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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 28, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
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Sam Edmunds on SEN.
Mutual decision.
Higgins squeezed out as he has fallen down the pecking order of our smalls.
He mentioned Higgins possibly to St Kilda not Carlton.
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I guess worth Maurice Rioli Jr coming in he will be really down the order. A shame because we used a first round on him and it must have been hard getting back on the park after surgery. I do wish him all the best. He has great talent and goal sense. Should play 100 games somewhere else
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Deal still needs to be done
And I'd want a 2nd round pick at a minimum
Not going to get 1st rounder but 2nd rounder seems fair
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Late 1st rounder he cost us, showed a lot before the injury , all clear now.
It’s hard to step up when you haven’t done the work so if we don’t get his right value, I’d keep him as he could also be a Neale type mid for Richmond
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JACK HIGGINS SET TO DEPART TIGERLAND
BY SAMMY EDMUND
SEN
28 October 2020
Jack Higgins won’t play for Richmond next year.
Both the Tigers and Higgins are in agreement that his future lies at another club in 2021.
Higgins is contracted for next year, so a trade would need to be struck that the Tigers would accept.
But the 21-year-old small forward wasn’t able to cement his spot in Damien Hardwick’s best 22 this season.
It’s understood Higgins has settled on a Melbourne-based club for next year.
But it won’t be Carlton despite the Blues’ desire to land a younger small forward.
Higgins burst onto the scene in 2018 before brain surgery last year threatened his career after playing the first 13 games of 2019.
He was taken by the Tigers with pick 17 in the 2017 national draft.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/28/jack-higgins-set-to-depart-tigerland/
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WHERE DOES JACK HIGGINS FIT IN?
Speaking on AFL Exchange's hour on Trade Radio, AFL.com.au's Cal Twomey said the under-contract Jack Higgins, who has reportedly requested a trade, could fit into a team as a midfielder.
"It's going to take a reasonable trade deal to make it happen. He probably just got overtaken a bit by Jake Aarts late in the season, he was injured as well in the lead-up to the finals with a calf," Twomey said.
"He was kicking bags of four or five and was clearly one of the better players on the park (in scratch matches).
"St Kilda has been closely linked a few weeks back and when it was put to them, it has been strongly denied.
"I think he's definitely a valuable player because of his hard running power. He sees himself as a midfielder."
https://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
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Gotta love the effort from him to get back to playing but I never liked him as a player. Will probably thrive at another club
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Deal still needs to be done
And I'd want a 2nd round pick at a minimum
Not going to get 1st rounder but 2nd roundervseems fair
Agree WP. A 2nd rounder would be more than fair given it will be a late 2nd round (mid 30s) with St Kilda finishing 5th.
The Saints currently have picks 15, 58, 71, 87 & 105. So they either have to find a 2nd rounder at the trade table or offer up their future 2021 one.
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Not sure St Kilda would do it but I'd be happy with that as it moves us up the first round.
What year is Charlie Naish eligible for the draft?
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Higgins is contracted. But as I explained on hot breakfast this morning. And yesterday. He is keen to get a game and play. He’s missed two grand finals. St Kilda in a good position. But there is wider interest too
https://twitter.com/TomBrowne7
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On 7news tonight they showed Benny Gale at the airport saying Higgins is "still a required player".
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If we can get a good deal I would trade him I don't rate him.
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St Kilda's club rep on SEN said they've had no indication from Higgins or Richmond that he is leaving and wants to go to the Saints.
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St Kilda's club rep on SEN said they've had no indication from Higgins or Richmond that he is leaving and wants to go to the Saints.
= He's coming over
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The key reason for Jack Higgins’ decision to leave Richmond
Joey Riordan
7Sport
Thursday, 29 October 2020
Jack Higgins will not be playing at Richmond in 2021 despite being contracted for one more year, and now the reason for his departure has been revealed.
According to 7NEWS’ Tom Browne, the 21-year-old was convinced he needed to move on from the Tigers in order to get game time and kick some goals.
The small forward has agreed with the Tigers that his future lies elsewhere, with St Kilda emerging as his most likely landing spot.
“Higgins is contracted but as I explained this morning, he is keen to get a game and play,” Browne wrote on Twitter.
“He’s missed two grand finals. St Kilda are in a good position. But there is wider interest too.”
Browne had earlier told radio listeners that Higgins had an urge to play some footy and kick some goals.
“Jack Higgins has a year to go on his contract with Richmond. He just wants to play for and kick some sausages,” Browne told Triple M.
Browne reported on Wednesday that Higgins’ most likely destination is St Kilda – after it emerged Carlton were unlikely to sign him despite showing interest earlier in his career.
“I think he’ll end up at St Kilda, there’s a lot to play out there but that could happen definitely,” Browne told Triple M.
The 21-year-old’s career was derailed in 2019 after he was forced to undergo brain surgery.
Higgins struggled to land a spot in Richmond’s best 22 during their premiership-winning 2020 season.
He was recently embroiled in an off-field controversy after his partner Tenisha Crook unleashed a tirade at the Western Bulldogs while in the AFL hub in Queensland.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/the-key-reason-for-jack-higgins-decision-to-leave-richmond-c-1478190
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Jack Higgins (Richmond)
“I said a couple of days ago that St Kilda is absolutely in the box seat here.
“The Tigers would like to keep him, but he wants opportunity and the Saints are definitely in the offing there.
“I think this one will happen, he’s due back from holidays in the next couple of days so expect this one to pick up pace in the lead up to the trade period.”
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/10/29/sam-edmunds-trade-update-on-crouch-higgins-daniher-dunstan-and-more/
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Why Higgins is best fit for Saints
Richmond’s Jack Higgins will be at a new club next season as a former recruiter explains why his preferred destination will be the right one.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trades-2020-matt-rendall-talks-up-jack-higgins-for-st-kilda/news-story/1796228ab98c9eb78eb26635e9d6f564
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Sam Edmund and Anthony Hudson on SEN:
Richmond want Higgins to stay and he is contracted.
This is player driven. Been sold the dream at St Kilda.
Richmond are pretty good at handling these things. If Higgins really wants to leave they will accommodate it.
Not sure what the Saints could offer Richmond though as even if it was their first pick #17, it's less than what Richmond drafted him for. Higgins was a first round pick who played from the get go until his brain injury.
The Saints would also need to do a salary cap dump (Lonie) to fit in Higgins.
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Next years first or go FO Saints. We will keep him.
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I think he has a low ceiling and his first year will be his best.
If we can get #17 (probably down to 20+ with slides) I would take it.
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Trade radio saying we'll accept a pick in the 30's..... :shh
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Trade radio saying we'll accept a pick in the 30's..... :shh
Eek that's low.
Minnow club really bottom feeding off our greatness here.
What Higgins being paid? Hope they take his whole 2021 contract...
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Can't see it happening a pick in thirties we hold the cards he is contracted.
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Eek that's low.
Minnow club really bottom feeding off our greatness here.
What Higgins being paid? Hope they take his whole 2021 contract...
they will take his whole contract and most likely give him an extension
He is not worth the Aints first round pick this year or next
I'd take a pick in the 30's (late 2nd rounder)
He isn't in our best 28, let alone 22 with the kids we have coming through
you said it yourself Andy, his first season is most likely going to be his best
He basically had a year out of the game and it showed....
No point in keeping him if he doesn't want to be part of our Club
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I would take Sinclair from saints suits us.
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Just keep him
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Eek that's low.
Minnow club really bottom feeding off our greatness here.
What Higgins being paid? Hope they take his whole 2021 contract...
they will take his whole contract and most likely give him an extension
He is not worth the Aints first round pick this year or next
I'd take a pick in the 30's (late 2nd rounder)
He isn't in our best 28, let alone 22 with the kids we have coming through
you said it yourself Andy, his first season is most likely going to be his best
He basically had a year out of the game and it showed....
No point in keeping him if he doesn't want to be part of our Club
Come on!
If we get a few injuries to our small forwards, he plays.
Another preseason will help him too.
He is a hard worker and will do almost anything to improve.
He might not be in our best 22 at the moment, but the point is he would be in St. Kilda’s.
Our side is pretty hard to get into.
Surely a second rounder is fair- and if they don’t have that, they need to get it.
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No complaints on the markov trade because I think that was about right but we should really be getting a pick in the 20s for Higgins. Was a first round draft pick only three years ago, has played more games than he’s missed which for a young player in a 2/3 year premiership side while suffering a major injury is not to be understated and most importantly is still contracted.
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Love the wishful thinking on here.
Trade value is based on market value not best case scenario for players
A pick between 30-40 will be about the mark i reckon.
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SAINTS STILL IN THE DARK ON TIGER
Ben Waterworth
Foxsports
5 November 2020
St Kilda chief operating officer Simon Lethlean says his club has had initial conversations with Jack Higgins’ management, but the young Tiger still hasn’t indicated he wants to leave the club.
Higgins, 21, played just 10 games and kicked five goals in 2020 as he was starved of opportunity.
While he’s contracted to the Tigers for another year, multiple reports have suggested Higgins is keen to move clubs for more senior opportunities.
The Saints are reportedly the leading suitor for Higgins.
Lethlean confirmed to SEN Breakfast that the Saints had reached out to Higgins’ management, but said “the speculation is further down the road than it is in the conversations”.
“We’ve only had discussions at the early stages that we are keen on Jack as a player,” Lethlean told SEN Breakfast. “But he’s contracted and hasn’t given any significant indication that he wants to come to the Saints or to the Tigers.
“There’s a lot of speculation about that one, but given he’s under contract that’s really with the Tigers to consider. It’s very early days that one.
“We’ve had discussions with his management but it’s not at the stage where he’s told the Tigers he wants to leave because he’s under contract and I think he’s a pretty well regarded player at the club.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2020-trade-blog-trade-chat-thursday-november-5-trade-period-free-agents-latest-news/news-story/4cee926fb90afe59167315bdbe33b594
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Tigers hold firm on Jack Higgins
By Riley Beveridge, Callum Twomey, Mitch Cleary and Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
5 November 2020
Richmond insists midfielder/forward Jack Higgins is yet to request a trade, with the Tigers maintaining plans to keep him at the club in 2021.
Higgins holds a contract with the Tigers for next season but has been linked with a move from Punt Road after being limited to 10 games this year.
St Kilda confirmed its interest in Higgins on Thursday, but conceded talks around the 21-year-old were at preliminary stages.
"No, he hasn't (requested a trade)," Richmond general manager of talent Blair Hartley told ABC's Corbin and Ben on Thursday.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/523674/inside-trading-dogs-hunt-lion-in-limbo-tigers-hold-firm-on-jack
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Love the wishful thinking on here.
Trade value is based on market value not best case scenario for players
A pick between 30-40 will be about the mark i reckon.
Not really market value when he’s a contracted player. Club holds the cards.
Also why has his market value dropped from 17 to 30-40 in 3 years?
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Love the wishful thinking on here.
Trade value is based on market value not best case scenario for players
A pick between 30-40 will be about the mark i reckon.
Not really market value when he’s a contracted player. Club holds the cards.
Also why has his market value dropped from 17 to 30-40 in 3 years?
Especially in a crap/difficult draft.
I don't subscribe to the 'fringe players are worth nothing' mentality.
Some people think if you aren't playing 15-20+ games/year then you may as well be delisted I guess.
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Love the wishful thinking on here.
Trade value is based on market value not best case scenario for players
A pick between 30-40 will be about the mark i reckon.
Not really market value when he’s a contracted player. Club holds the cards.
Also why has his market value dropped from 17 to 30-40 in 3 years?
On that theory was Jack Watts still worth pick 1 when traded to Poort Adelaide?
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Love the wishful thinking on here.
Trade value is based on market value not best case scenario for players
A pick between 30-40 will be about the mark i reckon.
Not really market value when he’s a contracted player. Club holds the cards.
Also why has his market value dropped from 17 to 30-40 in 3 years?
On that theory was Jack Watts still worth pick 1 when traded to Poort Adelaide?
Jack watts got traded after 9 seasons with Melbourne in a team that wasn’t close to achieving anything with no competition for his spot. Even then he still got traded for pick 31.
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Saints getting a bit greedy and I think all the press praise is going to their head thinking they can get our contracted players.
They would want to be offering a first rounder for Jack otherwise tell them to GGF. Will take next years for him.
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Saints got Butler for pick 60ish last year - a premiership player.
Can't blame them for thinking Higgo might come cheap based on that.
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Saints ain't getting Higgo without paying market value plus a bonus for giving them Butler (AA squad) for free. 1st rounder minimum
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He's worth pick 25-35 or so.
Surprised (not really) he was getting as many games as he did even before his health troubles. Best of luck to him though, should play 100 games at this level for a modest side & he seems like a nice enough kid
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Some wanted to get rid of Kamdyn last year too. Played the best footy of his career.
Jack is 21 years old. If Jye Caldwell is worth a 1st so is Jack, particularly whilst contracted.
Anyway, he hasn't asked for a trade and we want to keep him so all this is moot. Hope he proves the doubters wrong next year.
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Not sure where you get the idea anybody wants to get rid of him.
He wants to leave for more opportunity.
Club want to keep him but if he does choose to leave the conversation is about what is the best compensation.
Realistic compo not Dodoro type demands.
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Keep him unless we get decent pick, there are more clubs than St Kilda looking at him, so don’t be surprised if an offer comes from elsewhere
I think he can become a Neale type. Apart from and due to his surgery he lost fitness which he needs to be top player
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St Kilda don't want to pay much for Higgins according to SEN just now.
Mind you it took them 5 minutes to realise it's Jack Higgins and not Jack Graham :facepalm.
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St Kilda don't want to pay much for Higgins according to SEN just now.
Mind you it took them 5 minutes to realise it's Jack Higgins and not Jack Graham :facepalm.
Then they can
F
Off
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Tigers won't give up Higgins easily
Richmond is keen to retain skilful half-forward Jack Higgins but would likely broker a trade if he declared he wanted to be a St Kilda player.
The Saints have declared they have an interest in the versatile Richmond mid-forward but are yet to receive a trade request from the No.17 pick in the 2017 national draft.
The Tigers believe Higgins will continue to improve given his pace and raw talent as he continues to blend his instinctive football with an understanding of the team system.
But they are in a position where they would not block a request if he decided he wanted to move elsewhere.
He has played 43 games in three seasons despite undergoing brain surgery last year, including 10 this year on his way back from that complicated procedure.
Jack Higgins is yet to request a trade.
Richmond seems certain to secure father-son recruit Maurice Rioli Jr in December’s draft to add to their stock of busy pressuring forwards.
But the Tigers believe there is no reason Higgins, 21, can't break into the midfield and command a starring role next year or continue as a clever half-forward.
St Kilda has pick 17 and then 64 and 77 as its next picks, so would need to find a selection in between if it did trade for Higgins.
Saints footy boss Simon Lethlean said the club had engaged in talks with Higgins’ manager.
“We’ve only had discussions at the early stages that we are keen on Jack as a player,” he told SEN.
“But he’s contracted and hasn’t given any significant indication to us or to the Tigers that he wants to come to the Saints.
“There’s a lot of speculation about that one, but given he’s under contract that’s really with the Tigers to consider. That’s very early days that one.
“We’ve had discussions with his management, but it’s not at the stage where he’s told the Tigers he wants to leave.
“He’s under contract and I think he’s a pretty well regarded player at the club. So the speculation is further down the road than the conversations
:shh
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Love the wishful thinking on here.
Trade value is based on market value not best case scenario for players
A pick between 30-40 will be about the mark i reckon.
Its trade week - everyone engages in wishful thinking..... both ways.
If Jye Caldwell is worth a first rounder, so too is Jack Higgins, even if it should be at the back end of that round
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What every club needs to do and the picks they can use
November 9, 2020
by MAX LAUGHTON AND MATT BALMER
Source: FOX SPORTS
RICHMOND
What’s left to do
Not a lot. Jack Higgins has been weighing up his options after being squeezed out of the Tigers’ best 22 late in the season, and was linked to St Kilda, but he’s yet to officially request a trade and Richmond would be more than happy to keep him. It’s up to the 2017 No. 17 pick from here – if he wants to go, expect him to go.
What draft picks they have to use
21, 36, 61, 79, 97
ST KILDA
Richmond young gun Jack Higgins’ name is continually linked with the Saints, but until any official trade request is made, there won’t be any discussions between the two clubs. At this stage, it appears the forward-midfielder will remain at Tigerland, but discussions late from the Saints could force a change of heart.
What draft picks they have to use
17, 64, 77, 93
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-whispers-rumours-2020-trades-state-of-play-every-clubs-trade-news-analysis-trade-period-targets-free-agents/news-story/b752f8151786b6ad29821e1f4037374f
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Jack Higgins
Richmond has made it clear that Higgins must formally request a trade before it considers any offers for the midfielder-forward. Higgins is understood to be open to a move and has been linked to St Kilda, but the chances of a trade are becoming less likely. Higgins lost his spot in the Tigers' team on the eve of the finals this season.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/523921/inside-trading-the-19-deals-in-play-with-four-days-to-go
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It’s the little things, like saying hello to a stranger, that helps drive Jack Higgins’ optimistic outlook in life 😊 The Richmond small forward and fan favourite opens up on how he embodies a positive attitude, thanks to Colgate Australia.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1325323457811243008
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Sam Edmund on SEN:
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Higgins wants out. Wants game time after watching two premierships from the sidelines.
Richmond, whether due to not wanting to get burnt again after Butler last year or because they see the future potential of Higgins, aren't going to give him up cheaply.
Edmund expects a deal to get done (but didn't say how).
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First round pick should be involved.
Kid has played 43 of a possible 70 games despite brain surgery.
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It’s the little things, like saying hello to a stranger, that helps drive Jack Higgins’ optimistic outlook in life 😊 The Richmond small forward and fan favourite opens up on how he embodies a positive attitude, thanks to Colgate Australia.
https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1325323457811243008
Hello to a lot of strangers as he says goodbye to the tigers :shh
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It's all about perceived value. There is no way Adam Saad is worth pick 8 or top 18 in my opinion. If he was playing for Richmond he'd be borderline best 22. He wouldn't be getting a game over Baker, Vlastuin or Short. Maybe he'd replace Houli (oh hello wasn't that what Oleg was doing)??
Don't want Jack to leave but if he does we need to be compensated, would take Saints 1st and give back a third rounder..
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Tigers rebuff Saints’ offer for Higgins
Liam Twomey
JON RALPH
Richmond has so far rebuffed St Kilda’s offer of a future second-round selection for Jack Higgins, with a potential trade for the Tigers midfielder still possible before Thursday's deadline.
Higgins has made clear he would like to move to St Kilda to gain more opportunities after 10 games in 2020 but the Tigers are keen to retain him.
They are yet to officially shut down a move and would require a significant trade for the No.17 draft selection in the 2017 national draft.
St Kilda’s first two picks in the 2020 national draft are 17 and 64, and their first-rounder this year is not up for grabs.
Please include the link to the article:
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-trade-period-day-four-follow-every-move-and-the-latest-news-live/live-coverage/c6261b3e9f53390ac3bc65359f87c98c
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They should just cough up their first rounder this year. It's been pushed back a bit already with FA compo.
Solid chance they'll have a better pick next year.
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Adam Cooney on SEN reckons Higgins is worth a late 20s to pick 30.
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Age reporting he has officially requested a trade to Saints.
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His manager is on now and he's definately out of there. Talking future picks.
Big test for the Tigers here. Dont accept a future second rounder.
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Adam Cooney on SEN reckons Higgins is worth a late 20s to pick 30.
Ironically about the same value as Cooney turned out to be worth.
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Cost pick 17 and is better now. Keep him if we don’t get equivalent
They owe us some good will for there 2nd in the B & F -butler
Interest from other clubs but I would keep him, will be the next Neale
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We hold the the cards with this one if saints don't want to involve there first rd well good luck with a swap of picks.Future first rd they offered dreaming.
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Cost pick 17 and is better now. Keep him if we don’t get equivalent
They owe us some good will for there 2nd in the B & F -butler
Interest from other clubs but I would keep him, will be the next Neale
Cost pick 17 and had not doubt improved his value by end of his first year.
Value went back in 2019 following his serious medical issue and didn't improve this year.
Pick 20-25 is about right.
Saints have pick 17 which will push back to 20 or more with academy bids so its about right. Throw in the Butler goodwill from last year and its spot on
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Late first round selection would be spot on. Not sure how they get this done to be honest with what they have available to give away.
Pick 17 sounds about right to me but not sure they will hand it over...
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Would anyone do this
Swap of first round picks this year so move up 4 spots plus future second rounder
I wouldn't as I think this year or next years first on its own is about right. Someone threw this up to me.
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Would anyone do this
Swap of first round picks this year so move up 4 spots plus future second rounder
I wouldn't as I think this year or next years first on its own is about right. Someone threw this up to me.
Maybe 2021 second and swap 2021 firsts.
Need to back ourselves to finish about them next year.
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Whatever equals pick 17 , sick of giving players away for unders . Keep him and play him through the middle
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Did Dimma stuff up by not picking him ahead of Riolo who really was a passenger this year?
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Thats a good scenario. We always look to accomodate our players and that is a fair and importantly doable scenario imo
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Thats a good scenario. We always look to accomodate our players and that is a fair and importantly doable scenario imo
Long time between drinks Claw
Welcome back.
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St Kilda offering a future 2nd round pick.
Tigers saying that is not enough.
- 9news
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St Kilda offering a future 2nd round pick.
Tigers saying that is not enough.
- 9news
(https://deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/missionaryimpossible3.png)
:shh
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With Higgins gone.....could someone come back ??? :shh
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What about simply
We get St.Kilda’s pick 17
And they get Higgins and our pick 36 odd?
Thoughts?
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Future picks could unlock Higgins trade
By Jake Niall and Daniel Cherny
The Age
November 10, 2020
Future picks are likely to come into play in a potential trade for Jack Higgins after he requested a move from Richmond to St Kilda.
Higgins' agent Paul Connors confirmed on Monday that the goalsneak had sought a move to Moorabbin, informing Tigers coach Damien Hardwick and list manager Blair Hartley over the weekend.
Higgins, a first-round draft pick only three years ago, was a regular during his first season at Richmond but has been in and out of the team over the past two seasons, having overcome a brain bleed which ended his 2019 campaign.
He played 10 senior matches this year but missed selection during the Tigers' run to the grand final which culminated in a second straight premiership.
Higgins has a year to run on his contract with the Tigers and would get a new, longer-term deal with the Saints.
He would become St Kilda's third post-season recruit in 2020, after Brad Crouch joined from Adelaide as a free agent and delisted free agent Shaun McKernan.
Richmond have publicly indicated a desire to retain Higgins.
The Tigers would be keen for a first-round pick in any deal with the Saints for Higgins but St Kilda made it clear in the lead-up to Crouch's move that they were unwilling to part with their first-round selection this year (currently pick No. 17).
Whether the Saints would give up a future first-round pick in a deal for Higgins remains unclear.
St Kilda don't currently have a second-round selection in this year's draft.
Connors said his player "just wants to play footy".
Despite the fact that Higgins has a year to run on his contract with Richmond, Connors said he was confident a deal could be done.
Stressing that it was important to stay respectful to all parties, especially given Higgins is contracted, Connors told Trade Radio he thought the Saints were "a really good fit".
"He just wants to play footy and he'd love an opportunity at the Saints," Connors said.
"When you're contracted it's really important that you're respectful to all parties.
"But I think Jack is such a passionate young man and I think it's in everyone's best interests that he moves."
Connors hinted that future picks could be key to getting the deal across the line.
Hartley told ABC Radio last week that Higgins remained in the club's plans for 2021.
"At the moment Jack's contracted and he's really important to us going forward, so we'll just consider that as it is right now," Hartley said.
The Saints have fast become the AFL prime destination club, having landed Bradley Hill, Dougal Howard, Paddy Ryder, Zak Jones and Higgins' former teammate Dan Butler via trades last year.
Four of their 2019 trade quintet finished in the top 10 of the club's best and fairest this year, with the exception being Hill.
Higgins was a St Kilda supporter as a child and featured on screen in shots of the crowd during the Saints' thrilling 2009 preliminary final win over the Western Bulldogs.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/future-picks-could-unlock-higgins-trade-20201109-p56cyi.html
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The problem is if we retain him for next year and he still wants to go next year he will be uncontracted and we lose our bargaining power. Need a high draft pick in exchange for him.
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BT, a caller to SEN suggested your trade scenario: Higgins + pick 40 for the Saints' pick 17. Sam Edmund said that looked from the outside doable.
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Sam Edmund added that Higgins' heart is in joining St Kilda but the issue is he is contracted to Richmond. Tigers want maximum compensation as they believe Higgins upside is huge.
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BT, a caller to SEN suggested your trade scenario: Higgins + pick 40 for the Saints' pick 17. Sam Edmund said that looked from the outside doable.
Only worth doing if we think Higgins has less upside than this year's #17 draft prospect.
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I love it when contracted players ‘hearts’ lay elsewhere.
Mate, you’ve been unavailable for selection for more than 12-months, we still gave you opportunities soon after your return, you didn’t deliver... get better and opportunities will come.
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Thats a good scenario. We always look to accomodate our players and that is a fair and importantly doable scenario imo
Long time between drinks Claw
Welcome back.
Thanks not many around here would share your sentiment id say.
Three flags in 4 yrs its probably time to start getting people out of their comfort zones.
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Thats a good scenario. We always look to accomodate our players and that is a fair and importantly doable scenario imo
Long time between drinks Claw
Welcome back.
Thanks not many around here would share your sentiment id say.
You would be surprised, this is a forum for discussion and you certainly got that going
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What does he want? Cannot play because of brain bleed, does not do the team thing ?
FHO, ungrateful cry baby
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Ross Lyon has urged Higgins to remain at Richmond.
Directing his comments on camera to Higgins, Lyon said: "Richmond has nutured you." He would be telling Higgins to stay at a good club like Richmond, prove yourself and work your way back into the 22.
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Ross Lyon has urged Higgins to remain at Richmond.
Directing his comments on camera to Higgins, Lyon said: "Richmond has nutured you." He would be telling Higgins to stay at a good club like Richmond, prove yourself and work your way back into the 22.
Wossy espousing loyalty, there is a certain irony in that :)
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BT, a caller to SEN suggested your trade scenario: Higgins + pick 40 for the Saints' pick 17. Sam Edmund said that looked from the outside doable.
Sounds fair to me....
I must admit I’m not a Higgins fan but my mate is who knows footy pretty well.
I just don’t think he is suited to our style of play.
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BT, a caller to SEN suggested your trade scenario: Higgins + pick 40 for the Saints' pick 17. Sam Edmund said that looked from the outside doable.
Sounds fair to me....
I must admit I’m not a Higgins fan but my mate is who knows footy pretty well.
I just don’t think he is suited to our style of play.
Draft points wise that trade would be too cheap.
Pick 17 (1025 pts) - Pick 36 (502 pts) = 523 pts
That's equivalent in draft points to us receiving pick 35. Too low for Higgins.
Better for us to trade Higgins + Suns' future 3rd for St Kilda's pick 17.
Assuming Gold Coast finish bottom 6 next year, then their future 3rd which we now hold would be approximately pick 42-45 = 350-400 pts.
Pick 17 (1025) - F3 (350-400) = 625-675 pts
That's the points equivalent to the Saints handing us pick 28-30 which is the minimum selling price for Higgins IMO.
Effectively, Higgins & Markov for the Saints' 1st rounder (pick 17).
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Higgins + 19
For
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Your one Andyy is doing the rounds again:
Pick 21 & Higgins for Pick 17 & the Saints' future 2nd rounder.
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Higgins + 19
15 + 2021 2nd (approx 33 based on 2020 finish).
Don't want anything less than mid 2nd.
Your one Andyy is doing the rounds again:
Pick 21 & Higgins for Pick 17 & the Saints' future 2nd rounder.
Not happy with that straight swap for 17 that's it our first round not involved if anything they get a 3rd pick.
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I don't care that they want to use their first round pick or told Crows they wouldn't use it for Crouch. He was out of contracted
Pick 17 for Higgo (take it or FO)...
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BF rumour the deal is done.
2021 2nd rounder + sweeteners (pick swaps probably, points for MRJ).
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Read somewhere else that because of the Butler bargain, we want a good deal.
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Sam Edmund on SEN:
Deal hasn't been done yet but it will be by tomorrow. Specifics to be thrashed out.
Deal will involve 2nd round picks, future 2nd rounders and a swap of late picks.
Saints won't give up their 1st rounder.
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Callers to SEN:
Higgins worth an equivalent pick to the first rounder Richmond drafted him with. Has played 75% of possible games since he was drafted barring the brain injury.
If Caldwell is worth a 1st rounder then Higgins definitely is.
If not a 1st rounder then Richmond should keep Higgins and if he stills wants out next year then agree to facilitate a move to the club of his choosing.
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Callers to SEN:
Higgins worth an equivalent pick to the first rounder Richmond drafted him with. Has played 75% of possible games since he was drafted barring the brain injury.
If Caldwell is worth a 1st rounder then Higgins definitely is.
If not a 1st rounder then Richmond should keep Higgins and if he stills wants out next year then agree to facilitate a move to the club of his choosing.
I agree with this.
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I wonder whether Blair Hartley will channel Kevin Costner in Draft Day and call James Gallagher a Pancake Eating MUFU. I want my pick for Dan Butler back!!
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I'd like to see us get involved in some multi trade scenario and upgrade a pick/s
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Sam Edmund again on SEN:
Butler trade last year having an affect on the Higgins negotiations.
Both clubs see Higgins future upside as being huge.
Saints want to remain in the first round. They are refusing to give up a first round pick. So they either move along first round or bring in a third party.
Edmund repeated he expects the deal to involve 2nd round picks, future 2nd rounds picks as well as a swap of late picks similar to the Saad deal.
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AFL Exchange boys saying Saints should relent and offer first rounder for JH. Probably a future.
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With pending list reductions and a supposedly stronger draft that will hopefully feature players with exposed form (and likely a few quality left overs from this year who would've been picked up or draft bolters had they played), a future first would probably be ideal...would also give us currency if we decide to target a free agent - of which there will be a bumper crop next year.... :shh
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With pending list reductions and a supposedly stronger draft that will hopefully feature players with exposed form (and likely a few quality left overs from this year who would've been picked up or draft bolters had they played), a future first would probably be ideal...would also give us currency if we decide to target a free agent - of which there will be a bumper crop next year.... :shh
Agree. Reckon it would be nice if we could access a key forward in next year’s Free Agency
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I'd like to see us get involved in some multi trade scenario and upgrade a pick/s
Something like adding Lonie and the Dogs into the trade equation to upgrade to the Dogs' first rounder?
Tigers
In: Dogs' Pick 14 & Saints' future 2nd
Out: Higgins and Pick 21
Saints
In: Higgins & Dogs' pick 41
Out: Lonie & a future 2nd
Dogs
In: Pick 21 & Lonie
Out: Pick 14 & Pick 41
Throw in late pick swaps as well if need be.
Thoughts?
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Looks like we have to wait until after 3 pm tomorrow to get this done.
Just keep him, honor his contract.
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If Higgins wants to go it seems to be a fair trade
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Tigers have not accepted Saints' offer for Higgins
By Jake Niall
St Kilda have offered a future second-round pick for Richmond's Jack Higgins.
As yet, Richmond have not accepted, according to sources familiar with the situation.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-trade-period-live-day-six-20201110-p56dbb.html
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Looks like we have to wait until after 3 pm tomorrow to get this done.
Just keep him, honor his contract.
Club are prepared to honour his contract
They didn't shop him around, he has asked for a trade, he wants to leave.
If he wants to go then get a deal done that favours us.
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That's good.
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https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper/status/1326395712259633152
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Yeah that's still shyte...luckily that account is a noted troll... :shh
Wasn't Hind on Essendon's VFL list before the Aints drafted him? :shh :shh
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Deal to be done tomorrow. Tigers & Saints edging closer together.
- Tom Browne on 7news.
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Just keep him, no need to take unders, we already given St Kilda a player for almost nothing
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I get people saying just keep him because of not wanting unders
But the fact is he has asked to be traded. Which means right now he doesn't want it be part of our Club.
Cannot see the point of keeping him if that's how he feels.
My view from the get go, was he was worth a 2nd rounder. Yes he was a late first rounder 3 years ago but that doesn't necessarily mean he is worth a 1st rounder now.
I think it is in the Club's best interest to get the deal done and back our recruiters in to bring in the talent to replace him
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No issue with Jack leaving if this is what he wants...see ya!
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he wants out let him go.
For me he chose the easy way out instead of staying, working your arse off to get in the team. Graham is a perfect example. he was on the outer at one stage but worked hard and he is back, bigger than ever
Goodbye, Mr Higgins Adieu. Aufwiedersehen. Gesundheit. Farewell.
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He is contracted , so why can’t he can honour his contact? Why does a players wants over ride the best interest of the club.
To give a player away for unders sends the wrong message to the other clubs and to the players, st Kilda has well and truly got the message we are easy to roll over.
He is just a boy who would struggle to make decisions with his head , give him 12 months with a pre season, who to say he won’t change his mind after a sook up for missing finals.
He is 21with 75 games so his up side is big imho as he has good potential as a midfielder .
Thank goodness our options are irrelevant to the recruiters who don’t seem to waste so many picks these days.
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Jack Higgins
St Kilda is adamant it is not parting with its first-round pick (currently No.17) or next year's first selection to land the contracted Tiger. But Richmond has knocked back the Saints' offer of a future second-round pick. On Wednesday afternoon it appeared destined that the Saints were willing to up their offer to more than a future second-round pick, which would likely include a future third-round selection given St Kilda's hand at this year's draft is thin.
– Mitch Cleary
https://www.afl.com.au/news/524167/inside-trading-the-15-deals-that-will-shape-deadline-day
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Richmond and St Kilda are still at loggerheads over Tiger Jack Higgins, with Richmond seeking an exchange of this year's first round picks, plus St Kilda's future second. St Kilda holds pick 17 compared to Richmond's pick 21 in this year's first round. The Saints have offered only the future second pick.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/big-name-trades-go-down-to-the-wire-on-frantic-final-day-20201111-p56dpj.html
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Saints can jam JH where the sun don’t shine. F them I say
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he wants out let him go.
For me he chose the easy way out instead of staying, working your arse off to get in the team. Graham is a perfect example. he was on the outer at one stage but worked hard and he is back, bigger than ever
Goodbye, Mr Higgins Adieu. Aufwiedersehen. Gesundheit. Farewell.
This is what gets me the most. That and I suppose he grew up a Saints boy but for a guy that supposedly works so hard I think it's weak know that he is close to the 22, clearly has ability, but has decided to take the easy way out.
Still worth a first rounder I think. How many from the 2017 draft have played 43 games despite brain surgery, in the best team in the league?
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I've said this from the outset and this is a big test for us.
1st rounder or he stays and we back ourselves in with our culture and he backs himself in to play more games and win a flag.
We must not be the club who relents on this.
The Saints only power here is that they wait a year and a lot can change in that time.
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Another move under discussion involves Jack Higgins, the contracted Tiger who has requested a trade to St Kilda wanting more midfield opportunities.
Cleary suggested one aspect of the deal could see the two sides exchange their first-round selections, currently picks No. 17 (Saints) and 21 (Tigers).
"There was enough confidence last night around this one (to suggest it will get done)," he said.
https://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
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Matt Rendell on SEN just mentioned he believes it will be a swap of first rounders, a future 2nd rounder and maybe Richmond throws a late pick the other way to St Kilda.
Said the swap of first rounders might not sound that much given it's only 4 spots the difference but is very important. Richmond would kick themselves if St Kilda end up selecting the player in the draft the Tigers want before them at 17. Rendell brought up that Collingwood had wanted to draft Shai Bolton at pick 30 in his draft year but we (Richmond) got him with the pick before them ;D.
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Deal done.
Swap of first rounders.
We get the Saints' future 2nd.
Saints get our future 4th.
- SEN
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If this is the deal we've failed miserably. Well done to saints must be said.
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Good deal. I disagree, moving up the first round is worth more than people think.
At a guess, Saints are probably 6-10 next year so we will get something high 20’s to low 30’s next year.
Next year’s draft will be a much better steer on talent than this year
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If this is the deal we've failed miserably. Well done to saints must be said.
WHAT A HORRIBLE DEAL!
HE wants to leave and we give St Kilda a few spots below?
So basically we are now 4-5 spots above.
Big deal.
St Kilda a winner out of this.
and a future 2nd round - what 40-50 in 2021?
Bad deal.
Should’ve been 1R pick and that’s all.
Why are clubs being nice and Essendon playing hard ball?
Saad Pick 8? Is he an AA and B&F winner? what 3rd this year?
B Ellis was 2nd one year, where is our Pick 8?
Disappointing.
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Confirmed. Gone through the AFL tradehouse officially.
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:lol
Good luck Jack. All the best.
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Confirmed by RFC
we get pick 17 this years draft and future 2nd rounder (2021)
Saints get Higgins, pick 21 and future 4th rounder
It's a win
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If this is the deal we've failed miserably. Well done to saints must be said.
Why?
Everyone wanted pick 17, which we got = TICK
and we get a future 2nd rounder which means we have two 2nd rounders next year = TICK
What exactly did you want
Just pick 17? Was never going to happen.
We've jumped up in the draft order which is a win
Reckon we've done well here, getting a first rounder for him is win a big win
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A fair deal ( not good , not bad)Equates to a late first round or early second round , The saints only wanted to give a future second
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Premiers problems...the footy equivalent of "first world problems"... :shh
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The kid wanted to go so be it.We supported him through his illness and instead of buckling down work harder breake in our best 22 took the easy and weake option for me must have had little believe he could.
Moved up 4 picks and gained saints second rd 2021 I'm not convinced saints will do as well as this season to.
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Equivalent 669 points which works out to around pick 28-29 in value.
I think somewhat unders but I'm happy to see him go. I don't think he had a big future with us. Yes maybe a chance to improve and some upside but I don't think he will ever be a true gun.
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“It’s amazing to join the Saints next year and I really can’t wait to get started,” Higgins said.
“I grew up barracking for the Saints, so it really is a dream come true to represent the club.
“I’m really keen to meet my new teammates and be part of the Saints moving forward, because they’re definitely heading somewhere pretty special.”
https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-trades/afl-trades-2020-richmonds-jack-higgins-joins-his-childhood-dream-team-st-kilda-ng-b881719882z
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Whereas B.Ellis, Townsend, Miles, etc ... all left with our supporters' understanding and even blessing, I've got a feeling Higgins will be the first ex-Tiger since 2017 to walk out and go to another club that will be booed heavily by the Tiger Army when crowds return. Could have done a Kmac and worked his way back into the senior side next year but instead has taken off especially after the Club supported him through the past couple of years. Not the RFC's fault either there was no VFL this year so our fringe players could find form and press their case with game-time in the ressies.
The trade itself is neither good nor bad. About a late 20s pick in terms of points which is at the bottom end of his worth. Up to our recruiters now to turn it into a good deal.
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Never understood booing ex players. Waste of energy most of the time.
I'm glad Richard Tambling never played against us at the G. Would have made Goodesgate look like nothing
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https://twitter.com/AFL/status/1326784400487567360
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Saints won this one. Lucky we've won 3/4 premierships.
17 & 21 would have been nice. Lets hope saints bomb next year but can't see it.
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poo deal IMO.
I was happy for Higgins to leave but now I feel a bit ripped off and that feeling at present is towards Jack.
Higgins is a 10 year player IMO, not elite but definitely has upside from where he is now.
He is a better player than Buttler and will show it.
If i didn’t already hate St.Kilda, I do now.
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I think we copped it up the bum.a bit. But maybe it will lead to good karma in future years between st Kilda and richmond
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Good luck to him but he is now yesterday's news and forgotten. Not the worst result :shh
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I think we copped it up the bum.a bit. But maybe it will lead to good karma in future years between st Kilda and richmond
He was depth for us. Doesn’t suit our game and his decision making and disposal was way off
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Higgins' manager on SEN said Hardwick and Blair Hartley spoke to and wanted Jack to stay but they knew they couldn't keep them all. Higgins left with their best wishes.
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I like Higgins, he is a good footballer and a bit of a character, half his luck. Would of liked to see him play on with us.
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One in one out.
Good luck to Jack.
Good average player.
Kicking is average at best.
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I always thought he was more a small forward than a midfielder and struggled when he was put in the midfield. Good luck to him. Need to draft carefully.
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Well I think he owed it to us to stay, just shows the character of Jack Ross who is coming along very nicely, also look at Shai, he has been very patient, has done the hard yards and look at him now.
Hopefully RCD as well, but time will tell.
Still good luck to him.
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Was hardly a star .
Depth player only .
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Reckon he threw that ball when he kicked goal of the year....
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Reckon he threw that ball when he kicked goal of the year....
:lol :rollin
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Missing two flags spurs new Saint Jack Higgins
Anthony Colangelo
The Age
November 15, 2020
St Kilda recruit Jack Higgins will use the drive he's accumulated from missing two Richmond premierships to propel his career forward at the Saints.
The Saints gave Richmond pick 17 and a future second-round selection for Higgins in last week's trade period, with the Tigers sending pick 21 and a future fourth-round selection to St Kilda with the player.
The 21-year-old Higgins told reporters on Sunday that missing the 2019 and 2020 premierships – the first due to injury and the second due to form – had motivated him even more to succeed with St Kilda.
"It has driven me a bit," Higgins said. "Obviously I have watched two grand finals … this year I didn't get picked. I want to play in a grand final and get some consistent games.
"They have some really young players like Hunter Clark … so hopefully I can be in that group and be together as a team for 10 years."
Higgins sat out the latter part of 2019 because of a bleed on the brain. He was born with a condition that meant some blood vessels in his head are prone to bleeding.
He had brain surgery in September of that year and returned to the field in round two, 2020.
He then missed rounds 10-15 in 2020, and did not play again after round 15 despite being fit, missing the grand final win over Geelong.
"I had a bit of a delayed pre-season coming into it, didn't start contact until February but that's not an excuse, I was fit and healthy, just didn't get picked," he said.
Higgins supported St Kilda as a child and said it was a bit of a fairytale to be playing for them, especially after such a serious injury.
"I feel having all the health issues, that's all behind me now, starting afresh and I feel like a new draftee. I feel like I haven't played an AFL game and I just want to get stuck into it," he said.
Higgins personally called former coach Damien Hardwick to tell him he was seeking a trade to the Saints.
"I gave him a call, I think he was in New South Wales driving his car so it was really hard to hear him but I just said 'I really want to explore a trade, don't take any offence, you're a ripper bloke and a coach but I just want to explore my options.'
"Not really [nervous about the call]. He is a pretty laid-back guy 'Dimma', when you know him.
"He didn't try to talk me out of it. [He said] 'whatever is best for you' so he was pretty understanding.
"I am pretty wrapt to be here, being a huge Saints fan when I was younger. I always dreamt of myself being a Saints player back in the day so to be here now, I feel a massive fan of the club still.
"I would [have] liked to stay at Richmond but I thought there would be more opportunity and like I said I could see [how good] St Kilda's list here at the moment is and I thought it was a good opportunity to jump on board."
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/missing-two-flags-spurs-new-saint-jack-higgins-20201115-p56epa.html
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Saints jumper doesn't suit him.
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Saw him on Ch7 news tonight
Just found myself doing this :facepalm
Think it is for the best he is gone.
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Saw him on Ch7 news tonight
Just found myself doing this :facepalm
Think it is for the best he is gone.
More low IQ interviews?
Agreed I found them cringe worthy.
Commentators used to just have a giggle at his simpleness but likeable + youthful enthusiasm.
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I went to a function with my at the time 9yo daughter
The speakers were Jack Riewoldt and Jack Higgins .. Bianca was a huge Jack R fan , most kids are Dusty etc , well Bianca was Jack R
The two guys were alone at one stage and I took Bianca over to meet her idol
“Gday Jack, this is Bianca. You’re her favourite player and she’s so excited to meet you”
Reply - “Good choice Bianca” ... Jack proceeds to walk off .. it was a 0/10 and pathetic
Jack H is standing there and watched it all unfold and saw Bianca was upset. He proceeded to get down on a knee, have a chat and joke, rustle her hair and give her a high five. Shook her hand when going etc.
He was MAGNIFICENT. It was that boyish cringeworthy stuff at its natural best. Just awesome.
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I went to a function with my at the time 9yo daughter
The speakers were Jack Riewoldt and Jack Higgins .. Bianca was a huge Jack R fan , most kids are Dusty etc , well Bianca was Jack R
The two guys were alone at one stage and I took Bianca over to meet her idol
“Gday Jack, this is Bianca. You’re her favourite player and she’s so excited to meet you”
Reply - “Good choice Bianca” ... Jack proceeds to walk off .. it was a 0/10 and pathetic
Jack H is standing there and watched it all unfold and saw Bianca was upset. He proceeded to get down on a knee, have a chat and joke, rustle her hair and give her a high five. Shook her hand when going etc.
He was MAGNIFICENT. It was that boyish cringeworthy stuff at its natural best. Just awesome.
Wowsers what a damned shame to hear that about JR. Stuff like that can crush a child.
It's one of the things I always loved about Richo who was my childhood idol. Was always so sweet and had some time. Although I met him when I was about 23 and could hardly speak I was so star struck haha.
Great story about Higgins and good on him. Hope it made Bianca's day.
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Jack R has alway struggled at functions, you can tell he hates them. He argues with me before I say hello-
No excuses to treat a kid poorly but don’t take it personally as I reckon his head struggles with functions
I was disappointed to see Jack Higgins go as I reckon he had a lot to offer on and off the ground
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Deledio also had no time for supporters. Anything that involved his time without payment was beneath him.
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Deledio also had no time for supporters. Anything that involved his time without payment was beneath him.
Yeah well known as a DH. I was a bit shattered when I found that out.
Reckon there are plenty of blokes who would be genuine legends though. Namely guys like Grigg, Houli, Astbury, Edwards.
Tuck back in the day :(
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Bianca presented Grigg with his jumper when all the kids give out the jumpers and he was fantastic .. was the pick of the bunch and she still wears a signed jumper with “6” on the back
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Grigga came and took training a few years ago and one of my kids under 10’a footy sessions. Agree, he’s a cracker, wish we could get him back from the Cats as he would be perfect to replace Fly
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Deledio also had no time for supporters. Anything that involved his time without payment was beneath him.
Yeah well known as a DH. I was a bit shattered when I found that out.
Reckon there are plenty of blokes who would be genuine legends though. Namely guys like Grigg, Houli, Astbury, Edwards.
Tuck back in the day :(
The vast majority of our guys are rippers. I've seen Astbury having kick to kicks with the little ones during the breaks in the VFL. Lambo, Cotch, Prestia, Vlossy even Rance were all great with the requests for photos etc from what I saw. Riewoldt and Deledio the only recent example of tools.
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Jack Higgins (two goals) looked sharp across half-forward in his first outing as a Saint ...
... and former Tiger Connor Menadue had little impact.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/552897/ex-roo-helps-saints-crush-kangas-former-tiger-dazzles
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Higgins had 24 disposals and kicked 1.3 tonight.
Butler also kicked a goal but was fairly quiet.
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Cost the Saints the game with 1.6 missing several sitters from set shots including one from 35 out straight in front with 1min to go.
Played very well but his kicking is ordinary. Lacking confidence.
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Felt sorry for him today.
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actually if it wasnt for him they wouldnt have even got close.
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Cost the Saints the game with 1.6 missing several sitters from set shots including one from 35 out straight in front with 1min to go.
Played very well but his kicking is ordinary. Lacking confidence.
No wonder we got rid of him, we got Castanga for that
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I don't know why people are surprised
His set shot goal kicking has always been average at best
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Why are we talking about this bloke? Has never been able to hit the side of a barn :shh they can have him :lol
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He was up there as the Saints' best player again tonight but once again he missed another chance in the last quarter to kill off and win the game.
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Confirmed by RFC
we get pick 17 this years draft and future 2nd rounder (2021)
Saints get Higgins, pick 21 and future 4th rounder
It's a win
That 2nd rounder is currently pick 24. Thanks Saints :thumbsup.
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Thats not a bad pick at all lol.
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Saints are being run by a bunch of goons. Ratten will be gonski in a year. Thinks they are finals material now, fool he is.
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Jack is a dog for leaving us and deserves the saints. I am hoping some of our other currently listed players are watching Brando, Butts and Higgo while thinking carefully about their next move
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Yeah doubt any of them will be nominating St.Kilda... :shh
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David King believes Saints gun Jack Higgins was dropped for the team’s crucial clash with Sydney because too often “Jack plays on Jack’s terms.”
St Kilda omitted Higgins, who’s the club’s second leading goalkicking this season with 19 majors, in a bold selection statement after its shock 35-point loss to Essendon last week.
It comes after Higgins was touted as an All-Australian contender earlier this season with 14 goals through the opening six rounds, while he’s since kicked five majors from as many games.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/st-kilda-saints/afl-2022-st-kilda-saints-drop-jack-higgins-clash-with-sydney-swans-reactions-brett-ratten-press-conference-comments-loss-to-essendon-bombers-jack-steele-return/news-story/9a8a74bdc55eaa24fd94f311b6f0cda9
Well Higgins walked out on us on his terms so some may say no real surprise.
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I can't remember the reasons but we possibly should've kept him.
Anyone remember why he left?
Was it money or was it Dimma?
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I can't remember the reasons but we possibly should've kept him.
Anyone remember why he left?
Was it money or was it Dimma?
We supported him through his brain surgery and he fuct off for money and senior games. Piece of shyte
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I can't remember the reasons but we possibly should've kept him.
Anyone remember why he left?
Was it money or was it Dimma?
We supported him through his brain surgery and he fuct off for money and senior games. Piece of shyte
Some players just feel entitled.
If he was loyal and patient he'd be getting regular games in the seniors but I think he just couldn't handle not getting regular games in a Premiership dynasty team. :facepalm
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I can't remember the reasons but we possibly should've kept him.
Anyone remember why he left?
Was it money or was it Dimma?
We supported him through his brain surgery and he fuct off for money and senior games. Piece of shyte
Some players just feel entitled.
If he was loyal and patient he'd be getting regular games in the seniors but I think he just couldn't handle not getting regular games in a Premiership dynasty team. :facepalm
There was another rumour as to why
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Good player, still go a bit of a ways to go in some areas.
No issue with him leaving. Was an early pick who showed potential. Richmond don't deserve recognition for not delisting him when he was crook.
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Yes we do. He’s a stuffing twirp
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He just wanted to play for the saints who he supports
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He wanted out because he couldn't understand why he didn't get a gig in the 2020 GF - that's what he said after he got his trade wish. "Entitled" is really good word
Also as he tells it he always wanted to play for Saints
End of the day he wanted out, didn't want to be part of our Club, he got we wanted.
There was another rumour as to why
And the rumour doesn't get posted or discussed on the forum
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Yes we do. He’s a stuffing twirp
No we don't. He played for us, played decent footy. He left, we got compensated.
"Sticking with him through his brain injury". What were they gonna do, fire him immediately? :lol
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Yes we do. He’s a stuffing twirp
No we don't. He played for us, played decent footy. He left, we got compensated.
"Sticking with him through his brain injury". What were they gonna do, fire him immediately? :lol
Club did alot more for him with his brain illness/injury than just keeping him on the list, a helluva lot more
They looked after him, supported not only him but his family.
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Yes we do. He’s a stuffing twirp
No we don't. He played for us, played decent footy. He left, we got compensated.
"Sticking with him through his brain injury". What were they gonna do, fire him immediately? :lol
Club did alot more for him with his brain illness/injury than just keeping him on the list, a helluva lot more
They looked after him, supported not only him but his family.
I like him because of how well he treated my daughter. Went above and beyond.
Thanks Jack for being a bloody good bloke to us and what you did.
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I like him because of how well he treated my daughter. Went above and beyond.
Thanks Jack for being a bloody good bloke to us and what you did.
I appreciate what the bloke did for your daughter Damo, wish more players did it. Great effort by young Jack
But He lost me when he sooked it up about not playing seniors for most of 2020 when in his world he (and his family for that matter) believed he should have, especially the GF. As I said the Club did alot for him and his family after his 2 brain surgeries and he's never really acknowledged that, seemed it got forgotten by young Jack. Throw in his comments after he got traded and I lost respect and I wasn't sorry to see him go
Similar to the respect I lost for the gang of 4 who walked out on our Club at the end of 2023
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I like him because of how well he treated my daughter. Went above and beyond.
Thanks Jack for being a bloody good bloke to us and what you did.
I appreciate what the bloke did for your daughter Damo, wish more players did it. Great effort by young Jack
But He lost me when he sooked it up about not playing seniors for most of 2020 when in his world he (and his family for that matter) believed he should have, especially the GF. As I said the Club did alot for him and his family after his 2 brain surgeries and he's never really acknowledged that, seemed it got forgotten by young Jack. Throw in his comments after he got traded and I lost respect and I wasn't sorry to see him go
Similar to the respect I lost for the gang of 4 who walked out on our Club at the end of 2023
Cheers WP
Understand all that and your comments are entirely fair