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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 14, 2011, 09:30:10 PM
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RFC Fan Forum Night
Tuesday, October 18, 2011 from 6:00 PM to 7:00 PM (GMT+1000)
Punt Rd Oval, Richmond, Victoria
The Richmond Football Club invites fans to participate in our upcoming Fan Forum Night.
Come along to Punt Road, enjoy drinks and nibbles and talk footy with your fellow RFC fans and some special football club guests.
Attendance is first come first serve.
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What question to ask this time around to get pulled aside afterwards for a private chat :lol.
No mention of what area of the club is going to be discussed. I'm guessing it will either a review of trade week or perhaps a sneak peek at the new logo.
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What question to ask this time around to get pulled aside afterwards for a private chat :lol.
No mention of what area of the club is going to be discussed. I'm guessing it will either a review of trade week or perhaps a sneak peek at the new logo.
what did you ask cameron MT?
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what did you ask cameron MT?
Basically why didn't we tank in 2009-10 for priority picks when our season was shot and we only had 1-2 wins at the midpoint of each of those seasons. It went down well as Tucky and TM can attest :lol.
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what did you ask cameron MT?
Basically why didn't we tank in 2009-10 for priority picks when our season was shot and we only had 1-2 wins at the midpoint of each of those seasons. It went down well as Tucky and TM can attest :lol.
Like a lead balloon Al. :lol :rollin :lol
Poor old Craig Cameron was squirming like a sidewinder. Didn't know where to go. :help
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:lol
mt got the brush off 2-3 times CC was getting little short with him safe to say, but mt kept at it like a fat kid all over some kfc ;D
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Since I live up the country I can't get to the Fan Forum night but here's something I prepared earlier:
The ongoing process of developing a coaching structure at Richmond invites interest.
During the course of the 2011 season the following have been thrown up:
- Wayne Campbell has finished the last year of a 3 year contract.
- David Newett has not been re-signed beyond 2011.
- Tim Clarke has not re-signed beyond 2011.
- Neil Craig resigned from Adelaide.
- Dean Bailey was sacked from Melbourne.
- Richmond announced 2 more development coaches were to be hired.
- Richmond announced Newett and Clarke would leave.
- Richmond offered Craig an assistant coaching position – he chose to join Melbourne as Director of Sports Performance.
- Ross Smith was appointed as a coach after leaving Hawthorn.
- Richmond offered Bailey an assistant coaching position – he chose to join Adelaide as Strategy & Innovation Manager.
- Mark Williams was appointed as a coach after leaving Melbourne.
My queries are:
If two more development coaches were required and Newett and Clarke were leaving, what steps have been made to source these four new development coaches since we have known about our requirements for some months at least?
If Craig and Bailey were considered possible assets, why were they not approached before the end of the season considering they were both unemployed/available at the end of July?
Was a review of our coaching structure performed in 2011 and did it conclude that we needed an experienced senior assistant and thus we approached Craig and Bailey?
In discussions with both, was any other position other than assistant coach discussed, since they both subsequently took jobs outside the normal coaching structure at other clubs?
Is Wayne Campbell being re-signed and if not, is his position being taken by either Smith or Williams?
Are Smith and/or Williams assistant or development coaches?
If they are both assistant coaches are we then moving to a different, expanded structure?
Does this mean we will still have four new development coaches or are Smith and Williams taking the two extra slots that were announced as development coaches?
Are we still going to employ at least two development coaches and, if so, what steps have been taken to employ them?
Given that we are required to employ an extra three people in the football department to meet minimum AFL standards, are these to be in any areas other than coaching?
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I've decided to go ;D
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what did you ask cameron MT?
Basically why didn't we tank in 2009-10 for priority picks when our season was shot and we only had 1-2 wins at the midpoint of each of those seasons. It went down well as Tucky and TM can attest :lol.
Like a lead balloon Al. :lol :rollin :lol
Poor old Craig Cameron was squirming like a sidewinder. Didn't know where to go. :help
:lol
mt got the brush off 2-3 times CC was getting little short with him safe to say, but mt kept at it like a fat kid all over some kfc ;D
:lol
Would have been worth seeing i think
cheers fellas
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what did you ask cameron MT?
Basically why didn't we tank in 2009-10 for priority picks when our season was shot and we only had 1-2 wins at the midpoint of each of those seasons. It went down well as Tucky and TM can attest :lol.
Like a lead balloon Al. :lol :rollin :lol
Poor old Craig Cameron was squirming like a sidewinder. Didn't know where to go. :help
:lol
mt got the brush off 2-3 times CC was getting little short with him safe to say, but mt kept at it like a fat kid all over some kfc ;D
:lol
Would have been worth seeing i think
cheers fellas
Why do you think I've decided to go al, I wanna see the master at work :rollin
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Since I live up the country I can't get to the Fan Forum night but here's something I prepared earlier:
The ongoing process of developing a coaching structure at Richmond invites interest.
During the course of the 2011 season the following have been thrown up:
- Wayne Campbell has finished the last year of a 3 year contract.
- David Newett has not been re-signed beyond 2011.
- Tim Clarke has not re-signed beyond 2011.
- Neil Craig resigned from Adelaide.
- Dean Bailey was sacked from Melbourne.
- Richmond announced 2 more development coaches were to be hired.
- Richmond announced Newett and Clarke would leave.
- Richmond offered Craig an assistant coaching position – he chose to join Melbourne as Director of Sports Performance.
- Ross Smith was appointed as a coach after leaving Hawthorn.
- Richmond offered Bailey an assistant coaching position – he chose to join Adelaide as Strategy & Innovation Manager.
- Mark Williams was appointed as a coach after leaving Melbourne.
My queries are:
If two more development coaches were required and Newett and Clarke were leaving, what steps have been made to source these four new development coaches since we have known about our requirements for some months at least?
If Craig and Bailey were considered possible assets, why were they not approached before the end of the season considering they were both unemployed/available at the end of July?
Was a review of our coaching structure performed in 2011 and did it conclude that we needed an experienced senior assistant and thus we approached Craig and Bailey?
In discussions with both, was any other position other than assistant coach discussed, since they both subsequently took jobs outside the normal coaching structure at other clubs?
Is Wayne Campbell being re-signed and if not, is his position being taken by either Smith or Williams?
Are Smith and/or Williams assistant or development coaches?
If they are both assistant coaches are we then moving to a different, expanded structure?
Does this mean we will still have four new development coaches or are Smith and Williams taking the two extra slots that were announced as development coaches?
Are we still going to employ at least two development coaches and, if so, what steps have been taken to employ them?
Given that we are required to employ an extra three people in the football department to meet minimum AFL standards, are these to be in any areas other than coaching?
By the time they wade through that lot RT, that should pretty much take care of the whole night! ;D
Good questions though. :thumbsup
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And BTW Tim Clarke was not sacked, club wanted keep him but his wife is from the US and they are moving over there
So he would have been re-signed
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And BTW Tim Clarke was not sacked, club wanted keep him but his wife is from the US and they are moving over there
So he would have been re-signed
Which is why I said he "has not re-signed beyond 2011".
Begs the question though of when he decided he would be going O/S and makes the timing of his replacement more acute.
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Ill let someone else go this time, Im over chicken sandwiches :lol
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And BTW Tim Clarke was not sacked, club wanted keep him but his wife is from the US and they are moving over there
So he would have been re-signed
Which is why I said he "has not re-signed beyond 2011".
Begs the question though of when he decided he would be going O/S and makes the timing of his replacement more acute.
I believe that potential candidates have been interviewed and lined up since not long after round 24, think I saw somewhere that Nick Stevens would be filling one of the 4 spots, could be imagining things though.
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By the time they wade through that lot RT, that should pretty much take care of the whole night! ;D
Good questions though. :thumbsup
Agreed that it's a long list. They really are more the type of questions the board should ask about planning and process.
At a Fan Forum where I think the new coaches will probably be presented, I think the questions should be:
What is the coaching structure for 2012 and who does what?
Where will the extra resources (3 staff) be placed?
Nick Stevens was a part-time specialist coach this year (kicking I think) and it's been mostly fan forum speculation he would go full-time.
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from expereince RedanT there wouldnt be an opportunity to dominate the floor with a barbara walters style series of questions. might pay to wrap them up into one or two and dont make silly assumptions like we only began talking to prospective candidates a fortnight ago. What would make you think that , there's any number of factors why cadidates may have elected to pursue roles other than what we offered. Anyhow, challenge is healthy and Id encourage you to go if you feel strongly about certain issues :shh
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Isn't it that Ross Smith is in charge of overall defensive strategy, Mark Williams in charge of overall attacking stragegy, then the 'line' coaches of Leppa, Lade and Daly?
Don't know about Campbell, who was doing opposition analysis, or the development coaches though.
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from expereince RedanT there wouldnt be an opportunity to dominate the floor with a barbara walters style series of questions. might pay to wrap them up into one or two and dont make silly assumptions like we only began talking to prospective candidates a fortnight ago. What would make you think that , there's any number of factors why cadidates may have elected to pursue roles other than what we offered. Anyhow, challenge is healthy and Id encourage you to go if you feel strongly about certain issues :shh
One by One then Bo.
i posted seven minutes before yours the two questions.
"Silly assumptions". Don't know about Smith but Williams was only after he left Melbourne (read their website send-off).
Prospective candidates for development would include coaches outside the AFL clubs, what's the holdup since we knew they were needed months ago?
"Any number of factors" for Craig and Bailey would primarily be the role and the planned business culture/structure, even before money.
In my initial post I said why I could not get there. I suggest you actually read and try and understand what I post before encouraging me to :shh
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I reckon it will have something to do with the 2012 membership campaign
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And Cuzzy waiting for his bub to be born :shh
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The fan forum night is all 'sold out'.
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from expereince RedanT there wouldnt be an opportunity to dominate the floor with a barbara walters style series of questions. might pay to wrap them up into one or two and dont make silly assumptions like we only began talking to prospective candidates a fortnight ago. What would make you think that , there's any number of factors why cadidates may have elected to pursue roles other than what we offered. Anyhow, challenge is healthy and Id encourage you to go if you feel strongly about certain issues :shh
One by One then Bo.
i posted seven minutes before yours the two questions.
"Silly assumptions". Don't know about Smith but Williams was only after he left Melbourne (read their website send-off).
Prospective candidates for development would include coaches outside the AFL clubs, what's the holdup since we knew they were needed months ago?
"Any number of factors" for Craig and Bailey would primarily be the role and the planned business culture/structure, even before money.
In my initial post I said why I could not get there. I suggest you actually read and try and understand what I post before encouraging me to :shh
me silly RT i could have sworn you posed the question why didn't we approach Bailey and craig before the end of the season ::)
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what did you ask cameron MT?
Basically why didn't we tank in 2009-10 for priority picks when our season was shot and we only had 1-2 wins at the midpoint of each of those seasons. It went down well as Tucky and TM can attest :lol.
Like a lead balloon Al. :lol :rollin :lol
Poor old Craig Cameron was squirming like a sidewinder. Didn't know where to go. :help
:lol
mt got the brush off 2-3 times CC was getting little short with him safe to say, but mt kept at it like a fat kid all over some kfc ;D
:lol
Would have been worth seeing i think
cheers fellas
Why do you think I've decided to go al, I wanna see the master at work :rollin
;D
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I'm about to head off to the fan forum so hopefully it's a good and interesting night and not top secret ;) so we can post what is said.
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I'm about to head off to the fan forum so hopefully it's a good and interesting night and not top secret ;) so we can post what is said.
Would it be too controversial to ask about the assistant coaching assignments, MT?
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go hard or go home mt :lol
hope you guys can give us a report on how it went - i wanted to go to this one too but couldnt due to work commitments
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Just got home from the fan forum.
Tonight was all about the new logo from the initial thinking processes and discussions through to the final logo they have come up with and how it will look on clothing apparell, membership cards, stickers, etc. The whole process has taken a year and is designed to coincide with the change from the first two transition years under Hardwick and Benny Gale to now moving forward and hopefully upwards.
We were told to keep things hush-hush until tomorrow all will be revealed publicly tomorrow morning at 6am in an email to all members which will link to the logo and a video about it.
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And there were no chicken sandwiches on the menu ;D
As I arrived I saw Craig Cameron making a hasty exit out of the car park must have known MT was in the building :rollin :rollin
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did they do any consumer reaction research?
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did they do any consumer reaction research?
Does reading all the fan sites count al? ;D
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Would it be too controversial to ask about the assistant coaching assignments, MT?
Nothing about the football dept. was discussed sorry Muscles.
As I arrived I saw Craig Cameron making a hasty exit out of the car park must have known MT was in the building :rollin :rollin
:lol
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did they do any consumer reaction research?
Does reading all the fan sites count al? ;D
And claiming a net positive response to the logo :o :huh
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i find that strange. Here and BF, from what i've read is largely a negative reaction.
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i find that strange. Here and BF, from what i've read is largely a negative reaction.
Well I answered that question. I said overall net result as positive, but there was a loud minority of people who didnt like it.
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i find that strange. Here and BF, from what i've read is largely a negative reaction.
Well I answered that question. I said overall net result as positive, but there was a loud minority of people who didnt like it.
I have to admit Mr RFC_O I was surprised by that answer, I really thought the net result appeared more negative (I've only read here & BF btw) but fair enough
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We were told to keep things hush-hush until tomorrow all will be revealed publicly tomorrow morning at 6am in an email to all members which will link to the logo and a video about it.
So much for hush hush! :lol
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i find that strange. Here and BF, from what i've read is largely a negative reaction.
Well I answered that question. I said overall net result as positive, but there was a loud minority of people who didnt like it.
I have to admit Mr RFC_O I was surprised by that answer, I really thought the net result appeared more negative (I've only read here & BF btw) but fair enough
As I said, loud minority, you always remember the negative stuff over the positive or the "meh" people and we expected that.
We actually had a lot of people contacting us saying they liked it over last few months after it leaked.
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As I said, loud minority, you always remember the negative stuff over the positive or the "meh" people and we expected that.
We actually had a lot of people contacting us saying they liked it over last few months after it leaked.
As I said fair enough, I suppose part of it relates to all my Tiger mates (and these are people who don't post on the net) who have seen it have said they aren't too keen on it.
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We were told to keep things hush-hush until tomorrow all will be revealed publicly tomorrow morning at 6am in an email to all members which will link to the logo and a video about it.
So much for hush hush! :lol
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I dutifully didn't post anything that was said tonight as requested. Yet here we all are, including the Richmond official who requested it :lol
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Well seeing it's been leaked to the Hun and posted publicly by Jon Ralph earlier tonight ::), it's all out in the open now which it was basically anyway as a very close version was released by IP Australia. The difference to that logo is some the white has been reduced and the word 'Richmond' in large text followed underneath by 'Est 1885' placed underneath the logo. Something like this using the IP Australia one:
(http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/tmimages/cgi-bin/get_tmi_image.pl?list=1429384.1&resolution=thumb)
Richmond
Est 1885
Simon Dericks took us through a powerpoint presentation of how they got to coming up with that final logo.
Firstly they felt there was a need for change from our current (now old) logo that was created way back in 1993. Firstly we are heading into a new era after the past two years of transition of the whole club and secondly the current logo isn't apparell friendly as it's very detailed which make sewning it on hats etc difficult. It was commented that having only the tiger head in the current logo didn't send the message of club moving forward - having only a head gave the impression it was a stuffed trophy tiger head on a wall and that the tiger looked down not up.
The marketing dept. went to the board about a year ago about the idea to have a new logo and the Board gave the amber light to look into it.
The process to come up with the new logo took 3 stages - 1. The Tiger, 2. Style and 3. Basically putting it all together.
1) The Tiger
This was basically finding a whole bunch of different pics of Tigers and comparing the traits of the Tiger - they hunt, chase, roar and have pride - with those that coincide with the values of the Club put forward a year or two ago when Benny and Dimma came on board - Proud, Relentless, United, Leadership. The two that coincided the most were pride (being proud) and being relentless. Incorporating the bold chest as well as the head is part of demonstrating our pride.
2) Style
Next was decided what colours, fonts, style (overall look around the Tiger - whether to have a shield, circle, etc surrounding it) and whether to go with a more modern logo or a traditional one. All up the logo had to be suitable not only on its own but also as part of letterheads, apparell, membership items (stickers, cards), etc.
Colour - chose a uniform yellow for the club, logo, jumper, etc. It was argued that white is just as much part of our jumper as yellow and black although they did take on board comments on the forums about there being too much white which they fiddled with from the logo on the IP Australia website. The comment was made that the current logo also has white in it. As an aside red is also a secondary colour as the Tiger tongue is red.
Font - They went with a more plain font rather than a fancy one. Next was whether we wanted to be known as Tigers only, Richmond only, Richmond in larger font than Tigers or vice versa and finally Richmond and Tigers in the same size font (which the current logo has). In the end they went with Richmond in large font and 'Est 1885' in smaller font to remind everyone we have been around for 126 years as a traditional club.
Style - They looked at Tiger logos around the world in sport and in the corporate world. They lined up these logos from the modern American cartoonish ones to the more traditional ones.
According to the club:
Modern logos - Adelaide, Brisbane, Essendon, Geelong, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, North, Sydney, West Coast, Western Bulldogs
Traditional logos - Carlton, Collingwood, Melbourne, St Kilda, Port and our current logo.
The Club considered us a traditional club with a rich history so wanted a new logo that would fit somewhere between modern and tradtional erring closer to a traditional logo.
The also listed a row of Tiger logos from cartoonish (LSU) through to a more traditional detailed Tiger logo. They had the new logo in the middle of about 9 logos.
3) Putting it altogether & Branding
When putting it all together they wanted to decide what symbols define us as a club such as the Tiger, the sash, etc. Simon mentioned about the new Melbourne logo incorporating 5 symbols so it's very detailed which speaking to Melbourne's marketing dept. made things difficult with putting it on club apparell. Simon showed us two logos they came up with for comparison - the new one and one with the same new tiger head on a yellow sash in a shield. If you don't like the new logo I can tell you this other logo looked worse lol.
The last part of the presentation was showing us images of what the new logo looked like on guernseys, shirts, stickers, membership cards, bags and even on a tram (which surprisingly looked very good).
There's also a full tiger body that goes with the logo head and chest which the club will also use (on bags for example).
They then finished off with video which will be release tomorrow morning which is more a drumming up support video - they have Newy, Benny Gale and Dimma talking about the club, it's history, it's great players (Dyer, Hart, Bourke, KB and Richo), the new era with highlights of Cotch, Lids, Dusty and Jack and finally a short cartoon of a tiger in the grass morphing into the new logo and roaring.
That's what I can remember. Any questions fire away.
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sensational MT, thanks very much
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Wow MT, can't believe you remembered all that!!
Top write up mate :thumbsup :thumbsup
I don't mind the logo but would have loved to have seen the writing on or over the actual logo rather than below it......
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As I said, loud minority, you always remember the negative stuff over the positive or the "meh" people and we expected that.
We actually had a lot of people contacting us saying they liked it over last few months after it leaked.
As I said fair enough, I suppose part of it relates to all my Tiger mates (and these are people who don't post on the net) who have seen it have said they aren't too keen on it.
yet out of 65 people who voted in a BF poll, 41 said they did not like it?
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=26802
God, i never thought i would be referring to a BF poll for anything. :P
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i find that strange. Here and BF, from what i've read is largely a negative reaction.
Well I answered that question. I said overall net result as positive, but there was a loud minority of people who didnt like it.
Just out of interest what figures did you come up with and where do you get them from or is this just a broad generalization?
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One question that answered was about consultation with us supporters and members (or lack of it) and just presenting a new logo to us now as is. The answer given was if they had presented a draft logo to someone then that someone could trademark it before the club does. It was also mentioned that Richmond doesn't own its own intellectual property - the AFL does - so the AFL has to be kept up to speed with how the new logo is progressing and how it fits in with the AFL's own licencing and trademarks.
The Club is expecting some negative reaction initially but see releasing it now gives supporters 5 months to get use to it by the start of next season. They also believe that wins on the field and a more successful era will translate to a greater love for this new logo in time. The argument put forward was that fondness for the 80s logo with the leaping tiger over the sash was a result of it being in existence in a successful era. The same argument was put forward as to why supporters still remember Tetley and Esso are our sponsors 30 years later.
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I like it, there are some subtle chages I note from the first view a little while ago, good idea with RICHMOND below, no need to have tigers written when there is a logo of a tiger, derr ::)...looks stylish, daring and PROUD....Good work :clapping
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Well seeing it's been leaked to the Hun and posted publicly by Jon Ralph earlier tonight ::), it's all out in the open now which it was basically anyway as a very close version was released by IP Australia. The difference to that logo is some the white has been reduced and the word 'Richmond' in large text followed underneath by 'Est 1885' placed underneath the logo.
...................blah blah blah (not your report MT, just the club rhetoric used to sell an unnecessary change).......................
There's also a full tiger body that goes with the logo head and chest which the club will also use (on bags for example).
They then finished off with video which will be release tomorrow morning which is more a drumming up support video - they have Newy, Benny Gale and Dimma talking about the club, it's history, it's great players (Dyer, Hart, Bourke, KB and Richo), the new era with highlights of Cotch, Lids, Dusty and Jack and finally a short cartoon of a tiger in the grass morphing into the new logo and roaring.
That's what I can remember. Any questions fire away.
Great theories = crap end result. Still hate it. Nothing wrong with the 'traditional one' we had been using imho and the longer we used it the more traditional it became, bit like not changing our jumper to appease the fly by night corporates. We all love to hang our hat on the history of the club - the tradition, the passion, the success - yet we sell a part of who we are for what gain? What would be the reaction be to the club moving from Punt Rd to Junction Oval because it was considered more modern, more chic, more 'in tune' with the modern market? Sacrilege you say? No difference as I see it.
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Someone with a Graphic Design background, I don't like the logo. I don't enjoy having a sook at what our club does but atleast I know what I'm talking about on this one.
a) Tiger snarl isn't convincing, poorly done IMO. Hard to do with a 2 type colour pallet (yellow and black only colours, tough to make facial expressions without a variety of colours)
b) Fail to see the relevance of the shield. No history of shields in our game or club?
c) Text wise I'm baffled why on earth we have gone with a plain type face. Would have preferred
d) 100% Disagree with the inclusions of white. We are and always will be yellow and black. Should have made it so.
Understand the process they have gone through but just disagree with the design decisions. Funny thing about the creative world, nothing is ever 100% wrong, at worst somewhere out there someone will appreciate what you've designed.
IMO design doesn't portray passion, courage or power - which IMO what a sports logo should represent.
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It's just an opinion BTW.
What our logo looks like is hardly an issue. Get our list right and win a premiership and we can have a pink panda for all I care.
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Great theories = crap end result. Still hate it. Nothing wrong with the 'traditional one' we had been using imho and the longer we used it the more traditional it became, bit like not changing our jumper to appease the fly by night corporates. We all love to hang our hat on the history of the club - the tradition, the passion, the success - yet we sell a part of who we are for what gain? What would be the reaction be to the club moving from Punt Rd to Junction Oval because it was considered more modern, more chic, more 'in tune' with the modern market? Sacrilege you say? No difference as I see it.
Don't shoot the messenger smokey :) but the Club argues that we have had a number of logo changes throughout our history (they showed 6 different logos prior to this new one) and that some people associated the current logo with a period of no success. On top of that is the practical issues (difficulty in incorporating into apparell).
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a) Tiger snarl isn't convincing, poorly done IMO. Hard to do with a 2 type colour pallet (yellow and black only colours, tough to make facial expressions without a variety of colours)
More colours means greater difficulty in incorporating it onto apparell.
c) Text wise I'm baffled why on earth we have gone with a plain type face. Would have preferred
In fairness the font and look of the text looks far better than my crude attempt in my summary post.
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By the way the company that did the new logo was CANYON.
http://www.canyonbranddesign.com/
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You know the world over, people want to change things for changes sake.
This is no different.
Very lame excuse to change an already good logo.
I predict that this logo will change again in the next few years.
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cant believe some of you lot care about the logo if it brings a new era to the club and we start making finals then WGAF.
We have had 20 years of rubbish with the old one so why not bring in the new change.
Thought it makes perfect sense if you want the truth
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personally i dont have a problem with change, but watching that video when the full tiger roars and morphs into the shield shaped head i cant but think of the kimba comparison ( yeah i know lions tigers, but lions have prides, not tigers :P)
As daniel is alluding to ( I think) if we start having success people will come to accept and even like the logo.
I embrace change if it is for the better. I understand the desire to get a logo easier (cheaper) to put on to merchandise etc, but i still feel it is ordinary.
I would love to know if there was any market research such as showing a group of people (not just richmond supporters but general public) the logo and asking how they feel about it. does it really say proud, aggressive?
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cant believe some of you lot care about the logo if it brings a new era to the club and we start making finals then WGAF.
We have had 20 years of rubbish with the old one so why not bring in the new change.
Thought it makes perfect sense if you want the truth
I agree with this :thumbsup Were not the only club to change our logo in the past couple of years, Geelong did it 5 years ago and it hasn't hurt them one iota ;D
IMO it represents us turning over a new leaf and starting another chapter in the great history of the club! We can only hope it works as well for us as did Geelong ;D
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cant believe some of you lot care about the logo if it brings a new era to the club and we start making finals then WGAF.
We have had 20 years of rubbish with the old one so why not bring in the new change.
Thought it makes perfect sense if you want the truth
daniel, I actually agree with you in principle
It's not that they've change the logo. But for me it is what they've changed it to that i have a real problem with. Just don't like the design
I sat there last and even after they had explained why they chose that one and what it is supposed to stand for, I still don't like, think we could have done a lot better
Having said that what i found interesting last night was the number of people who during the course of the presentation change their view on the logo
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I can only think that the new logo must appeal to the younger generation, because it looks pretty ordinary to me.
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I can only think that the new logo must appeal to the younger generation, because it looks pretty ordinary to me.
Funny thing is, I'm seeing more negative reactions from Richmond fans than greater AFL community. Other clubs fans seem to enjoy it.
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yeah but anyone that supports a club other than Richmond is an efwit ;D
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yeah but anyone that supports a club other than Richmond is an efwit ;D
:lol :lol :lol :cheers
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I can only think that the new logo must appeal to the younger generation, because it looks pretty ordinary to me.
Funny thing is, I'm seeing more negative reactions from Richmond fans than greater AFL community. Other clubs fans seem to enjoy it.
Yeah but what other fans think is not relevant, it is what RFC fans think; that is the only thing that should/does matter I would have thought ;D
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yeah but anyone that supports a club other than Richmond is an efwit ;D
Touche.
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yeah but anyone that supports a club other than Richmond is an efwit ;D
Touche.
I love it. :thumbsup
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Something contemporary simply and proud..
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Tiger+Logo&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1045&bih=831&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsufd&tbnid=Ci_RSE06UEzHEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/hamilton-tiger-cats-logo-64925.html&docid=PvpW7426DhDqvM&imgurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/images/H/Hamilton_Tiger-Cats-logo-CA6A73D0A9-seeklogo.com.gif&w=200&h=200&ei=wnSeTt2eAsj1mAWb_YCOCQ&zoom=1
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The snarl gets me every time.
Watching the video and the animation short of the Tiger has a few still that would have been better. The Tigers roars and has 2-3 frames where the snarl was at its peak, I would have though that would have ticked more of the boxes of the KPI's the design was trying to achieve.
It is growing on me though..
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Something contemporary simply and proud..
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Tiger+Logo&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1045&bih=831&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsufd&tbnid=Ci_RSE06UEzHEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/hamilton-tiger-cats-logo-64925.html&docid=PvpW7426DhDqvM&imgurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/images/H/Hamilton_Tiger-Cats-logo-CA6A73D0A9-seeklogo.com.gif&w=200&h=200&ei=wnSeTt2eAsj1mAWb_YCOCQ&zoom=1
:(
Looks like its waiting for the money shot
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Something contemporary simply and proud..
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Tiger+Logo&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1045&bih=831&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsufd&tbnid=Ci_RSE06UEzHEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/hamilton-tiger-cats-logo-64925.html&docid=PvpW7426DhDqvM&imgurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/images/H/Hamilton_Tiger-Cats-logo-CA6A73D0A9-seeklogo.com.gif&w=200&h=200&ei=wnSeTt2eAsj1mAWb_YCOCQ&zoom=1
That is shizenhousen
Looks like a can of Whiskers
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Something contemporary simply and proud..
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?q=Tiger+Logo&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1045&bih=831&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsufd&tbnid=Ci_RSE06UEzHEM:&imgrefurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/hamilton-tiger-cats-logo-64925.html&docid=PvpW7426DhDqvM&imgurl=http://www.seeklogo.com/images/H/Hamilton_Tiger-Cats-logo-CA6A73D0A9-seeklogo.com.gif&w=200&h=200&ei=wnSeTt2eAsj1mAWb_YCOCQ&zoom=1
Absolute shocker pope, makes our new logo look fantastic
:'(
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RFCO you are kidding if you say the reaction to the leaked logo was positive.
It wasn't, as is the reaction to this one, apart from at one pub where everything is great.
I would also like to know as a member of the club why we are not privvy to exactly what was spent on this new logo?
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Something contemporary simply and proud..
You're having a lend of us Pope.
Our new logo craps all over that IMO.
As you say design certainly is in the eye of the beerholder.
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RFCO you are kidding if you say the reaction to the leaked logo was positive.
It wasn't, as is the reaction to this one, apart from at one pub where everything is great.
I would also like to know as a member of the club why we are not privvy to exactly what was spent on this new logo?
A pub where everything is great? I'd probably get kicked out
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RFCO you are kidding if you say the reaction to the leaked logo was positive.
It wasn't, as is the reaction to this one, apart from at one pub where everything is great.
I would also like to know as a member of the club why we are not privvy to exactly what was spent on this new logo?
A pub where everything is great? I'd probably get kicked out
;D
One would be forced to launch furniture around the room and heckle the barmen for entertainment
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RFCO, you are 'avin a laff' if you think the majority of Richmond fans like it. the comments on all forums as well as the comments under the FB profile picture are mostly negative.
Im not too fussed about the whole thing. But surely something a little more aggressive, with less white could have been developed.
That tiger strikes me as a pussy.
And the nab cup jumpers (or training jumpers, whatever they are) look like rainbow paddlepops. They are ugly as sin. I cant see anyone actually thinking they look good.
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RFCO you are kidding if you say the reaction to the leaked logo was positive.
It wasn't, as is the reaction to this one, apart from at one pub where everything is great.
I would also like to know as a member of the club why we are not privvy to exactly what was spent on this new logo?
A pub where everything is great? I'd probably get kicked out
;D
One would be forced to launch furniture around the room and heckle the barmen for entertainment
I bet all is not rosy at this bar. The bartenders probably spike your drinks and then boot you out
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RFCO you are kidding if you say the reaction to the leaked logo was positive.
It wasn't, as is the reaction to this one, apart from at one pub where everything is great.
I would also like to know as a member of the club why we are not privvy to exactly what was spent on this new logo?
A pub where everything is great? I'd probably get kicked out
;D
One would be forced to launch furniture around the room and heckle the barmen for entertainment
I bet all is not rosy at this bar. The bartenders probably spike your drinks and then boot you out
Pretty sure JStars drink has been spiked here on more than one occasion :o he seems to do a hell of allot of Hallucinating and often suffers from bad memory loss the following day ;D
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By the way the company that did the new logo was CANYON.
http://www.canyonbranddesign.com/
At first i thought that said Crayon. No wonder Ralphy had the scoop early. :lol
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:lol
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Just been down at the club for lunch and beers.
Quite impressed with the place and i heard a few things which i hope come true.
One is we are trying to launch off the Darwin deal. Melbourne are keen. If it comes true remains to be seen.
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Just been down at the club for lunch and beers.
Quite impressed with the place and i heard a few things which i hope come true.
One is we are trying to launch off the Darwin deal. Melbourne are keen. If it comes true remains to be seen.
Keep talking...
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what do mean by launch off the Darwin deal, Daniel?
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Can't see us getting out of Darwin for 2012
Beyond that YEP but for 2012 nope ;D
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WP correct beyond 2012. Dees are keen and we are not anymore is what I was told.
Also not sure if it's been mentioned here but are we not able to use Punt Road Oval from June/July
next year?
Bit strange why they wouldn't wait till end of season. Anyway
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haha this club cracks me up sometimes
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I spit at the ground and say **** the old logo, two decades of failure, scorn, ridicule, embarrasment and humilation. In that time we achieved NOTHING, **** ALL , didly SQUAT, NIL ...the old LOGO is symbolic of failure and it deperately needs to be scrapped. it has no sentimental VALUE at all, we simply need to move past this namby pamby , oh i liked the old one....well gee, there's a BIG picture happening people and EVERYTHING needs to point in same direction. I applaud the club on this move, i have been overwhelmed by joy at the changing of the guard..well done to all involved :clapping
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
They would have gone close to recouping the 100K in merchandise sales already ;D
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
pssst, hate to break it to you partner but running a footy club in the AFL , trying to expand on 50,000 members in a competitive market, appeal to sponsors, NEW supporters/members takes more than a narrow minded bush club style mentaility...its called marketing ::)
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WP correct beyond 2012. Dees are keen and we are not anymore is what I was told.
Also not sure if it's been mentioned here but are we not able to use Punt Road Oval from June/July
next year?
Bit strange why they wouldn't wait till end of season. Anyway
I remember at the FTF dinner the question was asked about these sold home games; if there was an "out" clause and we were told yes. Darwin was only for 2 years, Cairns for 3 with an out if our finances improved via the FTF ;D
As for the re-configure startng June/July I think that's to ensure it will be ready for pre-season training 2013 (start training Oct 2012)
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
pssst, hate to break it to you partner but running a footy club in the AFL , trying to expand on 50,000 members in a competitive market, appeal to sponsors, NEW supporters/members takes more than a narrow minded bush club style mentaility...its called marketing ::)
well, this logo is the answer then isn't it! how dare I question spending a shitload of $ on something that isn't half as good as what we had before. but I forget! a new era! new logo! We couldn't possibly still win games of football without changing our logo.
eff me dead.
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
pssst, hate to break it to you partner but running a footy club in the AFL , trying to expand on 50,000 members in a competitive market, appeal to sponsors, NEW supporters/members takes more than a narrow minded bush club style mentaility...its called marketing ::)
well, this logo is the answer then isn't it! how dare I question spending a pooload of $ on something that isn't half as good as what we had before. but I forget! a new era! new logo! We couldn't possibly still win games of football without changing our logo.
eff me dead.
Get back in you box Davey..........And hurry up and have that Scrotum operated on FFS >:( >:( ;D
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
They would have gone close to recouping the 100K in merchandise sales already ;D
well said Tft... :shh
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WP correct beyond 2012. Dees are keen and we are not anymore is what I was told.
Also not sure if it's been mentioned here but are we not able to use Punt Road Oval from June/July
next year?
Bit strange why they wouldn't wait till end of season. Anyway
stuff the dess, they have put themselves back in serious debt big lolz and are already pooting themselves and thinking about how they will recoup the cash theyve thrown around - DONT GIVE THEM A GET OUT OF JAIL CARD TIGES! $500,000 is nothing to sneeze at and would help them out in a big way. No stuffing way! i want to see that mob reduced to a rabble through sheer stupid mismanagement
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
pssst, hate to break it to you partner but running a footy club in the AFL , trying to expand on 50,000 members in a competitive market, appeal to sponsors, NEW supporters/members takes more than a narrow minded bush club style mentaility...its called marketing ::)
well, this logo is the answer then isn't it! how dare I question spending a pooload of $ on something that isn't half as good as what we had before. but I forget! a new era! new logo! We couldn't possibly still win games of football without changing our logo.
eff me dead.
Get back in you box Davey..........And hurry up and have that Scrotum operated on FFS >:( >:( ;D
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
They would have gone close to recouping the 100K in merchandise sales already ;D
well said Tft... :shh
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yep spend over 100k on a logo. 100k on something that has no effing effect on our onfield performance. money well spent. you go girl!
pssst, hate to break it to you partner but running a footy club in the AFL , trying to expand on 50,000 members in a competitive market, appeal to sponsors, NEW supporters/members takes more than a narrow minded bush club style mentaility...its called marketing ::)
well, this logo is the answer then isn't it! how dare I question spending a pooload of $ on something that isn't half as good as what we had before. but I forget! a new era! new logo! We couldn't possibly still win games of football without changing our logo.
eff me dead.
Get back in you box Davey..........And hurry up and have that Scrotum operated on FFS >:( >:( ;D
Nup, I'm not putting up with this. How DARE you make fun of Wesley Warren Jnr >:(
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Nup, I'm not putting up with this. How DARE you make fun of Wesley Warren Jnr >:(
Ohhhh, that's Wes in his avatar :whistle :whistle I thought Uncle Davey must have fed his Gerkin to much dynamic lifter :P :P ;D
Apologies to Wes ( and his hoodie/nappie )