something that overrides 5 years of incompetence, failure, financial losses, and like Daphne, failed coaching decisions.
How can you say it’s haphazardly put together when it’s been endorsed by the AFL.
He lacks honor. He lacks a genuine love for the RFC. His ego is all that matters to him in all this.
I said the same thing about the Alt. group right from the start, 1980. Who’s right?
Leon Daphne failed in the end, but he also took the club forward financially. Clinton Casey will be known for winning an election, but taking the club backwards
If he’s not re-elected then he won’t have the opportunity to prove anyone wrong. Not that you’ll agree, but some would argue that the ground work already done is the start of better times ahead and whoever gets in will benefit from that work.
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TS, I have a hard time bagging you. Cos you seem like a good guy :thumbsup
But anyway, the AFL endorsed Ian Campbell as our CEO. Endorsing the business plan drafted by their consultants doesnt fill me with enthusiasm.
We're chasing rainbows again. We are told the same crap every year by Casey, and we've gone from bad to worse. Pull out all his statements pre season. And then look we're we are. Every year its the same drivel.
By the by, Peter Welsh is a RFC premiership player. Which is a much greater contribution than anything Clinton Casey has done for the club. I bet he wasnt even there in 1980. Probably booing us in a pub near Windy Hill.
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What I believe is that Neville Crowe was a good man that did his best by the club. When the club was at its lowest point, he did what he could to ensure we survived. We were a horror to watch, but at least the club survived. Crowe then moved on with honor when the time was right after 5 years in charge.
Leon Daphne strengthened the club's finances and increased memberships. He made some mistakes regarding coaching appointments, and he then also did the honoroubale thing after 5 years in charge. Passed the baton on.
Both men put the club ahead of themselves
Agree about Neville Crowe 1980. Apart from handling the end of KB's coaching days poorly, he presided over S.O.S. and the Club's survival. I thought after 6 years (late 87-93) in the job he just decided to stepped down. I don't remember a challenge against him.
Daphne fell on his own sword because he tied his presidency to Geischen when their were loud calls for Geischen's sacking and rumours of a senior players revolting against Geisch. The board at that time had the chance to restructure the Club after the round 22 debacle against the Dees in 98 but instead sat on their hands.
Btw both were president for longer than 5 years ;). Daphne lead from late 93 to 99.
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From The Age:
Meanwhile, Richmond president Clinton Casey said he had not ruled out taking legal action against Charles Macek's opposition ticket over allegedly defamatory material produced to support their campaign, but said the matter could be resolved if an apology was forthcoming.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/07/1102182291432.html
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Miller caught in middle
The Australian
December 08, 2004
GREG Miller's decision to align himself with Richmond president Clinton Casey has put him in an impossible position, rebel group spokesman Charles Macek said last night.
The rebel group wants Miller to withdraw his nomination for the board, but Miller has no intention of doing so.
"As I said last week when he nominated, putting himself in an impossible conflict, it's disappointing that he has chosen to throw his support behind one man," Macek said.
"We think the best way he can serve the football club is in the football department, with (coach) Terry Wallace and the young players he's brought there.
"And he's not going to be able to do that and sit on the board; it's just absolutely untenable."
Macek said it was Miller's decision not to work with his rebel group if they won power at the December 22 elections.
"You need to ask him why he wouldn't work with us," Macek said.
"He has made that decision when we have made it absolutely clear that we would like him there in the football department, where we think he's got a lot to offer."
Macek said his group had written to Miller personally to put its side of the issue.
"In one of his comments that I heard last week, he said he hadn't heard from us and he didn't think he'd have a job if he got in," Macek said.
"So we needed to get that message to him."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11624507%255E23211,00.html
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"As I said last week when he nominated, putting himself in an impossible conflict, it's disappointing that he has chosen to throw his support behind one man," Macek said.
"We think the best way he can serve the football club is in the football department, with (coach) Terry Wallace and the young players he's brought there.
"And he's not going to be able to do that and sit on the board; it's just absolutely untenable."
Strange as Macek mustn't seem to think there's a untenable conflict problem for the CEO and other executive directors who are on the Wesfarmers board ::).
http://www1.wesfarmers.com.au/investor_relations/annrep2003/ff/ff_2.html
Miller's throwing his support behind the Club, Wright, Wallace and subsequently incumbant board after the positive changes made the past 3-4 months plus the past 2 drafts. If the roles were reversed and Macek was president the past 5 years and Casey was challenging then he would support Macek. It's fairly simple to understand :sleep.
"You need to ask him why he wouldn't work with us," Macek said.
Geez the alternative threaten ultimatums towards Miller (such as forcing an EGM while we're negotiating with Wallace, forcing Miller to resign if he is fairly elected and demanding Miller to withdraw) yet still expect him to work with them. Ummm...don't think so ;)
Not surprisingly the alternative attacks now centre on Miller and not Casey nor the other 7 Casey ticket members. If there's some truth in that BF rumour about one or two low profile alternative people having second thoughts about the way the alternative is acting then I wouldn't be surprised. Stop playing the man! >:(
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Miller has sent an email to Rhett Bartlett outlining his reasoning for running on the Casey ticket and responds to criticism. He obviously doesn't have any time for Brendan Schwab.
http://www.rhettrospective.com/rhett_weekly_update.htm
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TS, I have a hard time bagging you. Cos you seem like a good guy :thumbsup
:cheers Same here 1980. Not out to intentionally bag anyone, just here to discuss RFC.
But anyway, the AFL endorsed Ian Campbell as our CEO. Endorsing the business plan drafted by their consultants doesnt fill me with enthusiasm.
We're chasing rainbows again. We are told the same crap every year by Casey, and we've gone from bad to worse. Pull out all his statements pre season. And then look we're we are. Every year its the same drivel.
I see your point and understand your frustration 1980, but we’ve been chasing rainbows and listening to the same promises for almost as long as I can remember and not just the last 5 years. And seeing as it’s come down to choosing between the current Board and the Alt. ticket, there has to be some reason behind choosing one over the other (or a combination of the two, and/or independents).
For me, despite past mistakes and faults of the current Board (some of whom haven’t been there more than a few months), they seem more likely to change things than the Alternative, which doesn’t seem like much of an alternative, whichever way I look at it.
But, whatever our views and whatever happens, I’m sure we’ll all do what we think is in the best interests of RFC.
By the by, Peter Welsh is a RFC premiership player. Which is a much greater contribution than anything Clinton Casey has done for the club. I bet he wasnt even there in 1980. Probably booing us in a pub near Windy Hill.
Whatever the situation was, at least he eventually saw the light. :rollin
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"As I said last week when he nominated, putting himself in an impossible conflict, it's disappointing that he has chosen to throw his support behind one man," Macek said.
But not disappointing when they aim their election campaign at one man. :help
"You need to ask him why he wouldn't work with us," Macek said.
Would they like us to draw them a picture perhaps? ::)
So, what’s the ultimatum? Miller withdraws his nomination or else what? Where’s the punch line?
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Strange as Macek mustn't seem to think there's a untenable conflict problem for the CEO and other executive directors who are on the Wesfarmers board ::).
http://www1.wesfarmers.com.au/investor_relations/annrep2003/ff/ff_2.html
and your point is :lol :lol you're not comparing fairly. :rollin
Just move the goal post a little more to the right please :help.
In the immortal words of my 7 year old niece (it's her birthday today) - GOT YA :rollin :rollin :rollin
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What I believe is that Neville Crowe was a good man that did his best by the club. When the club was at its lowest point, he did what he could to ensure we survived. We were a horror to watch, but at least the club survived. Crowe then moved on with honor when the time was right after 5 years in charge.
Leon Daphne strengthened the club's finances and increased memberships. He made some mistakes regarding coaching appointments, and he then also did the honoroubale thing after 5 years in charge. Passed the baton on.
Both men put the club ahead of themselves
Agree about Neville Crowe 1980. Apart from handling the end of KB's coaching days poorly, he presided over S.O.S. and the Club's survival. I thought after 6 years (late 87-93) in the job he just decided to stepped down. I don't remember a challenge against him.
Daphne fell on his own sword because he tied his presidency to Geischen when their were loud calls for Geischen's sacking and rumours of a senior players revolting against Geisch. The board at that time had the chance to restructure the Club after the round 22 debacle against the Dees in 98 but instead sat on their hands.
Btw both were president for longer than 5 years ;). Daphne lead from late 93 to 99.
The key point is that both ex presidents moved on without blood letting, acknowledged they'd made mistakes on the footy side of things, and passed the baton on to someone else. You think we have a reputation for eating our own just because we sack coaches?
He should have followed the good example set by the 2 previous presidents. Moved on and let someone else have a go after he's had 5 years to get it right, and hasnt done so.
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"As I said last week when he nominated, putting himself in an impossible conflict, it's disappointing that he has chosen to throw his support behind one man," Macek said.
"We think the best way he can serve the football club is in the football department, with (coach) Terry Wallace and the young players he's brought there.
"And he's not going to be able to do that and sit on the board; it's just absolutely untenable."
Strange as Macek mustn't seem to think there's a untenable conflict problem for the CEO and other executive directors who are on the Wesfarmers board ::).
http://www1.wesfarmers.com.au/investor_relations/annrep2003/ff/ff_2.html
There wouldnt be a problem if Steven Wright as CEO ran for the board. But the footy dept GM that reports to the CEO is a problem.
However, Wright wont win Casey as many votes as Miller right?
So they're creating a structural mess just to win the election. And you agree with this.
I dont know any blue chip companies that have one of their managers on the board but not the CEO. Certainly not Wesfarmers, nor Telstra.
If you want to argue Wright should be on the board instead of Miller, I'd vote for Wright. And I'd ask you. Why isnt he on the ticket? Do they not have faith in him as CEO? Is he another Casey puppet?
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The key point is that both ex presidents moved on without blood letting, acknowledged they'd made mistakes on the footy side of things, and passed the baton on to someone else. You think we have a reputation for eating our own just because we sack coaches?
He should have followed the good example set by the 2 previous presidents. Moved on and let someone else have a go after he's had 5 years to get it right, and hasnt done so.
If the president steps down without challenge as Neville Crowe did then that's something the Club should be proud of. However avoiding a public blood letting just to save face as we did at the end of 99 doesn't fix the tensions and problems behind the scenes. IMO it only encourages a culture of faceless factions and challengers waiting in baited breathe for the next incumbant to underperform and then sweep in and seize power with ease and without scrutiny. We end up going around in circles repeatedly "eating our own".
The "handover" also doesn't give us the members a say as we are taken out of the equation. Remember Casey only came into contention for the job at the very end. We just turn up at the AGM and get told this is your new board. Regular elections hold both the incumbant and challengers to account for what they've done and promise to do for the future. IMO Daphne at that time should have been allowed to face a poll.
Anyway this is assuming Casey is going to be elected. His ticket may very well get elected without him. The members (the vast majority who don't visit internet forums) will decide his fate.
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There wouldnt be a problem if Steven Wright as CEO ran for the board. But the footy dept GM that reports to the CEO is a problem.
However, Wright wont win Casey as many votes as Miller right?
So they're creating a structural mess just to win the election. And you agree with this.
I don't see the difference. The board monitors the performance of all parts of the club including that of the CEO. If the CEO is on the board then there's a potential conflict of interest as he or she can have a say in the judgement of his or her own performance. With any executive director it's up to he or she and the rest of the board to recognize conflicts of interest and that he or she then steps aside from any discussions or final decisions in regard to issues where a conflict of interest exists. Sure to avoid any potential of a conflict of interest you wouldn't have any executive directors but it's not uncommon and my point was I found it strange that Macek had a problem with the RFC board having an executive director but not other company boards he is actually a member of.
A poster on tiger talk has listed the number of executive directors for the ASX 20 (top 20 Australian companies). Virtually all of them have one and not just the CEO.
AWC Alumina Limited = 1 (of 5)
AMC Amcor Limited = (too difficult to work out because of current
upheaval and crappy website)
AMP AMP Limited = 1 (of 7)
ANZ Australia And New Zealand Banking Group = 1 (of 9)
BHP BHP Billiton Limited = 3 (of 11)
CML Coles Myer Limited = 1 (of 10)
CBA Commonwealth Bank Of Australia = 1 (of 10)
FGL Foster's Group Limited = 1 (of 7)
NAB National Australia Bank Limited = 3 (of 13)
NWSLV News Corporation Inc (NonVoting CDI)= 6/7 (of 14)
NWS News Corporation Inc (Voting CDI) = assumed as above
QBE Qbe Insurance Group Limited = 1 (of 8)
RIO Rio Tinto Limited Australia = 3 (of 13)
SGB St George Bank Limited = 1 (of 9)
TLS Telstra Corporation Limited = 1 (of 9?)
WES Wesfarmers = 4 (of 13)
WDC Westfield Group = 4 (of 13)
WBC Westpac Banking Corporation = 1 (of 9)
WPL Woodside Petroleum Limited = 1 (of 10)
WOW Woolworths Limited = 1 (of 7)
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/62525
I've said earlier before Miller said he was running for a board position that I would have preferred Miller didn't run for the board but I understand why he's doing it and accept his reasons and it doesn't change my vote as I won't be voting for the alternative.
If you want to argue Wright should be on the board instead of Miller, I'd vote for Wright. And I'd ask you. Why isnt he on the ticket? Do they not have faith in him as CEO? Is he another Casey puppet?
I would say Miller adds a football person to the board whereas the financial side is covered already by guys like Dalton and O'Shannassy. That's why they went after Rex.
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Dont know any blue chip companies that have one of their managers on the board but not the CEO. Certainly not Wesfarmers, nor Telstra.
1980 if you have a look at the link MT supplied to Wesfarmers you will clearly see that the Managing Director & CEO of Wesfarmers (that makes him a paid empolyee of the company) is also on the Wesfarmers board. Macek has stated that Miller on the board would be untenable - what's his view on this? You cannot take the moral high ground like he has regarding Miller and then not have a problem with on a board that he sits on. Which is it? Tenable or untenable? It would seem a contridiction - doesn't it ???
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Dont know any blue chip companies that have one of their managers on the board but not the CEO. Certainly not Wesfarmers, nor Telstra.
1980 if you have a look at the link MT supplied to Wesfarmers you will clearly see that the Managing Director & CEO of Wesfarmers (that makes him a paid empolyee of the company) is also on the Wesfarmers board. Macek has stated that Miller on the board would be untenable - what's his view on this? You cannot take the moral high ground like he has regarding Miller and then not have a problem with on a board that he sits on. Which is it? Tenable or untenable? It would seem a contridiction - doesn't it ???
Managing Director & CEO!!! Not someone that reports to the Managing Director and CEO!!!
Read my post again. I am clearly saying that Its Ok and common practice for the CEO to sit on the board, but ridiculous for someone that reports to the CEO to sit on the board, especially when the CEO himself does not.
So explain to me why Miller is on Casey's ticket and Wright the CEO is not?
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There wouldnt be a problem if Steven Wright as CEO ran for the board. But the footy dept GM that reports to the CEO is a problem.
However, Wright wont win Casey as many votes as Miller right?
So they're creating a structural mess just to win the election. And you agree with this.
I don't see the difference. The board monitors the performance of all parts of the club including that of the CEO. If the CEO is on the board then there's a potential conflict of interest as he or she can have a say in the judgement of his or her own performance. With any executive director it's up to he or she and the rest of the board to recognize conflicts of interest and that he or she then steps aside from any discussions or final decisions in regard to issues where a conflict of interest exists. Sure to avoid any potential of a conflict of interest you wouldn't have any executive directors but it's not uncommon and my point was I found it strange that Macek had a problem with the RFC board having an executive director but not other company boards he is actually a member of.
A poster on tiger talk has listed the number of executive directors for the ASX 20 (top 20 Australian companies). Virtually all of them have one and not just the CEO.
AWC Alumina Limited = 1 (of 5)
AMC Amcor Limited = (too difficult to work out because of current
upheaval and crappy website)
AMP AMP Limited = 1 (of 7)
ANZ Australia And New Zealand Banking Group = 1 (of 9)
BHP BHP Billiton Limited = 3 (of 11)
CML Coles Myer Limited = 1 (of 10)
CBA Commonwealth Bank Of Australia = 1 (of 10)
FGL Foster's Group Limited = 1 (of 7)
NAB National Australia Bank Limited = 3 (of 13)
NWSLV News Corporation Inc (NonVoting CDI)= 6/7 (of 14)
NWS News Corporation Inc (Voting CDI) = assumed as above
QBE Qbe Insurance Group Limited = 1 (of 8)
RIO Rio Tinto Limited Australia = 3 (of 13)
SGB St George Bank Limited = 1 (of 9)
TLS Telstra Corporation Limited = 1 (of 9?)
WES Wesfarmers = 4 (of 13)
WDC Westfield Group = 4 (of 13)
WBC Westpac Banking Corporation = 1 (of 9)
WPL Woodside Petroleum Limited = 1 (of 10)
WOW Woolworths Limited = 1 (of 7)
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/62525
I've said earlier before Miller said he was running for a board position that I would have preferred Miller didn't run for the board but I understand why he's doing it and accept his reasons and it doesn't change my vote as I won't be voting for the alternative.
If you want to argue Wright should be on the board instead of Miller, I'd vote for Wright. And I'd ask you. Why isnt he on the ticket? Do they not have faith in him as CEO? Is he another Casey puppet?
I would say Miller adds a football person to the board whereas the financial side is covered already by guys like Dalton and O'Shannassy. That's why they went after Rex.
I'm not arguing about CEOs being on the board. It is common enough practice. I'm asking why OUR CEO is not on the Casey ticket for the board?
Is it because he is subordinate to Greg Miller at the RFC?
And what the hell does that say about the the club turning around its financial position?
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Managing Director & CEO!!! Not someone that reports to the Managing Director and CEO!!!
Read my post again. I am clearly saying that Its Ok and common practice for the CEO to sit on the board, but ridiculous for someone that reports to the CEO to sit on the board, especially when the CEO himself does not.
Cool I understand what you are saying....... but
Have a look at the Wesfarmers link 1980, there is for example a board member who heads their Business Development Department (I would assume he is paid for that position) the head of that department would report to the CEO and is sitting on the board -conflict?
So explain to me why Miller is on Casey's ticket and Wright the CEO is not?
Because Greg Miller chose to nominate and steven Wright obviously didn't
You know I have been thinking about this and 1980 I am concerned what are we going to debate once this election is over :cheers ;D :cheers
Football perhaps .... scary thought :cheers
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Managing Director & CEO!!! Not someone that reports to the Managing Director and CEO!!!
Read my post again. I am clearly saying that Its Ok and common practice for the CEO to sit on the board, but ridiculous for someone that reports to the CEO to sit on the board, especially when the CEO himself does not.
Cool I understand what you are saying....... but
Have a look at the Wesfarmers link 1980, there is for example a board member who heads their Business Development Department (I would assume he is paid for that position) the head of that department would report to the CEO and is sitting on the board -conflict?
So explain to me why Miller is on Casey's ticket and Wright the CEO is not?
Because Greg Miller chose to nominate and steven Wright obviously didn't
You know I have been thinking about this and 1980 I am concerned what are we going to debate once this election is over :cheers ;D :cheers
Football perhaps .... scary thought :cheers
The Wesfarmer CEO is on the board so your comparing apples and oranges. The point is having a subordinate employee on the board when the CEO is not is stupidity, not having both on.
Wright is not on the ticket cos he's not use towards winning the election. If Miller stands down after Casey wins the election, then we dont have a problem. The problem is however whether he is on the board or not, Wright as the CEO is still subordinate to the footy dept. Great idea for winning games, bad idea if you already have books with red ink. Or is Miller going to have us play games in Sydney. What a financially splendid idea that was when he came up with it at the Roos.
We've got nothing to debate when this election is over. Thats the bloody trouble with being a Richmond supporter. We all support the same crap team. And there's no Frawley there for me to crucify. We have to be nice patient supporters for another 2 years.
Miller is a **nt of a bloke, but at least he's our **nt. He better turn it around, cos we've put every egg in his basket. He's got the whole club in his pocket after this election to do as he wishes.
This elections is driving me nuts. :'(
Stop flashing beers at me and buy me one.
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The Wesfarmer CEO is on the board so your comparing apples and oranges. The point is having a subordinate employee on the board when the CEO is not is stupidity, not having both on.
You still have the same conflict with a subordinate employee whether the CEO is on the board or not. What happens when the board discusses the CEO's performance? Does the business development manager at Wesfarmers leave the boardroom as well as the CEO when this occurs because he answers to the CEO as well as the board? Presumably you would expect Miller to not be involved in discussions about Wright. He should step out of the boardroom when this occurs. Miller would be there to play his role on the football subcommittee not the financial and governance one.
We've got nothing to debate when this election is over. Thats the bloody trouble with being a Richmond supporter. We all support the same crap team. And there's no Frawley there for me to crucify. We have to be nice patient supporters for another 2 years.
Yep it's a weird feeling having a coach that knows what he's doing ;). But hey there's still a few more duds on our list to get your teeth into next year ;D.
This elections is driving me nuts. :'(
Must admit I'm getting slightly sick of it. We've basically been in election mode for almost 6 months and we still have another 8 days to go :P.
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Casey offers to quit
By Michael Stevens and Jon Pierik
The Australian/Herald Sun
December 10, 2004
BESEIGED Richmond president Clinton Casey is believed to have offered to resign in 12 months if the club's financial position does not improve.
The offer is the latest development in an increasingly nasty election campaign which has had more twists and turns than a mystery novel.
Casey has come under intense fire from past Tiger champions for what is perceived as a dictatorial leadership style.
And the confirmation of a $2.2 million loss for season 2004 has flamed the voices of discontent.
Casey's threat of legal action against past club stalwarts Bryan Wood and Peter Welsh - both members of the rival Charles Macek-led rebel ticket - has also not endeared him to past players.
Club legend Bill Barrot yesterday joined the case for change, with his support for Macek's opposition ticket.
In a major coup for Macek's Big 4 camp, Barrot - the centreman in the Richmond's Team of the Century - has joined his famous wingmen from that side, idiot Clay and Francis Bourke, in calling for members to oust the incumbent board.
In another blow for the regime, the club's past players and officials association fired off a letter to Casey on Wednesday, labelling his threat to sue past premiership players Wood and Welsh as "unacceptable".
As the bitter electioneering heads into its final week, Barrot's decision was a timely boost for Macek.
Barrot had been undecided over which party to support but, after meeting with both, felt the rebels had more to offer.
"I have now had an opportunity to speak with representatives of the current Clinton Casey-led board - including Clinton and Greg Miller - and the Charles Macek-led Big 4 team," Barrot said.
"I sincerely believe that the Big 4 is a genuine team and the best equipped to take Richmond back to its rightful place at the top of the AFL competition.
"I want to support the winning team and I want to support my teammates."
Barrot, who played in the 1967 and '69 premierships, also joins club champions Jim Jess, Emmett Dunne, Brendon Gale, Ron Branton and Paul Broderick in supporting the Big 4.
"These are some of the most revered people in the history of the Richmond Football Club," Macek said.
"Most importantly, they have given a commitment to work with the Big 4 to take our great club back to the top - both on and off the field.
"That is what the Big 4 is all about, galvanising the mighty Richmond family into the most powerful force in the AFL."
Past players and officials president Mike Perry was encouraged to write his letter to Casey after receiving several angry calls, including some from current players.
"You can't go around threatening past champions," Perry said.
A dashing half-back in the '67 premiership side, Perry wouldn't disclose which party he was backing, but said he disagreed with the decision of football director Greg Miller to align himself with the Casey ticket.
"He should stay in the football department," Perry said.
It's understood the Macek group has also attracted some strong support from recently retired players.
Miller last night responded by saying those ex-players should come and talk to him "to get a balanced view".
The board has endured plenty of criticism, not the least over the $2 million loss it announced this year.
Asked whether the board should ask for forgiveness, Miller said: "Yeah, probably. They (supporters) have got to understand it's not an easy role and, while you might be good at part of the role, you are not necessarily over everything you need to be.
"That takes time.
"We took the wrong CEO, we took the wrong route, we had the wrong board members at the time.
"The board has changed significantly."
Miller also denied having any financial links with the wealthy Casey.
About 18,000 adult Tiger members have received their ballots in the mail this week, with votes to be returned by 5pm next Friday.
The new board will be announced at the December 22 election.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11643740%255E23211,00.html
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The alternative can roll out as many past players as the want. Just confirms in my mind that they are the political front for the old guard consisting of influential minority groups that have hamstrung our Club for decades by living in the past.
Yeah Bourke, Barrot and Clay were great in their time. Too bad it was almost 40 YEARS AGO ::) and many Richmond supporters today weren't even around then to see it. Geez let's spend another September watching B&W GFs from the 60s and early 70s - NOT! :sleep.
I'm waiting to celebrate a centreline of say Deledio, Cogs and Tambling win a flag. That is the future :thumbsup.
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I think you can undertsand why we havent been successful for a long time with the culture at Tigerland. Past players are just that , PAST PLAYERS. They all come out of the woodwork now. I go to all games and I can assure everyone that not many do actually go to the games. Who really cares if Billy Barrot backs the BIG 4. , who is Billy Barrot outside football? Really. They can wheel out who they like.Who cares , I dont
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I think you can undertsand why we havent been successful for a long time with the culture at Tigerland. Past players are just that , PAST PLAYERS. They all come out of the woodwork now. I go to all games and I can assure everyone that not many do actually go to the games. Who really cares if Billy Barrot backs the BIG 4. , who is Billy Barrot outside football? Really. They can wheel out who they like.Who cares , I dont
Yeah life Iv'e been going every game for 25 years and I havn't seen any of these people around - Not that I see everyone at the footy by the way
the only x player I have seen that go's pretty regulary to games is Gary Frangalas.
"They can wheel out who they like" - exactly the club is allways bigger than the individual :thumbsup
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The alternative can roll out as many past players as the want. Just confirms in my mind that they are the political front for the old guard consisting of influential minority groups that have hamstrung our Club for decades by living in the past.
Yeah Bourke, Barrot and Clay were great in their time. Too bad it was almost 40 YEARS AGO ::) and many Richmond supporters today weren't even around then to see it. Geez let's spend another September watching B&W GFs from the 60s and early 70s - NOT! :sleep.
I'm waiting to celebrate a centreline of say Deledio, Cogs and Tambling win a flag. That is the future :thumbsup.
Stick to slagging off Brendan Schwab MT.
Those players you've not got kind words for luv the club more than any of us, and showed it when they wore the jumper.
And Brendan Gale wasnt around 40 years ago.
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In another blow for the regime, the club's past players and officials association fired off a letter to Casey on Wednesday, labelling his threat to sue past premiership players Wood and Welsh as "unacceptable".
Past players and officials president Mike Perry was encouraged to write his letter to Casey after receiving several angry calls, including some from current players.
"You can't go around threatening past champions," Perry said.
A dashing half-back in the '67 premiership side, Perry wouldn't disclose which party he was backing, but said he disagreed with the decision of football director Greg Miller to align himself with the Casey ticket.
I know that there has been no confirmation of defamation but.............
This concerns, saddens and confuses me.... :'( you cannot threaten because they are past tiger player or official? But if it is determined that a person has been defamed then thats OK ?
Take a step back for a minute please - if someone has been defamed or are concerned that they have been defamed are they not within their rights to do something about ??? I don't think it is right to hide behind a footy club.
Very sad indeed :'(
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Stick to slagging off Brendan Schwab MT.
Those players you've not got kind words for luv the club more than any of us, and showed it when they wore the jumper.
And Brendan Gale wasnt around 40 years ago.
Surely 1980 despite them being past players (and most of them champions) and entitled to their opinion they are not above scrutiny for what they say publicly. In any case I was just expressing how I'm sick of some of us around the Club continually reminiscing about the good ol' glory days of the 60s and 70s as a distraction to us being in the wilderness for the past 20 years. It just reminds us of how long we've been crap for. Do you think our young supporters (U25s) relate to most of these past players?! Do you think most Essendon fans idolize their past players ahead of champions like Hird and Lloyd?! Recognizing our past is important (although we as a Club seem to put the 1960s/70s sides way ahead of the 1920/30/40s teams who were more dominant IMO) but we shouldn't let it govern our Club's future. You need to move with the times or get left behind.
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The only people who talk about the good old days is the papers, the players themselves or the clubs when they've got a function they want to promote. Supporters rarely talk about old players - case in point message boards. I've seen boards on other sites where they've got sections devoted to players of the past, but hardly any posts in them. Supporters are more looking forward to the future than dwelling on the past, even if they had successful eras. Nice to reminisce, but been there, done that.
Players can have their say in the election, but i wish they'd comment on the other side after they've sat down and actually listened to the other side's story. Love Billy, respect his opinions, but it's my club too and i'll vote how i choose, won't be persuaded by anyone.
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The only people who talk about the good old days is the papers
And Tony Greenberg lol ;)
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Greg Miller's interview on SEN - 9/12/04 - Part 1
- Said he only received Macek's ultimatum to step down moments before the deadline. So wasn't able to respond. Knows his decision has put members in a "invidious" position but after even more thought he believes his making the right one.
- Put himself in this position not to just give his total support to Casey but cause he believes so much in what we’ve achieved and where we’re going. He didn’t want to start again and had was in no doubt in his mind that would happen if the alternative won the elction. Said when a new board comes in and the style of some of the people on that alternative ticket, they would want to do things differently and he believes that's not need as we’ve turned the corner. Alot of work had been done behind the scenes in the past 2 years and some of the results of that have only been seen in the last 3-4 months. He said we would see alot more of the results of that in the next 12 months.
- Dermott said Richmond from the outside looked a club that needed to toss out somebody (coach etc..) if they didn't find success in a very short period of time. Richmond needed to find stability to see decisions through. Greg believed that most members see the direction we’re taking now and the patience now to see this through (past two drafts etc...). Said he understood members are concerned about the finances but people have learnt their lessons including the chairman (Casey) and we have now the right CEO, Crowe-Lovett report, right strategic planning and budgeting, Things are already looking on the up.
- Miller said he should have spent more time with the President's men coterie educating them on what the club was doing. Said that was his and Casey's fault. He also claimed Jack's club and the executive Richmond coteries were in favour of the incumbants.
- Miller said under the previous CEO outsourcing outside the club was a wrong decision. The club didn’t have people on the ground to take the opportunities when people were offering finacial contributions and we didn't get back to them. Said the Club has learnt that lesson gone back in-house and we’re doing things right. Expected those people to come back as they Richmond people.
- Said ex-players who backed the alternative would be welcomed at the club. Mentioned the new mentor program where each current player is aligned with a former one. Miller said he wished therse former players had come by and spoken to him to get a balanced view.
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Greg Miller's interview on SEN - 9/12/04 - Part 2
- A caller asked about the Kane Johnson trade and giving up pick 2 (Daniel Wells) for Kane. Miller said he was very happy with the decision. Johnson is a real leader and helps with the young blokes at the Club. We also got pick 12 - Jay Schulz in the deal who's going to be a excellent player. Said Johnson was already signed up before he got to Tigerland but he arranged the deal.
- Same caller said Miller should have got Solomon signature. GR would have. Miller responded by saying it doesn't work like that, there’s no signatures any more only trades. Solomon said yes to Miller one night but by the next morning after a phone call from Ramanaskus he had changed his mind.
- Same caller asked about Zantuck and that we lost him for nothing and it was our responsibility to get rid of him. Miller said we tried to orchestrate it to the Kangaroos [Ty said no]. Spoke to Essendon 3 or 4 times during the day and they said not interested. Essendon then came down to us with two minutes to go.
- In relation to Rex, the caller said a savvy administrator would have known about the need to be a member rule. Miller said he went and saw Rex. Mext day found out he wasn't a member. Would have been nice if he was. Would be great at some stage to have Rex down at the Club.
- Talked about Macek ultimatum. Miller was asked if had sat down with Charles at all and discussed it.
No he hadn't. Ultimatum was strange. It hit the media and the websites before it got to Miller. More a ploy.
- Miller wants everyone to vote to get a true guide not just from the "vitriolic" few.
- Asked if he takes a heavy fall at the election. "I'll be out of a job".
- Non Richmond supporter caller said to Greg that he was taking a risk aligning himself with Casey. Asked about Casey on a personal level. Miller replied that Casey is misunderstood in the way that he carries himself from time to time. Members like to see you down with them and Casey’s got other roles to play at the Club. Said there's sort of a tall poppy-type syndrome that works against him with some members. Miller finds Casey very generous. Casey had made mistakes, he’d admitted those mistakes; the whole board’s made mistakes.
- Asked how many mistakes are you allowed to make though, Greg? $2.2m is a pretty big mistake.
Miller agreed. Said we took the wrong CEO, the wrong route, had the wrong board members at the time. Board has changed alot. Some of those now challenging have gone. Team now far more united.
- Asked if he was asking, on behalf of Clinton, for forgiveness from Richmond supporters. Miler said yes, probably true. President is not an easy role. Need a strong CEO to educate you. Good clubs have a good combo - Eddie/Swan, McMahon/Jackson and Costa/Cook. We have that now.
- Miller then told the story about how he played his last game on Royce Hart at the 'G in 1976. Went to punch the ball but fell awkwardly over Royce and Miller did his knee. End of footy career.
- Asked by a caller (voting for Miller) that if he feels that passionately about the club, isn’t it better to at least still be there, rather than totally walk away from it. Couldn't see how Miller could just walk away if the Casey ticket didn’t get up. Miller responded by saying he had thought long and hard about it. Although he feels he has put people in a position that he didn’t really want to put them into, he could no longer sit on the fence. We've come too far and you can't have your cake and eat it too. Need to put your hand up for what you believe. If the Alternative win he'll watch from the Outer.
- Asked if he was enemies with Macek and Brendan Schwab. Miller said certainly not with Macek. Didn't know him. [Ed. didn't mention Schwab until prompted] Not pleased with some of the campaign methodology which Miller thinks Schwab has had a lot to do with. It was old Richmond. Too much nastiness and pointing the finger. Very personal against Casey. We've got to change that culture.
- Casey wasn't an Essendon supporter. Casey was an electrician originally. Played for Aberfeldie and won B&Fs. His dad had him down at Richmond from a young age. Brereton piped in and said the Casey brothers grew up barracking for Richmond, like their parents, going to the footy each week, and then the younger brother got taught by Alan Noonan in primary school and changed to Essendon. Bedroom was half Richmond; half Essendon. Both would alternate b/w Richmond and Essendon games.
- Was asked about having any business dealings with Clinton. That disappointed him in the start of the campaign and One of the reasons it hurt him because it questioned his integrity. He's got no financial involvement with Clinton whatsoever [Ed. said it twice in his answer].
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Great summary MT yet again :bow
I heard that caller who asked him about Johnson, Solomon and Rex etc – he seemed like he was after Miller’s head – but I thought Greg answered him really well and put him in his place.
I’m not sure if calling the diehard supporters “vitriolic” is the right word, Greg, but I know what you mean lol
Glad to see his honesty in admitting mistakes have been made – let’s face it, who doesn’t make mistakes – we’ve seen plenty in the last 25 years.
I’m glad he’s a true believer in the cause and direction they’re taking – funny, I think most RFC people are – if they’re not, they’re the types who still think drafting old hacks is the way to go and living in the past of bygone glory days.
:cheers Here’s to a positive future for our club :cheers
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Heard the last bit of an interview on SEN this morning with Don Lord and he said that Billy Barrot rang him yesterday absolutely fuming that he was reported as supporting the Macek ticket. He, in fact, will more than likely be voting for a split ticket voting for the people who he sees are the best for the club.
Our wonderful media! ::)
Did anyone hear the whole interview?
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Barrot was in the Sun yesterday holding a number 4 jumper with Bourkey and Clay, certainly looked like he was endorsing the Big 4.
Maybe Billy's just confused :-\
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Maybe the old head is functioning as it should :banghead
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Great summary MT yet again :bow
I heard that caller who asked him about Johnson, Solomon and Rex etc – he seemed like he was after Miller’s head – but I thought Greg answered him really well and put him in his place.
Agree Moi - terrific summary MT.
The caller you mention was Arthur from Hampton Park - who clearly showed he was unfortunately living in the past with his "savvy administrator, like GR" comments.
As for today's interview on SEN missed it - March and Lord were just coming on the air as we were getting out of the car :-\
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Thanks guys lol ;)
Billy Barrot was on KB's show a few weeks back and although he began by saying he hadn't made up his mind and would talk to both camps, it was clear from his comments after that he supported the alternative ticket.
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Well good on him for saying he'd speak to both tickets - i wonder if the others did.
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You're too late
11 December 2004
Herald Sun
Jon Pierik
Rebel ticket rejects Casey offer to resign
ALTERNATIVE Richmond president Charles Macek says Clinton Casey's offer to resign next year if the club continues to stumble was five years too late.
Casey, the incumbent president, is locked in a bitter struggle with the Macek party as the clock ticks down on their nasty election campaign.
If he retains power, Casey has offered to step aside in 2005 if "we haven't turned around the finances, the footy department ends up being no good or the CEO is no good".
As the campaign heads into its final week -- ballots must be returned by 5pm next Friday -- Macek scoffed at Casey's offer.
"It's a pity he didn't accept responsibility for the last five years," Macek said yesterday.
"It's been a very expensive term. Basically what he is saying is that he made some mistakes, it took us a while to learn, we won't repeat those mistakes.
"Well, it's cost the club $5 million for his education. That's expensive."
While admitting he and his board had made mistakes -- the Tigers lost $2.19 million this year -- Casey has said there was much to look forward to now.
In what has degenerated into an ugly fight, Macek accused the Casey ticket of using telemarketing to try to secure crucial votes.
"I personally don't think that's something we want to do," Macek said.
"The community generally doesn't like telemarketing.
"I can only interpret that as the tide is not going as strongly for them as they expected."
Macek, who expects many members to make up their minds this weekend, said the campaign had been "difficult".
He feels the decision by football director Greg Miller to run for a seat on Casey's board had been a wedge that had divided many at the club.
But he hopes Miller's stunning move does not distract members from analysing the key issues.
"The involvement of Greg playing the role he's playing introduces what I would call wedge politics," Macek said.
"It's sort of similar to the way some people would describe the Tampa boat and children overboard episode in the previous (federal) election.
"It introduces an issue that creates a wedge in the electorate because everyone is going to have a strong view.
"They are not going to be neutral.
"It's that one issue people are going to vote on, rather than the real issues that come back to financial mismanagement, the appalling values and culture the club has adopted that have driven so many good people away."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11651539%255E20322,00.html
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It wouldn't be Richmond if Mike didn't get his say ;)
Sheahan: The case for Casey
Future looking bright at last
11 December 2004
Herald Sun
By MIKE SHEAHAN
THERE is unmistakable optimism emanating from a large section of the chronically downbeat Richmond supporter group.
The arrival of Terry Wallace, Troy Simmonds and a batch of highly rated youngsters has had a profound impact on morale.
Wallace and Simmonds both managed to secure rare and risky five-year contracts, but both were in demand. Quality comes at a price.
The club performed as it should have at the draft table, snaring at least two, and as many as four, of the country's best youngsters. That's why Greg Miller took the extraordinary step of joining Clinton Casey's election ticket.
The veteran football man says he is only midway through a major rebuilding program; that he isn't interested in returning to square one.
While it was an extraordinary decision -- the rest of the staff have been warned to stay out of the election battle -- his public commitment to Casey ultimately might swing the result.
Talkback callers and email writers, and Richmond leads the way in both, have indicated a strong belief in Miller and, by extension, the Casey group.
Miller is a man of vast football experience. He is a good footy man because he knows the game and its participants, and does what it takes to get what he wants.
Five-year contracts for Wallace and Simmonds seem excessive. They might even prove to be so. But Richmond secured the best available coach, and, in Simmonds, got an experienced, capable ruckman-forward to replace Brad Ottens.
Wallace is a sound investment. His preparation is impeccable; he will be worth four or five more wins. Good teams make good coaches, but good coaches improve bad teams; Denis Pagan and Denis Pagan alone was responsible for Carlton's spectacular improvement this year.
Miller told the Herald Sun recently he saw traces of North Melbourne of the late 1980s and early '90s in the current Richmond group.
There's more than a trace of romance in that assessment, given the North crew included names such as Carey, Longmire, Stevens, Schwass and Archer, but the Tigers do have 12-15 kids who look to be chances.
Brett Deledio and Richard Tambling join Jay Schulz, Daniel Jackson and Brent Hartigan, and perhaps Tom Roach and Andrew Raines.
Richmond also has Nathan Brown, Matthew Richardson, Mark Coughlan and Joel Bowden, all of whom will be better under Wallace.
At board level, Casey carries a long list of convictions against his name, yet he does make a valid point when he says he must be better for five years' experience.
Like so many gung-ho businessmen before him, he paid football insufficient respect on arrival and it came back to bite him.
Casey and Miller have made plenty of mistakes, but they also make a sound case for a further 12 months.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11651547%255E19742,00.html
Sheahan: The case for Macek
Casey's used up his lives
11 December 2004
Herald Sun
By MIKE SHEAHAN
WHY shouldn't there be change? How long does one bloke and his cronies get to make a footy club function properly?
Richmond has finished 14th, 13th and 16th in the past three years, and has lost enough money to end Victoria's public health crisis.
There is a debt of $5 million, according to the Macek group.
Surely time's up. Something has to be tried. Anything.
Every Richmond great except Jack Dyer seems to have endorsed the challengers. From Francis Bourke down.
That must help at the ballot box, although it's hard to know how former players become instant experts on how a business is running. A business viewed from afar.
The Macek group has a liberal dose of experience. The man himself, Brendan Schwab, Peter Welsh and Mike Humphris all have been there before. Schwab and Welsh departed less than 12 months ago, frustrated, they say, by Casey's style and their inability to effect change.
Welsh and Bryan Wood both are Richmond premiership players, which will appeal.
The challengers cleverly point to membership targets of 40,000, to average crowds of 40,000, to blockbuster crowds of 60,000, to a return to "big four" status.
They are sexy figures, but, unfortunately for them, it's not that simple.
They also have promised to refrain from a slash and burn approach. The coach is secure, the chief executive Steven Wright is secure.
What they are promising is change in the way the business is run.
It's simply a question of governance, Macek says.
Who can you trust? Casey has exhausted supporter faith, Macek says; time for a credible alternative to be given an opportunity.
Macek and Humphris both are professionals in the fields of finance and governance.
There's no doubt many disaffected Richmond people, some willing to inject big money, would return under a new administration.
Macek and company also showed their good faith by promising Miller he would have their support if he withdrew from the election.
What the challengers offer is hope. How could things become any worse, many supporters ask.
It's a fair question.
The other relevant question for members is whether they can be content with the level of change being effected from within.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11651545%255E19742,00.html
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"Well, it's cost the club $5 million for his education. That's expensive."
There is a debt of $5 million, according to the Macek group.
This is twisting the figures IMHO. We don't have a debt (total assets-total liabilities) of $5m. Our debt is $745k out of a total income of $22m. Our working capital (current assets-current liabilites) is $5m in deficit and that's mainly attributable to our $3.3m overdraft. Our annual repayments on this overdraft will be around $430k. Macek's argument is that if the bank came to us on Monday and said they want all the money you owe us now then we'd be bankrupt and that we would not sell our property assets and alike (non-current assets) anyway so why bother including them in the budget figures. But then that would be the case for the vast majority of everyday families and businesses with mortgages and overdrafts. If banks closed out their loans even though people could easily meet the repayments then the whole economy would keel over along with the banks themselves. It's scaremongering!
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Tiger factions
By Caroline Wilson
The Age
December 12, 2004
This column has devoted copious amounts of space to Greg Miller over the years and it is fitting as the year draws to a close that we do so again as football's popular and charismatic wheeler-dealer puts the finishing touches on yet another deal.
While the industry remains baffled at Miller's unorthodox and - in our view - unworkable move onto Clinton Casey's election ticket, the Richmond football boss of two years has finally offloaded the problematic Ty Zantuck and looks to have picked up another ruckman, Trent Knobel, in the process.
As the votes flow in to decide who will be running the politically torn club after Christmas, Miller has convinced Casey that the Tigers can afford the 24-year-old former Saint at a base of around $160,000 and potentially $210,000 depending on the number of senior games he plays next year. This is despite Richmond's massive loss this year and the belief by some current board members that the club should consider putting out its hand for funds from the AFL's soon-to-be restructured competitive balance fund.
Subject to AFL approval, Knobel will join Richmond via its first pick in the pre-season draft thanks to some freed-up funds that have emerged via a sweetheart deal between the Tigers, Zantuck and the AFL - although the relationship between the first two parties has been anything but sweet. Knobel is a risk but a significantly better proposition than Steve McKee and his problematic groin. McKee was reportedly told on Friday he would not be returning to Tigerland.
Richmond is no longer committed to paying Zantuck for his off-field work behind the wheel of the club's membership van and so has been let off a significant amount of the footballer's 2005 contract. Whether Zantuck, with his increasingly troublesome reputation, is picked up remains to be seen, but the Tigers believe Port Adelaide and Essendon remain in the mix.
Whether it was Miller's fault that Zantuck was not traded in October for a far better return depends on who you talk to. Miller's reputation has always thrived on the fact that he carries his office in his head, but his fallibility, along with his expertise, has been exposed since he joined the struggling club after a lengthy stint as the Roos' CEO and accepted he was better at running a football department than an entire operation.
Or has he? The signs at Richmond are that Miller has been running the show for a variety of reasons and will continue to do so should Casey emerge victorious, despite the club's poor record under his leadership. CEO Steven Wright refused to comment on Miller last week and has continued to direct his staff to stay away from the politics.
Some have questioned why Miller has so steadfastly stuck behind Casey. Both men vehemently deny rumours of a financial partnership, although Miller did confirm last week that the company he owns with former Kangaroos marketing manager Francis Trainor has a deal with the club to supply caps as part of its membership package.
If Casey does win - and we should know the answer in a little over a week - then he will have Miller to thank for his victory. The latter appears to have convinced a remarkable number of Richmond supporters that he is the club's saviour, despite its poor record in 2003 and 2004, on the strength of his long-term recruiting.
Should Casey lose - and this columnist believes he does not deserve another term and questions his motivation in trying to stay - then Miller will go and Terry Wallace will be forced to find a new recruiting man.
Casey's failings have been reported here before, but little has been said about alternative president Charles Macek. Macek is a proven and impressive businessman, former sportsman and passionate Tiger. His only failings - as far as we can unearth - are that he served as a director in the past and is as straight as a die and a stickler for propriety in an operational sense. But perhaps they're not bad things when you've just lost more than $2 million in a year.
Macek's ticket boasts more skills and is more diverse than Casey's and again it is unfair to criticise the fact that Brendan Schwab and Peter Welsh served during the Casey-Frawley years when Casey ran his board largely as a one-man band and both directors quit because they had lost faith in him. The turnover of directors under Casey's five-year regime has been remarkable.
The challengers, too, appear united in their support of Wallace and his lieutenant, Paul Armstrong, along with Wright, who, under their guidance, would at least be clearly in charge.
Whatever the result, it appears a unanimous hope at Tigerland that the winning board is not divided and that one ticket or the other gets in, allowing Wallace to guide his new players out of the wilderness.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/11/1102625584492.html?oneclick=true
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Miller has convinced Casey that the Tigers can afford the 24-year-old former Saint at a base of around $160,000 and potentially $210,000 depending on the number of senior games he plays next year. This is despite Richmond's massive loss this year and the belief by some current board members that the club should consider putting out its hand for funds from the AFL's soon-to-be restructured competitive balance fund.
What does our 2004 finanical loss have to do with one new player getting $160-200k for 2005 when we are now well well below the salary cap ???. We would have been worse off financially if Ty remained. In fact I mentioned on here a rumour I heard about month of so ago that the reason why Richo was not listed as a veteran (when he could be) was so that our TPP stayed above the minimum AFL requirement of 92.5% of the salary cap. You can't pay less than 92.5% Caro ::).
It's funny how a line like "belief by some [nameless] board members" gets a gig but there's no reference to the annual report (actually approved by the board) that states we won't be needing to put our hand out for the CBF based on the conservative budget figures for 2005.
CEO Steven Wright refused to comment on Miller last week and has continued to direct his staff to stay away from the politics.
Let's not mention Miller has stated he has Wright's and Wallace's blessing.
Some have questioned why Miller has so steadfastly stuck behind Casey. Both men vehemently deny rumours of a financial partnership
So why keep bringing up this cheap-shot innuendo Caro?!
The latter (Miller) appears to have convinced a remarkable number of Richmond supporters that he is the club's saviour, despite its poor record in 2003 and 2004, on the strength of his long-term recruiting.
We aren't voting for Miller because we think he is the messiah. Not one person is the messiah. We are voting for him because he has been part of a new team over the past 4 months or so that has begun to change the 20+ year old culture of going round in circles at Richmond that has laid the foundations for future long-term success.
Macek's ticket boasts more skills and is more diverse than Casey's and again it is unfair to criticise the fact that Brendan Schwab and Peter Welsh served during the Casey-Frawley years when Casey ran his board largely as a one-man band and both directors quit because they had lost faith in him. The turnover of directors under Casey's five-year regime has been remarkable.
Turn it up Caro! ::) You expect us to believe Schwab and Welsh spent over 5 years on the board twiddling their thumbs and so aren't responsible for anything. Yeah good one! :rollin
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RICHMOND best-and-fairest winner Nick Daffy yesterday pledged his support for the rebel Big 4 group and said 90 per cent of retired Tiger players wanted Clinton Casey removed from office.
Daffy said he felt obligated to come forward in support of alternate president Charles Macek after what he described as Casey's lack of leadership in the past few years and his failure to bring former Tigers back to the club.
"There are a lot of past players who I played with for 10 years and 90 per cent of them have no confidence in Clinton Casey at all," Daffy said.
He believes people such as Macek and Bryan Wood have what it takes to turn the club around.
Daffy said he wanted to stress he was not a bitter former player angry at being traded to the Swans. Rather, he is a successful Melbourne businessman who will sit down with new CEO Steven Wright tomorrow to discuss ideas for a young, dynamic coterie group.
"Now I have businesses in Melbourne and think it is time some of us stood up and said what we feel," he said.
"I want to go to the footy with Brendon Gale and Matthew Richardson and Wayne Campbell and all these guys in years to come and support them, but also be there in another capacity."
Daffy, who played 165 matches in 10 years at Punt Rd, said many recently retired players had no input and no opportunity to help the club.
"We know that the current board over the last couple of years hasn't been inviting some past players and involving Richmond's tradition. That is not how clubs should be," he said.
"A guy like Peter Welsh, he wasn't just on the board, he was a mentor for someone like myself. I think a lot of ex-players at Richmond haven't come back because probably they haven't been welcome."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11664959%255E20322,00.html
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Dear Nicky,
You would have noticed when you were playing at the club there wasn't many former players around the club - it is the way of Richmond. Don't blame Casey for that. It's not a new phenomena that just suddenly came when came on board.
There is a player-mentor scheme happening at the moment Nick - get on board. Nothing's stopping you from coming back to the club. You're full of poo.
Another self-serving little character is Daffy. Get what you can out of footy with minimal return.
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Need to get a bit more publicicty eh Nick! There's nothing stopping you from contributing to the club and going to the footy now!!!
Gee it's funny how these guys have such selective memories. I have been around the club for over 20 years and we certainly haven't had many players around over the last decade. In fact over the last couple of years there has actually been more past players around the club than ever before.
The matches at Punt Rd between past players and sponsors have been an initiative of the last couple of years. A group of past players sit near us each week at the footy in the RFC reserved area. There's now the mentoring program.
Where do these guys get off?
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Hi Guys,
Like some of you, I'm just furious at Nick Daffy - who does he think he is.
Yes, he's a successful businessman, thanks to the good money he was on at RFC - that we paid him.
He talks about past players not being welcome yet he's going to meet Steven Wright tomorrow about a coterie group. Well it looks like we are getting past players in you idiot, and that's been organised by the CEO that the incumbent board appointed and the coach that Casey/Miller appointed.
Guys, you've all got a great sense of humour on this site and I'm rapt that most of you think what I think which is that we must give CC/GM, etc another 12 months.
However, I;m getting a little depressed about something - and I hope you can help me/cheer me up.
I think that the silent majority (not those of us on this site and BF), want the incimbent Board to remain - but here's my fear. What is the silent majority don't vote - I mean our h/hold has 4 votes and I've convinced a few non-political membesr to vote.
But I just heard a grab from Dermie talking to Miller last Thursday night that only about 60% of HFC members voted in 1996 when they were voting on a merger.
Are you all out there convincing people (who may not necessarily vote), to vote.
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ROFLMAO Daffy thinking anyone would want him back
ROFLMAO Daffy saying anything
ROFLMAO a newspaper reporting it
:rollin
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You would have noticed when you were playing at the club there wasn't many former players around the club - it is the way of Richmond. Don't blame Casey for that. It's not a new phenomena that just suddenly came when came on board.
There is a player-mentor scheme happening at the moment Nick - get on board. Nothing's stopping you from coming back to the club. You're full of pooh.
Haha :rollin
You beat me to it Moi - fair dinkum some of these players need to wake up and smell the coffee beans brewing.
Terry Wallace has introduced a mentor program - invited 50 odd former players the other week - hell he even invited Bryan Wood - now this gets reported at a Wallace initiative.
The fact that the same sort of thing hasn't been in place for the last 5 years is Clinton Casey's fault - give me a break.
What about pointing the finger at the previous coach for that one - a bit of consistency please >:(
I was speaking to a former player at THC luncheon earlier in the year and he was saying how he offered to help the younger players in a mentoring type role because he thought it may help them and finshed by saying that it didn't seem to be Frawley's way - perhaps the next time I see him I should tell him he was wrong - it wasn't Frawley it was Casey ::)
Are you all out there convincing people (who may not necessarily vote), to vote.
Ev eryone I know who didn't vote earlier this year will be voting this time round and have said to me they will be going with the CC ticket because of Miller
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And one more thing about Nick.....
Explain to me why when you had agreed to attend a pre-match function during the season at Telstra dome( you were supposed to arrive at about 1.00 to 1.30pm) with a number of other past players (Benny Gale, Scot Turner, Chris Naish) to name a couple you Nick didn't bother shoewing up until half time - give me a break or was that Casey's fault too
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Hey Nick.
You are the reason this club has been such a disgrace.
You screwed the club for big bucks, oh dont you remember. oh thats right , we paid for your salary when you went to Sydney.
Get a life Nick please !
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Hey Nick.
You are the reason this club has been such a disgrace.
You screwed the club for big bucks, oh dont you remember. oh thats right , we paid for your salary when you went to Sydney.
Get a life Nick please !
Daffy was an example of the Club's former policy of offering senior players $$$ and a long contract for only 1-2 good seasons (95 & 98). Maybe certain people have sour grapes that that gravy train was stopped ::).
And you wonder why the members use to bag you Nick!
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He is a successful Melbourne businessman
Boy that statement gives me the poos - couldn't find anyone more undeserving to be successful.
Nicky, nothing stopping you from being involved in the club, nothing stopping you attending functions (except you'd have to pay - no more freebies Nick).
I remember that day he rocked up at Colonial well, WP. Bloody nerve whining about never being asked back, after he had been invited last year and forgot to turn up.
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The loungeroom makes a kiiling out of all the Tiger games as Telstra. what a nerve
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I remember that day he rocked up at Colonial well, WP. Bloody nerve whining about never being asked back, after he had been invited last year and forgot to turn up.
Yeah - Scottie Turner bless him turned up on time as did Chris Naish and they were great. Nick staggered in at half time. They had all been at Nick's bar at Telstra - prior to the game.
As for a new Coterie - he's had plenty of time. Don't see you at tommy Hafey Club luncheons Nick. Why don't you support the ones that already exist seeing you are such a successful business man?
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From my New Concept R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-L-I-T-Y File ;D
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Tiger tensions
12 December 2004 Sunday Herald Sun
By SCOT PALMER
TWO former Richmond committeemen seeking to regain their places in the Tigers' bitter boardroom poll were slammed yesterday for resigning this year when they knew the club was in financial trouble.
Board member and chairman of the Jack Dyer foundation Don Lord accused Peter Welsh and Brendan Schwab of quitting when the going got tough.
In a stuff discussion on the election campaign being waged by the Charles Macek-led group against president Clinton Casey and his board, Lord said: "It's worth remembering that when the budget was approved 12 months ago Welsh and Schwab were included.
"In fact, Brendan was on the governance committee that recommended the budget to the board.
"They didn't resign when the budget was done, they resigned in March when we knew we were in financial trouble.
"The rest of us rolled up our sleeves and got stuck into it."
Joined by another boardman Gary March on radio SEN, Lord also disclosed some figures on the Richmond debt.
"The proceeds from the AFL for Waverley that will come to us in the next couple of years will see, by 2007, we have recovered the full cost of our development," Lord said.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11664957%255E19771,00.html
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Daffy is a wanka - clap clap clap clap :rollin
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It's worth remembering that when the budget was approved 12 months ago Welsh and Schwab were included.
"In fact, Brendan was on the governance committee that recommended the budget to the board.
"They didn't resign when the budget was done, they resigned in March when we knew we were in financial trouble. [/b]
Interesting! Well someone is telling porkies ;D
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A poster on tiger talk attended a forum at the Burnie Football Club Greg Miller guest speaker.
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/62779
Greg is keen to hand his board position to Rex is things pan out like he
hopes. I thought he appeared reasonably confident of keeping his job (Casey
winning) and I rather think most members there would vote for him and the
Casey ticket. There was little questioning of the past board performance
either in the group questioning or direct with him afterwards. I think most
will be clinging to the hope of the future and going with the present
administration.
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A poster on tiger talk attended a forum at the Burnie Football Club Greg Miller guest speaker.
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/62779
Greg is keen to hand his board position to Rex is things pan out like he
hopes. I thought he appeared reasonably confident of keeping his job (Casey
winning) and I rather think most members there would vote for him and the
Casey ticket. There was little questioning of the past board performance
either in the group questioning or direct with him afterwards. I think most
will be clinging to the hope of the future and going with the present
administration.
Not having a dig at you MT - But I dont think this one was rocket science - Miller (old fox to cunning) :cheers
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Not having a dig at you MT - But I dont think this one was rocket science - Miller (old fox to cunning) :cheers
LOL yeah you're right CUB but this is the first time I can recall he's said it publicly.
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Stick to slagging off Brendan Schwab MT.
Those players you've not got kind words for luv the club more than any of us, and showed it when they wore the jumper.
And Brendan Gale wasnt around 40 years ago.
Surely 1980 despite them being past players (and most of them champions) and entitled to their opinion they are not above scrutiny for what they say publicly. In any case I was just expressing how I'm sick of some of us around the Club continually reminiscing about the good ol' glory days of the 60s and 70s as a distraction to us being in the wilderness for the past 20 years. It just reminds us of how long we've been crap for. Do you think our young supporters (U25s) relate to most of these past players?! Do you think most Essendon fans idolize their past players ahead of champions like Hird and Lloyd?! Recognizing our past is important (although we as a Club seem to put the 1960s/70s sides way ahead of the 1920/30/40s teams who were more dominant IMO) but we shouldn't let it govern our Club's future. You need to move with the times or get left behind.
No need to slag these guys off. They gave something to the club. They at least earnt the right to say something about it.
Dont see why anyone would vote based on what they say.
But I would like to know why not one ex-premiership player has sided with Casey. Not one.
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But I would like to know why not one ex-premiership player has sided with Casey. Not one.
Last time I checked Rex Hunt was a premiership player and was going to join the Casey ticket. Graeme Bond is also a Premiership player and it's been reported he is backing Casey.
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Rex Hunt? He's not even a member :P
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Rex Hunt? He's not even a member :P
you didn't mention anything about being a member - you said there were no former Premiership players backing Casey. All I did was name 2 :cheers
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Interesting to note that on BigFooty they are running a pole on who people have voted for
Out of 96 voters to date, 51% of those have voted for the Casey ticket.
Suprisingly their is a similar result on the PRE website.
Early indications are the Casey is going to Romp it in. :santa :birthday :thumbsup :bow :) :cheers
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Yeah looks like the majority on the net have got behind Miller and subsequently Casey and co but given these forums combined represent less than 1% of the total Richmond membership I still wonder what Mum and Dad supporters are thinking. Remember they only see the nightly news, listen to SEN and 3aw and read what Caro and Mike tell them.
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Don Lord and Gary March on SEN 11/12/04
Asked by the presenter what do you say to supporters who say you blokes have been in for 5 years and the joint’s still going pretty bad?
Lord said only 4 people on Casey's ticket have been there longer than a year when the last budget was done. They have put their hand up and accepted responsibility for the poor financial performance this year and they've done a lot of work to turn that around. He also said that everyone needs to remember that Peter Welsh and Brendan Schwab were there too when the last budget was done. Brendan was on the governance committee that recommended the budget to the board. They didn’t resign when the budget was done; they resigned in March this year when we knew that we were in financial trouble. They got out when the going got tough while the rest of us rolled our sleeves up and got stuck into it. Lord reckons the incumbants have got it going the right way and deserve another chance. March said it a shame it's got so personal. He was still good mates with Woosha Welsh and the night before wished him luck.
They were asked to a give their election spiel - 85% sponsorships done. Finances had been turned around. Re-signed Motorola and TAC. Resurrected the Club and footy department. March commented that in the next couple of weeks they are to announce another major initiative in the sponsorship area. They’ve been working on a community project and some other areas to raise revenue. Had some pretty good initiatives out there on the table and we’re pretty close to signing them. Believes the Club is going places and they were asking for another 12 months to finish what they've started. March made the same promise as Casey to step down if they don't deliver.
They then spoke about the time they put into the Club.
Lord then brought up the debt in response to the alternative claims. Obviously had a bad financial year and therefore we have debt. But some of that debt relates to the buildings done at Punt Road. About $1.3m-1.4m. Fully underwritten by the JDF pledges that we already have in hand for the next 2 years and the proceeds from the AFL for Waverley due to us over the next couple of years. By the end of 2007, they claim we will have covered the whole cost of our redevelopment - about 4.5 million without going into the other club’s revenue sources. Lord said Casey bit the bullet 3 years ago to improve our facilities because they were crap. Lord said Wallace, Brown, Johnson, Simmonds, Wright would not have come to Richmond without the improvements. The Club was up ands running because of that.
Gary Krauss then rang in. Mentioned he was on the board under Daphne and the early days of Casey's regime. Spoke to Lord about remembering back to their time during SOS and it took 15 years to regain the debt situation from an overdraft of apporx. $2m. Said it's $5m now and the Club pays an interest bill of around $400k a year and that only 5 years ago there was no debt, there was $1.6m in the bank and a $600k profit. He said you can't see that that's a great achievement.
Lord responded by saying he didn't say that we've done well financially and that at the beginning of the interview he had said they had taken responsibility for the financial situation and that a $2m debt was incurred this year because we had a $2.2m loss.
Krauss mentioned it was a $8m operative to which Lord said yeah. Lord said the debt wasn't $5m but more like $4.5m and as he mentioned before part of it is to do with the buildings which is already fully funded. The rest is overdraft - $3.3m. Lord then continued to say that ths was in October when the cash flow is at it's worst. The overdraft is more like $1m now which still isn't good and he wasn't making excuses for the financial performance but with our premises we now have assets of $4.5m-5m which the Club didn't have a couple of years ago.
The presenter then mentioned winning games helps. Just look at St Kilda and Geelong (the latter in $7m of debt). March agreed winning turns things around but the mistake the Club (both this board and past boards) had made was budgeting for performances on the ladder better than what we could expect. This year (2005) we've budgeted to finish 16th. If we do better than that then we'll have a very good financial performance.
A caller then rang in mentioning about all the assets we've built up over the past 5 years and that you can't just look at the operational loss. Was a March fan and thanked him for his donations supporter groups which helped the Club. Said it was a positive that we've stayed away from change and bloodletting after the past 20 years.
SEN's number 1 Richmond fan Sarah rang in saying her whole family (all 3 of them) was voting for Casey. She mentioned Mithin and March piped in saying Mithin's been a terrific addition to the board.
Another caller asked about hearing of a contender promising money to the JDF but not paying. Lord said although he really shouldn't comment on that he would say that the members of Clinton's board collectively have pledged almost $300,000 to the JDF payable over a five year period while collectively the nine people on the other ticket would have pledged less than $10,000.
The final caller asked about whether it was true that board strategic plan for next year and the oncoming years had been outsourced and they haven't written their own plan for next year? Did it cost $80,000 to the Richmond members?
March said that's not exactly right. That what we did was we implemented a strategic plan with Crowe Lovett with the AFL supporting that. Crowe Lovett did the same for Melbourne, St Kilda, I believe also assisted the Western Bulldogs. It didn't cost anywhere near $80,000 and that it was less than half of that amount. The board had a huge involvement in it and the strategic plan was actually set by our CEO Steven Wright. The board implemented a lot of the recommendations made in the Crowe Lovett report. And it wasn't just a one year plan but it was about getting the club financially stronger through the next four or five years.
The same caller piped in that March, Lord,... had been there for 5 years and we were $5m in the red. That we're spending more money on trying to get the club going for the next future years. But if the club or the board isn't viable to write a strategic plan they must be saying something wrong with the way the club is heading.
March responded by disagreeing saying in all levels of business including his own, we outsource when we work on our strategic plans. Our management group set the strategic plans and had a huge import as did all the board members. He reminded the caller that only two current board members that have been there five years and the vast majority of the current board had been there less than three years. They have worked on the changes that are going forward.
Lord had the final say about uniting the club.? Lord said he was really quite annoyed about the way former champions of the Club were being pulled into this by the other side because he believed all it does is further divide the club. He said they've got former players that would support the Casey ticket as well but they weren't going down that path. Lord then mentioned about Billy Barrot ringing him up upset about being named as a alternative ticket supporter. Lord claims Barrot isn't supporting any ticket and will vote for a split board based on what Billy reckons are the best people. While they didn't encourage that he just wanted to mention that that was Billy's view. Lord then reminded everyone Tiger member to vote so the result was a true reflection of Richmond members.
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Billy's donkey vote
By Jon Pierik
15dec04
IN A stunning backflip, Richmond legend Bill Barrot has endorsed the re-election of president Clinton Casey - just a week after calling for change at Punt Rd.
The alternative Big 4 ticket last week announced the former champion centreman had emphatically endorsed its push for power after meeting with prospective leader Charles Macek and his key supporter, Bryan Wood.
But his ballot paper - leaked to the Herald Sun last night - has shown otherwise.
He sensationally voted 5-4 in favour of the Casey ticket as the bitter election campaign at Punt Rd draws to a tumultuous close.
Barrot supported Casey, Greg Miller, Don Lord, Gary March and John Matthies from the incumbent board, while from the rebel group his nephew, Trevor Barrot, was given a tick of approval along with Robert Edgley, Sharon Hall and Macek.
In a major swipe at the Macek camp, heavy-hitters Wood and Brendan Schwab were notable omissions.
Barrot's backflip could embarrass the Macek camp in the same way Casey was left red-faced when his bid to lure colourful commentator Rex Hunt on to his board backfired.
The Casey camp confirmed last night Barrot had shown it his ballot and provided a copy, which was later forwarded to the Herald Sun.
When contacted last night, Barrot admitted he had lodged his vote with returning officers PricewaterhouseCoopers, but wouldn't confirm or deny that the leaked ballot was his.
The ballot had his signature and club membership number.
Barrot said he was still angry with the Big 4 ticket for comments it attributed to him in a statement given to the Herald Sun last week.
"I sincerely believe that the Big 4 is a genuine team and the best equipped to take Richmond back to its rightful place at the top of the AFL competition," Barrot reportedly said at the time.
"I want to support the winning team and I want to support my teammates."
He later appeared in a photo with premiership teammates and Big 4 supporters idiot Clay and Francis Bourke.
But last night Barrot let rip at Wood.
"Bryan Wood was told by me that I would talk to the press personally and handle it in my political way," Barrot said.
"I am more than disappointed.
"I had a meeting with Clinton Casey and Greg Miller the week before and nothing came out of that meeting."
Asked which ticket he supported in the bloody election fight, Barrot replied: "I would like to see the best team take the field as directors for the football club."
Casey said he was delighted Barrot, who played in the 1967 and '69 premierships and was named as centreman in the club's Team of the Century, had voted for him.
"I am honoured a bloke like Billy Barrot has taken the time to vote for us," he said.
Macek categorically denied Barrot's claim that he hadn't made his initial comments.
"What he is filthy on is no one in the media rang him," he said.
"There was more than one of us there. When we took the words down, he said at the end of the meeting: 'I have made up my mind, you blokes are going to get my nod, these are the reasons'.
"He said, 'you can issue a press release'."
"We read back the words, in a sense.
"I think his ego is hurt."
All votes must be lodged by 5pm this Friday, with a result expected to be released on Saturday.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,11694756%255E23209,00.html
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Nice sound effects Moi. ;D
Strange title for the article. ???
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:gobdrop
Not so much who Billy voted for as that's his free choice but that he(?) provided a copy to the Casey side and that was leaked/given to the Herald-Sun. Why would you make a copy of your ballot paper ???! I know the ballot paper has our name and number on it but it's still meant to be a secret ballot :P.
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Err fish, Billy did a donkey vote :rollin
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Err fish, Billy did a donkey vote :rollin
OK. :-[
I hadn't thought of it as an actual donkey vote Moi. I don't think it is because Bill's votes appear to be very deliberate and considered.
I took the title as taking a swipe at someone or at the election. I can't work out if the swipe I perceive is at Bill, the club or the candidates Bill voted for. Maybe I'm just sensitive because of the disgraceful stuff that has been said throughout the campaign. >:(
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Not so much who Billy voted for as that's his free choice but that he(?) provided a copy to the Casey side and that was leaked/given to the Herald-Sun. Why would you make a copy of your ballot paper ???! I know the ballot paper has our name and number on it but it's still meant to be a secret ballot :P.
Agree MT but if you faxed your ballot paper in rather than posting it then you'd still have a copy ;)
Charlres Macek was on Sport927 this morning trying to explain things. :help
Trevor Barrot was on SEN trying to expalin things :help
And Billy Barrot will be on SEN this morning with KB to explain things :help
I haven't stopped laughing :rollin :rollin :rollin
And if I hear one more member from th BIG4 ticket bitch and moan about how bitter this election has become I am going to puke :banghead :banghead.
They are the ones who have taken the pot shots on what seems a daily basis - rewind to 30/11/04 when Bryan Wood & Peter Welsh were on SEN .... enough said ..... :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Agree MT but if you faxed your ballot paper in rather than posting it then you'd still have a copy ;)
LOL. Forgot about that little fact of technology WP :thumbsup.
There's always a danger for champion ex-players stepping into the arena of club officialdom and politics. They sadly can destroy the aura around them from their playing days through just a few of their actions. Just look at KB. From second favourite son 15 years ago to mostly supporter apathy towards him now.
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Tiger boss seems to have faithful on side
By Dan Oakes
The Age
December 16, 2004
Richmond president Clinton Casey strolled among the crowd yesterday at the club's final fans' training day for 2004, and if the mood of the members gathered at Punt Road Oval was any indication, he will be doing the same thing in the same role next year.
The overwhelming majority of Tigers faithful (http://www.theage.com.au/media/2004/12/15/1102787149431.html) spoken to by The Age said they intended voting or had voted for Casey's ticket as he battles Charles Macek's team for control of the club. Polling closes tomorrow and the result should be known by Saturday.
It is believed that Casey's team has surveyed more than 4000 members and found that it has the support of 65-75 per cent of them, a figure that fits with yesterday's findings.
The reasons given yesterday for supporting Casey were varied, but most people said that the club made infamous in the past 20 years for its turnover of coaches and administrators needed some stability in order to progress.
Brian Wethling, a member for 25 years, said he also admired Casey's refusal to walk away from the club despite its woes.
"At the end of the day, he put in a lot of money from his own pocket to keep Richmond above board," Wethling said. "He (also) tried to do things like put more money into the football department, getting Wayne Brittain and those sort of things...
"It never paid off, players got injured, players never responded to the coach's game plan, and he could have easily walked off, but he said 'no, I'm going to stay here and stick with the club'."
In a worrying sign for the opposition group, football operations manager Greg Miller's decision to join the Casey ticket also swayed many members. Macek said this week that his ticket feared that the "Miller factor" might get his opponents over the line.
"He didn't have Miller before," said Fred Hanlon,, a member for 10 years. "The Miller factor sold me. If (Miller) was going to say that he was going to stay with either party, I would have have picked and chosen, split (my vote). It would have been down the middle without Miller."
The feelings towards Miller were not entirely positive. One member who did not want to be named because of links to the club accused Miller of "putting a gun to the club's head" by saying he would walk away from it if the Macek ticket triumphed.
"I think it's an absolute disgrace, 'Vote for me or I'll walk away'. Who said that Greg Miller is our saviour? In my opinion he's not. What has he done for this club?" the member asked.
"To date he's thrown a bucket of money at Nathan Brown, who's a fine acquisition, but nothing else."
Other Macek voters said that they were influenced by the recent news of Richmond's poor financial performance. Casey announced recently that the club had lost $2.2 million this year, leaving it $3 million in debt.
William Whittle, a member for 13 years, said the board deserved to be thrown out on the basis of the club's accounts.
"If you're going to have two years like we've just had and lose $3 million, there's something wrong. Why would you vote for something wrong?" Whittle said.
"That's the bottom line; you've missed out on the field and you've missed out off the field. If this crowd hadn't come along and opposed them, we'd still be going downhill."
The fans were at Punt Road not only to see their team train, but also to watch the opening of the Jack Dyer Foundation walkway of honour, which commemorates every player throughout Richmond's history with a brick.
The honours were done by Richmond's oldest former player, 96-year-old Sid Dockendorff, and Alice Hayden, a member for 72 consecutive years.
Hayden would not be drawn on who she voted for, but admitted she was disappointed with the club's recent performance on and off the field.
"Let's hope from now on there's unity on and off the field," she said.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/15/1102787144549.html
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Rebels cool on Barrot
By Michael Stevens
Herald-Sun/The Australian
December 16, 2004
BILLY Barrot's seeming about-face in the Richmond board election would not damage the chances of the rebel group, spokesman Charles Macek said last night.
"I think it is tragic that someone is using what is allegedly his ballot paper for political purposes," Macek said.
"To the extent that anyone thinks it might influence the election, I think they're mistaken because I suspect the vast majority of people who are going to vote have voted."
Barrot, one of the Tigers' favourite sons, initially sided with the Big 4 group in a bid to oust incumbent president Clinton Casey.
But in an about-face, revealed in the Herald Sun yesterday, he allegedly voted 5-4 in favour of the Casey ticket.
Macek said last night the revelation had not damaged his campaign, but rather Barrot himself.
"Everyone who knows Billy knows his health situation," Macek said. "That's why Bryan Wood and I took so much care to ensure that there was no misunderstanding.
"And it's just unfortunate that he didn't get to speak to anyone in the media, even though the media arranged the photo shoot (with fellow Tiger champions Francis Bourke and idiot Clay).
"He's disappointed that he wasn't able to get his perspective across, and I can understand that."
Macek said it was sad Barrot's name was being used for political purposes because it didn't reflect well on the champion centreman.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11703420%255E23211,00.html
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Macek said it was sad Barrot's name was being used for political purposes because it didn't reflect well on the champion centreman.
:rollin @ this comment.
Well they say a week is a long time in footy. Now which group only a week ago was parading Barrot around for their own political purposes: ::)
MEDIA STATEMENT
Thursday, 9 December 2004
BOURKE BARROT CLAY TEAM UP AGAIN TO SUPPORT BIG 4
The greatest centreline in the history of Australian Rules Football – Bourke, Barrot and Clay – has teamed up once again to support the Tigers’ Big 4 team in this month’s Richmond Football Club election.
Dual premiership centreman, Bill Barrot, today added his voice to the many Tiger legends already supporting the Big 4 team and completed the famous centreline of the 1967 and 1969 Richmond Premiership sides.
http://69.72.156.24/~richmond/downloads/bourkebarrotclay.pdf
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It just goes to show what clowns Macek and co really are.
Nobody knew of Macek 3 months ago. I cant beleive a person would make comments as he has ::)
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Agree MT but if you faxed your ballot paper in rather than posting it then you'd still have a copy ;)
LOL. Forgot about that little fact of technology WP :thumbsup.
:rollin :rollin
The only reason I remembered this is because I faxed my vote - maybe I should leak my ballot paper on this site ;D
Anyone want to see it :lol :rollin :shh ;D
Then again ..... If you close your eyes and think real hard anyone should be able to get a mental picture of which boxes are ticked ;D :lol :rollin ;D :lol :rollin
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Macek said last night the revelation had not damaged his campaign, but rather Barrot himself.
"Everyone who knows Billy knows his health situation," Macek said. "That's why Bryan Wood and I took so much care to ensure that there was no misunderstanding.
Huh? Then can I ask why if you were so concerend by Billy's health situation did you use or get Billy involved?
R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y :banghead :banghead
Macek said it was sad Barrot's name was being used for political purposes because it didn't reflect well on the champion centreman.
Who's political purposes Charles? >:(
R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y :banghead :banghead
It just goes to show what clowns Macek and co really are.
It is all about R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y LGO and their inablility to accept it
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BILLY Barrot's seeming about-face in the Richmond board election would not damage the chances of the rebel group, spokesman Charles Macek said last night.
:sleep :P
The only thing that has damaged the Alternative group is the Alternative group themselves.
Billy Barrot was on SEN with KB yesterday and it seems that this is no back flip at all. Barrot said that he saw Bryan Wood at a function the day before and wasn’t prepared to shake Wood’s hand until Wood agreed with him that he (Barrot) didn’t consent to any comments printed in the paper a week ago (which said that he had endorsed the Alternative group).
Barrot seemed more upset by being misrepresented than he was anything else. And said the only thing he had agreed to was a picture with his former teammates and not any comments that had been printed.
Wood finally agreed and Barrot then shook his hand.
Less than 30 hours to go until the longest political bun fight in the history of anything is finally over. Couldn't they just keep it short and sweet and cut it to the bare 6 months?
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Although it surprises me to say it - this is actaully a very fair article from todays H/Sun by Mike Sheahan :o :o he makes some valid points
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Running a club harder than it looks
16 December 2004 Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan
BILL Barrot's sudden switch of allegiance in the Richmond power struggle illustrates the nonsense of the focus on past players in election campaigns.
In the space of a week, Barrot has been paraded in the media as a high-profile supporter of Big 4 ticket and, all of a sudden, a supporter of Clinton Casey and Greg Miller when it mattered most: on the ballot paper.
Barrot was pictured with Richmond Team of the Century teammates Francis Bourke and idiot Clay in support of the Big 4, but reportedly was furious about quotes attributed to him at the time and jumped ship.
Casey and Miller have mustered little if any support from past players, but Barrot's ballot paper, which gives five of his nine votes to the Casey team, still made them extremely happy.
With due respect to Barrot -- he is a dual premiership centreman -- it is 34 years since he played for the Tigers, and his involvement since has been minimal.
Strangely, the Big 4 group has run a campaign based almost entirely on the call for change from former players from Bourke down.
Nick Daffy voluntarily joined the fray at the weekend, voicing his public support for the challengers on the basis of the disregard he said the Casey administration group had shown former players.
Daffy should be pushing himself, and his credentials, as a young businessman with a growing reputation in hospitality and marketing.
Why, though, is so much stock based on the views of former players?
They are heroes of the club, legendary names, but they are legend for their deeds inside the fence: running, jumping, marking and kicking. Winning premierships.
The game in the boardroom is played under a totally different set of rules. It calls for different skills, for clear thinking and imagination. For business acumen. For old-fashioned nous.
It is totally immaterial whether a bloke played 300-odd games or kicked goals from the centre or was a club captain 100 years ago.
It is a matter of understanding the demands of running a business that turns over roughly $20 million in a highly competitive market.
Of course old players want to see their club successful, but how can they possibly know what's happening from afar. The calls for change at Richmond have come from as far away as Queensland.
That simply is someone saying they're tired of seeing the club at the bottom of the ladder, which is fair enough. It doesn't, though, give any hint at all of a solution.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11704680%255E19742,00.html
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I was as shell shocked as you WP. I was even thinking of posting it. :o
But I haven't recovered from the shock yet. I seen it, I read it, but I still don’t believe it.
Wonder if Caro's read this? :rollin
She'll never agree. :P ;D
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"Although it surprises me to say it - this is actaully a very fair article from todays H/Sun by Mike Sheahan he makes some valid points" WP
When I read this I just knew Clinton was going to win in a landslide. Mike only ever jumps on the popular cause and I think he's seen the writing on the wall.
:cheers
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Less than 30 hours to go until the longest political bun fight in the history of anything is finally over.
Less than 30 hours to go. Eight months this has been going on and I cannot believe it has been that long.
Perhaps that is why I have been very slack this week (when at home) going through all the emails I have been receiving frm different Tiger friends over this election. As we know everyone has an opinion - as you would know from this site some of the views on this I have agreed with others (Hi 1980 ;D) I haven't - the beauty of democracy :thumbsup
Anyway I have received copies of so many letters in the last week and half it hasn't been funny - I received a link to the BIG4 website and letter that was written by Charles Macek see the link:
http://69.72.156.24/~richmond/downloads/Charles_letter_to_fans3.pdf
Late last week I received a letter from another friend in reply to the Macek letter. It is extremely well written and highlights a number of points regarding why my friend has supported the Casey ticket. I have got the OK to post it here: I will admit that I have been debating whether to post it here because I didn't want to be accused of using a friends words to push my views on others but as I said it is very well written and concise in its message.
ED Note: Names for obvious reason have been deleted ;)
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Dear xxxx,
I read with interest the letter from Charles Macek, received from yourself, and this in turn has made me type a letter to yourselves from my heart.
There are a few points that I feel need some clarification, re: the above letter.
1.0) His main point is one of Fiscal Responsibility.
There really is no excuse in my opinion for the $2 million debt.
However, based upon that premise, it is paramount that we all understand who is best equipped to handle this situation.
There is no question that the current board have done their sums correctly.
They have budgeted, through Steven Wright, and with the AFL approval for a $150,000.00 loss for 2005.
It is important to understand the basis of this budget.
The budget is based upon Terry Wallace being singularly unsuccessful for season 2005, and the team finishing in 16th Position.......Possible, but not likely.
It is also based on their being a downturn in membership, and a status quo in corporate support and coterie groups.
BECAUSE OF THIS SCENARIO, THE FINANCIAL TURNAROUND WILL TAKE PLACE.
Already, the club has achieved 85% of budgeted corporate support, mainly through TAC and Motorola.
Already, the club has achieved more than 100% of budget, from existing Coterie Groups, with the addition of the NEW Richmond Executive Group, set to tip in an additional amount conservatively of $300,000.00.
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the letter.. cont
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Membership is 15% up on this time last year.
Significant savings have been achieved in the Football Department. (I am trying to get a figure on this, but believe it to be around $700,000.00)
The above did not happen by accident, and regardless of who wins, the building blocks have been put in place.
Now ask yourself, who put the above foundations in place.
The C.E.O. & the existing board put them in place.
There is also no doubt, that the future of the Football Club has never been brighter.
We appear finally, to have everyone within the Footy Club, pulling in the one direction, and then we get the alternative ticket claiming to offer a fresh direction!
The question most seasoned Richmond supporters would ask, is to where?
There is no question that 12 months ago, the alternative ticket, had reason for a change in direction.
However, in the past 9 months, the current board has made significant personnel appointments, to set the club in the right direction.
New board members in Maurice O'Shannassy C.E.O. of Merrill Lynch and Rob Dalton, Senior Partner from Ernst & Young have been added to the board.
Steven Wright has been appointed C.E.O.
Terry Wallace has been appointed Senior Coach.
Paul Armstrong has been appointed Footy Manager.
All the above have been achieved with the new board. I am not so sure the alternative ticket could have achieved this.
Lets be honest, Charles Macek, Michael Humphris, Brendan Schwab and Peter Walsh have all been there before.
Where did Richmond finish, when these guys were on the board? Look at our history to see what they achieved in the years they were on the board, and what input they made.
Regardless, of what you think, Clinton Casey and the current board actually made DESCISIONS, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS.........Admittedly, they got it wrong.
However, there is no question that based upon the above information; they have finally got it right.
Why do we want to go back to the drawing board and start again?
Especially, as the cost of going back to the drawing board, will be the loss of Greg Miller. Do not underestimate his contribution to the club, in terms of ensuring we appointed Terry Wallace as the new coach, and the clean way in which we parted with Danny Frawley, especially when compared to Hawthorn, Western Bulldogs and Adelaide.
We cannot afford, at this point in the Richmond Football Club to lose the momentum and direction we have attained.
This is inevitable under a new board, or a split board.
What puzzles me, is that key members of the alternative ticket, could have had a seat on the current board, thus avoiding the potential for disharmony, that is certain to follow, no matter who wins. However, they refused this offer, and essentially they are saying they want a take over the Club, no matter what the cost! THE OLD RICHMOND PHILOSOPHY LINGERS ON IN TRUE TIGER TRADITION, with the alternative ticket.
A question that has never been satisfactorily answered by both Brendan Schwab and Peter Welsh, is why they sat on the board for so long, being a key part like every other board member, of the accumulated losses, and then decided to jump ship.
What is more interesting is that Peter Welsh cited “personal business pressures ", as being a key reason for his resignation. These pressures must have miraculously changed, for him to be wanting to be a part of the Richmond Board again.
Brendan Schwab claimed that he could not get financial information from Clinton Casey, and yet he sat on the board, not supposedly asking any questions until early this year. What are both their responsibilities as board members, for their part in these accumulated losses?
At least Clinton Casey and the rest of the board members stood firm, and have admitted their mistakes. Have you heard them blaming Schwab and Welsh, for their part in the decision making.
I do not believe under any circumstances, that you can afford to vote these two persons on to any Richmond Board, and they are on the alternative ticket.
Bryan Wood Football Director. Where has he been for the past twenty years, when we needed him.............at Essendon.
I was at a Hafeys Ambush pre game lunch, some three years ago, in a restaurant in Bridge Road, before a Richmond - Essendon game. He stood up and made a speech, about Essendon and Sheedy. There was no mention of Richmond. There couldn’t be, he did not know anything about the place. In fact at that lunch, he was asked the question why he was not a member of the "Past Players". He could only have become a member in the past two years, and now he wishes to be Football Director.
I have no problems with either Macek or Humphris credentials. The only question I ask is why they didn’t negotiate with the current board, for seats. They certainly could have had them, and we could have saved all this NEGATIVITY, directed at the Club.
The other people on the ticket, I do not know. However, none of them seem to offer anything we have not already got.
All I ask is, that when you vote, consider the negative force which will inevitably be created, by the selection of the alternative ticket, and the consequent reduction of positive momentum gained to date, by the current board.
GO THE MIGHTY TIGES!
Best Regards,
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And with my mates letter that is where I will end my debate on this topic. :thumbsup
For anyone who is eligble and hasn't voted - please vote because this time round it is so very important
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Thanks for that WP :).
That letter pretty much sums up my feelings and the reasons why I voted for the incumbants.
Thank goodness this election will be all over in less than 24 hours and we can concentrate on the footy in 2005.
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Miller may stay even if Casey departs
By Dan Oakes
The Age
December 17, 2004
As the conclusion to Richmond's bloody boardroom battle approaches, Greg Miller has said he might stay on at the club even if Clinton Casey is not returned as president.
The club's popular football operations manager threw caution to the wind two weeks ago when he hitched himself to Casey's wagon and entered the election fray. If Miller is elected, he will combine his board position with his existing role.
If Charles Macek's opposition ticket emerges triumphant, Miller said he would walk away from the club, a stance that Macek and his lieutenant Brendan Schwab emphatically endorsed. This was widely interpreted to mean that Miller's future was linked to Casey's success in the election, voting for which finishes today.
But yesterday, Miller said his problem lay with Macek and Schwab rather than the rest of the rebel ticket. This leaves open the possibility, albeit remote, that if Casey lost the presidency and control of the board, but Schwab and Macek also were not elected, Miller could be persuaded to stay on as football manager whether or not his tilt at the board succeeds and regardless of who ends up controlling the club.
If the other members of Macek's ticket are elected and end up with a majority on the board, Miller's popularity with the members and his football smarts could make giving him his marching orders difficult.
"It's true to say, and I've always said, that you'll just have to wait and see what the make-up of the board is," Miller said.
"I couldn't categorically say whether I could or couldn't work with them (the other members of Macek's ticket). They're probably fine people but I don't know them. There is no doubt that Brendan has questioned my integrity. It's true that if (Schwab and Macek) were involved with a ticket that is in the majority, it would be untenable for me, but if it was a Trevor Barrot and Sharon Hall, you never know."
Miller said that while he was seen as a Casey loyalist, he wanted what was best for Richmond, and that for the club to change direction now would be disastrous. Although the Tigers are $3 million in debt and finished 16th last season, Casey and Miller claim that the foundations for a revival have been laid.
"My loyalty is to the members, that's where it is. I respect the job Clinton's done, obviously, and I know that he's going in the right direction," Miller said.
"Clinton Casey is not all things to all people, it's very hard to be that at a footy club because there are so many levels.
"But certain parts of the job, the sponsors, the AFL, he's very good.
"Everyone learns out of all of this and he'll be an even better president next year, if he's given the chance."
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/16/1102787211459.html
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Casey closes in
By Jon Pierik
The Australian
December 17, 2004
GREG Miller's decision to run for a seat on the Richmond board looks to have been the masterstroke that will see Clinton Casey re-elected as Tigers president.
As voting draws to a close at 5pm today, the feeling last night among members of the board and the alternative Charles Macek ticket, other former board members, supporters and those close to the club was that Casey would prevail.
It appears Casey was facing an embarrassing loss until Miller, the club's director of football and a popular figure among supporters, aligned himself with his president and announced on December 1 he would run for a seat.
Casey and Macek may find out their individual fates as early as tonight but the remaining candidates will be told by returning officer PricewaterhouseCoopers between 2-2.30pm tomorrow after the count has been scrutinised.
While most of the Casey ticket appear likely to return, the new board may comprise up to three of Macek's ticket, ensuring an interesting few days of manoeuvring before Wednesday's annual general meeting.
There are some candidates Casey clearly cannot work with - notably Brendan Schwab and Bryan Wood - and they would most likely step aside if they won a seat but Macek did not.
However, there are some on Macek's ticket whom Casey might consider working with, depending on whether they pledge support and unity.
"I am a lot more confident today than I was a month ago," Casey said last night.
"Now that a lot of the members have had an opportunity to see first-hand the changes and positive steps forward that have been taken in the last six months, they are saying it may be time for a bit more stability."
Casey and his board have phoned as many as 5000 of the 22,500 adult voting members during the campaign.
Miller, who said he would clear his desk within a fortnight if he didn't win a seat and Macek claimed power, was confident of a successful result. "I am confident, but people only tell you what you want to hear," he said.
Macek said he was optimistic but not confident of claiming power.
"I have never, ever been confident," he said. "People inside the club, around the club, connected to the club, are giving us unbelievable support and encouragement.
"But, as for the rank-and-file grassroots supporter, it's hard to gauge how they are going to be influenced by issues such as Greg Miller entering the campaign."
Macek said he was "disappointed and disgusted" with some of Casey's tactics.
He was particularly upset that the ballot of club legend Bill Barrot had been leaked to the Herald Sun, a tactic he described as "unprecedented".
The new board will be introduced at the AGM.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11712849%255E23211,00.html
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Macek, you are a fair dinkum clown. How can you complain about dirty tactics when you have both Wood and Welsh going to the media with there main objectives and policy was to slag the current board, oh, dont you remember poor old fella.
As this campaign continues, the cream has risen to the top
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As prmoised: No comment :-X :-X :-X :-X
;D ;D ;D :rollin
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To borrow Ox's now famous line...... and applying it to this bloody election............
Not long to go now :bow :bow :bow :bow
;D
2 hours and counting
Thank god! :thumbsup
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Oh gee, i wish it would go on for another 2 months - so interesting lol ::)
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It's 5.03pm
It's over
:cheers :sleep :bow :thumbsup :cheers :cheers :help :help :cheers :cheers
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Who woulda thought that when this started way back when that it would take this long to reach a conclusion. :banghead
If the final result and long-term effects turn out to be worth all the fuss then that’s all that matters. :thumbsup
All the same, wouldn’t want to go through that again in a hurry. There has to be a better way. :banghead
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Casey confident after record voter turnout
5:34:23 PM Fri 17 December, 2004
Paul Gough
Sportal
Richmond president Clinton Casey believes a record turnout by Tigers' members has ensured a clean sweep for his nine man ticket in the club's election.
Up to 14,000 of the club's 22,500 members were expected to have voted by the close of voting on Friday afternoon, with the result expected to be declared over the weekend ahead of Wednesday's annual general meeting.
Casey is confident the record turnout of voters, combined with the decision of popular football director Greg Miller to join his ticket, and the number of positive steps the club has taken since the end of last season will ensure all nine of his ticket will be elected to the new board from the field of 20 candidates.
In contrast, his challenger Charles Macek told Sportal on Friday he believed the result would end up with a split board, with neither Casey or Macek's own nine person ticket likely to get all its members elected.
Casey told Sportal the massive turnout of voters was a huge positive for his bid to extend his five-year presidency, after one of the most bitter election fights in the club's history.
"There is no way that number of members could believe we are on the wrong track given what we have done in the last six to eight months," he said.
"You will always have some people who will be negative towards you and if only 3,000 people had voted it would be a concern."
"But with that huge number voting it shows they are behind the direction we are going."
Casey admits his board had made mistakes at the end of a year in which the club not only lost $2.2 million but also finished with the wooden spoon for the first time since 1989.
But he said Miller's huge show of faith by risking his position as football director - Miller has said he will quit the club if Macek wins control - to join Casey's ticket proved to the members the club was now back on the right track.
And he believes the members have decided to back Miller's decision.
"They (the Richmond members) admire Greg's experience and they have voted to say they approve of the direction he has taken."
Since the end of last year Miller has enticed highly-respected former Western Bulldogs coach Terry Wallace to the club, while the Tigers not only snared Troy Simmonds from Fremantle but also some of the country's best teenage talent in the national draft - led by number one pick Brett Deledio and excitement machine Richard Tambling.
However Macek believes the decision by Miller to align himself with Casey and run for the board has divided the Tigers' supporter base and distracted the campaign away from the most important issues.
"It's what I call wedge politics," he said of Miller's involvement.
"His involvement means the election has now been about personalities rather than the fundamental issues such as the future direction of the club and our financial position."
Macek admitted that Miller's involvement had made it difficult for his ticket to clean sweep the election.
But he believed there were enough Richmond members upset with the state of the club to ensure that at least some of his ticket was elected to the board.
"The most likely result is it will end up a split board," Macek told Sportal.
"I can't see either side even getting seven or eight of its (nine person) ticket elected."
"It will probably be a 5-4 or 6-3 split."
Both Macek and Casey admitted such a situation would be the worst possible result for the club and would result in intense negotiations between the rival groups ahead of Wednesday's annual general meeting.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=181248
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Casey closed
18 December 2004
Herald Sun
Jon Pierik
Macek carpet ride looks set for crash landing
CLINTON Casey is expected to be re-elected as Richmond president today, with early counting suggesting he will enjoy a landslide victory.
More than 12,000 votes had been lodged with returning officer PricewaterhouseCoopers (PWC) late yesterday afternoon, with a further 1000 expected to arrive before ballots closed at 5pm.
The Casey camp was confident each of its nine-man ticket would be elected, avoiding a potentially disastrous split board at Punt Rd.
Early reports suggested up to three members of Charles Macek's alternative ticket would win considerable support. But the rolling count has shown otherwise, with Casey to remain in charge for a sixth year.
"There are two things we wanted: everyone to vote and everyone to be decisive in their vote," Casey said.
"It appears both of those things have happened.
"This will be the biggest turnout in the polls in the history of the club.
"It appears they have been voting entirely for one ticket.
"It won't be a split decision."
Ballots had been sent to 22,500 club members.
The rival tickets will learn their fate this afternoon after the count has been scrutinised.
Macek's ticket was expected to have five scrutineers run through the poll, while a confident Casey said he wouldn't send anyone.
The Casey ticket will meet from 2pm today at a Richmond pub, where each member will learn his fate over the telephone from PWC. Casey has had a rocky relationship with some members of his ticket, and it remains to be seen whether all will continue to serve on the board.
There has been constant speculation Greg Miller will step aside and concentrate solely on his role in the football department, provided Casey holds on to power.
A reflective Macek wouldn't concede defeat last night but said his Big 4 ticket would have won in a "landslide" had club employees been allowed to comment through the bloody campaign.
Tigers chief executive Steven Wright has remained silent through the election and advised his staff to do the same.
"I remain optimistic and buoyed by the continuing support that we have got from inside the club," Macek said.
"It's unfortunate that some people tend to think we have only got the support of past players.
"They are the only ones who can come out and talk publicly, unless you are Greg Miller.
"There are many other people inside the club today who if they had come out and supported us, it would have been a landslide, in our view.
"But they have done the right thing by staying out of the politicking.
"Anyone who loves the club and who has contributed to the club, such as playing in the past, is entitled to have their say. You have earned that if you've played 300 games, like Francis Bourke.
"It's still significant that no one of that ilk has endorsed the Casey camp, notwithstanding the kerfuffle over Billy Barrot's ballot paper."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11722842%255E20322,00.html
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Humble lesson for Tiger leader
18 December 2004
Herald Sun
By MIKE SHEAHAN
Mike Sheahan's view: THE return of Clinton Casey and the majority of his team at Punt Rd now seems a formality. Come this afternoon, when the election result becomes official, Casey should still be president of the Richmond Football Club.
If so, he will feel both relieved and vindicated, and probably a trifle smug.
That's understandable. He has been under heavy attack for several months and might have lost office against a fresher, more aggressive, issues-driven opposition.
He is entitled to indulge himself in the moment, but he would be wise to heed the lessons of recent times as soon as any hangover passes.
If Casey is returned, it won't be because of his record. It will be a supporter cry for stability, and will reflect the respect afforded Greg Miller by the Richmond membership, and the lack of appeal and ideas of the Macek group.
As odd as it may sound, Charles Macek's team included too many reminders of the rocky past.
It undersold the membership by basing its campaign on the views of players from the glory days of the 1960s and '70s.
Assuming Casey is returned, he now has to learn to embrace all sections of the Richmond family: fellow directors, the staff, supporters, both corporate and rank-and-file, and past players.
He has to be more things to more people. More accommodating, less abrasive towards those who don't share all his views.
The humble, common touch of his predecessor Leon Daphne would be a useful example.
Casey needs to share the load, too, to involve more people. A board of nine may be cumbersome, but that's what he's got. He should involve all of them.
The stinging criticism from several former directors, particularly Brendan Schwab and Peter Welsh, was that Casey ran his own race, wouldn't listen. When a club is going poorly, dissent festers under that style of government.
Fortunately, everyone at Richmond seems happy with new chief executive Steven Wright, the man who should steer the ship on a daily basis.
His main task is to stop the financial haemorrhaging that has claimed more than $3 million in two years.
He also needs to be watchful of the Past Players' Association, reminding it of its purpose.
Mike Perry and company do a fine job. They are important as a group built largely on the glory days of the 1960s and early '70s.
They should be seen as heroes, mentors and confidants; they may need a gentle reminder they are not a powerful political faction.
Richmond has to regroup from here. Its dismal recent history makes it beholden on everyone with Richmond at heart to pull together.
The Tigers hardly are likely to take inspiration from Collingwood, but the fact is Eddie McGuire can deliver a spray that melts paint. Behind closed doors.
Yet, on public display, he is the amiable president of what he sells as the world's greatest sporting club with the world's most passionate, loyal supporters.
A final word on the election. Miller was wrong to join Casey's ticket, yet he probably decided the result.
If he is elected to the board, he has a duty to sit on the board. Not forever, but for a respectable period.
If and when the place is functioning smoothly, he should step down and concentrate on what he does best, run a football department.
G. Miller out, R. Hunt in, perhaps.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,11722845%255E20322,00.html