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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Willy on March 07, 2016, 06:50:43 PM
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http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-07/damien-hardwick-set-for-new-deal-before-round-one
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Yep Mark Stevens just said on Ch7 news that "you can take it to the bank, 2 year extension for Damien Hardwick"
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great news
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:facepalm :facepalm
well done richmond. The extra year is an arbitrary move!
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Hmmm...... :huh
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Horrible news. Been here 7 years and yet to prove he can win a final
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Unnecessary.
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If he wins an elimination in his ninth year, they'll give him another five that day.
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All will seem too real when they win 2 out of their first 16 games this year.
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If we don't make the finals or at least win one I doubt the contract will be honoured for the two years'
Time will tell :-\
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dont want the media writing things, do we
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If we don't make the finals or at least win one I doubt the contract will be honoured for the two years'
Time will tell :-\
Thank you for keeping an open mind.
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I don't think it necessary to resign him before a ball is kicked in anger.
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I'd like to resign him
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Was hoping it would be a five year contract so as to have some stability
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Was hoping it would be a five year contract so as to have some stability
5 is way too short for stability. Sydney gave Lance 10 and he was just a player! It's the least we could do for Dimma!
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I cant post the article at the moment
But Fox Sports are saying the 2 year extension is the recommendation of Benny Gale
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I cant post the article at the moment
But Fox Sports are saying the 2 year extension is the recommendation of Benny Gale
Oh balls
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Damien Hardwick set for new Tigers deal before round one
AFL.com.au
March 7, 2016
RICHMOND is set to extend Damien Hardwick's contract before round one and spare the coach an uncertain start to the season.
AFL.com.au has confirmed the Tigers are preparing to offer the coach a two-year extension, taking him through to the end of 2018.
With 17 days before the club's season opener against Carlton on March 24, an announcement is expected before the ball is bounced to launch a defining season for the coach.
The new terms could see the 43-year-old become just the third man to coach more than 200 games with Richmond, joining club greats Jack Dyer and Tom Hafey.
He would also draw within reach of Hafey's record of 248 games in charge.
Hardwick has led the Tigers to the finals in each of the past three seasons but his team has been unable to clear the first hurdle, bowing out in three straight elimination finals.
He was set to enter 2016 under mounting pressure, but the Tigers will avoid that distraction by making his appointment official before round one.
Hardwick has led the Tigers in 135 games for a winning record of 66-67 (49 per cent) with two draws.
He turned the club's season around in 2015 after a poor start, leading them to 13 wins from their last 16 games.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-07/damien-hardwick-set-for-new-deal-before-round-one
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Damien Hardwick contract: Richmond coach set to have current deal extended to 2018
Jake Niall
Source: FOX SPORTS
March 7, 2016
RICHMOND is set to hand Damien Hardwick a two-year contract extension that would tie the coach to the Tigers until the end of 2018.
Richmond has all but agreed to a two-year extension for Hardwick, with the club board expected to approve of the deal recommended by chief executive Brendon Gale, who has been overseas on club business.
Hardwick’s management and Gale still have to finalise some details and the board has to formally approve, but the basics of the new contract have been agreed upon. Richmond’s head of football Dan Richardson also has been involved in the discussions with Hardwick’s management.
The Tigers’ administration has maintained faith in Hardwick and has already signalled that he would be recontracted beyond 2016, with the major question whether he would receive a one or two-year extension.
Hardwick’s position was secure after the Tigers did their end of 2015 review and the club administration and board have taken the view that they have been making progress, despite the disappointing loss to North Melbourne in the elimination final last September.
Hardwick has coached the Tigers to three consecutive finals appearances — the first Richmond coach to do so since Tom Hafey — but they have not won a final.
The two-year extension means Hardwick will be contracted to coach the Tigers into a ninth season, having been appointed coach before the 2010 season. In his time, the Tigers are seen to have made steady progress from a low base, though their inability to win a final and increased expectations have placed him under greater scrutiny over the past 18 months.
The decision to renew Hardwick for two years continues a pattern of senior coaches having their contracts extended. It follows Fremantle’s extending of Ross Lyon’s tenure for a further three years — stretching his contracted term until the end of 2020 — while the game’s most decorated and dominant coach, Hawthorn’s Alastair Clarkson, is about to be extended until the end of 2019.
Hardwick has a win-loss ratio marginally under 50 per cent (66-67 and two draws) in his six completed years, but had a 65 per cent winning ratio in two of the last three seasons, the Tigers having finished fifth in the home and away seasons of both 2013 and 2015 with 15 wins and eighth (12 wins) in 2014. He started his stint with nine consecutive losses in 2010.
http://www.stuff-contract-richmond-coach-set-to-have-current-deal-extended-to-2018/news-story/705f687415aa076d6887a2387dbb1b93
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Just wondering - what are the most seasons a VFL/AFL coach has coached the same club without winning a final, or before winning their first final?
Furthermore, what's the longest a VFL/AFL coach has coached the same club before winning their first final and then going on to eventually win a premiership with that same club?
Interested to see if there have been any precedents since 1897.
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Just wondering - what are the most seasons a VFL/AFL coach has coached the same club without winning a final, or before winning their first final?
Furthermore, what's the longest a VFL/AFL coach has coached the same club before winning their first final and then going on to eventually win a premiership with that same club? Interested to see if there are any precedents since 1897.
Since 1965, 15 coaches have winless finals records. Dimma is the only one with 3 finals losses without a win.
Robert Walls has the lowest finals win percentage (5 from 13 = 38.5%) of the premiership coaches since 1965. He won an EF in 1981 at Fitzroy before losing the next 4 finals in row. In 1983, the Roys went out in straight sets after finishing 3rd (equal 2nd on %). Walls then swapped with Parkin in 1986 and won a flag at Carlton in 1987.
Of course, Richmond sacked the only premiership coach since 1965 with a 100% finals winning record in TJ :P.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/afl_coaches?status=&type=F&sort=p
Worsfold coached the Eagles to three consecutive years of EF losses 2002-4 before making the GF in 2005 and winning the flag in 2006.
2002 EF - WC lost to Ess. @ Docklands 78 - 111
2003 EF - WC lost to Adel. @ Footy Park 57 - 113
2004 EF - WC lost to Syd. @ ANZ Stadium 34 - 75
2005 QF - WC def. Syd @ Subiaco 69 - 65
http://afltables.com/afl/
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Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
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#stability
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If Joe Russo was on the board, would he be for or against the extension you reckon? What about O'Shannassy/chadwick?
anyone know?
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Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .
Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership
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Hardwick extension means little: Kennelly
Source: SportsFan
Tuesday, March 08, 2016
A contract extension for Damien Hardwick is imminent, and Tadhg Kennelly thinks this is a sign of solidarity by Richmond - but they have to perform in the 2016 finals.
Richmond shouldn't hesitate in ripping up Damien Hardwick's new two-year contract extension, argues Tadhg Kennelly, should the coach fail to take his team to the second week of the finals.
Having first discussed a new offer late last season, the Tigers appear set to have Hardwick put pen to paper before round one.
Former Swans defender Kennelly says that while the contract is part show of faith and part stability, it will mean little if the results don't come.
"You'd think it would be (a good move) at the start of the year because they're trying to sell the message of 'it's secure, we're backing you in, you're the man for us to get us into the top four and get a premiership'," he told SportsFan's Will McCloy.
"Fact of the matter is they haven't won a final the last three years they've been in there. I actually thought last year if they made the top four, they were a chance of making the grand final.
"They looked like a team that was extremely dangerous and they'd beaten all the top four teams in the home and away season. They didn't do that, they finished outside the top four and lost the first final."
Kennelly expects Richmond to have little trouble making the finals again in 2016.
However, even a 10-year contract would be torn up if the Tigers fail to win their first final – elimination, qualifying or even semi, should they finish top four and lose in the first week – since 2001.
"If he loses another first final, if they don't make the top four, well you can guarantee if they gave him a 10-year contract right now, it's gone," he said.
"You can't, as a coach, go through three years in a row losing the first final, that's what you're really judged on. (If he loses again) I think it's scrap, scrap. I think it has to be."
http://www.sportsfan.com.au/hardwick-extension-means-little-kennelly/tabid/91/newsid/191597/default.aspx?cid=SF_LOWDOWN_AFL_article_hardwickextensionmeanslittlekennelly_080316
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Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .
Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership
Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....
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Port almost folded ffs
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Port almost folded ffs
but they don't have grigg and they got rid of chapman
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Since 1965, 15 coaches have winless finals records. Dimma is the only one with 3 finals losses without a win.
Robert Walls has the lowest finals win percentage (5 from 13 = 38.5%) of the premiership coaches since 1965. He won an EF in 1981 at Fitzroy before losing the next 4 finals in row. In 1983, the Roys went out in straight sets after finishing 3rd (equal 2nd on %). Walls then swapped with Parkin in 1986 and won a flag at Carlton in 1987.
Of course, Richmond sacked the only premiership coach since 1965 with a 100% finals winning record in TJ :P.
Hey, leave me out of it.
:lol
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Chapman has had it. Send him back to Geelong.
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Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .
Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership
Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....
I agree, "the worst since Fitzroy" is so far off the mark it isn't funny.
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.
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Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .
Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership
Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....
I agree, "the worst since Fitzroy" is so far off the mark it isn't funny.
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.
interesting
2010 draft we had pick 6
2011 draft we had pick 15
2012 draft we had pick 9
2013 draft we had pick 12
2014 draft we had pick 12
2015 draft we had pick 15
compared to the players you named @ picks 1,2,18,13,26,3 & 8
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Port almost folded ffs
but they don't have grigg and they got rid of chapman
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.
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Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .
Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership
Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....
I agree, "the worst since Fitzroy" is so far off the mark it isn't funny.
A side with Lids, Cotch, Rance, Jack, Edwards, Martin, and Vickery can't be all that bad even though they were young. Still to this day they our best players and we are 6 drafts on.
interesting
2010 draft we had pick 6
2011 draft we had pick 15
2012 draft we had pick 9
2013 draft we had pick 12
2014 draft we had pick 12
2015 draft we had pick 15
compared to the players you named @ picks 1,2,18,13,26,3 & 8
I'm not totally sure of your point but those picks of the last 6 years are all decent picks. All first round picks. But really Vlastuin is the only one that has shown he could be as good as the other 7 named.
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Russo said he thought Hardwick was good (great?) coach .
Ok thanks, so no precedents of a coach taking 7 or more seasons to win their first final and then going on to win a flag with the same club in 120 seasons of VFL/AFL football then....
not that i advocate the extension by any stretch, but how many coaches have taken over such a basket case and got them to finals in 4 years? and there is a precedent of a coach taking 4 years of finals appearances to win a final then go on to win a premiership
Dunno Al - no doubt Hardwick didn't start in ideal circumstances, but I reckon the whole "basket case" thing is a bit exaggerated and a crutch some people are still using 7 seasons later....mainly to do with all the "worst since Fitzroy" crap the media ran with in the first half of 2010 - we ended up winning 6 games nearly won a 7th from 10 goals down and didn't even finish last, so we weren't even the worst side in the comp. We were far more of a basket case when Wallace took over IMO (not that I rate that prick either)....but hell, Port were nearly insolvent when Hinkley got the job there....and look at all the stuff that happened to Footscray last off-season.......now these are far from perfect analogies I know and they both still had fairly good lists....but those first year coaches both overcame serious issues and were immediately successful, while we're using excuses from 2010 in 2016....
Absolutely spot on.
I can think of one club/coach who was no better off than us in fact their list was considered worse than ours and won a flag in his fourth year. Does Alister Clarkson ring any bells.
What an absolute nonsense this basket case crap is.
I think he did quitre well in his first three seasons but since 2012 i thnk we have stagnated and the hard decisions have stopped.
WCE FINISHED LAST IN 2010 yet have made a G/F.
In Hardwicks time many sides started above us then went backwards and have now either gone past us or threaten to. Yet all we get is this basket case rubbish from 7 years ago.
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Three consecutive failures in elimination finals should pretty much be the icing on the cake.
Put it is way, I don't see that as any reason to extend his contract, let alone by two years.
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lmao at a club that had not played finals for 8 years, once in the last 14 and twice in the last 27 not being a basket case. If that is not a basket case WTF is? :lol
In the last 50 the only coaches to take over a club that had not played finals for 5 years or more and go on to win a premiership were Malthouse and Pagan It took Malthouse 4 years to make the finals and 11 to win a premiership, Pagan 1 and 4. Interestingly, both went on coach carlton, Malthouse taking over after 3 final series in 4 years, making the finals through default in his first and then sliding the blues down to a wooden spoon, while pagan also took over after 3 final appearances in 4 years, finishing with 2 wooden spoons and 2 2nd lasts in his 5 years.
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Meanwhile, Vickery has backed the imminent two-year contract extension set to be handed to coach Damien Hardwick.
AFL.com.au reported on Monday night that Hardwick's new deal would be confirmed before the start of the season.
"It's the right time and he's the right man and I think giving him the security, and taking away any scrutiny is the right thing," Vickery said.
"It's really good news for Damien and the football club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return
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lmao at a club that had not played finals for 8 years, once in the last 14 and twice in the last 27 not being a basket case. If that is not a basket case WTF is? :lol
In the last 50 the only coaches to take over a club that had not played finals for 5 years or more and go on to win a premiership were Malthouse and Pagan It took Malthouse 4 years to make the finals and 11 to win a premiership, Pagan 1 and 4. Interestingly, both went on coach carlton, Malthouse taking over after 3 final series in 4 years, making the finals through default in his first and then sliding the blues down to a wooden spoon, while pagan also took over after 3 final appearances in 4 years, finishing with 2 wooden spoons and 2 2nd lasts in his 5 years.
Malthouse made the finals in his 3rd year at Collingwood, all the way to the Grand Final , as he did again in his fourth year.
Sorry Al but I thought a "basket case" referred to things like the state of the list, off-field turmoil, in-fighting, serious financial strife, no resources, player discontent, stars walking out etc...we were in debt but we weren't about to fold, the board was united, we had a core of good young players...a definite plan (for once)....improving resources, no-one significant walked out. Even Wallace had to deal with Ottens walking out. We were certainly in a better state than we were in 2005. Yes we've been a basket case at various stages over the last three decades but it actually wasn't as dire in 2010 as many would have you believe.....Hardwick's had a damn site more support & resources at his disposal than Wallace or Frawely ever did.....hell, probably more than any Richmond coach ever has....
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yeah thats correct re malthouse, i must have been looking at the table cross eyed.
it doesnt change that very few coaches have taken over a club with such an ingrained culture of failure as Richmond had, and had any real success.
It also needs to be taken into consideration that before Hardwick first season there were 8 (9 if you count Polak) delistings 3 retirements and 2 traded out , thats over a quarter of your list and over 100 games of experience. I dont think there was any player on the list who had played AFL finals and for the first three years hardwick effective tanked, sfter stripping the list back a bare core, he was more concerned about getting 500 games of experience into young players than actually winning.
Seriously, i doubt anyone that is saying we were not a basket case sat back at the end of 2009 and thought, " geez, how good is this state of affairs?"
I have doubts he can deliver a premeirship, but he started a long way back and it never ceases to amaze me how once people have made their mind in the negative on someone they outright refuse to see any positve at all
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yeah thats correct re malthouse, i must have been looking at the table cross eyed.
Whats new here you look at all things cross eyed.
Plain old common sense, which lets face it we wont get from you, says most coaches get sacked because their sides were on or near the bottom of the ladder. On field basket cases.
Hardwicks situation was no different to many others.In fact Wallace had done a lot of the rebuilding work before he came making Hardwicks job easier than a lot of coaches having to start from scratch.
lmao at a club that had not played finals for 8 years, once in the last 14 and twice in the last 27 not being a basket case. If that is not a basket case WTF is? :lol
In the last 50 the only coaches to take over a club that had not played finals for 5 years or more and go on to win a premiership were Malthouse and Pagan It took Malthouse 4 years to make the finals and 11 to win a premiership, Pagan 1 and 4. Interestingly, both went on coach carlton, Malthouse taking over after 3 final series in 4 years, making the finals through default in his first and then sliding the blues down to a wooden spoon, while pagan also took over after 3 final appearances in 4 years, finishing with 2 wooden spoons and 2 2nd lasts in his 5 years.
Malthouse made the finals in his 3rd year at Collingwood, all the way to the Grand Final , as he did again in his fourth year.
Sorry Al but I thought a "basket case" referred to things like the state of the list, off-field turmoil, in-fighting, serious financial strife, no resources, player discontent, stars walking out etc...we were in debt but we weren't about to fold, the board was united, we had a core of good young players...a definite plan (for once)....improving resources, no-one significant walked out. Even Wallace had to deal with Ottens walking out. We were certainly in a better state than we were in 2005. Yes we've been a basket case at various stages over the last three decades but it actually wasn't as dire in 2010 as many would have you believe.....Hardwick's had a damn site more support & resources at his disposal than Wallace or Frawely ever did.....hell, probably more than any Richmond coach ever has....
That cant be right a logical common sense look at things. It just doesnt fit in with Alisons rose coloured view of all things footy.
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Well stuff me I have heard it all now
Lets bring back Wallace
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Well stuff me I have heard it all now
Lets bring back Wallace
Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.
I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7 yrs of dimma and so few have got to their level.
I would argue no it is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also the keeping of and utilising first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.
Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.
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Claw you just proved you know nothing.
Wallace doing the job for Dimma :lol I'm not even sold on Dimma and I can say he DID start from scratch. Did you see our side in 2010? Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer and all kinds of shockers were walk up starts. He played anyone and everyone. After 2010, we saw good improvement every year through to 2013. Since then, we've been unable to win a final which is why, in my opinion, it is ridiculous to give him a further 2 seasons on his contract. however, this does not mean that Hardwick didn't do a good job to get us into the spot we're currently in now.
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Well stuff me I have heard it all now
Lets bring back Wallace
Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.
I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7 yrs of dimma and so few have got to their level.
I would argue no it is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also the keeping of and utilising first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.
Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.
I was about to say you have lost all credibility giving Wallace the credit for the current list but something has just hit me...are you Terry Wallace......or his wife/girlfirend or boyfriend?
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Petey, how did you rate Hawthorn when Clarkson took over or Port when Hinkley started?
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Well stuff me I have heard it all now
Lets bring back Wallace
Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.
I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7 yrs of dimma and so few have got to their level.
I would argue no it is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also the keeping of and utilising first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.
Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.
I was about to say you have lost all credibility giving Wallace the credit for the current list but something has just hit me...are you Terry Wallace......or his wife/girlfirend or boyfriend?
"Rayzorwire" was TW, Chucky.....and to be fair to old claw, from what I remember, he definitely didn't like Rayzorwire....
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Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over
Both clubs were in better positions than us imo
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Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over
Both clubs were in better positions than us imo
Fair enough.
FWIW, I think Wallace was a better tactical coach and match day coach and we were in an better position in 2010 then we were in 2005, particularly off-field, but that has nothing to do with Leatherface and there's no way in hell he did a better job than Hardwick or helped set him up... but again I'd also add that no Richmond coach has been better supported & resourced than Hardwick has been during his tenure....(though I still think we've been short on assistants/ line coaches since Leppa left....) would also add that some decidedly ordinary & uninspired list management IMO has contributed to the stagnation in the last couple of years as much as Hardwick's coaching and selections....
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Yeah I'd agree with that
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Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.
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Wallace went the half assed rebuild
Which is almost fair enough given the brown-Richo. We were 7-2 and flying
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Claw you just proved you know nothing.
Wallace doing the job for Dimma :lol I'm not even sold on Dimma and I can say he DID start from scratch. Did you see our side in 2010? Ben Nason, Mitch Farmer and all kinds of shockers were walk up starts. He played anyone and everyone. After 2010, we saw good improvement every year through to 2013. Since then, we've been unable to win a final which is why, in my opinion, it is ridiculous to give him a further 2 seasons on his contract. however, this does not mean that Hardwick didn't do a good job to get us into the spot we're currently in now.
I made just two points.
1/ Cotchin, Deledio, Rance Riewoldt, Edwards, Vickery all widely regarded as our better players a few i disagree with but thats another debate.These are wallace picks. The simple fact remains so few players From Hardwicks 6 yrs have achieved that level. People are in denial if they think we can win games without the Wallace era picks.We would probably finish on the bottom.
Clarkson had a similar group of kids coming thru when he took over at the Hawks as Hardwick had when he took over.It took him just three years to win a final.
Another simple fact remains is when Wallace took over from Spud every year before we were trading out of the early rounds of the ND. Wallace put a stop to that and we have used every first round pick since Wallace began at the club.Now this culture change began with WALLACE not 5 yrs later with Hardwick.
Look i despise Wallace as much as the next poster but i will give him credit in the few instances he deserves it. Are you telling me Wallace did nothing of any good while at richmond.
For the record Hardwick bought Farmer, Nason and all sorts of shockers to the club.I can give you a list of around 30 odd if you wish thats probably being conservative.
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Well stuff me I have heard it all now
Lets bring back Wallace
Ah Alisons little side kick Where ever Al goes theres little chucky holding his hot little hand in support.Stop fretting little chuck Al can look after himself.
With yet another incisive informative post lol.
I suppose Riewoldt, Deledio, Cotchin, Rance Vickery Edwards are not among our better players still. Without them we would finish on the bottom of the ladder. 7 yrs of dimma and so few have got to their level.
I would argue no it is fact.Our better players are still the players taken under Wallace. Also the keeping of and utilising first round picks as a matter of course began under Wallace.Thats probably the biggest culture change this club has adopted and it began with Wallace. Maybe he should be given some credit for the 1st round picks we have taken since his time.
But hey that doesnt fit your warped little view that nothing good ever came from the wallace years.
Now go away like a good little boy and only come back when you can actually voice an opinion of your own containing just a smidgeon of common sense.
I was about to say you have lost all credibility giving Wallace the credit for the current list but something has just hit me...are you Terry Wallace......or his wife/girlfirend or boyfriend?
"Rayzorwire" was TW, Chucky.....and to be fair to old claw, from what I remember, he definitely didn't like Rayzorwire....
Lol old Rayzor i wonder what that fool is up to nowdays. Probably got some sense and stopped posting on footy forums for nuffies.
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You know what's worse than posting on football forums for nuffies?
Repeatedly saying that you quit said forums only to return a few days later.
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Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over
Both clubs were in better positions than us imo
Havent we drafted well since Hardwick took over. ;)
Port finished 16th of 17 teams in 2011 with just 3 wins. how was there list in better shape than ours ? There is just too much b/s and excuse making going on here.Theres this inferiority complex where supporters have to paint the picture of we did it harder than anyone else what a crock of poo.
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You know what's worse than posting on football forums for nuffies?
Repeatedly saying that you quit said forums only to return a few days later.
That would make me a nuffie as well, i was including myself in the comment. Its not all about you Willy :whistle
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Meanwhile, Vickery has backed the imminent two-year contract extension set to be handed to coach Damien Hardwick.
AFL.com.au reported on Monday night that Hardwick's new deal would be confirmed before the start of the season.
"It's the right time and he's the right man and I think giving him the security, and taking away any scrutiny is the right thing," Vickery said.
"It's really good news for Damien and the football club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return
Of course he would back Dimwit. Damien keeps on gifting him games when no others would. Its not just about Damiens security he is talking about here. :o :snidegrin
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Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over
Both clubs were in better positions than us imo
Fair enough.
FWIW, I think Wallace was a better tactical coach and match day coach and we were in an better position in 2010 then we were in 2005, particularly off-field, but that has nothing to do with Leatherface and there's no way in hell he did a better job than Hardwick or helped set him up... but again I'd also add that no Richmond coach has been better supported & resourced than Hardwick has been during his tenure....(though I still think we've been short on assistants/ line coaches since Leppa left....) would also add that some decidedly ordinary & uninspired list management IMO has contributed to the stagnation in the last couple of years as much as Hardwick's coaching and selections....
I would agree with most of that. Just pointing out there was a few things Wallace did get right, not many but a few.
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Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.
Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.
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Meanwhile, Vickery has backed the imminent two-year contract extension set to be handed to coach Damien Hardwick.
AFL.com.au reported on Monday night that Hardwick's new deal would be confirmed before the start of the season.
"It's the right time and he's the right man and I think giving him the security, and taking away any scrutiny is the right thing," Vickery said.
"It's really good news for Damien and the football club."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return
Of course he would back Dimwit. Damien keeps on gifting him games when no others would. Its not just about Damiens security he is talking about here. :o :snidegrin
Gifting him games? Not sure about that. Couldn't get back in for the final vs Port after snotting Cox and spent a large chunk in the twos last year with good results when he returned.
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Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.
Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.
Yeah, fair enough but Wallace had the chance to rebuild under more favorable conditions draft wise than Dimma.
Whether Wallace had the resources is a question worth exploring.
As for excuses, I am not making one as I firmly believe that Hardwick has the list in much better shape than any time in 30 years. No excuses are required on that ground.
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Do Melbourne have any excuses for their drafting
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.. but again I'd also add that no Richmond coach has been better supported & resourced than Hardwick has been during his tenure....
Ooh, careful with that axe Eugene! Have a flip through some of the financial reports from the 80's & then compare them to this years. The numbers look much bigger now & that has to be good, right? Some basic economics will tell you that bigger numbers don't mean better, especially if we are talking Football Department spending. $10g's would look significant in TW's days, but now in the Hardwick era that is mere loose change ...
Our numbers might be bigger than before, but some other clubs' current numbers would still eat ours for breakfast! :o
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Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.
Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.
Yeah, fair enough but Wallace had the chance to rebuild under more favorable conditions draft wise than Dimma.
Whether Wallace had the resources is a question worth exploring.
As for excuses, I am not making one as I firmly believe that Hardwick has the list in much better shape than any time in 30 years. No excuses are required on that ground.
Dimma got a a club with deledio Cotchin reiwoldt rance entering prime years shorty
Wallace got Alex gilmour
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You know what's worse than posting on football forums for nuffies?
Repeatedly saying that you quit said forums only to return a few days later.
That would make me a nuffie as well, i was including myself in the comment. Its not all about you Willy :whistle
Fair enough. As long as you acknowledge yourself as a fellow nuffie then I will give you the nuffie salute and move on.
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Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.
Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.
Yeah, fair enough but Wallace had the chance to rebuild under more favorable conditions draft wise than Dimma.
Whether Wallace had the resources is a question worth exploring.
As for excuses, I am not making one as I firmly believe that Hardwick has the list in much better shape than any time in 30 years. No excuses are required on that ground.
But Wallace had FJ just beginning his amazing career, he was our eager new top recruiter just coming on to the scene armed with a note pad in one hand & a Betamax remote control in the other hand.
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Do Melbourne have any excuses for their drafting
Too many top picks? :shh
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Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over
Both clubs were in better positions than us imo
Havent we drafted well since Hardwick took over. ;)
Port finished 16th of 17 teams in 2011 with just 3 wins. how was there list in better shape than ours ? There is just too much b/s and excuse making going on here.Theres this inferiority complex where supporters have to paint the picture of we did it harder than anyone else what a crock of poo.
You do know Hinkley took over in 2013? They made improvement under Primus/Hocking in 2012. Not enough, but they improved.
Ok, you rabbit on about Hardwick inheriting Deledio Cotchin Riewoldt Rance etc
Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard ,Ebert. And I'm sure there's more
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Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over
Both clubs were in better positions than us imo
Havent we drafted well since Hardwick took over. ;)
Port finished 16th of 17 teams in 2011 with just 3 wins. how was there list in better shape than ours ? There is just too much b/s and excuse making going on here.Theres this inferiority complex where supporters have to paint the picture of we did it harder than anyone else what a crock of poo.
You do know Hinkley took over in 2013? They made improvement under Primus/Hocking in 2012. Not enough, but they improved.
Ok, you rabbit on about Hardwick inheriting Deledio Cotchin Riewoldt Rance etc
Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard ,Ebert. And I'm sure there's more
Who mentioned Hinkley ?
You do know 2011 was mentioned the yr P/A finished 16th of 17 teams with just three wins. That is two years after we bottomed out.
Excuses are excuses its what our supporters are best at.
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My post was in response to Dioc asking what I thought of hawthorn and ports lists when Hinkley and Clarkson on took over.
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
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What I think is that Port have had one good year and despite winning a final have dropped back down and now have a coach spruiking all sorts of crap about a primed list this year
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
The fact Hardwick even played players like Nason tells me he had NFI when he took over. That dope wouldn't get a game at Balwyn.
I'm so sick of all the excuses. Dimma has had long enough and needs to put up or pizz off. Making finals is great but IMO not even close to a pass mark and not even close to him deserving another 2 years to the year he has in front of him.
I'd offer him a new contract in October 2016 if and when he delivered us a minimum of a top 4 spot and at least a finals win. Solid KPI's that are there for all to see.
NO MORE EXCUSES
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
Did Richo play under Hardwick?
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Probably not but it sure is a good name to justify a bs position
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ditto bowden
i love the way people roll out 4-5 names to justisfy having a good list. The bottom sides will generally 4-5 half decent players. Its the quality of those after the top 1/2 dozen or so that seperates sides
but claw is the best. she constantly tells us how bad our recruiting is and how poor our list structure is, yet wont even concede that coach that took over a side that had not played finals for 9 years did at least OK for the first 4 years or so, considering how he was working with such a poor list.
the comparisons to sides, by some, that had played finals 3-4 years previously and/or had won premierships in the previous decade is also worthy of an honourable mention
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And I would never describe Richo as a "solid citizen at best" either.
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I love how you are making excuses if younthink another club had a better list when their coach took over in comparison to hardwick.
Really deluded and sad people on here with a lack of knowledge
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
The fact Hardwick even played players like Nason tells me he had NFI when he took over. That dope wouldn't get a game at Balwyn.
I'm so sick of all the excuses. Dimma has had long enough and needs to put up or pizz off. Making finals is great but IMO not even close to a pass mark and not even close to him deserving another 2 years to the year he has in front of him.
I'd offer him a new contract in October 2016 if and when he delivered us a minimum of a top 4 spot and at least a finals win. Solid KPI's that are there for all to see.
NO MORE EXCUSES
Trevgove is a B&F winner, Ebert has been R/U and was vice captain. Broadbent has been a quality half back flanker, one that you'd be screaming out to replace Houli with. Carlile a good solid full back. Jonas a very important defender and Kane Cornes was perhaps the leagues best tagger. Schulz a quality forward, Westhoff a quality utility.
You really should give the game away if you think those players are worse than what Hardwick originally had to work with. All these players, bar a retired Cornes, are still their best players. And considering everyone wanks off to Port for some reason (even though we finished ahead of them with ease last season), I think they ignore this fact.
Richo and Bowden never played for Hardwick. And I cant believe you thought Richo was an average player, ditto Bowden tbh. Think it says something about the way you judge football (not properly)
Have a lovely day :)
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Horrible news. Been here 7 years and yet to prove he can win a final
and here's my first post in this thread for all you nuffies who say I accept mediocrity and make excuses.
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
The fact Hardwick even played players like Nason tells me he had NFI when he took over. That dope wouldn't get a game at Balwyn.
I'm so sick of all the excuses. Dimma has had long enough and needs to put up or pizz off. Making finals is great but IMO not even close to a pass mark and not even close to him deserving another 2 years to the year he has in front of him.
I'd offer him a new contract in October 2016 if and when he delivered us a minimum of a top 4 spot and at least a finals win. Solid KPI's that are there for all to see.
NO MORE EXCUSES
Spot on BT. It is indeed an inferiority complex our supporters suffer from.They have a great need to justify why it has taken so long to get anywhere and the only way they can do that is paint a picture of us doing it harder than everyone else for the last 30 yrs.
Frankly i have had a gutful of this mentally soft attitude.
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
The fact Hardwick even played players like Nason tells me he had NFI when he took over. That dope wouldn't get a game at Balwyn.
I'm so sick of all the excuses. Dimma has had long enough and needs to put up or pizz off. Making finals is great but IMO not even close to a pass mark and not even close to him deserving another 2 years to the year he has in front of him.
I'd offer him a new contract in October 2016 if and when he delivered us a minimum of a top 4 spot and at least a finals win. Solid KPI's that are there for all to see.
NO MORE EXCUSES
Spot on BT. It is indeed an inferiority complex our supporters suffer from.They have a great need to justify why it has taken so long to get anywhere and the only way they can do that is paint a picture of us doing it harder than everyone else for the last 30 yrs.
Frankly i have had a gutful of this mentally soft attitude.
How can it be spot on when it is factually incorrect.
The definition of spot on is "accurate or accurately".
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staggered people think ports list was worse than ours... anyhow moot point now, had plenty of time to mould the side into his vision, time to deliver or go home
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I wonder if they'll announce the 2 year extension tomozz?
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We need to come out round 1 and smash the Blues its as simple as that. Whoever takes the field need to be at their best, no excuses, we have seen time and time again injuries being used as an excuse for our poor performances. As a club we have been luckier than most in regards to major injuries to key players and other clubs come through their tough periods as better teams, we need to do the same.
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
The fact Hardwick even played players like Nason tells me he had NFI when he took over. That dope wouldn't get a game at Balwyn.
I'm so sick of all the excuses. Dimma has had long enough and needs to put up or pizz off. Making finals is great but IMO not even close to a pass mark and not even close to him deserving another 2 years to the year he has in front of him.
I'd offer him a new contract in October 2016 if and when he delivered us a minimum of a top 4 spot and at least a finals win. Solid KPI's that are there for all to see.
NO MORE EXCUSES
Trevgove is a B&F winner, Ebert has been R/U and was vice captain. Broadbent has been a quality half back flanker, one that you'd be screaming out to replace Houli with. Carlile a good solid full back. Jonas a very important defender and Kane Cornes was perhaps the leagues best tagger. Schulz a quality forward, Westhoff a quality utility.
You really should give the game away if you think those players are worse than what Hardwick originally had to work with. All these players, bar a retired Cornes, are still their best players. And considering everyone wanks off to Port for some reason (even though we finished ahead of them with ease last season), I think they ignore this fact.
Richo and Bowden never played for Hardwick. And I cant believe you thought Richo was an average player, ditto Bowden tbh. Think it says something about the way you judge football (not properly)
Have a lovely day :)
I said those players were solid citizens which they are, nothing more. And you are kidding yourself if you think differently.
Trengrove a B&F winner, big deal, so is Daniel Jackson.
Elbert, runner up and vice captain, even less of a bigger deal. Solid player.
Broadbent is a decent flanker but I wouldn't call in an A grader, and that's what I said. Solid at best.
Carlisle the same, solid defender- not A grade.
Jonas, well I'm not sure much needs to be even said. Ok at best.
Corners was good but I'd struggle to call any tagger an A grade player.
Schulz and Westoff both solid, and I'm pretty sure that's what I said about them.
If you take your head out of your arse for just a minute you would see that my comments on the Port players is pretty spot on even if it doesn't help your arguement.
And there is no need to be such a wanker either when disagreeing with some.
Telling me I should give the game away. Pull your head in hero.
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Gee wiz Big Note are you going to acknowledge you were wrong on Richo and Bowden? Or aren't you man enough
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Big Tone seems man enough to me.
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Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert
Now what do you think of hinkley inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try
Some of these Port players mentioned are A grade like our ones mentioned earlier (Boak, Hartlett, Gray and Wingard) but the others are solid citizens at best. Which we also had on our list when Hardwick took over (Richo, Tuck, Foley, Newman, Bowden) I'd argue that our list of A graders and these guys are better than the lilts you just put up.
So IMO Port were in much more trouble than we were when Hinkley took over then when Hardwick took over.
The fact Hardwick even played players like Nason tells me he had NFI when he took over. That dope wouldn't get a game at Balwyn.
I'm so sick of all the excuses. Dimma has had long enough and needs to put up or pizz off. Making finals is great but IMO not even close to a pass mark and not even close to him deserving another 2 years to the year he has in front of him.
I'd offer him a new contract in October 2016 if and when he delivered us a minimum of a top 4 spot and at least a finals win. Solid KPI's that are there for all to see.
NO MORE EXCUSES
and even that is lenient.
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Richmond sells papers. That's why news about Collingwood re-signing Buckley ends up being a story bagging us ::) :sleep.
Hardwick the one left in limbo
Greg Denham
News Limited
March 16, 2016
Richmond remain the only club without their senior coach secured beyond this season after Collingwood finalised Nathan Buckley’s tenure to the end of 2017.
The Tigers have yet to officially announce the future of their coach of the past six years Damien Hardwick, whose current contract expires at the end of this season.
While Hardwick sweats on any new deal, four other clubs with coaches coming out of contract at the end of 2016 have extended those deals since Christmas.
While the coaches at 17 clubs remain contractually tied for at least another two seasons, last Thursday night’s NAB Challenge calamity has been perceived by the industry as the start of the cracks within Richmond beginning to show.
The Tigers are preparing answers for the AFL as to why Hardwick played a period in the final quarter against Port Adelaide with just 15 players on the field.
Richmond’s unprofessional conduct over the debacle has been questioned not only by the league and rival clubs, but by their own supporters.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/collingwood-secure-nathan-buckley-as-doubt-surrounds-richmond/news-story/689ef5ff6731b83bb25f029870433fd0
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It's Greg Denham, what did you expect
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Confirmed
Signed through to 2018
Richmond extends Hardwick's contract for two more years
richmondfc.com.au March 16, 2016 6:07 PM
Damien Hardwick will remain Richmond coach until at least the end of 2018
Richmond has extended Damien Hardwick’s coaching contract for a further two years.
Hardwick, who was in the final year of his current deal with the Club, will now continue as the Tigers’ coach until the end of the 2018 season.
Richmond President, Peggy O’Neal said the Board was pleased to extend Hardwick’s contract on the eve of the 2016 home-and-away season.
“In making this decision the Board considered what Damien has accomplished during his tenure, including the fact he has taken the team to three consecutive finals series,” O’Neal said.
“We also considered whether he was the right man to take us further and, after thorough analysis and discussion, the unanimous view was that Damien is the right man to coach our Club.
“Importantly, Damien has the character and values we want in someone who leads our players. The players also have great respect for their coach and his approach to getting the best out of them.
“Stability and unity have been critical to this Club’s recent improvement and the Board’s view was that a two-year contract extension was both deserved and prudent.”
Hardwick said he is proud to continue as senior coach of the Richmond Football Club, and eager to commence the 2016 AFL season.
“It has always been an honour to coach the Richmond Football Club and the support that the Board provides not just myself, but the entire Club, is never taken for granted,” Hardwick said.
Full artilce
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-16/richmond-extends-hardwicks-contract
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:cheers :cheers :clapping :clapping
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Oh yeah. :huh
Stuffin idiots
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Yayyyyyyyyyy how exciting :clapping
:shh
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Surely they arent stupid enough to not put a clause into his contract.
Also it isnt hare to pay a contract off either.
With that being said we are on the right track until now. Lets see how the first 6 rounds pan out. Could be a good thing.
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Lol the right track.
Surely they are smart enough to put a clause in to a proven finals failure coach about performance.
Details for the members please.
stuffing idiots.
Gonna bite hard when Collingwood show us up and the next 2-3 games come hard. Yeah. Give him another 2 years. Just so we can say 5 (or near 5) finals in 5 years
Success :huh
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Premature decision!
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Far out.... still going
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Can't wait for Richmond to play Collingwood in round two.
Yeah. So when we most likely lose and we tell you that of course we were bound to lose, you can play the 'you guys hate Richmond' Card as a plan B.
If you are going to be the provocateur and then play the victim you have to be accountable.
But you'll just hit the 'report' button because you can hide behind it
Sort of like when someone gets punched in the face its their own fault sorta vibe?
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Can't wait for Richmond to play Collingwood in round two.
Yeah. So when we most likely lose and we tell you that of course we were bound to lose, you can play the 'you guys hate Richmond' Card as a plan B.
If you are going to be the provocateur and then play the victim you have to be accountable.
But you'll just hit the 'report' button because you can hide behind it
Sort of like when someone gets punched in the face its their own fault sorta vibe?
Sort of like when someone punches themselves in the face sorta vibe ;)
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Obviously we have the money now to pay him out when we sack him and still afford a decent replacement....your FTF money at work.... :gotigers
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Lol the right track.
Surely they are smart enough to put a clause in to a proven finals failure coach about performance.
Details for the members please.
Seriously, Dooks are you that naive to think they haven't?
I get that it doesn't suit a purpose to assume they haven't but it is more likely than unlikely that they have got performance clauses. Actually I'd back it in
And do you really think a board is going to tell us the full details of an employment contract? No board is going to do that and nor should they
I don't agree with the extension don't believe it was necessary, certainly not 2 years but give them a little bit of credit that all "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed
And before anyone suggest i accept mediocrity, i don't. But a decisions been made, let the games begin
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Lol the right track.
Surely they are smart enough to put a clause in to a proven finals failure coach about performance.
Details for the members please.
Seriously, Dooks are you that naive to think they haven't?
I get that it doesn't suit a purpose to assume they haven't but it is more likely than unlikely that they have got performance clauses. Actually I'd back it in
And do you really think a board is going to tell us the full details of an employment contract? No board is going to do that and nor should they
I don't agree with the extension don't believe it was necessary, certainly not 2 years but give them a little bit of credit that all "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed
And before anyone suggest i accept mediocrity, i don't. But a decisions been made, let the games begin
You don't know any of that. Are you that naive to think they have?
You'd back it in others wouldn't. The club has a history (recent) of stunning decisions, you can give them the benefit of the doubt. Not me.
A decision has been made let's 'all move on'. Yeah.
You don't accept mediocrity but you put yourself in a certain perceived position by being indirect and certainly posting in that direction. At minimum an each way bet is the view of a confused fan.
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The decisions been made. I don't agree with it personally but in the end the club saw fit to do it and we have to back their judgement.
I now look at the positive in this.
With all the results not sitting squarely on the coaches shoulders, the players now have the blow torch pointed directly at them.
In the end, it's our players that capitulated in the last 3 elimination finals. I hope that with more maturity, the addition of some class and the enthusiasm of youth, the playing group can finally put themselves in a position to make the 8 and ultimately top 4.
It would have been an easy excuse to just blame the coach for everything and let the players hide behind the hysteria of "sack the coach" if they started playing poorly. It's good to see that they don't now have that excuse.
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You don't know any of that. Are you that naive to think they have?
You'd back it in others wouldn't. The club has a history (recent) of stunning decisions, you can give them the benefit of the doubt. Not me.
A decision has been made let's 'all move on'. Yeah.
Firstly, you are right i don't know but either do you. Cuts both ways but your attitude seems to be no matter they haven't /couldn't / wouldn't
My gut feel is they have. Thats my choice
And where did i say "let's move on". I didn't so dont imply that i did
Decision has been made, we can't change it so we are stuck with it.
So as I said let the games begin and let's see whether this decision bites, is a milestone or a stroke of genius
Its going to be fun on so many levels :snidegrin
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Well let's hope he can do what Clarkson has done at the Hawks!
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Good move
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You don't know any of that. Are you that naive to think they have?
You'd back it in others wouldn't. The club has a history (recent) of stunning decisions, you can give them the benefit of the doubt. Not me.
A decision has been made let's 'all move on'. Yeah.
Firstly, you are right i don't know but either do you. Cuts both ways but your attitude seems to be no matter they haven't /couldn't / wouldn't
My gut feel is they have. Thats my choice
And where did i say "let's move on". I didn't so dont imply that i did
Decision has been made, we can't change it so we are stuck with it.
So as I said let the games begin and let's see whether this decision bites, is a milestone or a stroke of genius
Its going to be fun on so many levels :snidegrin
Best to read the quote under your avatar
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If anyone thinks the club did not put performance clauses into this extension, they are seriously deluded.
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If anyone thinks the club did not put performance clauses into this extension, they are seriously deluded.
No it's the apparent acceptance of mediocrity (as demonstrated by refusing to slag off players, coaches, board members, employees, the club in a futile attempt to enact change) by the RCGG who are deluded.
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I think everyone is deluded. The RCGG are deluded, the club is deluded and so are the annoying dark lords with NFI about anything other than being negative. Everyones deluded.
Face it and move on...you deluded pricks
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I think everyone is deluded. The RCGG are deluded, the club is deluded and so are the annoying dark lords with NFI about anything other than being negative. Everyones deluded.
Face it and move on...you deluded pricks
Acceptance Commitment Therapy at its best :clapping
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Lol the right track.
Surely they are smart enough to put a clause in to a proven finals failure coach about performance.
Details for the members please.
Seriously, Dooks are you that naive to think they haven't?
I get that it doesn't suit a purpose to assume they haven't but it is more likely than unlikely that they have got performance clauses. Actually I'd back it in
And do you really think a board is going to tell us the full details of an employment contract? No board is going to do that and nor should they
I don't agree with the extension don't believe it was necessary, certainly not 2 years but give them a little bit of credit that all "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed
And before anyone suggest i accept mediocrity, i don't. But a decisions been made, let the games begin
Why would anyone expect the club to have put a clause in the contract, when they just gave him two years off of the back of zero achievements?
I think it's a valid concern of Dooks.
It's not as tho the club have a winning reputation both in terms of management and Laing the game.
Hardwicks occupation is stuffn ridiculous and any questioning is fair.
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From the Age ...
One captain who might be feeling the heat more than any other is Richmond's Trent Cotchin given the fact that his side has now lost three consecutive elimination finals, and his colours have been lowered in the last two of those.
There's no doubting the huge expectations surrounding the Tigers now that their list appears to be ready to go for a serious tilt at the top four.
But Richmond went some way to alleviating some of that pressure on Wednesday with coach Damien Hardwick signing a new two-year contract extension with the club.
Cotchin was rapt with the Richmond hierarchy's vote of confidence in Hardwick who has guided the Tigers to three finals series in a row for the first time since 1975.
"He's [Hardwick] obviously been amazing in the development of our group. He came in at a really challenging time when we had a really young list, made some big changes," Cotchin said.
"But from the start he's been really down the line with his plan and what was required for him to get the club to the best position to contend and make finals and we feel as though he's done a fantastic job."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-2016-club-captains-converge-at-etihad-stadium-for-season-launch-20160316-gnl24w.html
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All hail the Emperor of the RCGG - Trent Cotchin!
What would he know? He wouldn't know what is happening in the inner sanctum. Or would he? :shh
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I think Gary Pert and Collingwood nailed the contract extension-
* talked up the coach
* said the days of long term contracts were gone
* intimated there was a get out clause in Bucks contract
1 year extension.
Coach supported in public, on notice behind the scenes.
Learn Richmond.
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All hail the Emperor of the RCGG - Trent Cotchin!
What would he know? He wouldn't know what is happening in the inner sanctum. Or would he? :shh
Yeah like he's going to come out and publicly bag the decision.....
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All hail the Emperor of the RCGG - Trent Cotchin!
What would he know? He wouldn't know what is happening in the inner sanctum. Or would he? :shh
Yeah like he's going to come out and publicly bag the decision.....
In the same vein, as if he wouldn't have been asked as captain of the playing group whether they collectively thought Dimma was the man to take them to success.
Works both ways....
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Correct...so why just imply one way as definitive as if you somehow know?
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Correct...so why just imply one way as definitive as if you somehow know?
I never indicated that I knew anything. I just made the comment that Cotchin should know a lot more than the rest of us (including me).
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don't worry, we didn't ever think you knew more about the inside of the club than Cotchin
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Believe me, I never worry about what you guys think.
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Couple of years ago Jack came out and said dimmer jneeded to stop trying to make RIchmond, Hawthorn.
3 Elimination final losses later - BANG TWO YEARS!
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Couple of years ago Jack came out and said dimmer jneeded to stop trying to make RIchmond, Hawthorn.
3 Elimination final losses later - BANG TWO YEARS!
In Dimmas defence, he differed to Hawthorn by not winning finals. Think he just got confused with what Jack was trying to get at
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I think Gary Pert and Collingwood nailed the contract extension-
* talked up the coach
* said the days of long term contracts were gone
* intimated there was a get out clause in Bucks contract
1 year extension.
Coach supported in public, on notice behind the scenes.
Learn Richmond.
While agree with your comments about the Pies
Again how do any of us know that Harwick hasn't been "put on notice behind the scenes"? ;)
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Lol by who? Dan Richardson and Peggy?
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Lol by who? Dan Richardson and Peggy?
Benny Gale?
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Isn't he the one that pushed to give him the new contract? Bit strange imo.
Ah well. let's hope we do some damage in september this year
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Isn't he the one that pushed to give him the new contract? Bit strange imo.
Ah well. let's hope we do some damage in september this year
He did, and I hope so too. But I reckon he may have pushed for it with clauses around doing the said damage in September. I hope so.
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I just don't see why we did this from a business point of view.
It doesn't really matter what we put into his new contract, if we fail this year we are either stuck with him or we pay him out to get rid of him.
With this year up our sleeve to see if he is good enough to take us to the next level, and with all other clubs locking away their coaches, it's pretty clear he wasn't going anywhere. I actually think the club has put itself under more pressure with this than released the pressure which I'm sure was their intention.
Anyway for the clubs sake and for all us I hope it's the right decision.
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Regardless they don't give a poo for our opinion
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They will come for him.......just you watch........unfortunately we don't have the second tier cattle and he doesn't have the game plan...... :banghead
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:lol
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The Burning Question - is Hardwick right for Tigers?
Dale Miller
The West Australian
March 22, 2016
Did Richmond do the right thing by re-signing coach Damien Hardwick for another two seasons?
Richmond have put their neck on the line and they might live to regret it.
Two clubs burdened by heavy expectations moved swiftly to guarantee the immediate futures of their senior coaches on the eve of the home-and-away season.
But while Collingwood have got the balance right in locking away Nathan Buckley for only one more year until the end of the 2017 season, the Tigers have overextended themselves – and unnecessarily so.
The move by Collingwood’s hierarchy looks a smart one.
An extra year gives Buckley some certainty over his immediate future and the peace of mind to coach without a metaphoric axe hanging over his head.
The deal’s short nature also sends the clear message that a return to finals for such a powerful club is expected.
Collingwood have the midfield depth to vault back into the top eight, but if they don’t and Buckley is not deemed the right man for the job going forward then the club has left itself some wriggle room.
Richmond have conversely put themselves under more pressure.
After three years of first-up finals exits, a win in September is an absolute must for the club.
But unlike some, I’m not convinced the Tigers are good enough to feature in September, let alone make it through to at least the second week of finals.
Richmond play two games in Perth in the first nine rounds and meet Hawthorn, Sydney, Port Adelaide and Collingwood twice in a tough fixture.
If they were to miss the crunch end of the season, they have painted themselves into a corner with Hardwick.
Would they continue to keep the faith or contemplate moving on a senior coach with two years left on his contract?
It is a predicament they didn’t need to risk. A one-year extension along the lines of that signed by Buckley would have been a far safer move.
The season opens at the MCG on Thursday night with the spotlight on Richmond. They would want to calm the nerves with a big win over a youthful Carlton to save any early finger pointing.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/31160589/the-burning-question-is-hardwick-right-for-tigers/
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The Burning Question - is Hardwick right for Tigers?
Dale Miller
The West Australian
March 22, 2016
Did Richmond do the right thing by re-signing coach Damien Hardwick for another two seasons?
Richmond have put their neck on the line and they might live to regret it.
Two clubs burdened by heavy expectations moved swiftly to guarantee the immediate futures of their senior coaches on the eve of the home-and-away season.
But while Collingwood have got the balance right in locking away Nathan Buckley for only one more year until the end of the 2017 season, the Tigers have overextended themselves – and unnecessarily so.
The move by Collingwood’s hierarchy looks a smart one.
An extra year gives Buckley some certainty over his immediate future and the peace of mind to coach without a metaphoric axe hanging over his head.
The deal’s short nature also sends the clear message that a return to finals for such a powerful club is expected.
Collingwood have the midfield depth to vault back into the top eight, but if they don’t and Buckley is not deemed the right man for the job going forward then the club has left itself some wriggle room.
Richmond have conversely put themselves under more pressure.
After three years of first-up finals exits, a win in September is an absolute must for the club.
But unlike some, I’m not convinced the Tigers are good enough to feature in September, let alone make it through to at least the second week of finals.
Richmond play two games in Perth in the first nine rounds and meet Hawthorn, Sydney, Port Adelaide and Collingwood twice in a tough fixture.
If they were to miss the crunch end of the season, they have painted themselves into a corner with Hardwick.
Would they continue to keep the faith or contemplate moving on a senior coach with two years left on his contract?
It is a predicament they didn’t need to risk. A one-year extension along the lines of that signed by Buckley would have been a far safer move.
The season opens at the MCG on Thursday night with the spotlight on Richmond. They would want to calm the nerves with a big win over a youthful Carlton to save any early finger pointing.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/afl/a/31160589/the-burning-question-is-hardwick-right-for-tigers/
meh - just pay him out
equalization fund, etc.
he could use an extention
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All hale Galeos the God of Stability and Peggysus the Winged Mare of Mediocrity.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/656927fde7ed9d03c08dc769e3432ff5/tumblr_nf2lwyniZB1tb32yzo3_500.jpg)
:gotigers
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This thread is up to 10 pages, what's the guess for the increase of pages after a poor showing on Thursday night, have a feeling it will double in quick time.
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All hale Galeos the God of Stability and Peggysus the Winged Mare of Mediocrity.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/656927fde7ed9d03c08dc769e3432ff5/tumblr_nf2lwyniZB1tb32yzo3_500.jpg)
:gotigers
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Lol the right track.
Surely they are smart enough to put a clause in to a proven finals failure coach about performance.
Details for the members please.
Seriously, Dooks are you that naive to think they haven't?
I get that it doesn't suit a purpose to assume they haven't but it is more likely than unlikely that they have got performance clauses. Actually I'd back it in
And do you really think a board is going to tell us the full details of an employment contract? No board is going to do that and nor should they
I don't agree with the extension don't believe it was necessary, certainly not 2 years but give them a little bit of credit that all "i"s are dotted and "t"s are crossed
And before anyone suggest i accept mediocrity, i don't. But a decisions been made, let the games begin
You better hope to god
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No sympathy for this useless pig. Gets a 2 year deal and plays his best mate Morris.
Corrupt. We lose tonight and this place should explode. Pathetic 3 qtrs. Pathetic team selection. Pathetic list management over off season. Crap Ruck stocks. Crap small forwards. No pace. Did nothing.
Absolute corrupt circus.
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Burn it down
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Should have won by 10 goals MINIMUM. No excuses
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Should have won by 10 goals MINIMUM. No excuses
Petey love your posts but this time you are wrong. Shold have been 11 goals minimum.
WTF have these guys been working on pre season?
Get ready for the Pies to annihalate us
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Should have won by 10 goals MINIMUM. No excuses
Petey love your posts but this time you are wrong. Shold have been 11 goals minimum.
WTF have these guys been working on pre season?
Get ready for the Pies to annihalate us
:lol
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Should have won by 10 goals MINIMUM. No excuses
Petey love your posts but this time you are wrong. Shold have been 11 goals minimum.
WTF have these guys been working on pre season?
Get ready for the Pies to annihalate us
Yeah, the Pies are up & about all right ... 11 or so of their players are really positive! :snidegrin
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Should have won by 10 goals MINIMUM. No excuses
Petey love your posts but this time you are wrong. Shold have been 11 goals minimum.
WTF have these guys been working on pre season?
Get ready for the Pies to annihalate us
Yeah, the Pies are up & about all right ... 11 or so of their players are really positive! :snidegrin
I heard the Pies are calling this a line on the table game.
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This thread has turned into the sack Dimma thread please merge
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This thread has turned into the sack Dimma thread please merge
Well let's have one big super thread on sack Dimma.
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Worked out well basing key club decisions largely on perceived media pressure innit
Circus
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Was it ever in any doubt?
Club is a joke.
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WHAT? 2 MORE YEARS?????
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
stuff me.
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WHAT? 2 MORE YEARS?????
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
stuff me.
Did you only just realise that the 2 year extension didn't start until the end of this year?
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I'm stuffn stoked
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WHAT? 2 MORE YEARS?????
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
stuff me.
Did you only just realise that the 2 year extension didn't start until the end of this year?
Nah knew it. Just a natural reaction.
2 MORE YEARS !!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead
stuff me
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too late
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Never too late
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"We think Damien Hardwick’s a strong coach (now) for our footy club, and we think he’ll be a strong coach into the future as well . . . He’ll get better and better. I believe he has all the attributes required to be a premiership coach . . . (although) that doesn’t guarantee anything. In terms of Damien’s ability to coach, he’s a guy that has a clear sense of what he wants to see on the football field. And I think he carries himself with a great purpose and a great confidence . . . We’ve got a shared vision of the future, and what that looks like, and we believe Damien’s a very important part of that. It’s a shared responsibility, and that means everyone has to pull their weight and do their bit.”
Brendan Gale on SEN's crunch time 16-7-16
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/gale-on-tale-of-2016-tigers (http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/gale-on-tale-of-2016-tigers)
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Nah knew it. Just a natural reaction.
2 MORE YEARS !!!!!! :banghead :banghead :banghead
stuff me
:lol
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Surely we can appeal the sentence
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If all 70,000 members put in an extra $18 odd dollars next year we could pay this idiot out and move on.
Small price to pay IMO.
Who else is in?
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We should ask essendon where they found a spare 50m for their payouts. 1.3m lol. We can donate to the Fantastic Fund.
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We should ask essendon where they found a spare 50m for their payouts. 1.3m lol. We can donate to the Fantastic Fund.
Just another fund for the members to tip in their hard earned into so we can right the wrongs of the RFC.
I'd throw a few $$$ into the FHOF if we had one.
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"We think Damien Hardwick’s a strong coach (now) for our footy club, and we think he’ll be a strong coach into the future as well . . . He’ll get better and better. I believe he has all the attributes required to be a premiership coach . . . (although) that doesn’t guarantee anything. In terms of Damien’s ability to coach, he’s a guy that has a clear sense of what he wants to see on the football field. And I think he carries himself with a great purpose and a great confidence . . . We’ve got a shared vision of the future, and what that looks like, and we believe Damien’s a very important part of that. It’s a shared responsibility, and that means everyone has to pull their weight and do their bit.”
Brendan Gale on SEN's crunch time 16-7-16
http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/gale-on-tale-of-2016-tigers (http://m.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-07-18/gale-on-tale-of-2016-tigers)
Why are we paying 650k per season for a coach who is not ready to coach for a premiership?
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Because inside these 4 walls he's regarded highly and is a fantastic person who'll learn from it and the players love him and gives us unity and solidarity inside these 4 walls genuine man who has the right credentials to be our next premiership coach and shows strong character and integrity just needs to improve but has buy in from everyone at the club as everyone is pulling in the same direction because the foundations have been set for the 4 walls and we just feel we need cream on top and even though it's very complicated and the review is ongoing we are confident damien is the right man to lead from the front and on several occasions he's shown he has all the traits of a premiership coach and inside our 4 walls we are delighted that he will be the coach of the Richmond Football Club up until the end of 2018 at least.
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Shared approach is all good but becomes difficult when the members part of this approach are simply not good enough.
Hardwick and assistant coaches.
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Because inside these 4 walls he's regarded highly and is a fantastic person who'll learn from it and the players love him and gives us unity and solidarity inside these 4 walls genuine man who has the right credentials to be our next premiership coach and shows strong character and integrity just needs to improve but has buy in from everyone at the club as everyone is pulling in the same direction because the foundations have been set for the 4 walls and we just feel we need cream on top and even though it's very complicated and the review is ongoing we are confident damien is the right man to lead from the front and on several occasions he's shown he has all the traits of a premiership coach and inside our 4 walls we are delighted that he will be the coach of the Richmond Football Club up until the end of 2018 at least.
stuffn four walls. Lol
Talk about isolating members and fans.
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We should ask essendon where they found a spare 50m for their payouts. 1.3m lol. We can donate to the Fantastic Fund.
Essendon are far more profitable than us
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Yeah 50 times more. Must be all that drug money.
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Don't think we've ever really had the billionaire & multi-millionaire sugar daddies that Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne & Collingwood have always had....never been popular among the establishment and the so-called "big-end of town"....
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Well Caro skinned Russo, Khoury and Gatto.
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....and John Ilhan carked it just as he was about to splash the cash...
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Don't think we've ever really had the billionaire & multi-millionaire sugar daddies that Essendon, Carlton, Hawthorn, Melbourne & Collingwood have always had....never been popular among the establishment and the so-called "big-end of town"....
We had Bondy. :snidegrin
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I said "big-end of town", not "dead-end of town"....
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Don't need the benefit of hindsight to realize that signing dickead for 2 years was a mistake
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Yep - don't remember too many people not wanting the club to at least wait and see how the season panned out first....unfortunately his employers were among those few idiots who didn't....