Confirmed: Dimma re-signed for two years (RFC site)

[the claw]

Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over

Both clubs were in better positions than us imo

Fair enough.

FWIW, I think Wallace was a better tactical coach and match day coach and we were in an better position in 2010 then we were in 2005, particularly off-field, but that has nothing to do with Leatherface and there's no way in hell he did a better job than Hardwick or helped set him up... but again I'd also add that no Richmond coach has been better supported & resourced than Hardwick has been during his tenure....(though I still think we've been short on assistants/ line coaches since Leppa left....) would also add that some decidedly ordinary & uninspired list management IMO has contributed to the stagnation in the last couple of years as much as Hardwick's coaching and selections....

I would agree with most of that. Just pointing out there was a few things Wallace did get right, not many but a few.

[the claw]

Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.

Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years  having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.

[Go Richo 12]

Meanwhile, Vickery has backed the imminent two-year contract extension set to be handed to coach Damien Hardwick.

AFL.com.au reported on Monday night that Hardwick's new deal would be confirmed before the start of the season.

"It's the right time and he's the right man and I think giving him the security, and taking away any scrutiny is the right thing," Vickery said.

"It's really good news for Damien and the football club."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/testing-time-for-ty-vickery-ahead-of-tiger-return

Of course he would back Dimwit. Damien keeps on gifting him games when no others would. Its not just about Damiens security he is talking about here.

Gifting him games? Not sure about that. Couldn't get back in for the final vs Port after snotting Cox and spent a large chunk in the twos last year with good results when he returned.

[Go Richo 12]

Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.

Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years  having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.

Yeah, fair enough but Wallace had the chance to rebuild under more favorable conditions draft wise than Dimma.
Whether Wallace had the resources is a question worth exploring.
As for excuses, I am not making one as I firmly believe that Hardwick has the list in much better shape than any time in 30 years. No excuses are required on that ground.

[Chuck17]

Do Melbourne have any excuses for their drafting

[JP Tiger]

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.. but again I'd also add that no Richmond coach has been better supported & resourced than Hardwick has been during his tenure....

Ooh, careful with that axe Eugene!  Have a flip through some of the financial reports from the 80's & then compare them to this years.  The numbers look much bigger now & that has to be good, right?  Some basic economics will tell you that bigger numbers don't mean better, especially if we are talking Football Department spending.  $10g's would look significant in TW's days, but now in the Hardwick era that is mere loose change ... 
Our numbers might be bigger than before, but some other clubs' current numbers would still eat ours for breakfast!                

[Stalin]

Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.

Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years  having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.

Yeah, fair enough but Wallace had the chance to rebuild under more favorable conditions draft wise than Dimma.
Whether Wallace had the resources is a question worth exploring.
As for excuses, I am not making one as I firmly believe that Hardwick has the list in much better shape than any time in 30 years. No excuses are required on that ground.

Dimma got a a club with deledio Cotchin reiwoldt rance entering prime years shorty

Wallace got Alex gilmour

[Willy]

You know what's worse than posting on football forums for nuffies?

Repeatedly saying that you quit said forums only to return a few days later.

That would make me a nuffie as well, i was including myself in the comment. Its not all about you Willy 

Fair enough. As long as you acknowledge yourself as a fellow nuffie then I will give you the nuffie salute and move on.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Maybe one way to look at it is this way?
Did Wallace leave the list in better shape than it was when he got the job? That's debatable.
Is the list better now than when Dimma first got the job?
Definitely, and there are compromised drafts in there too.

Is our list in better shape a question worth delving over.
You would want to hope so after 7 years  having such a good young group to build on.
Compromised drafts another excuse. THE largest number of player we cut in any one draft under Hardwick was 13 in 2009 which just happened to be an uncompromised draft.

Yeah, fair enough but Wallace had the chance to rebuild under more favorable conditions draft wise than Dimma.
Whether Wallace had the resources is a question worth exploring.
As for excuses, I am not making one as I firmly believe that Hardwick has the list in much better shape than any time in 30 years. No excuses are required on that ground.

But Wallace had FJ just beginning his amazing career, he was our eager new top recruiter just coming on to the scene armed with a note pad in one hand & a Betamax remote control in the other hand.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Do Melbourne have any excuses for their drafting

Too many top picks?

[Petey]

Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over

Both clubs were in better positions than us imo

Havent we drafted well since Hardwick took over.
Port finished 16th of 17 teams in 2011 with just 3 wins. how was there list in better shape than ours ? There is just too much b/s and excuse making going on here.Theres this inferiority complex where supporters have to paint the picture of we did it harder than anyone else  what a crock of poo.

You do know Hinkley took over in 2013? They made improvement under Primus/Hocking in 2012. Not enough, but they improved.

Ok, you rabbit on about Hardwick inheriting Deledio Cotchin Riewoldt Rance etc

Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard ,Ebert.  And I'm sure there's more

[the claw]

Ports list was OK. Hawthorn drafted extremely well when clarko took over

Both clubs were in better positions than us imo

Havent we drafted well since Hardwick took over.
Port finished 16th of 17 teams in 2011 with just 3 wins. how was there list in better shape than ours ? There is just too much b/s and excuse making going on here.Theres this inferiority complex where supporters have to paint the picture of we did it harder than anyone else  what a crock of poo.

You do know Hinkley took over in 2013? They made improvement under Primus/Hocking in 2012. Not enough, but they improved.

Ok, you rabbit on about Hardwick inheriting Deledio Cotchin Riewoldt Rance etc

Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard ,Ebert.  And I'm sure there's more

Who mentioned Hinkley ?
You do know 2011 was mentioned the yr P/A finished 16th of 17 teams with just three wins. That is two years after we bottomed out.
Excuses are excuses its what our supporters are best at.

[Petey]

My post was in response to Dioc asking what I thought of hawthorn and ports lists when Hinkley and Clarkson on took over.

[Petey]

Try this on for size. off the top of my head Hinkley inherited; Boak, Hartlett, Cornes, Carlile, Gray, Schulz, Trengove, Broadbent ,Westhoff ,Jonas ,Wingard , Ebert

Now what do you think of hinkley  inheriting these players. And all these blokes apart from wingard were there in 2011 so don't even try

[Chuck17]

What I think is that Port have had one good year and despite winning a final have dropped back down and now have a coach spruiking all sorts of crap about a primed list this year