One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 08, 2016, 11:40:26 PM
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President O'Neal described the year as bitterly disappointing, but called for the club to avoid letting anger and finger pointing dictate the club's future.
"The answer is not to forget how far we've come and not to tear down what we've built so that the club is faced with starting again," O'Neal said.
The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-08/martin-pips-rance-to-win-tigers-best-and-fairest
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She said the club’s review into 2016 will be shared “very shortly” and will bring “informed change”.
“The changes required have never been in question, but this will be well-informed change,” she said.
“Change that is properly considered and the result of a very thorough process. Change that comes from addressing the real issues — not perceived issues.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/damien-hardwick-delivers-passionate-speech-at-richmond-bestandfairest/news-story/889e45ef61413099a67faf9979c4e3fd
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Unless it implements a new coach and list managers, idgaf Peggy Sue....
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Unless it implements a new coach and list managers, idgaf Peggy Sue....
too true
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Never heard so much garbage tonight
Supporters are so gulable
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Never heard so much garbage tonight
Supporters are so gulable
I can imagine
like brainwashed cattle
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2017 to do.
1) Sit back and watch a stubborn woman sink the club further into the abyss.
2) Watch a moron with a strong sense of what he wants to see on the field, lose more players.
3) See Benny Balony, grimacing in the members stand.
4) revel in the comedy capers of Hunt, Bellis, Houli, Hampson....
5) shake head, when Hampson does a knee.
2017 RFC "Make The Most Of It! :cheers
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Never heard so much garbage tonight
Supporters are so gulable
I can imagine
like brainwashed cattle
I am seriousl, people are deluded
To top it off , we to after party at Club23
Benny Gale rolls up, and tries to jump the rope to get in
His says don't you know who i am
Bouncer says no I doubt
You will have to go to back of queue
Very sad but TRUE
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Ooh dear.
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God bless the wannabees
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Poor benny having to line up with jack and phil at the back of the queue lol.
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And come round 1 backwards sideways bit of circle work and business as usual I guess :banghead
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God bless the wannabees
It was actually a sponsors function
No wannabees
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Dont need to reveal the review to supporters imo. Just implement the stuffing changes and do what your paid to do better.
Did Geelong announce it publicly to their supporters?
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Lmao oxxxy.
Which ones peg?
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Lmao oxxxy.
Which ones peg?
She's laying prostrate on the boardroom table.
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all class Oxus, all class
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We will get the blacked out version
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Unless it implements a new coach and list managers, idgaf Peggy Sue....
Correct weight stick it up your american backside
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we have done a review - we will sack some assistants
But we offered them new deals too
Have you see benys gay golf hat?
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How many more sleeps until the review is complete and we begin our next dynasty?
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Two
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Waiting............ ::)
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TBH am looking fwd to reading the review.
Could the review cover:
duty of care for selection of new players,
Identifying types of players
Change of game style
Comparision between other clubs and how on field successful clubs are run differently
Player development programs
Or
Will it be a snow job talking about
Board stability
Financial probity
Necessity for cohesion
...time will tell
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TBH am looking fwd to reading the review.
Could the review cover:
duty of care for selection of new players,
Identifying types of players
Change of game style
Comparision between other clubs and how on field successful clubs are run differently
Player development programs
Or
Will it be a snow job talking about
Board stability
Financial probity
Necessity for cohesion
...time will tell
Everyone knows for the most part it will be the latter.
Ir at best, elements of the former will come through but not be recognised by the club
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TBH am looking fwd to reading the review.
Could the review cover:
duty of care for selection of new players,
Identifying types of players
Change of game style
Comparision between other clubs and how on field successful clubs are run differently
Player development programs
No way an accounting firm will focus on these things, nor should they. Which is a shame, because it's what we need most
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EY is not just an accounting firm. They rank as the best mgmt consulting firm with BCG.
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EY is not just an accounting firm. They rank as the best mgmt consulting firm with BCG.
:clapping yes they do!
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I would think it doesnt matter what they release peope will still complain
Don't give out any detail, they are hiding behind it
Give us a summary of the main points, they are hiding stuff
Release the entire report and they are still hifpding things or EY are clueless they are accountants
Damned if you Damned if you don't
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Lol @ EY
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Damn the lot of em.
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EY is not just an accounting firm. They rank as the best mgmt consulting firm with BCG.
I guess my point was, what gives them any credibility to review and stuff on footy department issues?
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I would think it doesnt matter what they release peope will still complain
Don't give out any detail, they are hiding behind it
Give us a summary of the main points, they are hiding stuff
Release the entire report and they are still hifpding things or EY are clueless they are accountants
Damned if you Damned if you don't
And that my boy is how forums operate
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Will the results of the review be as insightful as last year's thorough extensive review.
Will Halfwit get another extension?
Will they shore up our recruiting department as well. Give them long term contracts to ensure the club is stuffed for the next decade.
Will the plan be as good as the one where they told us they were rebuilding but they were really money balling for the last seven years.
Who gives a stuff what the cup cakes review reveals.
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FJ has been demoted!!
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
Some review stuff in there
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Francis Jackson remains at the club
Hahahahahaha
Bunch of stuffin losers the lot of them
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Francis Jackson remains at the club
Hahahahahaha
Bunch of stuffin losers the lot of them
Part time though. Sounds like he's being moved along.
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You haven't got a job but if you can't find one you can stay! FMD
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Apparently Hackson will still be in charge for this year's draft and Williams from next year onwards...though I was under the impression Williams has pretty much been unofficially running the show for the last two drafts anyway....
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Apparently Hackson will still be in charge for this year's draft and Williams from next year onwards...though I was under the impression Williams has pretty much been unofficially running the show for the last two drafts anyway....
What are your thoughts on Williams?
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Apparently Hackson will still be in charge for this year's draft and Williams from next year onwards...though I was under the impression Williams has pretty much been unofficially running the show for the last two drafts anyway....
Was going to point that out. They've finally realised he's not good enough yet are happy to let it roll on :lol. Interesting if true re: Williams running the show for 2014-15 draft
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Apparently Hackson will still be in charge for this year's draft and Williams from next year onwards...though I was under the impression Williams has pretty much been unofficially running the show for the last two drafts anyway....
Apparently Hackson will still be in charge for this year's draft and Williams from next year onwards...though I was under the impression Williams has pretty much been unofficially running the show for the last two drafts anyway....
Was going to point that out. They've finally realised he's not good enough yet are happy to let it roll on :lol. Interesting if true re: Williams running the show for 2014-15 draft
Apparently as per the article its not Williams heading up recruiting but Matthew Clarke
As part of the changes to the list management and recruiting structure, Matthew Clarke has been promoted to the role of national recruiting manager and will start in that position after the 2016 National Draft. Matthew replaces Francis Jackson, who will remain with the Club in a part-time capacity. The Club expects to make further investments in recruiting in the future.
“Matthew has a great understanding of the recruiting landscape and will now have responsibility for the development of our strategy,” Gale said. “Francis has been a great servant of the Club and we thank him for his contribution in that role over a long period of time.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
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You're right it's Clarke not Williams who'll be in charge next year...funny though, I was definitely told Williams had the most say at the draft these days....just assumed this was the case, it may not be....
Apparently Hackson will still be in charge for this year's draft and Williams from next year onwards...though I was under the impression Williams has pretty much been unofficially running the show for the last two drafts anyway....
What are your thoughts on Williams?
Too early to say and as I just clarified was only told Williams was the main man ....it could've still been Hackson or Clarke....f.e. Ellis - skinny , injury concerns, 49% k.e. - could be a Hackson pick ....Menadue over Blakely reeks of Francis too (though I wanted Harrison Wigg myself so can't really talk)....and Broad last year sounds like an FJ special.....Markov over Crocker (who I think will be a star - plays a bit like Martin) & Collins (who we probably needed more and then they tried to cover that need and replace Dea at the same time with Broad, who's a bit betwixt & between -a half-arsed, too- clever-by-half strategy, which as I said -reeks of Hackson's m.o.) skinny flanker v big bodied mid/forward..(I'm talking pre-draft assessments, not whether they're any good...) not sure what we saw in Drummond....I thought Butler & McKenzie were scoops but the latter's quit footy and the former hasn't played a game and is strongly rumoured to be for the axe....so who the stuff knows?
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I would think it doesnt matter what they release peope will still complain
Don't give out any detail, they are hiding behind it
Give us a summary of the main points, they are hiding stuff
Release the entire report and they are still hifpding things or EY are clueless they are accountants
Damned if you Damned if you don't
Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
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http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
Some review stuff in there
From The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-hire-neil-balme-as-general-manager-of-football-20160912-greeep.html
"The board's choice of Neil and their plans for him are a carbon copy of our Focus on Footy plan. They may not be talking to us, but that certainly listening!" Hiscock said.
I wonder what Hisballs thought?,
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
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The 10-week review - conducted in part by Ernst & Young consultant Craig Mitchell - followed a disastrous season for the Tigers in which they fell from their third straight finals appearance to win just eight games.
But Gale defended the lengthy process.
"It would have been irresponsible to have outside noise dictate how long this process took," Gale said. "Some will agree with the change, some won't, but I can guarantee our members and supporters this change has been carefully considered and is well informed.
"Our fans are angry with what we produced in season 2016 – and they have every right to be. It did not meet our expectations and it demanded we identify what went wrong and how to address these shortcomings.
"Ultimately, this review has identified the need to get the right people in the right roles and to give them the clarity and structure that will allow them to focus on building a culture of success."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-hire-neil-balme-as-general-manager-of-football-20160912-greeep.html
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From The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-hire-neil-balme-as-general-manager-of-football-20160912-greeep.html
"The board's choice of Neil and their plans for him are a carbon copy of our Focus on Footy plan. They may not be talking to us, but that certainly listening!" Hiscock said.
I wonder what Hisballs thought?,
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Yep.... Im sure the only reason the RFC appointed Balmy was becuse FOF suggested it first, so Benny thought "GEE whiz guys, that's a good idea !! Let's get it done :cheers
Pffft !
Give me a break, the wheels were already in motion when the ummm :whistle challengers :juggle stepped up to the plate with the ludicrous idea of bringing someone in to appease and rectify that they hadn't ( so explained in the media) spoken to as yet.
NB: commenting on article not post.
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Hiscock also called on more information to be released, and claims that the Richmond board isn’t giving fans full disclosure.
“It is interesting to note that the Club made a number of decisions about the personnel and structure of its football department before the EY review was completed.
“The Focus on Footy team is calling on the Board to release the full report of the review, including its Terms of Reference.”
“We are concerned the Board is hiding behind the report and has been making decisions on the run,” Hiscock said.
Richmond finished the season losing four of their last five games, placing them 13th on the table after finishing in 5th in 2015.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/12/rebel-richmond-group-approve-balme-appointment/
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Hiscock also called on more information to be released, and claims that the Richmond board isn’t giving fans full disclosure.
“It is interesting to note that the Club made a number of decisions about the personnel and structure of its football department before the EY review was completed.
“The Focus on Footy team is calling on the Board to release the full report of the review, including its Terms of Reference.”
“We are concerned the Board is hiding behind the report and has been making decisions on the run,” Hiscock said.
Richmond finished the season losing four of their last five games, placing them 13th on the table after finishing in 5th in 2015.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/12/rebel-richmond-group-approve-balme-appointment/
Surely within this report there would be sensitive I.P that we would prefer is not released into the public domain, specifically that information which could compromise our ability to rectify.
17 other clubs would quickly become aware of the finer points and use this to there advantage, whether they need to or not.
Some things should be known by all and all things should be known by some.
(Wow i just made that up, feel free to use) ;D
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Hiscock also called on more information to be released, and claims that the Richmond board isn’t giving fans full disclosure.
“It is interesting to note that the Club made a number of decisions about the personnel and structure of its football department before the EY review was completed.
“The Focus on Footy team is calling on the Board to release the full report of the review, including its Terms of Reference.”
“We are concerned the Board is hiding behind the report and has been making decisions on the run,” Hiscock said.
Richmond finished the season losing four of their last five games, placing them 13th on the table after finishing in 5th in 2015.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/12/rebel-richmond-group-approve-balme-appointment/
Surely within this report there would be sensitive I.P that we would prefer is not released into the public domain, specifically that information which could compromise our ability to rectify.
17 other clubs would quickly become aware of the finer points and use this to there advantage, whether they need to or not.
Some things should be known by all and all things should be known by some.
(Wow i just made that up, feel free to use) ;D
beat me to the punch - absolutely agree. Yes we'd all love to know categorically what they are doing and whether there is true process nvolved here, but its ridiculous to expect that to become publicly available which our competition would use to their advantage - (like they dont already have a big enough one)
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they must think hackson his done a reasonable job to keep him on as p/t??? NFI
This to me highlights what is wrong with the club. They have no guts to finish the old bastard off. That goes with the other dud assistants they have offered one year deals with.
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they must think hackson his done a reasonable job to keep him on as p/t??? NFI
This to me highlights what is wrong with the club. They have no guts to finish the old bastard off. That goes with the other dud assistants they have offered one year deals with.
Doubt there is anything the club could do today to appease some fans - I think its a fine move. Despite what you think, I know professional scouts personally and even the most underdone, least professional talent scout has a breadth of knowledge that is always going to be of some value. He's not calling the shots anymore - that's more than enough for mine!
Question regarding his replacement Matthew Clarke. Anyone know anything about him?
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they must think hackson his done a reasonable job to keep him on as p/t??? NFI
This to me highlights what is wrong with the club. They have no guts to finish the old bastard off. That goes with the other dud assistants they have offered one year deals with.
Doubt there is anything the club could do today to appease some fans - I think its a fine move. Despite what you think, I know professional scouts personally and even the most underdone, least professional talent scout has a breadth of knowledge that is always going to be of some value. He's not calling the shots anymore - that's more than enough for mine!
Question regarding his replacement Matthew Clarke. Anyone know anything about him?
Ripping bloke, been on our recruiting team for 7 or 8 years I guess, was previously @ Melbourne.
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
Please don't bore us anymore with your accounting stuff. We all understand you are an accountant but seriously!! We all got the point after the 3rd time you explained what info the club have to give the public. Give US a break.
High horse- yes.
I'm not sure if it's just the way you word things but you sound like a know it all. What you wrote in your initial post was arrogant and is insulting to people that haven't been happy with this club for a long time. Is it not ok to be skeptical with the clubs decisions considering our last 35 years?? I find that if you think it's ok to question decisions it's ok but if others question things you might not agree with its complaining.
High horse- most definitely.
Now I'm sure you will say I'm attacking you or I'm calling you names like normal but I'm not. Hopefully you see it as two adults discussing a difference of opinion.
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:lol
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they must think hackson his done a reasonable job to keep him on as p/t??? NFI
This to me highlights what is wrong with the club. They have no guts to finish the old bastard off. That goes with the other dud assistants they have offered one year deals with.
Doubt there is anything the club could do today to appease some fans - I think its a fine move. Despite what you think, I know professional scouts personally and even the most underdone, least professional talent scout has a breadth of knowledge that is always going to be of some value. He's not calling the shots anymore - that's more than enough for mine!
Question regarding his replacement Matthew Clarke. Anyone know anything about him?
Ripping bloke, been on our recruiting team for 7 or 8 years I guess, was previously @ Melbourne.
:lol Well that settles it then, considering how much success this bloke has seen come to fruition. Was he the one that sorted the cassette in alphabetical order to make it easier for Betamax? :rollin
Can't this club sack anyone? Or is it that hard to sack mates? Let's not sack a bunch of off the pace hacks that has more misses than a Mormon Bishop.
How about we appoint someone that has the best recruiting record in the country? Is it that hard?
As long as he's a great bloke. :rollin
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they must think hackson his done a reasonable job to keep him on as p/t??? NFI
This to me highlights what is wrong with the club. They have no guts to finish the old bastard off. That goes with the other dud assistants they have offered one year deals with.
Doubt there is anything the club could do today to appease some fans - I think its a fine move. Despite what you think, I know professional scouts personally and even the most underdone, least professional talent scout has a breadth of knowledge that is always going to be of some value. He's not calling the shots anymore - that's more than enough for mine!
Question regarding his replacement Matthew Clarke. Anyone know anything about him?
Ripping bloke, been on our recruiting team for 7 or 8 years I guess, was previously @ Melbourne.
That's all that matters then aye.
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they must think hackson his done a reasonable job to keep him on as p/t??? NFI
This to me highlights what is wrong with the club. They have no guts to finish the old bastard off. That goes with the other dud assistants they have offered one year deals with.
Doubt there is anything the club could do today to appease some fans - I think its a fine move. Despite what you think, I know professional scouts personally and even the most underdone, least professional talent scout has a breadth of knowledge that is always going to be of some value. He's not calling the shots anymore - that's more than enough for mine!
Question regarding his replacement Matthew Clarke. Anyone know anything about him?
See Matthew Clarke thread, he could possibly be our delisted ex ruckman?
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Wrong M Clarke.
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J Clarke?
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Not as easy as just sacking someone when they have a contract
Sack those who are under contract and their payout is included in next years footy department cap, will cost the club more than the payout
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J Clarke?
(http://www.abc.net.au/rn/legacy/features/pod/img/johnclarke.jpg)
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Hiscock also called on more information to be released, and claims that the Richmond board isn’t giving fans full disclosure.
“It is interesting to note that the Club made a number of decisions about the personnel and structure of its football department before the EY review was completed.
“The Focus on Footy team is calling on the Board to release the full report of the review, including its Terms of Reference.”
“We are concerned the Board is hiding behind the report and has been making decisions on the run,” Hiscock said.
Richmond finished the season losing four of their last five games, placing them 13th on the table after finishing in 5th in 2015.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/12/rebel-richmond-group-approve-balme-appointment/
Surely within this report there would be sensitive I.P that we would prefer is not released into the public domain, specifically that information which could compromise our ability to rectify.
17 other clubs would quickly become aware of the finer points and use this to there advantage, whether they need to or not.
Some things should be known by all and all things should be known by some.
(Wow i just made that up, feel free to use) ;D
beat me to the punch - absolutely agree. Yes we'd all love to know categorically what they are doing and whether there is true process nvolved here, but its ridiculous to expect that to become publicly available which our competition would use to their advantage - (like they dont already have a big enough one)
:clapping :clapping
Exactly
Grest posts
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
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So the sham review is being confirmed by the club.
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Hiscock also called on more information to be released, and claims that the Richmond board isn’t giving fans full disclosure.
“It is interesting to note that the Club made a number of decisions about the personnel and structure of its football department before the EY review was completed.
“The Focus on Footy team is calling on the Board to release the full report of the review, including its Terms of Reference.”
“We are concerned the Board is hiding behind the report and has been making decisions on the run,” Hiscock said.
Richmond finished the season losing four of their last five games, placing them 13th on the table after finishing in 5th in 2015.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/12/rebel-richmond-group-approve-balme-appointment/
Good on hiscock for applying more heat on the current board. Keep it up. His ticket won't win but am liking this dude more and more. "Decisions on the run" is exactly what they're doing
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Not as easy as just sacking someone when they have a contract
Sack those who are under contract and their payout is included in next years footy department cap, will cost the club more than the payout
Why are they all on multi year contracts?
Players? Yes, Coaches? Yes
Everyone else should be on the standard payroll. At worst, should be an annual contract.
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Hiscock also called on more information to be released, and claims that the Richmond board isn’t giving fans full disclosure.
“It is interesting to note that the Club made a number of decisions about the personnel and structure of its football department before the EY review was completed.
“The Focus on Footy team is calling on the Board to release the full report of the review, including its Terms of Reference.”
“We are concerned the Board is hiding behind the report and has been making decisions on the run,” Hiscock said.
Richmond finished the season losing four of their last five games, placing them 13th on the table after finishing in 5th in 2015.
http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/09/12/rebel-richmond-group-approve-balme-appointment/
Good on hiscock for applying more heat on the current board. Keep it up. His ticket won't win but am liking this dude more and more. "Decisions on the run" is exactly what they're doing
:thumbsup. they wont win and nor should they but FMD this board needs a rocket up their date for the poo they have done or lack thereof.
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Not as easy as just sacking someone when they have a contract
Sack those who are under contract and their payout is included in next years footy department cap, will cost the club more than the payout
Why are they all on multi year contracts?
Players? Yes, Coaches? Yes
Everyone else should be on the standard payroll. At worst, should be an annual contract.
Actually, never thought about that but that's a very good point HRT - apart from coaches and players everyone should just be on the payroll, sack them if they dont perform and no payout
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Pretty sure there was at least one recruiter under Hackson who wanted to take Heppell & Parker.....put that bloke in charge.
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Pretty sure there was at least one recruiter under Hackson who wanted to take Heppell & Parker.....put that bloke in charge.
Was it after the fact like the experts on here or was it pre draft?
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Pre-draft chucky...in fact I believe at least one of our recruiters even wanted us to take Parker at 6.....
Don't think you can accuse too many of being hindsight heroes with regards to Conca....clearly remember most Richmond supporters and indeed most of the footy world being puzzled if not incredulous about it at the time....
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Dan Richardson still has two years to run on his 😉
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
Same here.
Once we have a figure, we can estimate how much they wasted on officially finding out what everyone on here seemed to know already.
A Review - The last refuge of scoundrels.
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An external review - something you have when the people running the place have NFI
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
Same here.
Once we have a figure, we can estimate how much they wasted on officially finding out what everyone on here seemed to know already.
A Review - The last refuge of scoundrels.
There is a rumour going around it was in the vicinity of $10million
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A Review - The last refuge of scoundrels.
I thought that was patriotism! :huh
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A Review - The last refuge of scoundrels.
I thought that was patriotism! :huh
It's interchangeable
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A Review - The last refuge of scoundrels.
I thought that was patriotism! :huh
It's interchangeable
:lol
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Implementation plan. :facepalm
Lmao at Benny using corporate rubbish terminology because they're too gutless to make the hard calls themselves.
"Implementation planning is the process of determining how an initiative will be implemented and setting this out in sufficient detail to enable the Cabinet to make an informed judgment about whether to proceed in the light of the risks and requirements involved."
Yep.So long as Ben and Peg's arses are covered......
Just an idea but do they have any plans to implement some soul into the place?
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Implementation planning has a strong management focus that requires best practice approaches, skills and experience to be applied. Effective implementation planning requires a structured approach to thinking and communicating in seven areas:
1. Planning
2. Governance
3. Engaging stakeholders
4. Managing risk
5. Monitoring, review and evaluation
6. Resource management
7. Management strategy.
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oWarning:
"No matter how comprehensive the implementation plan is, successful implementation hinges on the development of strong working relationships and a shared commitment to collaboration and acting with integrity. Fostering a culture of collegiality, where there is a clear, common understanding of the outcomes sought, is essential for successful implementation. Implementation plan"
Well, we're stuffed again.
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WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
Would depend on how ,many other plebs did work eg reserach etc
But my gut feel would be somewhere between $60k and $120k and that's at the low end of the scale
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WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
Would depend on how ,many other plebs did work eg reserach etc
But my gut feel would be somewhere between $60k and $120k and that's at the low end of the scale
Discount for mates, dear.
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
Same here.
Once we have a figure, we can estimate how much they wasted on officially finding out what everyone on here seemed to know already.
A Review - The last refuge of scoundrels.
More importantly Ox, the money they spent would have offset a considerable portion of Hardwick's severance.
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At least 10-30 %. Lol.
They're so fkd.
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WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
Would depend on how ,many other plebs did work eg reserach etc
But my gut feel would be somewhere between $60k and $120k and that's at the low end of the scale
Yes depending on how many plebs crunched powerpoints, yet even the plebs are charged out at $200 an hour.
From my experience with EY, between $200 and $400k for 10 weeks of intensive work. Short turn around time means more bodies on the project to deliver more quickly.
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At least 10-30 %. Lol.
They're so fkd.
I bet if they put it to a supporters vote should we spend the money on an EY hackjob or should we put the money towards paying off Hardwick, the latter would have bolted it in.
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Get off your high horse WP.
It is ok to question the club that has been putrid for 35 years.
Also doing a review through a company that one of the board members is a part of stinks before it even starts. Surely there is other companies out there that could of handled this review and people like myself wouldn't have their suspicions of a truely uncompromised review.
There is always something NQR with everything this club does.
Sacks guys, then offer them jobs.
Sack other guys but give them part time jobs.
NFI!
But you sit up there on the fence that you usually sit on and tell us all how we should behave.
High horse?
Give me a break, just giving an opinion which BTW you and number others going by the collective responses qctually highlights the points i made to reasonable. So thanks for that :lol
As for your narrow minded view about EY doing the review, clearly you have no idea how the big 5 accouting firms operate. Multiply departments within a massive organisation. The board member you refer to works in auditing while the review was undertaken by a completely different area. There is no conflict here
From the press release (http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-09-12/football-department-structure-changes
"As part of this review, independent external consultant Craig Mitchell, from Ernst & Young’s Sports Advisory Practice, was engaged to assist with the process.
Craig has conducted a range of performance evaluation projects for, and on behalf of, a number of elite sporting organisations, including the AFL Research Board, AFL clubs, Cricket Australia, Australian Sports Commission Swimming Australia and Sport "
Reckon the bloke knows what he is doing seeing the list of organisations hes done work for are some of the biggest in the country
So if keeping an open mind on this review and applauding usong EY is fence sitting then I'll wear that
WP, I am curious what you think this EY review cost?
Big 4 firm, 10 weeks?
Thanks
At a guess, $20k to $30k per week. (But I work for the Gov't and we get "special" pricing.
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Good on hiscock for applying more heat on the current board. Keep it up. His ticket won't win but am liking this dude more and more. "Decisions on the run" is exactly what they're doing
Sorry but how is being in discussions with someone over a number of weeks making decisions on the run exactly?
Actually think Dr Hiscock should be relieved that their farcical circus announcement last week didnt stuff things up
It's funny you are applauding him Harry for their statement yesterday. Up until yesterday I was genuinely undecided about him.
But After that statement and its contents he lost me completely. Taking credit for something and then showing a complete lack of common sense in relation to what should be released. Proved yesterday they have less of a clue than the incumbents and thats saying something
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No
It's politics Willy.
You've been subjected to far worse vullshit from the current board, so u should understand.
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At least 10-30 %. Lol.
They're so fkd.
I bet if they put it to a supporters vote should we spend the money on an EY hackjob or should we put the money towards paying off Hardwick, the latter would have bolted it in.
Kent: I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply- doesn't-work.
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At least 10-30 %. Lol.
They're so fkd.
I bet if they put it to a supporters vote should we spend the money on an EY hackjob or should we put the money towards paying off Hardwick, the latter would have bolted it in.
Kent: I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply- doesn't-work.
One of the great characters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukxwQ6-kVg
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No
It's politics Willy.
You've been subjected to far worse vullpoo from the current board, so u should understand.
Willy doesn't understand. Hopefully Hiscock and others keep the heat up on these frauds who have brought us a total of zero finals wins in 10 years, yet go around strutting like they are coming off back to back flags, lol.
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So when is the revealing going to occur?
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This thread title.
Have you ever heard so much made up rubbish in your life.
They're stuffn hopeless and have stuffed the club but fear not - they now have an implementation plan.
Give them nothing.
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This thread title.
Have you ever heard so much made up rubbish in your life.
Yes firstly in the links that Stalin posts on his conspiracy theories and secondly on this forum quite regularly.
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This thread title.
Have you ever heard so much made up rubbish in your life.
Yes firstly in the links that Stalin posts on his conspiracy theories and secondly on this forum quite regularly.
Are we to take your posts as solely factual......that's the point really.
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This thread title.
Have you ever heard so much made up rubbish in your life.
Yes firstly in the links that Stalin posts on his conspiracy theories and secondly on this forum quite regularly.
Are we to take your posts as solely factual......that's the point really.
Personally apart from the one previously made I wouldn't
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Keep buying the herald sun chucky
This thread title.
Have you ever heard so much made up rubbish in your life.
They're stuffn hopeless and have stuffed the club but fear not - they now have an implementation plan.
Give them nothing.
#1 at buzzwords
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So when is the result to be revealed?
When all said and done, the longer the delay the more daging for the current board.
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So when is the result to be revealed?
When all said and done, the longer the delay the more daging for the current board.
You do understand that there would a lot of info in the report (you know sensitive IP) that should not be made public
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So when is the result to be revealed?
When all said and done, the longer the delay the more damning for the current board.
You do understand that there would a lot of info in the report (you know sensitive IP) that should not be made public
Then why did they allude that the results would be announced publicly?
It is only a football club and not as if world peace is at stake and nuclear warheads or WMD's are under a cloak of secrecy at RFC.
Its a matter that club money has been spent, results should be revealed.
IMO, it was and is a massive waste of money and reviews of this type never pin point the real issues.
We will never hear anything about it as there are only 2 options
1. It is a snow job (says nothing of substance)
2. The results are so damning the board and management would have to resign.
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lol at anyone that thinks the club will disclose details to it's members. We are here to pay our nembership and donation money and not ask questions. Don't want the silent majority to find a voice.
"We are pleased to inform our members that the EY review is complete which has identified a number of issues which the board and club take very seriously and will implement measures to rectify them. Thank you for your patience and look forward to a great season ahead. Go Tigers."
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So when is the result to be revealed?
When all said and done, the longer the delay the more daging for the current board.
You do understand that there would a lot of info in the report (you know sensitive IP) that should not be made public
Don't need to release the report (possibly can't legally). But a summary of what the review uncovered wouldn't hurt. From the surface it seems we have highlighted assistant coaches, Chocco and Jackson as the issues. Surely that want all ?
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Yeah we don't want to release sensitive information about what we've been doing wrong for years so other teams know to avoid it
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Whattya meeeean they shouldnt release it?
Its still We, the people rrrrrrright?
(http://www.metalvideo.com/uploads/thumbs/Megedeth_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy_thumb.jpg)
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Still waiting.......
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Still waiting.......
Don't hold your breath MoL,she's a Lawyer and used to stringing things out,lying is her specialty.
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I just bring this up so no one forgets.
I have no expectations but the longer it goes....the worse it is.
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I've forgotten about it, let's just get on with it
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Whattya meeeean they shouldnt release it?
Its still We, the people rrrrrrright?
(http://www.metalvideo.com/uploads/thumbs/Megedeth_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy_thumb.jpg)
You guys love your death metal. I've tried to like it but it's just not my cup of tea. Sorry.
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Whattya meeeean they shouldnt release it?
Its still We, the people rrrrrrright?
(http://www.metalvideo.com/uploads/thumbs/Megedeth_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy_thumb.jpg)
You guys love your death metal. I've tried to like it but it's just not my cup of tea. Sorry.
When are we going to catch up and listen to our Joni Mitchell collection?
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Whattya meeeean they shouldnt release it?
Its still We, the people rrrrrrright?
(http://www.metalvideo.com/uploads/thumbs/Megedeth_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy_thumb.jpg)
You guys love your death metal. I've tried to like it but it's just not my cup of tea. Sorry.
That aint death metal. Its metal from 30 years ago. Hardly offensive and lyrics ahead of their time:-
What do you mean, "I don't believe in God"?
I talk to him everyday.
What do you mean, "I don't support your system"?
I go to court when I have to
What do you mean, "I can't get to work on time"?
I got nothing better to do.
And, what do you mean, "I don't pay my bills"?
Why do you think I'm broke? Huh?
If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But it better work this time.
What do you mean, "I hurt your feelings"?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, "I ain't kind"?
Just not your kind.
What do you mean, "I couldn't be the President
Of the United States of America"?
Tell me something, it's still "We the people!" right?
If there's a new way
I'll be the first in line
But it better work this time
Can you put a price on peace?
Peace,
Peace sells,
Peace,
Peace sells,
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
No, peace sells
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Whattya meeeean they shouldnt release it?
Its still We, the people rrrrrrright?
(http://www.metalvideo.com/uploads/thumbs/Megedeth_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy_thumb.jpg)
You guys love your death metal. I've tried to like it but it's just not my cup of tea. Sorry.
That aint death metal. Its metal from 30 years ago. Hardly offensive and lyrics ahead of their time:-
What do you mean, "I don't believe in God"?
I talk to him everyday.
What do you mean, "I don't support your system"?
I go to court when I have to
What do you mean, "I can't get to work on time"?
I got nothing better to do.
And, what do you mean, "I don't pay my bills"?
Why do you think I'm broke? Huh?
If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But it better work this time.
What do you mean, "I hurt your feelings"?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, "I ain't kind"?
Just not your kind.
What do you mean, "I couldn't be the President
Of the United States of America"?
Tell me something, it's still "We the people!" right?
If there's a new way
I'll be the first in line
But it better work this time
Can you put a price on peace?
Peace,
Peace sells,
Peace,
Peace sells,
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
No, peace sells
Never said the lyrics were an issue. By the way I thought Immolation was a death metal band from Yonkers. Just can't get into the music.
Did Ox write those? ;D
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Immolation is a death Metal band.
That pic is Dave Mustaine from megadeth.
Chalk and cheese
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Whattya meeeean they shouldnt release it?
Its still We, the people rrrrrrright?
(http://www.metalvideo.com/uploads/thumbs/Megedeth_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy_thumb.jpg)
You guys love your death metal. I've tried to like it but it's just not my cup of tea. Sorry.
That aint death metal. Its metal from 30 years ago. Hardly offensive and lyrics ahead of their time:-
What do you mean, "I don't believe in God"?
I talk to him everyday.
What do you mean, "I don't support your system"?
I go to court when I have to
What do you mean, "I can't get to work on time"?
I got nothing better to do.
And, what do you mean, "I don't pay my bills"?
Why do you think I'm broke? Huh?
If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But it better work this time.
What do you mean, "I hurt your feelings"?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, "I ain't kind"?
Just not your kind.
What do you mean, "I couldn't be the President
Of the United States of America"?
Tell me something, it's still "We the people!" right?
If there's a new way
I'll be the first in line
But it better work this time
Can you put a price on peace?
Peace,
Peace sells,
Peace,
Peace sells,
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
Peace sells, but who's buying?
No, peace sells
Never said the lyrics were an issue. By the way I thought Immolation was a death metal band from Yonkers. Just can't get into the music.
Did Ox write those? ;D
Immo are a death metal band but that's Dave Mustaine from Metallica (early)/Megadeth. I'm a black metal man myself with awesome band names like Blut Aus Nord and Mgła ;D
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Sorry boys. Got my Megadeths and Immolations mixed up. Not an area of music I'm into. I'm more Dire Straits, Bon Jovi, Prince era sort of guy. ;D
Apologies once more. :thumbsup
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(http://images.memes.com/meme/178166)
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Would not call it out of touch. Just not an area of interest.
Whatever makes your day I say. That sort of music just doesn't make mine. ;D
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Go on put your Enya on, no one will judge you...
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Where's the Nicki Minaj and Justin Beiber love?
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Still waiting.......
For the pillars to be explained or the review?
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I dunno, I log in here and I hear a whole lot of Erasure going on sometimes
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
Great idea
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
So we have to remind the board how to communicate on their job?
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If she hasn't released it or a summary at least then some of the people criticized must still be at the club. I doubt there is IP like WP said it'll be about limiting public criticizm while people are still at the club.
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
Great idea
Mind you WP, why should I have to ask?
Surely it should be released as a matter of course.
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
Great idea
Mind you WP, why should I have to ask?
Surely it should be released as a matter of course.
They'd argue that they've already released (& I use the term loosely) details what they can (you need to accept that there would stuff they simply cannot release publicly) via Gale's vidoe that was on the RFC website when Balme was appointed
Clearly to most that's not enough
so all I'm suggesting is instead of continually bringing it up on here you've now been given an email address where you can ask the president directly
So why don't you
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
Great idea
Mind you WP, why should I have to ask?
Surely it should be released as a matter of course.
They'd argue that they've already released (& I use the term loosely) details what they can (you need to accept that there would stuff they simply cannot release publicly) via Gale's vidoe that was on the RFC website when Balme was appointed
Clearly to most that's not enough
so all I'm suggesting is instead of continually bringing it up on here you've now been given an email address where you can ask the president directly
So why don't you
Why not release all the details?
Its s sporting club not the bloody D-Day invasion plan.
Might i add the club is dispropotionally bankrolled by members thanks to the clubs inability to generate other revenue streams.
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God forbid we release classified information. Other clubs are bound to see how successful we are and will copy us and we can't have that can we.
Wonder if RFCO can answer ou.... oh wait
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After the statement by Peggy, just wondering if this long awaited open disclosure about to be released?
Why dont you email and ask?
Great idea
Mind you WP, why should I have to ask?
Surely it should be released as a matter of course.
They'd argue that they've already released (& I use the term loosely) details what they can (you need to accept that there would stuff they simply cannot release publicly) via Gale's vidoe that was on the RFC website when Balme was appointed
Clearly to most that's not enough
so all I'm suggesting is instead of continually bringing it up on here you've now been given an email address where you can ask the president directly
So why don't you
Why not release all the details?
Its s sporting club not the bloody D-Day invasion plan.
Might i add the club is dispropotionally bankrolled by members thanks to the clubs inability to generate other revenue streams.
Geez, even I can't disagree with that :clapping
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
Shoe me a club with a more embarrasingly poor record over 30 years.
Alot of trust and benefit of the doubt been given there....
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
Shoe me a club with a more embarrasingly poor record over 30 years.
Alot of trust and benefit of the doubt been given there....
That didn't answer my request Dookster.... >:(
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Classic business balls ups rule #4
Never ask for an external review unless you know what it will reveal
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
Show me a club with a more embarrasingly poor record over 30 years.
Alot of trust and benefit of the doubt been given there....
That didn't answer my request Dookster.... >:(
You're assuming the merits your request is worthy of a specific answer...
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
Show me a club with a more embarrasingly poor record over 30 years.
Alot of trust and benefit of the doubt been given there....
That didn't answer my request Dookster.... >:(
You're assuming the merits your request is worthy of a specific answer...
I didn't think my request was that outrageous. I'd love a real report from the club but I'm not that naive to believe they'd just hand it out to me. Just being realistic. I'm suggesting everyone else should also be realistic.
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
Show me a club with a more embarrasingly poor record over 30 years.
Alot of trust and benefit of the doubt been given there....
That didn't answer my request Dookster.... >:(
You're assuming the merits your request is worthy of a specific answer...
I didn't think my request was that outrageous. I'd love a real report from the club but I'm not that naive to believe they'd just hand it out to me. Just being realistic. I'm suggesting everyone else should also be realistic.
Suggest what you like Doc but dont expect people to buy in to your own definitions of accepted 'realism' and conservative posting given what should happen to cut the bs and movr the club fwd.
Geez if we haven't learnt about and bought into transparency and accountability by now we will never move fwd
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The club did release a report of why we were where we were at the start of Hardwicks period. Maybe it's too critical of Hardwick to become public.
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You guys are deluded.
Show me a report from an opposition club which actually names names and gets the real information out to its members. I wouldn't think one exists.
The action of sacking the assistants and facilitating the Deledio trade must tell you something of the problems.
Show me a club with a more embarrasingly poor record over 30 years.
Alot of trust and benefit of the doubt been given there....
That didn't answer my request Dookster.... >:(
You're assuming the merits your request is worthy of a specific answer...
I didn't think my request was that outrageous. I'd love a real report from the club but I'm not that naive to believe they'd just hand it out to me. Just being realistic. I'm suggesting everyone else should also be realistic.
Suggest what you like Doc but dont expect people to buy in to your own definitions of accepted 'realism' and conservative posting given what should happen to cut the bs and movr the club fwd.
Geez if we haven't learnt about and bought into transparency and accountability by now we will never move fwd
I call it balanced posting.
One of the best lessons in life is not to look at things with too extreme a view. Look at both sides of the argument and you can really only do that well from the middle. Take it from an older codger who has been around a long time. ;D
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Too long if you ask me
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Trust me no one will ask you
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"The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
From the first post on this thread.
YBB if the president claimed that she would reveal the review to the supporters why are you upset when posters are calling for its release?
Its been two months now Tic. Tic. Tic......
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Trust me no one will ask you
Pay that you grumpy old fart :clapping
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"The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
From the first post on this thread.
YBB if the president claimed that she would reveal the review to the supporters why are you upset when posters are calling for its release?
Its been two months now Tic. Tic. Tic......
Who said I'm upset? I'm just saying that they are not going to release the real facts the review uncovered. They are still probably rewriting the review so it can be released for general consumption. It will be bare little resemblance to the original. :shh
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wgaf?
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not me
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"The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
From the first post on this thread.
YBB if the president claimed that she would reveal the review to the supporters why are you upset when posters are calling for its release?
Its been two months now Tic. Tic. Tic......
Who said I'm upset? I'm just saying that they are not going to release the real facts the review uncovered. They are still probably rewriting the review so it can be released for general consumption. It will be bare little resemblance to the original. :shh
So are you saying that they were deliberately deceiving paying members? And that doesn't upset you? It sure upsets me...
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"The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
From the first post on this thread.
YBB if the president claimed that she would reveal the review to the supporters why are you upset when posters are calling for its release?
Its been two months now Tic. Tic. Tic......
Who said I'm upset? I'm just saying that they are not going to release the real facts the review uncovered. They are still probably rewriting the review so it can be released for general consumption. It will be bare little resemblance to the original. :shh
So are you saying that they were deliberately deceiving paying members? And tghat doesn't upset you? It sure upsets me...
I would not call it deliberately deceiving members. It's more like white lies. Hiding sensitive information that may even lead to threats of defamation if published.
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"The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
From the first post on this thread.
YBB if the president claimed that she would reveal the review to the supporters why are you upset when posters are calling for its release?
Its been two months now Tic. Tic. Tic......
Who said I'm upset? I'm just saying that they are not going to release the real facts the review uncovered. They are still probably rewriting the review so it can be released for general consumption. It will be bare little resemblance to the original. :shh
So are you saying that they were deliberately deceiving paying members? And tghat doesn't upset you? It sure upsets me...
I would not call it deliberately deceiving members. It's more like white lies. Hiding sensitive information that may even lead to threats of defamation if published.
So why even say you're going to release the information?
Feels like we are enabling mediocrity again.
If you are right, it's just poor leadership.
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"The president said the review Richmond is undertaking with consultants Ernst and Young was close to being revealed to supporters with CEO Brendon Gale's "implementation plan".
From the first post on this thread.
YBB if the president claimed that she would reveal the review to the supporters why are you upset when posters are calling for its release?
Its been two months now Tic. Tic. Tic......
Who said I'm upset? I'm just saying that they are not going to release the real facts the review uncovered. They are still probably rewriting the review so it can be released for general consumption. It will be bare little resemblance to the original. :shh
So are you saying that they were deliberately deceiving paying members? And tghat doesn't upset you? It sure upsets me...
I would not call it deliberately deceiving members. It's more like white lies. Hiding sensitive information that may even lead to threats of defamation if published.
So why even say you're going to release the information?
Feels like we are enabling mediocrity again.
If you are right, it's just poor leadership.
I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I'm saying it's the only way the club can see itself out of this mess it's put itself into.
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So if you are right, you can see they've created another mess by communicating another promise that they haven't honoured.
Where I work it's called - "Do what you say".
Pretty basic stuff.
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Still going. It's complicated.
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She's as good as Hillary
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I have emailed her asking about when the results of the review will be revealed, no answer to date