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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 02, 2013, 03:53:57 AM
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Terry Wallace sits down with Richmond recruiter Francis Jackson to talk about the Tigers’ recruiting philosophies and the talent on show in the TAC Cup.
Tune in today (Sunday June 2) at 1pm to Channel 9.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=1-3020-0-0-0&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=19247662
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Dont dish out too many trade secrets FJ :shh
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Dont dish out too many trade secrets FJ :shh
Hopefully they do us a favor and dish out all our secrets on how to draft 2nd and 3rd and 4th round national draft picks and hopefully every other club copies us and stuff themselves up completely :lol
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Dont dish out too many trade secrets FJ :shh
Hopefully they do us a favor and dish out all our secrets on how to draft 2nd and 3rd and 4th round national draft picks and hopefully every other club copies us and stuff themselves up completely :lol
:lol
I hope they ask him about all his choices beyond the first round.
Especially 2009 why he thought Griffiths was a better choice than Fyfe and why he believes Griffiths isn't getting a game ahead of Mcguane and a spent hack VFL star in "lockup" Edwards?
Seriously he needs to go. He's so not up to the level of most club recruiters. How are we supposed to improve if we can't pick a decent second round pick?
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Don't think anyone can blame him for not taking Fyfe. We would have burnt Punt Rd down if we'd taken a 189cm FF who was completely under sized. It's been remarkable what that kids done. Webberley and Nason are the ones I query. A small Tassie player and a midget SANFL reserves player. 2010 was the bad one. Batchelor over Parker. Why? Helbig I like but has been injured. MacDonald. An undersized FF like I mentioned above. Why the stuff would you? Derickx is a dead set spud who would have been available as a rookie. Jonathan Giles was the obvious ruck to take that year and we went with the obscure like we did all that draft.
Then 2011 we take Arnot. Lacks skill, height and pace. Could have rookied him. 2012 I'm not sold on McIntosh. Very early days but I don't think he's a natural footballer.
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Summary
* Wallace said at the top of the show he wished FJ arrived at Richmond a few years earlier. Nice backhander to Greg Miller.
* FJ said recruiting has significantly changed in his time. Only one full-time recruiter in 2006 with volunteers intertstate and no football manager. In 2006 half of the clubs had just one full-time recruiter; now they have six.
* Kreuzer or Cotchin if you had had pick 1? Deciding factor - influential midfielder can influence games more than a ruckman. Both fabulous long-term footballers.
* Vlastuin always in the frame? We already have priority players in mind for this upcoming draft (2013) we watch for that fit our model. We had 37 player reports on Floss. He had all the attributes we value highly.
* Bringing in mature players last year? Shift in philosophy. We felt best kids were gone and that we could bring in AFL players that could play a role. If they play to their best they could give us some experience and play a role. We didn't want to get to round 22 and have youngsters tiring and us falling away as a team.
* Kids coming through and who want to be drafted should focus on kicking, composure and poise. AFL clubs want players that can make those right decisions under pressure and not turn the ball over (by foot).
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Was a load of rubbish. :shh
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talks about as fluently as my 2 year old daughter. Time to go and retire pal
loved the answer re: rookies "yeah well we didnt see any value in the rookie draft" :banghead
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He's not up to it Richmond.
His not up to the standard required its obvious as his record.
Time to get someone who actually has a clue.
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He's not up to it Richmond.
His not up to the standard required its obvious as his record.
Time to get someone who actually has a clue.
Lol like you have a clue, he has aced the last 4 drafts...vlas, ellis, conca martin....ask melb st.kilda or dogs how easy it is to get r 1 selections right. Dea , Batch, Elton , Mcbean....oh have i mentioned the recycled players that have killed it. Dont act the imbecile , do the homework first :shh
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He's not up to it Richmond.
His not up to the standard required its obvious as his record.
Time to get someone who actually has a clue.
Lol like you have a clue, he has aced the last 4 drafts...vlas, ellis, conca martin....ask melb st.kilda or dogs how easy it is to get r 1 selections right. Dea , Batch, Elton , Mcbean....oh have i mentioned the recycled players that have killed it. Dont act the imbecile , do the homework first :shh
You must kidding BJ. Hilarious. :lol
His history speaks for itself.
If you want your team to be better you don't compare it to the dogs, Melbourne and the saints. :lol
You compare it with teams that consistently play finals and have had later picks than us but are recruiting better & developing that talent earlier.
Mentioning our first round picks was gold too. :lol :lol
The idea is to raise the bar higher. Expect better results. Excellence is achieved through hard work and a higher standard of achievement.
I don't think his history is any good beyond his first round picks.
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I dont think you re being very objective MT ..who were our sec and third round picks last year, Mcbean and mcdonagh , both looking very good at this stage :shh..Arnot is looking the goods , should be playing seniors, astbury is killing it after coming back from injury. Think your clutching at straws pal. No side gets every pick correct, we re getting our fair share right for a change
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Especially 2009 why he thought Griffiths was a better choice than Fyfe and why he believes Griffiths isn't getting a game ahead of Mcguane and a spent hack VFL star in "lockup" Edwards?
Do you seriously believe he has an input why Griffiths isn't getting a game? He is the recruiting manager not chairman of selectors. Once they are drafted it isn't his job to play them
I have to say I find if funny, he is given by the list management team which he ISNT a member of an outline of what the clubs wants the recruiters to focus on, that is outside picks 1 where the clubs policy has been since Dimma been there that we take the best available player, the types of player the club wants. He finds those types, shows the list people the options and as a group they decide on which one to go with. Then on draft day he calls out the number and name
After that point it is up to the club's coaches especially those in development to bring these kids on, that and of course the kid has to willing to work hard. Instead of pointing the finger constantly at our recruiting I believe we should be blow torching our development program more than anything
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Especially 2009 why he thought Griffiths was a better choice than Fyfe and why he believes Griffiths isn't getting a game ahead of Mcguane and a spent hack VFL star in "lockup" Edwards?
Do you seriously believe he has an input why Griffiths isn't getting a game? He is the recruiting manager not chairman of selectors. Once they are drafted it isn't his job to play them
I have to say I find if funny, he is given by the list management team which he ISNT a member of an outline of what the clubs wants the recruiters to focus on, that is outside picks 1 where the clubs policy has been since Dimma been there that we take the best available player, the types of player the club wants. He finds those types, shows the list people the options and as a group they decide on which one to go with. Then on draft day he calls out the number and name
After that point it is up to the club's coaches especially those in development to bring these kids on, that and of course the kid has to willing to work hard. Instead of pointing the finger constantly at our recruiting I believe we should be blow torching our development program more than anything
So do you believe it's DH fault WP?
After all, he chooses his assistant coaches/ development coaches.
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Especially 2009 why he thought Griffiths was a better choice than Fyfe and why he believes Griffiths isn't getting a game ahead of Mcguane and a spent hack VFL star in "lockup" Edwards?
Do you seriously believe he has an input why Griffiths isn't getting a game? He is the recruiting manager not chairman of selectors. Once they are drafted it isn't his job to play them
I have to say I find if funny, he is given by the list management team which he ISNT a member of an outline of what the clubs wants the recruiters to focus on, that is outside picks 1 where the clubs policy has been since Dimma been there that we take the best available player, the types of player the club wants. He finds those types, shows the list people the options and as a group they decide on which one to go with. Then on draft day he calls out the number and name
After that point it is up to the club's coaches especially those in development to bring these kids on, that and of course the kid has to willing to work hard. Instead of pointing the finger constantly at our recruiting I believe we should be blow torching our development program more than anything
So do you believe it's DH fault WP?
After all, he chooses his assistant coaches/ development coaches.
yes it is. Play the kids. Don't let them rot.
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He finds those types, shows the list people the options and as a group they decide on which one to go with. Then on draft day he calls out the number and name
So "as a group they decide".
What a silly way to excuse his efforts.
So the List Committee makes decisions on players that none of them (outside of Jackson) have seen or have detailed stats on.
He also decides on whether the rookie draft has any value, since he's the only voice in List Committee to have seen them.
He, along with Hartley, also decides on the value of kids versus retreads since again he is the only voice to have seen one half of the equation, while Hartley has seen the other half.
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Especially 2009 why he thought Griffiths was a better choice than Fyfe and why he believes Griffiths isn't getting a game ahead of Mcguane and a spent hack VFL star in "lockup" Edwards?
Do you seriously believe he has an input why Griffiths isn't getting a game? He is the recruiting manager not chairman of selectors. Once they are drafted it isn't his job to play them
I have to say I find if funny, he is given by the list management team which he ISNT a member of an outline of what the clubs wants the recruiters to focus on, that is outside picks 1 where the clubs policy has been since Dimma been there that we take the best available player, the types of player the club wants. He finds those types, shows the list people the options and as a group they decide on which one to go with. Then on draft day he calls out the number and name
After that point it is up to the club's coaches especially those in development to bring these kids on, that and of course the kid has to willing to work hard. Instead of pointing the finger constantly at our recruiting I believe we should be blow torching our development program more than anything
It's not that I think he has a say in development WP, it would've been great to get his perspective on why Griff isn't playing senior footy and why his development seems to have gone backwards.
If you look at where players after the first round are now playing and getting regular games.
I also agree that it may speak more about our development which has been a serious problem but you'd still expect these guys to atleast play more senior games by now.
......Or Maybe the selections of Griffiths and Astbury were just completely wrong too.
It would've been good to hear FJ perspective on those guys that have been there for a while but aren't getting regular games.
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Dont dish out too many trade secrets FJ :shh
Which one's the Jarrad Oakley Nicholls, Ty Vickery or every kid that hasn't made it from beyond the second draft. Rivetting viewing.
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So do you believe it's DH fault WP?
After all, he chooses his assistant coaches/ development coaches.
I believe it's the Club's fault in that it is only in the last 2 seasons I think really thrown the resources at development. Although, DH has the final say on his assistants the fact that we only have 3 development coaches while other teams have at at least 4, have development academies (Geelong) just further highlights how poorly we've address this area.
Not a doubt in my mind that the reason some of our kids have either stalled in their development or not developed at all is because of our poor development program
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So "as a group they decide".
What a silly way to excuse his efforts.
So the List Committee makes decisions on players that none of them (outside of Jackson) have seen or have detailed stats on.
He also decides on whether the rookie draft has any value, since he's the only voice in List Committee to have seen them.
He, along with Hartley, also decides on the value of kids versus retreads since again he is the only voice to have seen one half of the equation, while Hartley has seen the other half.
Thank you for taking what I wrote and twisting it suit your argument
Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem.
Did I write anywhere that the list committee doesn't have any data, see any vision, seen any of them play live? Of course they do, they get that info and the sit down and review, discuss, plan and make decisions.
Don't ever forget that FJ didn't want the trade for McMahon to happenas he had ear marked that pick for Selwood. But he had no say, no control over it.
But I suppose most of us would think he got the 2nd round pick we had in that draft right, selected Rance for memory ;D
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So "as a group they decide".
What a silly way to excuse his efforts.
So the List Committee makes decisions on players that none of them (outside of Jackson) have seen or have detailed stats on.
He also decides on whether the rookie draft has any value, since he's the only voice in List Committee to have seen them.
He, along with Hartley, also decides on the value of kids versus retreads since again he is the only voice to have seen one half of the equation, while Hartley has seen the other half.
Thank you for taking what I wrote and twisting it suit your argument
Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem.
Did I write anywhere that the list committee doesn't have any data, see any vision, seen any of them play live? Of course they do, they get that info and the sit down and review, discuss, plan and make decisions.
Don't ever forget that FJ didn't want the trade for McMahon to happenas he had ear marked that pick for Selwood. But he had no say, no control over it.
But I suppose most of us would think he got the 2nd round pick we had in that draft right, selected Rance for memory ;D
Rance was pick 18 and a priority pick. Not a second round pick. Can hardly give FJ a pat on the back for that
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Rance was pick 18 and a priority pick. Not a second round pick. Can hardly give FJ a pat on the back for that
Did you read my entire post? Or just part of it?
I said "Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem. "
I also raised a point by using the Rance selection as an example and that is there seems to be alot of people prepared to whack FJ for getting things wrong but conveniently ignoring the ones he has got right.
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Especially 2009 why he thought Griffiths was a better choice than Fyfe and why he believes Griffiths isn't getting a game ahead of Mcguane and a spent hack VFL star in "lockup" Edwards?
Do you seriously believe he has an input why Griffiths isn't getting a game? He is the recruiting manager not chairman of selectors. Once they are drafted it isn't his job to play them
I have to say I find if funny, he is given by the list management team which he ISNT a member of an outline of what the clubs wants the recruiters to focus on, that is outside picks 1 where the clubs policy has been since Dimma been there that we take the best available player, the types of player the club wants. He finds those types, shows the list people the options and as a group they decide on which one to go with. Then on draft day he calls out the number and name
After that point it is up to the club's coaches especially those in development to bring these kids on, that and of course the kid has to willing to work hard. Instead of pointing the finger constantly at our recruiting I believe we should be blow torching our development program more than anything
Unfortunately what you say Willie is very common especially at Richmond .
The structure should be set up the way Ross Lyon does it, be refuses to get involved and let the rm recruit all th players.
Even spud screwed us that year with beck and pettifer, he wanted Scott Thompson instead
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So "as a group they decide".
What a silly way to excuse his efforts.
So the List Committee makes decisions on players that none of them (outside of Jackson) have seen or have detailed stats on.
He also decides on whether the rookie draft has any value, since he's the only voice in List Committee to have seen them.
He, along with Hartley, also decides on the value of kids versus retreads since again he is the only voice to have seen one half of the equation, while Hartley has seen the other half.
Thank you for taking what I wrote and twisting it suit your argument
Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem.
Did I write anywhere that the list committee doesn't have any data, see any vision, seen any of them play live? Of course they do, they get that info and the sit down and review, discuss, plan and make decisions.
Don't ever forget that FJ didn't want the trade for McMahon to happenas he had ear marked that pick for Selwood. But he had no say, no control over it.
But I suppose most of us would think he got the 2nd round pick we had in that draft right, selected Rance for memory ;D
Rance was pick 18 and a priority pick. Not a second round pick. Can hardly give FJ a pat on the back for that
Can't pat him on the back for 1st rounders despite probably no other club (including Geelong) gets every single first rounder right. Now we have to exclude priority picks from his successes.
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Rance was pick 18 and a priority pick. Not a second round pick. Can hardly give FJ a pat on the back for that
Did you read my entire post? Or just part of it?
I said "Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem. "
I also raised a point by using the Rance selection as an example and that is there seems to be alot of people prepared to whack FJ for getting things wrong but conveniently ignoring the ones he has got right.
I read your whole post and it was inaccurate. You said Rance was a second round draft pick. And he wasn't. Maybe YOU should read your entire post again.
The discussion was that FJ haven't done well with second and third round draft selections. Which unless you are a complete deadbeat can see to be the case and trying to put Rance as a second round draft selection is just a mistake on your behalf.
Regardless of any of that, if you think you cannot point the finger at the head of recruiting for not getting recruiting right than you live in a different world than me.
Like saying you cannot blame DH for the way our side plays. Maybe we should just sack all the assistant coaches because it must be their faults.
Frustrates the F/$k out of me when all people want to do is make excuses for everyone at our club. The way this club has preformed over the last 30 years is a massive disgrace. People have to be accountable for their actions and the actions of the departments they are in control of. That's why they get paid the big bucks- because you have to put your reputation and BALLS on the line.
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Rance was pick 18 and a priority pick. Not a second round pick. Can hardly give FJ a pat on the back for that
Did you read my entire post? Or just part of it?
I said "Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem. "
I also raised a point by using the Rance selection as an example and that is there seems to be alot of people prepared to whack FJ for getting things wrong but conveniently ignoring the ones he has got right.
I read your whole post and it was inaccurate. You said Rance was a second round draft pick. And he wasn't. Maybe YOU should read your entire post again.
The discussion was that FJ haven't done well with second and third round draft selections. Which unless you are a complete deadbeat can see to be the case and trying to put Rance as a second round draft selection is just a mistake on your behalf.
Regardless of any of that, if you think you cannot point the finger at the head of recruiting for not getting recruiting right than you live in a different world than me.
Like saying you cannot blame DH for the way our side plays. Maybe we should just sack all the assistant coaches because it must be their faults. Frustrates the F/$k out of me when all people want to do is make excuses for everyone at our club. The way this club has preformed over the last 30 years is a massive disgrace. People have to be accountable for their actions and the actions of the departments they are in control of. That's why they get paid the big bucks- because you have to put your reputation and BALLS on the line.
That's what kept Sheedy at Essendon for 25 years
:cheers
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:lol
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ive gotta say we are making excuses .
at the end of the day tyhe buck and resposibility stops with francis jackson.
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jon- fail
hughes - fail
casserley - fail
06
riewoldt - pass
s edwards - for the pick fail. eric mckenzie anyone, some will say pass so i will include him as a pass
connors - fail but at pick 58 it was more likely than not that this pick would fail. came with a poor reputation and it proved correct.
peterson - fail was a high risk.
collins - fail
07
cotchin - pass no brainer.
rance - at 18 fail imo if hes a pass its only just. has too mant weaknesses in his game for a top 20 pick.
putt - fail
did not use pick 64.
08
vickery - atm hes a 50/50 propisition everyone knows where i stand with this bloke.
post - fail
hislop - a late mature pick everyone knew hislop was a jackson favorite.
09
martin = pass. there was a top 4 and there was daylight.so a no brainer.
griffiths - sorry but to date hes a fail it may change it may not.he came with risk and again we took that risk with a valuable pick. carlisle black anyone or maybe a mid in bastinac.
astbury = to date a fail like griffiths being a tall he has some time on his side.
dea - pass was always going to be a project player imo hes coming along nicely. only gripe is where we took him. wanted another tall here had a list of 4.
taylor - fail. another of those high risk picks that ultimately failed. on talent alone it was maybe worth the risk early 4th rnd pick 51.
webberley - fail we needed to target talls.
nason - fail should never have been drafted.
10 all of these guys are in just yr 3 so it is hard to call. you can only really judge em on strengths and weakness too early to call em on performance.
conca - pass but the argument has always been did we jump the gun. i still prefer heppell.
batchelor - 50/50 was widely assumed he would go later. has some real concerns in his game and imo has not properly established himself.
helbig - 50/50 not done a lot in the 2s which is a concern has some real good attributes but he needs to go up a level.
mcdonald - fail another risky pick that bit us on the arse.
derickx - fail
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ellis - pass
elton - who knows just too early.
arnot - bottom aged when taken still only 19 too early.
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vlastuin - pass has proven to be a v/good pick to date.
mcintosh - too early to call.
mcbean - too early
mcdonough - too early.
thats the entire list of kids we have taken under jackson in the nd. does not include young psd and rookie picks. which makes for even worse reading.
youngsters taken psd/rookie drafts and i emphasise youngsters. does not include mature players who we cannot totally attribute to jackson.
white - fail
gourdis - fail
grimes - pass
o hanlon - 50/50 too early.
young rookie selections.
06
graham - fail
07
clingan- fail
08
collard - fail another high risk who came with baggage.
09
browne - fail.
gilligan - fail
10
hicks - fail
contin - fail
westhoff - fail
11
jakobi - fail
hislop - fail i inlclude him despite him being a mature pick because he was a jackson pick
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darrou - too early
verrier - 50/50 too early possibly gone
turner - too early
13
williams - too early
if hes had a say in taking mature players it makes for even worse reading.
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Good synopsis Claw :thumbsup
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S Edwards was not a fail >:(
09 draft is to on too early to judge.matter or Griff can still make it
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Am I excusing the mistakes? No but it seems people are big on pointing the finger at individuals rather than pointing the finger at the entire problem.
Did I write anywhere that the list committee doesn't have any data, see any vision, seen any of them play live? Of course they do, they get that info and the sit down and review, discuss, plan and make decisions.
I am claiming LC members don't have the data to make informed decisions on players. They must rely on Jackson's opinion.
You are now claiming that List Committee members other than Jackson review data, vision and do live viewing of potential recruits.
The members of the List Committee are : Gale, Stahl, Richardson (Cameron), Hardwick, Jackson and Hartley as far as I know.
Do you really think any of them have the time to check Jackson's work to ensure his opinion about juniors is correct?
Jackson is the Recruiting Manager and so his opinion on kids is THE authority.
If that's not true and other LC members are re-doing his work and making junior recruiting decisions then he is redundant and should be replaced.
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FJ hit the jackpot with Vlastuin at pick 9 :thumbsup.
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The members of the List Committee are : Gale, Stahl, Richardson (Cameron), Hardwick, Jackson and Hartley as far as I know.
From what i've been told Gale & Stahl are not on the list managment committee
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I'll just leave this here. :whistle
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ive gotta say we are making excuses .
at the end of the day tyhe buck and resposibility stops with francis jackson.
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jon- fail
hughes - fail
casserley - fail
06
riewoldt - pass
s edwards - for the pick fail. eric mckenzie anyone, some will say pass so i will include him as a pass
connors - fail but at pick 58 it was more likely than not that this pick would fail. came with a poor reputation and it proved correct.
peterson - fail was a high risk.
collins - fail
07
cotchin - pass no brainer.
rance - at 18 fail imo if hes a pass its only just. has too mant weaknesses in his game for a top 20 pick.
putt - fail
did not use pick 64.
08
vickery - atm hes a 50/50 propisition everyone knows where i stand with this bloke.
post - fail
hislop - a late mature pick everyone knew hislop was a jackson favorite.
09
martin = pass. there was a top 4 and there was daylight.so a no brainer.
griffiths - sorry but to date hes a fail it may change it may not.he came with risk and again we took that risk with a valuable pick. carlisle black anyone or maybe a mid in bastinac.
astbury = to date a fail like griffiths being a tall he has some time on his side.
dea - pass was always going to be a project player imo hes coming along nicely. only gripe is where we took him. wanted another tall here had a list of 4.
taylor - fail. another of those high risk picks that ultimately failed. on talent alone it was maybe worth the risk early 4th rnd pick 51.
webberley - fail we needed to target talls.
nason - fail should never have been drafted.
10 all of these guys are in just yr 3 so it is hard to call. you can only really judge em on strengths and weakness too early to call em on performance.
conca - pass but the argument has always been did we jump the gun. i still prefer heppell.
batchelor - 50/50 was widely assumed he would go later. has some real concerns in his game and imo has not properly established himself.
helbig - 50/50 not done a lot in the 2s which is a concern has some real good attributes but he needs to go up a level.
mcdonald - fail another risky pick that bit us on the arse.
derickx - fail
11
ellis - pass
elton - who knows just too early.
arnot - bottom aged when taken still only 19 too early.
12
vlastuin - pass has proven to be a v/good pick to date.
mcintosh - too early to call.
mcbean - too early
mcdonough - too early.
thats the entire list of kids we have taken under jackson in the nd. does not include young psd and rookie picks. which makes for even worse reading.
youngsters taken psd/rookie drafts and i emphasise youngsters. does not include mature players who we cannot totally attribute to jackson.
white - fail
gourdis - fail
grimes - pass
o hanlon - 50/50 too early.
young rookie selections.
06
graham - fail
07
clingan- fail
08
collard - fail another high risk who came with baggage.
09
browne - fail.
gilligan - fail
10
hicks - fail
contin - fail
westhoff - fail
11
jakobi - fail
hislop - fail i inlclude him despite him being a mature pick because he was a jackson pick
12
darrou - too early
verrier - 50/50 too early possibly gone
turner - too early
13
williams - too early
if hes had a say in taking mature players it makes for even worse reading.
Compare it to other teams and you will see we have done very well. Its like you think every daraft pick we get should be the next Royce Hart or Jack Dyer
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The members of the List Committee are : Gale, Stahl, Richardson (Cameron), Hardwick, Jackson and Hartley as far as I know.
From what i've been told Gale & Stahl are not on the list managment committee
they were at one stage, according to a report from a fan night.
as head recruiter the buck stops with FJ on quality of players recruited.
The type of player recruited may be down to list management committee, but more specifically the coach.
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From what i've been told Gale & Stahl are not on the list managment committee
they were at one stage, according to a report from a fan night.
To be fair, I think Stahl would only be involved when it comes to the financial/contract side of list management and recruiting while Gale, similar to March, is a part of every committee whenever he wants but would not be involved in any nuts and bolts meetings but only the final decisions or choices. Is the term ex-officio?
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From what i've been told Gale & Stahl are not on the list managment committee
they were at one stage, according to a report from a fan night.
To be fair, I think Stahl would only be involved when it comes to the financial/contract side of list management and recruiting while Gale, similar to March, is a part of every committee whenever he wants but would not be involved in any nuts and bolts meetings but only the final decisions or choices. Is the term ex-officio?
Yes that's the term. Common for a president to be ex-officio on all committees but not so for a CEO
I was at fan night where Hartley spoke and he was asked who was on the list management committee and I honestly don't recall him mentioning either Gale or Stahl being on the actual committee but did say that Gale has sat in on the odd meeting
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ive gotta say we are making excuses .
at the end of the day tyhe buck and resposibility stops with francis jackson.
05
jon- fail
hughes - fail
casserley - fail
06
riewoldt - pass
s edwards - for the pick fail. eric mckenzie anyone, some will say pass so i will include him as a pass
connors - fail but at pick 58 it was more likely than not that this pick would fail. came with a poor reputation and it proved correct.
peterson - fail was a high risk.
collins - fail
07
cotchin - pass no brainer.
rance - at 18 fail imo if hes a pass its only just. has too mant weaknesses in his game for a top 20 pick.
putt - fail
did not use pick 64.
08
vickery - atm hes a 50/50 propisition everyone knows where i stand with this bloke.
post - fail
hislop - a late mature pick everyone knew hislop was a jackson favorite.
09
martin = pass. there was a top 4 and there was daylight.so a no brainer.
griffiths - sorry but to date hes a fail it may change it may not.he came with risk and again we took that risk with a valuable pick. carlisle black anyone or maybe a mid in bastinac.
astbury = to date a fail like griffiths being a tall he has some time on his side.
dea - pass was always going to be a project player imo hes coming along nicely. only gripe is where we took him. wanted another tall here had a list of 4.
taylor - fail. another of those high risk picks that ultimately failed. on talent alone it was maybe worth the risk early 4th rnd pick 51.
webberley - fail we needed to target talls.
nason - fail should never have been drafted.
10 all of these guys are in just yr 3 so it is hard to call. you can only really judge em on strengths and weakness too early to call em on performance.
conca - pass but the argument has always been did we jump the gun. i still prefer heppell.
batchelor - 50/50 was widely assumed he would go later. has some real concerns in his game and imo has not properly established himself.
helbig - 50/50 not done a lot in the 2s which is a concern has some real good attributes but he needs to go up a level.
mcdonald - fail another risky pick that bit us on the arse.
derickx - fail
11
ellis - pass
elton - who knows just too early.
arnot - bottom aged when taken still only 19 too early.
12
vlastuin - pass has proven to be a v/good pick to date.
mcintosh - too early to call.
mcbean - too early
mcdonough - too early.
thats the entire list of kids we have taken under jackson in the nd. does not include young psd and rookie picks. which makes for even worse reading.
youngsters taken psd/rookie drafts and i emphasise youngsters. does not include mature players who we cannot totally attribute to jackson.
white - fail
gourdis - fail
grimes - pass
o hanlon - 50/50 too early.
young rookie selections.
06
graham - fail
07
clingan- fail
08
collard - fail another high risk who came with baggage.
09
browne - fail.
gilligan - fail
10
hicks - fail
contin - fail
westhoff - fail
11
jakobi - fail
hislop - fail i inlclude him despite him being a mature pick because he was a jackson pick
12
darrou - too early
verrier - 50/50 too early possibly gone
turner - too early
13
williams - too early
if hes had a say in taking mature players it makes for even worse reading.
Compare it to other teams and you will see we have done very well. Its like you think every daraft pick we get should be the next Royce Hart or Jack Dyer
compared to other teams hes been lousy.
the success rate for all nd picks is around 60% you do the maths where is jacksons at.
no i expect 1st rounders to be at the very least a good player but aim foe very/good to elite.
2nd rounders for us picks mainly inside 30 i expect good to very good players.
3rd rounders you are looking for something decent.
after that with kids you are looking at about a 1 in 5/ 6 chance of them becoming decent. its one reason why ive advocated so hard for us to look at more state league players with later nd psd and rookie picks.
get your facts straight the next time you try and atribute statements to me,
its simple jackson is an upgrade on beck and miller but we should be aiming for better. his overall record is not great.
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ive gotta say we are making excuses .
at the end of the day tyhe buck and resposibility stops with francis jackson.
05
jon- fail
hughes - fail
casserley - fail
06
riewoldt - pass
s edwards - for the pick fail. eric mckenzie anyone, some will say pass so i will include him as a pass
connors - fail but at pick 58 it was more likely than not that this pick would fail. came with a poor reputation and it proved correct.
peterson - fail was a high risk.
collins - fail
07
cotchin - pass no brainer.
rance - at 18 fail imo if hes a pass its only just. has too mant weaknesses in his game for a top 20 pick.
putt - fail
did not use pick 64.
08
vickery - atm hes a 50/50 propisition everyone knows where i stand with this bloke.
post - fail
hislop - a late mature pick everyone knew hislop was a jackson favorite.
09
martin = pass. there was a top 4 and there was daylight.so a no brainer.
griffiths - sorry but to date hes a fail it may change it may not.he came with risk and again we took that risk with a valuable pick. carlisle black anyone or maybe a mid in bastinac.
astbury = to date a fail like griffiths being a tall he has some time on his side.
dea - pass was always going to be a project player imo hes coming along nicely. only gripe is where we took him. wanted another tall here had a list of 4.
taylor - fail. another of those high risk picks that ultimately failed. on talent alone it was maybe worth the risk early 4th rnd pick 51.
webberley - fail we needed to target talls.
nason - fail should never have been drafted.
10 all of these guys are in just yr 3 so it is hard to call. you can only really judge em on strengths and weakness too early to call em on performance.
conca - pass but the argument has always been did we jump the gun. i still prefer heppell.
batchelor - 50/50 was widely assumed he would go later. has some real concerns in his game and imo has not properly established himself.
helbig - 50/50 not done a lot in the 2s which is a concern has some real good attributes but he needs to go up a level.
mcdonald - fail another risky pick that bit us on the arse.
derickx - fail
11
ellis - pass
elton - who knows just too early.
arnot - bottom aged when taken still only 19 too early.
12
vlastuin - pass has proven to be a v/good pick to date.
mcintosh - too early to call.
mcbean - too early
mcdonough - too early.
thats the entire list of kids we have taken under jackson in the nd. does not include young psd and rookie picks. which makes for even worse reading.
youngsters taken psd/rookie drafts and i emphasise youngsters. does not include mature players who we cannot totally attribute to jackson.
white - fail
gourdis - fail
grimes - pass
o hanlon - 50/50 too early.
young rookie selections.
06
graham - fail
07
clingan- fail
08
collard - fail another high risk who came with baggage.
09
browne - fail.
gilligan - fail
10
hicks - fail
contin - fail
westhoff - fail
11
jakobi - fail
hislop - fail i inlclude him despite him being a mature pick because he was a jackson pick
12
darrou - too early
verrier - 50/50 too early possibly gone
turner - too early
13
williams - too early
if hes had a say in taking mature players it makes for even worse reading.
Compare it to other teams and you will see we have done very well. Its like you think every daraft pick we get should be the next Royce Hart or Jack Dyer
compared to other teams hes been lousy.
the success rate for all nd picks is around 60% you do the maths where is jacksons at.
no i expect 1st rounders to be at the very least a good player but aim foe very/good to elite.
2nd rounders for us picks mainly inside 30 i expect good to very good players.
3rd rounders you are looking for something decent.
after that with kids you are looking at about a 1 in 5/ 6 chance of them becoming decent. its one reason why ive advocated so hard for us to look at more state league players with later nd psd and rookie picks.
get your facts straight the next time you try and atribute statements to me,
its simple jackson is an upgrade on beck and miller but we should be aiming for better. his overall record is not great.
I agree 100% with that.
Buy the best in the business.
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No way 60% of draft picks are a pass. Not when you class guys like Edwards/Rance as fails.
You'd be lucky to get 60% of top 10's as passes.
2006 7/10 or 11/20
2007 7/10 or 13/20
2008 7/10 (Vickery is apparently a fail) or 10/20 (weird in a strong draft)
2009 4/10 or 9/20
2010 7/10 or 12/20
Can't be bothered going past pick 20 because the strike rate gets worse and worse. 2007 is the only one going above 60% with 2010 going at exactly 60% but likely to get some fails over a couple of years. This is ONLY really first rounders. 55/100. 56 including Vickery (who I'd have given a pass to. Yet we have nailed all our first rounders. Strange.
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From what i've been told Gale & Stahl are not on the list managment committee
they were at one stage, according to a report from a fan night.
To be fair, I think Stahl would only be involved when it comes to the financial/contract side of list management and recruiting while Gale, similar to March, is a part of every committee whenever he wants but would not be involved in any nuts and bolts meetings but only the final decisions or choices. Is the term ex-officio?
Yes that's the term. Common for a president to be ex-officio on all committees but not so for a CEO
I was at fan night where Hartley spoke and he was asked who was on the list management committee and I honestly don't recall him mentioning either Gale or Stahl being on the actual committee but did say that Gale has sat in on the odd meeting
* As for roles within the footy department - Cameron is the general manager of football so his role is to manage all the various arms of the footy dept - coaches, recruiting, list management, rehab, strength and conditioning. I think they were the 5 areas. The rehab and strength and conditioning areas have been split between two people and Matt Hornsby oversees both areas. The list management committee is made up of Cameron, Jackson, Hartley, Hardwick, Gale and Stahl (to keep an eye on finances). Dimma has a fair bit of input in trades but very little in draft selections. Cameron said they are organising the finances for the next year at the moment.
although it is a bit irrelevant because logic says that neither would have a great deal of input into actual players selected (it reportedly was gale that said to pull the trigger on recruiting Taylor, though), nor does it detract from FJ being the head of recruiting, so the buck stops with him.
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Thanks al,
that's interesting because as I said I was at a supporters function late last year (2012) and Hartley spoke and when asked who was on the committee he didn't mention Gale or Stahl
Wonder if it's changed since 2011 or hartle just didn't mention everyone :-\ ;D
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I stopped reading at Shane Edwards fail
Claw, do you actually watch any games ?
Seriously?
He is a jet !
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I stopped reading at Shane Edwards fail
Claw, do you actually watch any games ?
Seriously?
He is a jet !
Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
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Turn around Fine Eyes 8)
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Isnt this about the time of year when we find out in the press who we have an interest in for our first rounder. I reckon Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin have been suggested as early as June by someone in the press at some stage.
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Isnt this about the time of year when we find out in the press who we have an interest in for our first rounder. I reckon Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin have been suggested as early as June by someone in the press at some stage.
True Ramps, and funnily enough it is mostly with an incredulous wtf?
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
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:whistle
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
By part time do you mean he was sitting in front of a tv watching videos of prospective players?
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
By part time do you mean he was sitting in front of a tv watching videos of prospective players?
No, means he was still working full time as a teacher (Brighton Grammar - Sports Master for many years and coach of their 1st 18's) and doing some recruiting work for the club in his after hours. Started full time with the club on April 1 2006 at the end of the first school term. Miller was the boss boy until then.
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
By part time do you mean he was sitting in front of a tv watching videos of prospective players?
No, means he was still working full time as a teacher (Brighton Grammar - Sports Master for many years and coach of their 1st 18's) and doing some recruiting work for the club in his after hours. Started full time with the club on April 1 2006 at the end of the first school term. Miller was the boss boy until then.
So what your saying is he started as head recruiter in 2006? 2005 are Miller selections.
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Claw, can you explain why Rance is a fail yet Eric McKenzie is not?
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Isnt this about the time of year when we find out in the press who we have an interest in for our first rounder. I reckon Conca, Ellis and Vlastuin have been suggested as early as June by someone in the press at some stage.
Not conca, that never out until draft day when he got an invite to the draft.
the closest to that cat getting out of the bag was deep throat on Big Footy saying we had a surprise selection from WA as our first pick. (in subsequent weeks he then speculated on nearly every WA player except conca :lol)
first round picks don't have to be kept secret anyway. that knowledge isnt going to change a pick before yours.
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
By part time do you mean he was sitting in front of a tv watching videos of prospective players?
No, means he was still working full time as a teacher (Brighton Grammar - Sports Master for many years and coach of their 1st 18's) and doing some recruiting work for the club in his after hours. Started full time with the club on April 1 2006 at the end of the first school term. Miller was the boss boy until then.
So what your saying is he started as head recruiter in 2006? 2005 are Miller selections.
Yep.
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
By part time do you mean he was sitting in front of a tv watching videos of prospective players?
No, means he was still working full time as a teacher (Brighton Grammar - Sports Master for many years and coach of their 1st 18's) and doing some recruiting work for the club in his after hours. Started full time with the club on April 1 2006 at the end of the first school term. Miller was the boss boy until then.
So what your saying is he started as head recruiter in 2006? 2005 are Miller selections.
Yep.
:clapping
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Claw, can you explain why Rance is a fail yet Eric McKenzie is not?
Because McKenzie is a very good stopper and Rance isn't? Not that Rance is a fail. He was a decent pick IMO
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Thought McKenzie was superb on whoever he played on, would have been a ten goal loss to the Eagles without his efforts :cheers
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Should have stopped reading at 2005. FJ in this interview said he started in 2006. :whistle
Well that would be another lie.
He started as a part-time recruiter in 2005
He started FULL-TIME in 2006. :whistle
By part time do you mean he was sitting in front of a tv watching videos of prospective players?
Presumably watching videos but also looking at stuff like rep teams and selections.
Hurn - AIS, SA captain, AA, 2 X SANFL premierships
JON - WA selection.
Ooops, no maybe only watching videos and ignoring the experts who'd seen them play.
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which expert's advice would he have been ignoring?
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which expert's advice would he have been ignoring?
Shannon Hurn
AIS Academy selectors - 2004 AIS Academy.
Central District coaches - 2004 & 05 Premierships (named in best for '05 GF).
SA U18 Selectors - 2005 SA state rep.
SA Coaches - 2005 SA Captain.
AA Selectors - 2005 AA team.3
Also had a rookie contract with SA to play cricket as a junior in 2004 and passed on another in 2005.
Jarrod Oakley -Nichols
WA Selectors - 2005 State Rep.
"He started the year in the Colts and while he doesn't get a lot of the footy he can be very damaging with 15 possessions across half back-midfield"
East Perth football manager, Jarrod Chipperfield from Inside Football 9/11/05.
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sorry, still cant work out who's expert advice he was receiving and then ignored
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Add to that:
- Wallace wanted speed. TW rated our list the slowest in the AFL when he took over. His game plan relied on outside speed.
Hurn tested as very slow at the draft camp. JON tested top for agility and very high for speed.
At the following pre-draft night, 2006, (held at the old Social Club) the speed aspect got discussed at length. Very interesting insight were the stats that had been compiled in the previous 8 months. Which apparently was pretty much the first thing that FJ organized. Hayden Hill, our only IT guy, was managing the old website and compiling little databases of player stats going back 10 years if at all possible.
That was the Polak for picks 8/13 draft and FJ sweating on Jack lasting to pick 13. FJ's next favourite for pick 13 was Ben Reid. The longer development time was part of the reason he preferred Jack. FJ did just love Jack's footy smarts. At that night, FJ acknowledged assisting GM at the previous draft but that 2006 was the first where a) he was no longer teaching and b) where he had part of the structure that he needed/wanted.
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sorry, still cant work out who's expert advice he was receiving and then ignored
:banghead Experts who I listed in the previous post - selectors and coaches.
As a recruiter - part time, professional amateur or internet "expert" - you would look first of all at kids selected for the AIS academy the year before.
Then you would look at where they are playing now - TAC, WA Colts or State League seniors.
Then you would look at State team selections.
Then you would look at leadership in those teams.
Then you would look at best players in the National Championships
Then you would look at All Australian selections.
Finally you would look at draft camp testing.
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My take on the myriad of recruiting blunders during the Miller Reign;
Due to the club having a narcissistic president, a board with no talent & a CEO with no vision, they all thought it a great idea to enlist the services of a has been football manager & hammerheads icon in Greg Miller.
Now Miller was definetely a "do it all" kind a guy as well as having his ear to the ground he thought it unnecessary to actually watch any prospective recruits as he could just choose players every other team was interested in.
Teams like Geelong were already a step ahead of us & started by leaking the names of the worst kids in the draft to guys like Burgan and labelling them as "prospective players of great interest", thus fulfilling every teams wishes of effectively nullifying all of Richmonds picks.
Unfortunately for us we were like that "special" kid at school who thought he was in on the joke but was actually the joke himself. ;D
Geelong 2005 national draft.
National 1 15 Travis Varcoe
National 2 31 Trent West
National 2 35 Stephen Owen
National 3 47 Ryan Gamble
National 4 61 Mathew Stokes
Richmond 2005 national draft.
National 1 8 Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls
National 2 24 Cleve Hughes
National 3 40 Travis Casserly
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Interesting. Coz the following year Varcoe came up in discussions. The "information" the club had on the "seriousness" of his foot injury put them off.
Just like the seriousness of Joel Selwood's knee in 2006. Now Joel didn't last to 8 or 13 so would not have made it to us in any case. But he did last to 7 and Hawthorn had pick 6 and took that super talented, guaranteed round 1 pick by the highly vaunted Chris Pelchen in Mitch Thorp. In BF about 12 months later, Chris Pelchen, in Canberra, revealed that the medical report that Hawthorn had meant that Selwood was a definite no no. Was mentioned by GM and FJ as well. They had a medical report. Joel Selwood's AFL career would be finished when he was 23.
So maybe Steve Wells "great" record at the draft has an element of spurious info to other clubs to throw them off the scent.
What I see is an improving trend. As our knowledge and coverage grows, we get better at the gig. Given what he had at his disposal in 2006, I don't believe you can judge FJ on the first few years.
I'm better at my job now than I was 5 years ago. Sometimes you just need to build experience, collateral, processes, IP etc.
If you have to start from scratch, and given what FJ and GM discussed in 2006, we started from scratch in April 2006, when do you consider an organisation mature ? 3 years ? 5 years ? I know in my industry 3 to 5 years is the bare minimum before you are considered "mature".
Note: This discussion about mature recruiting teams gets analysed to death over here in the US with respect of the NFL and NBA. The consensus amongst fans is that you need the right GM, the right hands off approach to the recruiters and 3 years to get the recruiting mature and structured. The GM and structure is seen as key. (There's an entire thread on "Da Bears fan blog dedicated to it.) The structure came in 2008/9 for us. Whether you agree with Craig Cameron or not, the point is he was only appointed to head the Footy Dept in 2008/9. And Benny came on board in 2009 ??
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Geelong is definetely doing some dodgy business no doubt about it.
But I'm on to them. :police:
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Agree HK, then you need to let the picks mature and develop. Especially when compared to American sports where they are developed at College until they're ready 19-22yo as opposed to our 18 year olds.
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sorry, still cant work out who's expert advice he was receiving and then ignored
:banghead Experts who I listed in the previous post - selectors and coaches.
As a recruiter - part time, professional amateur or internet "expert" - you would look first of all at kids selected for the AIS academy the year before.
Then you would look at where they are playing now - TAC, WA Colts or State League seniors.
Then you would look at State team selections.
Then you would look at leadership in those teams.
Then you would look at best players in the National Championships
Then you would look at All Australian selections.
Finally you would look at draft camp testing.
:lol
thats how the armchair experts work.
the real experts watch the kids in action, of have someone they trust do. they speak to the kids, to their family and to their coaches.
i can now see what you are saying and find it a very strange description of ignoring the experts. if not reading inside football is ignoring the experts then id say that most recruiters were and still are guilty.
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:lol
thats how the armchair experts work.
the real experts watch the kids in action, of have someone they trust do. they speak to the kids, to their family and to their coaches.
i can now see what you are saying and find it a very strange description of ignoring the experts. if not reading inside football is ignoring the experts then id say that most recruiters were and still are guilty.
Judging on your latest it seems that you're intent on ignoring what I post.
Since we are talking about Jackson being a part-time recruiter, unable to watch the kids in action, I would agree that he would be an "armchair expert".
So why didn't he take note of the things I've mentioned, like AIS, AA, SANFL premierships?
"the real experts watch the kids in action"
So you are saying that the AIS selectors, SANFL senior coaches, SA U18 selectors, SA U18 coaches are not real experts?
"they speak to ....their coaches"
But you've said that's only for armchair experts since I've listed both Hurn's club and state coaches among the experts opinion.
The only reason why I quoted the East Perth Football Manager was to give an idea of how JON was viewed within his junior club.
But hey it was reported in Inside Football so it must be untrue.
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Sliding Doors: round 11
By Damian Barrett
Friday, June 7, 2013
Richmond
IF ....... it was fair game to attack Richmond’s recruiters during the past 10 years
THEN … it is only fair that we all acknowledge they’ve got a lot of decisions very, very right in recent years.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-07/sliding-doors-round-eight
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:lol
thats how the armchair experts work.
the real experts watch the kids in action, of have someone they trust do. they speak to the kids, to their family and to their coaches.
i can now see what you are saying and find it a very strange description of ignoring the experts. if not reading inside football is ignoring the experts then id say that most recruiters were and still are guilty.
Judging on your latest it seems that you're intent on ignoring what I post.
Since we are talking about Jackson being a part-time recruiter, unable to watch the kids in action, I would agree that he would be an "armchair expert".
So why didn't he take note of the things I've mentioned, like AIS, AA, SANFL premierships?
"the real experts watch the kids in action"
So you are saying that the AIS selectors, SANFL senior coaches, SA U18 selectors, SA U18 coaches are not real experts?
"they speak to ....their coaches"
But you've said that's only for armchair experts since I've listed both Hurn's club and state coaches among the experts opinion.
The only reason why I quoted the East Perth Football Manager was to give an idea of how JON was viewed within his junior club.
But hey it was reported in Inside Football so it must be untrue.
so going by your theory the 22 all australians should fill the first 22 draft selections and if they don't then the recruiters are ignoring the experts?
you don't think that when talking to the coaches the recruiters would ask a few more in depth questions than a journalist?
I doubt too many would question that he was behind the eight ball in terms of time and resources, but if you want to believe that not using the tried and true internet expert formula is ignoring the experts then bully for you.
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so going by your theory the 22 all australians should fill the first 22 draft selections and if they don't then the recruiters are ignoring the experts?
you don't think that when talking to the coaches the recruiters would ask a few more in depth questions than a journalist?
I doubt too many would question that he was behind the eight ball in terms of time and resources, but if you want to believe that not using the tried and true internet expert formula is ignoring the experts then bully for you.
And going by your theory AIS selectors, SANFL coaches, State selectors and state coaches have no idea and are armchair experts.
The coaches have demonstrated what they really think by their actions (eg selecting Hurn for TWO SA gf's while a junior or slecting him as the SA captain) rather than any red herring about talking to journalists.
So now looking at academy selections, state league records, state junior selection and national junior selections are "internet expert formula".
I look forward to reminding you of this thread when next you post your opinion of drafting juniors.
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sweet, good luck with that. one of the reasons i dont pass too much judgment on juniors is because i don't know too much about them and dont use such simplified measures to try to make out I do.
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sweet, good luck with that. one of the reasons i dont pass too much judgment on juniors is because i don't know too much about them and dont use such simplified measures to try to make out I do.
Just a quick example from a simple search re McIntosh drafting
This kid has already played and performed at senior level
in 4 games
55 kicks and 15 HB for 70 disposals and 20 marks.
not too shabby for an 18 year old in his first games
and yet Hurn played in 2 senior premierships, including in the best for the second one.
Not too shabby for an 18 year old. oops now I've passed judgement on a junior.
But hey, according to you it's all simplified measures for an internet expert formula.
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you go girl!
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Cleve Hughes says hello.
CHF AA Under 18 team.
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Cleve Hughes says hello.
CHF AA Under 18 team.
Stephen Wells somehow made him look good on purpose. It worked because we picked him up. ;D
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Cleve Hughes says hello.
CHF AA Under 18 team.
Stephen Wells somehow made him look good on purpose. It worked because we picked him up. ;D
LOL
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What was wrong with Cleve Hughes? Why did he fail? Anybody? Bueller?
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didn't he have heart problems? or was missing one or something?
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What was wrong with Cleve Hughes? Why did he fail? Anybody? Bueller?
He came to Richmond and contracted a rare disease called Tigeritis. He isnt alone, It's effected a few over the years.
Maxfield got out before he was infected & it took Geelong 2 years to cure Ottens. ;D
I reckon they might have got rid of it from Punt road but I'm not completely sure yet.
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didn't he go spaco after seeing polak head butt the tram?
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didn't he go spaco after seeing polak head butt the tram?
Yeah but his football remained at the same level
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:lol
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So who is our first round draft pick this year. How come it hasnt been leaked yet? What a disgrace! We deserve to know so we can all start doing our teams on paper with the newbie to be selected ;D
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So who is our first round draft pick this year. How come it hasnt been leaked yet? What a disgrace! We deserve to know so we can all start doing our teams on paper with the newbie to be selected ;D
:lol
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After doing some indepth and amazingly brilliant research on Big Footy I have found out that our 1st round pick this year is a kid called Christian Salem. Now you can all get to doing your teams with young Christian in the ranks.
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After doing some indepth and amazingly brilliant research on Big Footy I have found out that our 1st round pick this year is a kid called Christian Salem. Now you can all get to doing your teams with young Christian in the ranks.
Is he a pure mid ?
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Nup short ass HFF
I don't want. Club does.
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My preference for our first pick is Jack Billings or Josh Kelly.
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didn't he go spaco after seeing polak head butt the tram?
Did you get that diagnosis from a trained psychologist or an armchair one?
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After doing some indepth and amazingly brilliant research on Big Footy I have found out that our 1st round pick this year is a kid called Christian Salem. Now you can all get to doing your teams with young Christian in the ranks.
That's the mail im getting, can play a bit too :shh
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After doing some indepth and amazingly brilliant research on Big Footy I have found out that our 1st round pick this year is a kid called Christian Salem. Now you can all get to doing your teams with young Christian in the ranks.
That's the mail im getting, can play a bit too :shh
Here's a write-up on Salem from Boundforglory's June phantom draft:
10. Christian Salem (VIC – Mid)
Sandringham Dragons
182 cm 83 kgs
Player Comparison: Scott Pendlebury
Considered Cameron Conlon here but I think his injury might allow him to slip a little. Looks like a human wrecking ball but is far from it. Whilst Salem can win the inside ball with his tenacity and strength, but the real highlight of his game is his rare ability to find time and space when it shouldn’t be there. In his first TAC Cup game this season, Salem dominated the first half to the point where I literally couldn’t take notes on any other player because he was the only one catching my eye. In heavy traffic, he manages to evade a tackle and spot up a player perfectly, even with immense pressure around him. Salem can hit the scoreboard too, although his game isn’t suited to the forward line. His outside skills are fantastic and he is a fantastic tackler. To be quite honest, I think he is a better player than Josh Kelly, but Kelly is a superior athlete. Against New South Wales/ACT, Salem was played in the forward pocket and kicked three goals. Yet when he moved up the field, he just played with such composure and measured his kicks so well.
http://boundforglorynews.com/phantom-draft-june-edition-jourdan-canil/
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didn't he go spaco after seeing polak head butt the tram?
Did you get that diagnosis from a trained psychologist or an armchair one?
:lol
dunno it was a 1900 number and cost 4.98 per minute
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didn't he go spaco after seeing polak head butt the tram?
Did you get that diagnosis from a trained psychologist or an armchair one?
:lol
dunno it was a 1900 number and cost 4.98 per minute
Alberts young man youre not still ringing those porno lines are you :lol
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that's my number
call me, i can do a range of voices :-*
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After doing some indepth and amazingly brilliant research on Big Footy I have found out that our 1st round pick this year is a kid called Christian Salem. Now you can all get to doing your teams with young Christian in the ranks.
Is he a pure mid ?
More outside than in. But yes he's a midfielder. Gun.
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that's my number
call me, i can do a range of voices :-*
I specially like the one when you are wearing the gimp suit that you have got too fat for. the way that extra tightness makes you voice sound like a post op tranny......... :wub
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have had the op :cheers
the gimp suit was giving me deep vein thrombosis
reminds me, i knew a greek guy called wayne thrombosis, bit of a thinker, reckons we should give fine eyes francis a bit of leeway until we have a balanced list and he gets a chance to pick three or four mids a year for a few years straight
me, i'm not so sure
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have had the op :cheers
the gimp suit was giving me deep vein thrombosis
reminds me, i knew a greek guy called wayne thrombosis, bit of a thinker, reckons we should give fine eyes francis a bit of leeway until we have a balanced list and he gets a chance to pick three or four mids a year for a few years straight
me, i'm not so sure
I Know that guy, Wayne papathrombosis!