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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tigersalive on August 15, 2007, 11:12:32 AM
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TR Mate who are some players to watch at the Burgers?
NC My apprentice Andrew Horne is coming along nicely and everyone should keep a lookout for the big cat Jarred Sylvester running around Telstra Dome next year.
http://coburgtigers.footballvic.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&aid=124741
Nick Carnell seems pretty confident about Sylvester being picked up. :shh
But "telstra dome," not at Tiges MCG.
Am I reading too much into it? :scream
I'm sure he just got mixed up with the Tiges home ground. ;)
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Wasn't there talk that the Bombers were interested in him too?
There should be a rule that the AFL club connected to their affiliate gets first crack at their players.
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Wasn't there talk that the Bombers were interested in him too?
There should be a rule that the AFL club connected to their affiliate gets first crack at their players.
I agree :thumbsup otherwise what is the point :banghead
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Wasn't there talk that the Bombers were interested in him too?
There should be a rule that the AFL club connected to their affiliate gets first crack at their players.
Yes my mail is there are 4 clubs interested in the Big Cat :shh
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Wasn't there talk that the Bombers were interested in him too?
There should be a rule that the AFL club connected to their affiliate gets first crack at their players.
Yes my mail is there are 4 clubs interested in the Big Cat :shh
National or Rookie Draft WP?
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Wasn't there talk that the Bombers were interested in him too?
There should be a rule that the AFL club connected to their affiliate gets first crack at their players.
Yes my mail is there are 4 clubs interested in the Big Cat :shh
National or Rookie Draft WP?
They all probably would like to take him as a rookie but given this draft lacks depth IMO we'd have to use a National draft pick if we want him. I guess the only advantage we have is our pick in each round is before the other 3 clubs interested but that's no guarantee either.
4 clubs eh WP? Richmond, Essendon, Melbourne? (need a full back), Carlton? (need KPPs)
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Wasn't there talk that the Bombers were interested in him too?
There should be a rule that the AFL club connected to their affiliate gets first crack at their players.
Yes my mail is there are 4 clubs interested in the Big Cat :shh
Affiliate players should come under a father-son type rule IMO
National or Rookie Draft WP?
They all probably would like to take him as a rookie but given this draft lacks depth IMO we'd have to use a National draft pick if we want him. I guess the only advantage we have is our pick in each round is before the other 3 clubs interested but that's no guarantee either.
4 clubs eh WP? Richmond, Essendon, Melbourne? (need a full back), Carlton? (need KPPs)
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4 clubs eh WP? Richmond, Essendon, Melbourne? (need a full back), Carlton? (need KPPs)
Chutney reckons you deserve a gold star MT - :thumbsup
National or Rookie Draft WP?
Depends on the club I reckon.
I would have thought orginally Rookie draft (as mature age one) but now I think some may look at him as a late pick in the National Draft for the reason MT mentioned. 22yo KPP with great skills and a footy brain
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4 clubs eh WP? Richmond, Essendon, Melbourne? (need a full back), Carlton? (need KPPs)
Chutney reckons you deserve a gold star MT - :thumbsup
Well tell them to bugger off lol :yep
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I wonder if there's value in the AFL introducing a preference system for drafting from affiliated VFL teams to encourage the VFL to retain good prospects and strengthen the links between AFL and VFL clubs. Perhaps some sort of bidding system similar to the father son rule. Probably won't happen though.
I love the way Coburg has become a home for the best youngsters that didn't get drafted and I love the way Richmond are prepared to reward those players with spots on the list. I'd hate to see us doing all this ground work only to lose good players to other sides.
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I wonder if there's value in the AFL introducing a preference system for drafting from affiliated VFL teams to encourage the VFL to retain good prospects and strengthen the links between AFL and VFL clubs. Perhaps some sort of bidding system similar to the father son rule. Probably won't happen though.
I love the way Coburg has become a home for the best youngsters that didn't get drafted and I love the way Richmond are prepared to reward those players with spots on the list. I'd hate to see us doing all this ground work only to lose good players to other sides.
Agree jezza and Mopsy about some sort of preference system. People forget Coburg FC almost became extinct before we came along.
We've also now got Calder Cannons affiliated with us and Coburg too so getting the best youngsters that aren't drafted should continue.
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We've also now got Calder Cannons affiliated with us and Coburg too so getting the best youngsters that aren't drafted should continue.
I think that at least 4 players who played for Vic Metro in last year's u/18 c'ships, and who didn't get drafted, are now playing for Coburg:
Horne
Anderson
Riddle
Vasilevski
It's also worth noting that Sylvester was in line to get rookie'd by us 2 years ago, training with us right up to the rookie draft day. They picked Humm instead.
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It's also worth noting that Sylvester was in line to get rookie'd by us 2 years ago, training with us right up to the rookie draft day. They picked Humm instead.
What a great decision that was :P
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I wonder if there's value in the AFL introducing a preference system for drafting from affiliated VFL teams to encourage the VFL to retain good prospects and strengthen the links between AFL and VFL clubs. Perhaps some sort of bidding system similar to the father son rule. Probably won't happen though.
I reckon this is a great idea jezza - but as you said I cannot see it happening. A question that always comes up is what happens to those stand alone teams?
But I think if it was a 4th round pick you had to give up then that owuld be pretty fair
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I wonder if there's value in the AFL introducing a preference system for drafting from affiliated VFL teams to encourage the VFL to retain good prospects and strengthen the links between AFL and VFL clubs. Perhaps some sort of bidding system similar to the father son rule. Probably won't happen though.
I reckon this is a great idea jezza - but as you said I cannot see it happening. A question that always comes up is what happens to those stand alone teams?
But I think if it was a 4th round pick you had to give up then that owuld be pretty fair
Just keep the rules the same as now for stand alone teams. Free for anyone to draft or rookie list.
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Whether it's Silvester or not we need to find a full back for the big lugs. The rest of our back 6 is developing nicely but until we find a strong tall full back we'll be exposed like Joel was tonight.
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Whether it's Silvester or not we need to find a full back for the big lugs. The rest of our back 6 is developing nicely but until we find a strong tall full back we'll be exposed like Joel was tonight.
yep we need a big FB ASAP, Rance or Henderson would be a dream :pray
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Silvester, Neville, Gazzo and Farrelly trained with Richmond on Tuesday. So we're interested at looking at the four of them as possible pick-ups.
Silvester was on SEN's VFL hour last night but I was told he didn't say anything about getting drafted.
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we all know about sylvester and neville, but gazzo and farrelly have been damn good players this yr, definately worth a look
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we all know about sylvester and neville, but gazzo and farrelly have been damn good players this yr, definately worth a look
Potential rookies? We'll have 3 rookie spots to fill if Gus, Kingy and Cam are promoted.
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Have heard another AFL club is looking at Gazzo too :shh
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Have heard another AFL club is looking at Gazzo too :shh
Looks a gun but very undersized WP when I was watching him.
Is that right? Whats his dimensions??
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Have heard another AFL club is looking at Gazzo too :shh
Looks a gun but very undersized WP when I was watching him.
Is that right? Whats his dimensions??
Joe Gazzo 07/11/88 174cm 76kg
Jarrod Silvester 31/01/85 191cm 89kg
Alister Neville 17/08/85 189cm 85kg
Micheal Farrelly 12/03/87 183cm 81kg
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So many at Coburg worth a look. Guys like Anderson and Robertson could be worth a punt, but based on their inability to hold down senior spots at Coburg through the year I reckon they will be given another year in the VFL to see what they can do before we look at picking them up.
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Have heard another AFL club is looking at Gazzo too :shh
Looks a gun but very undersized WP when I was watching him.
Is that right? Whats his dimensions??
Joe Gazzo 07/11/88 174cm 76kg
Jarrod Silvester 31/01/85 191cm 89kg
Alister Neville 17/08/85 189cm 85kg
Micheal Farrelly 12/03/87 183cm 81kg
:o he looks so much bigger than that
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So many at Coburg worth a look. Guys like Anderson and Robertson could be worth a punt, but based on their inability to hold down senior spots at Coburg through the year I reckon they will be given another year in the VFL to see what they can do before we look at picking them up.
sshhh :shh
keep him under wraps and snatch him in the rookie, this kid will be a very good player, should have been drafted last year IMO
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Do you think the RFC is now trying to hide some Coburg boys? No Silvester, Neville sparsely used, Gazzo in the ressies and Farrelly was unsighted today.
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Were definitely some games going on, but we won't be able to do that in the finals.
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Do you think the RFC is now trying to hide some Coburg boys? No Silvester, Neville spbehindly used, Gazzo in the ressies and Farrelly was unsighted today.
;D I think Mary Whitehouse has got her mits on the swear filter. Nasty word is sp@rsely. :lol
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;D I think Mary Whitehouse has got her mits on the swear filter. Nasty word is sp@rsely. :lol
:lol
ps. Guess who is showing his age ;). I only know Mary Whitehouse from Floyd lyrics about pigs lol
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Do you think the RFC is now trying to hide some Coburg boys? No Silvester, Neville spbehindly used, Gazzo in the ressies and Farrelly was unsighted today.
i was thinking the exact same thing mt
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Highly unlikely.
Coburg have a premiership to try and win.
Collo would tell them to go and get ........
Was a warm day yesterday so rotations would have been up.
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Highly unlikely.
Coburg have a premiership to try and win.
Collo would tell them to go and get ........
Was a warm day yesterday so rotations would have been up.
Collo had already agreed to play with a 3 man bench yesterday. Of course Jackson will be very useful to him in the finals.
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Sylvestor defintely injured yesterday
Neville copped a heavy hit early in the game.
Gazzo played in the ressies the week before
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agreed that witha a possible premiership on the line, Collins won't be hiding his gun VFL players regardless of how interested we are in them
Would love to drft Neville, even if it is on to our senior list
Gazzo i like how he moves and his finishing skills but a bit too small for my liking
Sylvester not bsolutey convinced but would throw a rookie spot at him
Anderson must be rookied by us at least, is AFL standard IMO
Horne is another I like
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Sylvestor defintely injured yesterday
Neville copped a heavy hit early in the game.
Gazzo played in the ressies the week before
Thanks WP. Hopefully Sylvester's injury isn't too bad and he's back for the finals. Riddle and Morton proved handy replacements in defence yesterday mind you.
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On the VFL hour tonight on SEN they repeated that there are many clubs sniffing around Silvester :-\.
They must be reading OER as they also brought up the idea of AFL Clubs getting first crack at drafting players from their affiliate club. Finey suggested it be open to all clubs to draft them in the National draft but if no club wants the player then the affiliate's AFL club gets first choice to rookie them.
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The guy on the VFL show stated the obvious and said Neville and Sylvester will be potential rookies. I can't see them lasting past the National draft especially Sylvester. They said the AFL probably won't bring in an affiliate drafting rule as the interstate clubs would complain and want first choice from their domestic comps.
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Watching the VFL finals so far I'd rather we pick up Silvester over Neville if it came down to a choice between the two. Not sure if Neville's skill level is good enough for an AFL midfield.
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Watching the VFL finals so far I'd rather we pick up Silvester over Neville if it came down to a choice between the two. Not sure if Neville's skill level is good enough for an AFL midfield.
Agree, the pressure of finals has really exposed Neville's disposal quality imo. :-\
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I dont think either are up to AFL level, i would rather us draft a kid.
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I thought he did alright for his first game back straight into a semi-final. Silvester would be for the 3-4 gorilla full-forwards still left in the game. A better option than wasting Joel to stand a Lynch. It shouldn't mean we don't draft a young KP defender too. Strong lists have back-up.
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Well both Neville and Silvester (after quarter time) put their hands up today to be picked up. Next week against the tall Geelong forwards will be Silvester's biggest test.
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sylvester was an absolute rock of solidity down back after quarter time. Ideal rookie-list candidate IMO
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sylvester was an absolute rock of solidity down back after quarter time. Ideal rookie-list candidate IMO
If he holds Hawkins quiet next week those other clubs will also want him :-\.
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sylvester was an absolute rock of solidity down back after quarter time. Ideal rookie-list candidate IMO
If he holds Hawkins quiet next week those other clubs will also want him :-\.
to borrow a line from futurama
'kief, we have a conundrum'
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Is it unlikely that he will be drafted in the National Draft?
If so then we will have first pick in the rookie draft also.
I do know that Wallace told him mid season that he would be drafted, will be interesting.
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Is it unlikely that he will be drafted in the National Draft?
If so then we will have first pick in the rookie draft also.
I do know that Wallace told him mid season that he would be drafted, will be interesting.
but to where lol
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It's a risk leaving him to the rookie draft as he needs to slip through both the National and Preseason drafts. Other clubs know we're interested in him so they'd also know if they leave Silvester to the rookie draft they won't get him.
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To be honest I doubt that he would last to the rookie draft
Seeing there are so many other clubs who are in need of ready made defenders
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He (Andy Collins) has cultivated midfielder Alister Neville and defender Jarrod Silvester, calling on AFL clubs to rookie list them next season.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,22462992%255E19771,00.html
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too slow, skills are crap, would rather of kept gasper.
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You wouldn't pick up any Coburg player based on today.
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gazzo tried hard but seriously, neville and sylvester should not be considered. better kids around than them to rookie. they are old and chokers
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gazzo tried hard but seriously, neville and sylvester should not be considered. better kids around than them to rookie. they are old and chokers
They were poor on the weekend but they aren't old. Around 22 y.o.
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gazzo tried hard but seriously, neville and sylvester should not be considered. better kids around than them to rookie. they are old and chokers
They were poor on the weekend but they aren't old. Around 22 y.o.
i know they ar enot "old" but too old to rookie. better try our luck with more promising kids . kingy was an older rookie but he dosnt give up or choke,. gazzo or caruso bros are better options to rookie
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Sylvestor like most of the Coburg players didn't have a great day (although I thought Ronaldson was very good)
One game is not going to decide if he gets drafted. One would hope that recruiters (whether that's RFC or any other club) would judge him on his entire year ::)
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gazzo is one smart cookie isn't he, shame he is so damn tiny.
favourite moment of play from him was when he was running forward, immediately stopped and popper a lovely past to logan hill. showed great awareness and skill
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Do people think we'll still draft a Coburg player like Sylvester or Neville in the National Draft or will we wait until the rookie draft?
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dont think either of them are good enough for afl level
pass on both
the caruso boys and gazzo are much better players than sylvester and neville
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Caruso boys arent that much chop X, Nat was lucky to be back in the team for finals.
Neither of them will make it at AFL either.
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Caruso boys arent that much chop X, Nat was lucky to be back in the team for finals.
Neither of them will make it at AFL either.
caruso boys are better than the others that were mentioned and nat was far better in the finals than neville and sylvester, well he was shocking in the finals.
nat fort and joe were our better players over the final series
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aflinsider.net's phantom draft has Silvester going around pick 67 which is our pick if we were to pass on the PSD or delist another player.
http://www.aflinsider.net/afl-mock-draft-2007-pick-67-richmond/
Someone on BF thought they saw him down at Punt Rd today.
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Burgatron has the Kangas interested in Silvester at either pick 62 or 72 :-\. Hopefully he slips through to the rookie draft for us to pick up.
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Do you think Rance slipping to 18 spells the end of Sylvester playing for the tiges? Do you think we may still rookie him?
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Do you think Rance slipping to 18 spells the end of Sylvester playing for the tiges? Do you think we may still rookie him?
The more talls the merrier IMO. Rance is young so having a ready-made key defender still makes sense and as a rookie he'd also be back-up in case anything happens to Thursty (touchwood let's hope not).
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Round 2
17 J Silvester Richmond Coburg
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happy with this selection, adds another tall who can hold down a key defensive post, also relatively young 21/22 isn't he. he provides us with depth and gives Rance a greater opportunity to develop his body before being thrown straight into the seniors
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Welcome Jarred Silvester
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We are suddenly well stocked for young KPPs at the club after going so long being too light on. Previously the pressure and expectations on our young talls has been too much, simply because we didn't have the depth so we absolutely needed them to succeed. Now we are finally being smart about it and adding depth so that there's competition for spots and if a bloke doesn't make it we're not dead in the water.
Silvestor adds that immediate competition for spots, keeping the pressure on Thursty and McGuane. With no Gaspar, Kellaway or Hall, we needed to ensure that we have enough options available to play in defence so that players didn't take their spot for granted.
Also continuing the good form of selecting a player from Coburg each draft. We are already seeing the results with a lot of talented kids coming to the Burgers now as they see a clear path to the AFL.
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Happy we picked up the big cat.
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We are suddenly well stocked for young KPPs at the club after going so long being too light on. Previously the pressure and expectations on our young talls has been too much, simply because we didn't have the depth so we absolutely needed them to succeed. Now we are finally being smart about it and adding depth so that there's competition for spots and if a bloke doesn't make it we're not dead in the water.
Silvestor adds that immediate competition for spots, keeping the pressure on Thursty and McGuane. With no Gaspar, Kellaway or Hall, we needed to ensure that we have enough options available to play in defence so that players didn't take their spot for granted.
Also continuing the good form of selecting a player from Coburg each draft. We are already seeing the results with a lot of talented kids coming to the Burgers now as they see a clear path to the AFL.
agree jez, who knows maybe this was exactly what was planned. Everyone thought the Hawkers way of buliding around the spine was the way to go and booed us for building around a midfield.
jury is still out but i think our midfield is gonna be an absolute corker in 2011 add a versatile unpredictable forwardline post richo and things look fantastic.
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Good post jezza and spot on I'd think.
Also good to see the Coburg partnership continuing. Hopefully we get another Jake out of Jarred.
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Also continuing the good form of selecting a player from Coburg each draft. We are already seeing the results with a lot of talented kids coming to the Burgers now as they see a clear path to the AFL.
ditto :thumbsup
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We are suddenly well stocked for young KPPs at the club after going so long being too light on. Previously the pressure and expectations on our young talls has been too much, simply because we didn't have the depth so we absolutely needed them to succeed. Now we are finally being smart about it and adding depth so that there's competition for spots and if a bloke doesn't make it we're not dead in the water.
Silvestor adds that immediate competition for spots, keeping the pressure on Thursty and McGuane. With no Gaspar, Kellaway or Hall, we needed to ensure that we have enough options available to play in defence so that players didn't take their spot for granted.
Also continuing the good form of selecting a player from Coburg each draft. We are already seeing the results with a lot of talented kids coming to the Burgers now as they see a clear path to the AFL.
agree jez, who knows maybe this was exactly what was planned. Everyone thought the Hawkers way of buliding around the spine was the way to go and booed us for building around a midfield.
jury is still out but i think our midfield is gonna be an absolute corker in 2011 add a versatile unpredictable forwardline post richo and things look fantastic.
our midfield is certainly starting to get more skill and run but imo we are another inside mid short before calling it a "corker"
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We are suddenly well stocked for young KPPs at the club after going so long being too light on. Previously the pressure and expectations on our young talls has been too much, simply because we didn't have the depth so we absolutely needed them to succeed. Now we are finally being smart about it and adding depth so that there's competition for spots and if a bloke doesn't make it we're not dead in the water.
Silvestor adds that immediate competition for spots, keeping the pressure on Thursty and McGuane. With no Gaspar, Kellaway or Hall, we needed to ensure that we have enough options available to play in defence so that players didn't take their spot for granted.
Also continuing the good form of selecting a player from Coburg each draft. We are already seeing the results with a lot of talented kids coming to the Burgers now as they see a clear path to the AFL.
agree jez, who knows maybe this was exactly what was planned. Everyone thought the Hawkers way of buliding around the spine was the way to go and booed us for building around a midfield.
jury is still out but i think our midfield is gonna be an absolute corker in 2011 add a versatile unpredictable forwardline post richo and things look fantastic.
our midfield is certainly starting to get more skill and run but imo we are another inside mid short before calling it a "corker"
while having more inside mids would be nice, i think people are underestimating the talent we have coming through. Foley, Connors, Tambling, Polo and Collins is one i think will sneak under the radar. Things are looking bright :gotigers
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We are suddenly well stocked for young KPPs at the club after going so long being too light on. Previously the pressure and expectations on our young talls has been too much, simply because we didn't have the depth so we absolutely needed them to succeed. Now we are finally being smart about it and adding depth so that there's competition for spots and if a bloke doesn't make it we're not dead in the water.
Silvestor adds that immediate competition for spots, keeping the pressure on Thursty and McGuane. With no Gaspar, Kellaway or Hall, we needed to ensure that we have enough options available to play in defence so that players didn't take their spot for granted.
Also continuing the good form of selecting a player from Coburg each draft. We are already seeing the results with a lot of talented kids coming to the Burgers now as they see a clear path to the AFL.
agree jez, who knows maybe this was exactly what was planned. Everyone thought the Hawkers way of buliding around the spine was the way to go and booed us for building around a midfield.
jury is still out but i think our midfield is gonna be an absolute corker in 2011 add a versatile unpredictable forwardline post richo and things look fantastic.
Whichever way you draft, the main thing for us is to balance the list so in future we are no longer hamstrung with our draft choices trying to fill urgent gaps. We got lucky this year that the best player available at each pick just so happened to coincide with the type of player we needed.
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Very happy with this selection ;) ;D
Big Cat could be long term great pick up
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WP,
Agree totally. The Big Cat may be the pick of this rookie draft.
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WP,
Agree totally. The Big Cat may be the pick of this rookie draft.
you obviously haven't seen CC in action yet have you ;) :shh
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From RFC email:
JARROD SILVESTER: Rookie Draft pick No.17
Recruited from: Coburg Tigers
Born: 31/1/85
Height: 191cm
Weight: 89kg
Had an outstanding year at Coburg, which was reflected in his second placing in the club's Best and
Fairest. Took the VFL's best spearheads on and was rarely beaten in one-on-one contests. His physical strength and movement skills enable him to play on a variety of opponents. He kept two of the competition's best full-forwards in Nick Sautner (69 goals for the season) and James Podsiadly, goalless, in vital performances for Coburg during the season. Was rewarded for his fine overall efforts with selection in the VFL's Team of the Year.
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ok Silvester was put on our list as a backup to our defence
Thursfield is injured so you would surely think he would be given the chance to play against Melbourne
If we dont play him then comes the question why did we ever draft him in the first place.
Have our recruiters again made the mistake & wasted another draft pick like we did with Kingsley, Patrick Bowden & Trent Knobel with drafting Silvester
is this another setback to drafting a young prospect untried
whats everyones honest opinion on this l think Silverster should come in against Melbourne
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Well I think his form at VFL level has been good but we have seen the differnece in the level with some of our other players coming back up and failing (Yes mr Tiv I am looking at you). Think he was drafted as rookie so we would have to put somebody on long term Injured list. I dont know what this means but from what I read Thursty is only going to be one or two weeks so he probably wont go on to long term injury list. He there is probably not a option then.
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ok Silvester was put on our list as a backup to our defence
Thursfield is injured so you would surely think he would be given the chance to play against Melbourne
If we dont play him then comes the question why did we ever draft him in the first place.
Have our recruiters again made the mistake & wasted another draft pick like we did with Kingsley, Patrick Bowden & Trent Knobel with drafting Silvester
is this another setback to drafting a young prospect untried
whats everyones honest opinion on this l think Silverster should come in against Melbourne
Good thought TM but we dont have anyone on the Long Term injury list to elevate Sylvester from the rookie list so he can play AFL. So no he wont be playing next week even if we wanted him to, to try him out.
So while its a good idea, it's not possible at the moment unless someone comes down with an 8+ week injury.
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;D these rookie listed players, someone needs to go down take a dive for the future of the club this year
Coughlan, Johnson, should take a fall, Johnson wont be at Richmond next year & while Cogs will be he should go on the long term injury list cause he wont be any good this year & wont play a senior game anyway
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;D these rookie listed players, someone needs to go down take a dive for the future of the club this year
Coughlan, Johnson, should take a fall, Johnson wont be at Richmond next year & while Cogs will be he should go on the long term injury list cause he wont be any good this year & wont play a senior game anyway
Thanks for the laugh with your first line TM. :lol
One thing re: Johnson, anyone who says we didn't miss him and don't need him is seriously misguided about his value in the middle and to the team in general. We sorely missed him yesterday. He may not be part of our future but he is crucial to our present.
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Not a fan of the big cat at AFL level. A good VFL player but I cant see him making a successful transition at our club.
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Not a fan of the big cat at AFL level. A good VFL player but I cant see him making a successful transition at our club.
I get that feeling too but we wont know for sure unless we give him a go, so if we get the opportunity we might as well. ..
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Id rather we give Rance a go next week against Melbourne and move Gourdis up to Coburg seniors and play him on a wing and at times down back.
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;D these rookie listed players, someone needs to go down take a dive for the future of the club this year
Coughlan, Johnson, should take a fall, Johnson wont be at Richmond next year & while Cogs will be he should go on the long term injury list cause he wont be any good this year & wont play a senior game anyway
Thanks for the laugh with your first line TM. :lol
One thing re: Johnson, anyone who says we didn't miss him and don't need him is seriously misguided about his value in the middle and to the team in general. We sorely missed him yesterday. He may not be part of our future but he is crucial to our present.
thats ok anytime, had a brain fade earlier just looking at the list l got & not having rookies listed beside them
Johnson look he is a guy who takes really hard knocks & blocks but if everytime he is injured or goes missing in action we must create another player who can take on his role. He does make the vital mistake at times & being a captain needs to get the action going onfield with talking & stop slowing play down & calling for possessions from behind the player going forward
l'm surprised Jackson didnot come into the side to replace Captain Smiley, it seems everything is about kicking goals replacing forwards when really we need to make adjustments to the midfield & backline & concentrating on moving the ball out of the backline quicker going long to midfield instead of all this possession overuse crap
Same goes for the Ruck if #1 goes down then Graham must be called upon otherwise if we dont then l cant see any reason having them on the list & also holding back thier careers when they could be playing for some other club AFL or not
Alot of talk about Warnock coming over but seriously we will end up with too much Docker culture l would hate that
Now if l was Richmond President l would force a decision onto Coughlan for the long term injury list to promote a rookie Ruckman & challenge him to the task of taking on Simmonds as #1 Ruckman cause really Simmo is small for a ruckman & counts on his leap but that leap is injured & his timing is suffering & so is the whole team
Then comes the bad coaching who is day dreaming about when the next streaker is coming out ;D instead of match winning adjustments of game plans B, C, & so on
its time to get tough at Tigerland l see many clubs like Hawthorn with injuries but thier not wilting like us. Wallace said we had the better list but his damaged it with bad coaching & bad skills to the new players
Some of them players will start wanting out to find ultimate glory after watching ottens get rewarded & l cringe at that thought
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Id rather we give Rance a go next week against Melbourne and move Gourdis up to Coburg seniors and play him on a wing and at times down back.
Thursfield was added to the team without a lot of preperation so i don't see much difference with giving Rance a try
I am under the impression that he played WAFL & is taller & heavier than Thursty
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Good call Mopsy, l have not seen much of this lad Rance
whats he like, has he played at fullback & played on anyone worthy
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Good call Mopsy, l have not seen much of this lad Rance
whats he like, has he played at fullback & played on anyone worthy
I think with Sylvester in the team he plays more at half back at coburg -come in 'tigersforlife'
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When we drafted Rance we were told he was a ready made senior player. Another bit of TW GM Spindoctoring as the kid was running around in Coburgs 2nds. Just take a chance with these kids and select them we have absolutely nothing to lose as we get the game time into them and they can adjust to the tempo of AFL footy rather than keeping them at VFL level for far too long and hinder and stifle their development by not allowing them to grow and mature properly due to the inept nurturing system we have in place.
Blues are doing
Hawks have done it
Dogs have done it
Saints have done it
Remember in 2004 us Dogs and Hawks were bottom 3 we are still there and Hawks and Dogs are in top 3 due to them biting the bullet and playing the kids for short term agony but possibly longer term glory.
As TM also said some of the guys the better equipped players Foley's Cotchins Deledios and co may eventually get sick and tired of the continual and spectacular failure and just like Ottens the sterile but disillusioning culture at Richmond may entice them to look elsewhere for greener pastures and more personal glory and that will be another unforgivable sin committed by the club as they have had too many chances to rectify and change the on and off field culture for the better.
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Id rather we give Rance a go next week against Melbourne and move Gourdis up to Coburg seniors and play him on a wing and at times down back.
Thursfield was added to the team without a lot of preperation so i don't see much difference with giving Rance a try
I am under the impression that he played WAFL & is taller & heavier than Thursty
Mopsy,yep, both Cass & Rance played seniors for Swan Districts in the WAFL.
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;D these rookie listed players, someone needs to go down take a dive for the future of the club this year
Coughlan, Johnson, should take a fall, Johnson wont be at Richmond next year & while Cogs will be he should go on the long term injury list cause he wont be any good this year & wont play a senior game anyway
Thanks for the laugh with your first line TM. :lol
One thing re: Johnson, anyone who says we didn't miss him and don't need him is seriously misguided about his value in the middle and to the team in general. We sorely missed him yesterday. He may not be part of our future but he is crucial to our present.
since he came to our club we have gone from bad to worse.
he is not a leader....fact!!
ill will be a happy man when i see TW, Sugar and Miller walk out of Punt road..
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Rawlings gives nod to Silvester
richmondfc.com.au
By Mic Cullen 5:01 PM Thu 25 June, 2009
RICHMOND interim coach Jade Rawlings is set to unveil his second youngster in just his second game in charge.
Jarrod Silvester will take his place in the Tigers line-up along with Tyrone Vickery, who made his AFL debut against West Coast in the first week of the split round.
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls will also return to the side while Jake King is in contention, named in the extended squad for Sunday's match against undefeated St Kilda.
Silvester was elevated from the rookie list on Thursday to fill the spot created by Matthew Richardson's move to the long-term injury list several weeks ago.
The 24-year-old is listed as 192cm and 90kg, but has packed on a bit more weight this year.
Football manager Ross Monaghan told richmondfc.com.au that the Tigers had been looking for a chance to give Silvester a shot.
"We've got another first-gamer, which is good," Monaghan said.
"Jarrod Silvester will play – he'll be named in the back six.
"His form at Coburg has been terrific this year and we've just been waiting for an opportunity for him to play. We just decided to give him a challenge this week against one of the better teams in the competition.
"Because it's a Sunday game we've got no outs. We've just added three to the squad.
"Jake had a good game last week against Port Melbourne and we'll name Jarrad in the side, as his form has been pretty steady at VFL level."
Monaghan said Richardson had made some promising progression and was now running well.
"He hasn't done any training yet, but he's doing plenty of running and he's probably ahead of schedule from that point-of-view," he said.
"This will be his eighth week on the long-term injury list, so technically he could play next week but he's obviously not going to."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/79393/default.aspx
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Silvester must have been promoted off the rookie list thanks to Sugar.
I don't think Silvester will be around next year but I don't have a problem with him getting a game now. The whole point of the rest of the season is to see who on our list is and isn't part of our future. A massive test for him too on either Riewoldt or Kosi. He played against the Saints in last year's NAB Cup. Well done to him on getting a chance to do what we would all love to do - play a game for Richmond.
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Well , its up to him , no excuses - best of luck BIg Cat.
Proud the Tiges are playing the list - at least we won't die wondering - keep it up
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Well , its up to him , no excuses - best of luck BIg Cat.
Proud the Tiges are playing the list - at least we won't die wondering - keep it up
absolutely spot on mate, spot on!!!
well done to Jade and co for playing the kids
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great decision :yep :yep
:eyebrow :eyebrow
:jump :jump
:outtahere :outtahere
I thought we were allowed to have freebie rookie elevation now - so it wouldn'thave anythin gto do with Suga would it . Richo's on the LTIL and the freebie covers our rookies
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Silvester must have been promoted off the rookie list thanks to Sugar.
Nothing to do with Sugar, you can't promote a rookie from a retirement, you're just allowed an extra rookie promotion after Round 11
Nahas stays on for Richo on the LTIL
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great decision :yep :yep
:eyebrow :eyebrow
:jump :jump
:outtahere :outtahere
I thought we were allowed to have freebie rookie elevation now - so it wouldn'thave anythin gto do with Suga would it . Richo's on the LTIL and the freebie covers our rookies
Well WP you have been raving about his bloke for a while so I hope he doesn't let you down. I thought he had already played for us, or was that in the NAB cup??
Good luck to him as well.
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Well WP you have been raving about his bloke for a while so I hope he doesn't let you down. I thought he had already played for us, or was that in the NAB cup??
Good luck to him as well.
He's played 2 NAB cup games - one this year against freo and our only one in 2008
WAT - he wont let me down. Because all I wanted was him to be rewarded for his good form and to be given an opportunity at AFL level to see if he cuts it.
He is a great kid and I know he will make the most of the opportunity he has got.
And what a great test it is - I reckon he will take Kosi ;D
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Well WP you have been raving about his bloke for a while so I hope he doesn't let you down. I thought he had already played for us, or was that in the NAB cup??
Good luck to him as well.
He's played 2 NAB cup games - one this year against freo and our only one in 2008
WAT - he wont let me down. Because all I wanted was him to be rewarded for his good form and to be given an opportunity at AFL level to see if he cuts it.
He is a great kid and I know he will make the most of the opportunity he has got.
And what a great test it is - I reckon he will take Kosi ;D
Excellent thats what we want to hear, he certainly looks the part, maybe this is what we need, heaps of kids with lots of guts, plonk him down there with Rance... :thumbsup
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Sufferin sukatash!!! Let's hope he catches a tweety bird on the weekend
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wp.
you must have some power at the selection table
u have lobbied for ur love child all yr and here he is
he better not let the club down
but then again, maybe we are tanking and thats why he is in lol
i dont like him but now that he is wearing the tiger jumper he has my support, good luck silvester
dont let us down
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I wonder how long he will be given to he is adjudged to have let the team, the supporters, the board boy etc etc down.
Half a game, one game, maybe if he is lucky two games.
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes003.gif)
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Kosi should be a good matchup
Neither of them are that fast
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I hope he plays at least 3 games so that some people get suckered into buying him for Dreamteam. :)
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wp.
you must have some power at the selection table
u have lobbied for ur love child all yr and here he is
he better not let the club down
but then again, maybe we are tanking and thats why he is in lol
i dont like him but now that he is wearing the tiger jumper he has my support, good luck silvester
dont let us down
Sorry TT but i didnt think simply wearing a Tiger jumper qualified someone for your support!
I hope he doesnt let the club down? Dont let us down? Great support!But hang on you dont like him? Do you know him personally? Go to school with him or play junior footy with him? Lucky he wears a tiger jumper, id hate to see what you think of him then!
Go Big Cat, youve been plugging away for a while and it is good to see people who are pepared to dothe hard yarrds get a crack!
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well done to the cat, he deserves a chance, and must play a game or two to determine his fate..Good luck :gotigers
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BLAH BLAH GOOD LUCK.. bLAH BLAH...
Dont you all see whats happening here? :help
He is 24 and hes been playing for Coburg! I think you are all in denial......I'm not getting excited about a 24 yr old Coburg player. If this guy is the future of the club I wonder then why hasn't he been playing for us since he was 18?
And I think you all missed the part when Jade said JON was named. You've got to be kidding me. We all know he can't play so why play him?????????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
I think you all are too used to being on the bottom because you all sound like Losers who support Mediocre Losers. I'm not getting sucked in till I see CHANGE.
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Whos getting excited? No One, all we are doing is wishing the guy good luck! Dont be kill joy, just because he is 24 doesnt mean he wont have an impact and doesnt deserve our best wishes!
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Whos getting excited? No One, all we are doing is wishing the guy good luck! Dont be kill joy, just because he is 24 doesnt mean he wont have an impact and does any deserve our best wishes!
Who is getting excited? Well I've seen this all before. Countless Richmond supporters in a frenzy, all excited over either some very small player (McGrath, Dundas,Poyas,Pettifer, Gilmore) or an ordinarily good VFL player (Plapp, Jurica, Holland, Hughes, Shultz).
What do they all have in common? They kicked goals or were consistant @ VFL level, or had 1 good day @ AFL level.
You see I've been around and it takes me more than good form in VFL to get me aroused! You Have to show me more than that.
Do I wish him well........ I dont really care about him. i want the club to get real and get successful.
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Whos getting excited? No One, all we are doing is wishing the guy good luck! Dont be kill joy, just because he is 24 doesnt mean he wont have an impact and does any deserve our best wishes!
Who is getting excited? Well I've seen this all before. Countless Richmond supporters in a frenzy, all excited over either some very small player (McGrath, Dundas,Poyas,Pettifer, Gilmore) or an ordinarily good VFL player (Plapp, Jurica, Holland, Hughes, Shultz).
What do they all have in common? They kicked goals or were consistant @ VFL level, or had 1 good day @ AFL level.
You see I've been around and it takes me more than good form in VFL to get me aroused! You Have to show me more than that.
Do I wish him well........ I dont really care about him. i want the club to get real and get successful.
Some valid points.
I do wish the kid all the best though.
You are right some Tiger supporters are in denial. Relying on 24 year old first gamers and the likes of JON aint the answer but he does deserve a chance to showcase his talents. We have nothing else to lose but more games and il take for the remainder of this year.
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Do I wish him well........ I dont really care about him. i want the club to get real and get successful.
I love supporters like you....you are gold.
Part of supporting a club...in my humble opinion...is supporting the players who put their neck - literally - on the line each time they go out to play for RFC. I suppose using your mindset...you dont really care about Polly either...as long as the club is successful...whatever you view as successful...you don't care about a fellow human being...you don't care that someone is making their debut ...how hard would it have been for you to wish him well???
You would make a great Collingwood supporter....I am sure you would be welcome over there...its not too late to change allegiances.
Hope the Big Cat has a great game and hopefully a great career.
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The big Cat has nothing to lose. Unlike the Eagles game he gets a baptism of fire debut on Kosi with a Saints midfield in red hot form. He's going to be seeing plenty of the ball down his end sadly :-\.
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To Con65,
Its nice of you to express such concern over my indifference, i appreciate your altruism.
But my apathy is a culmination of 27 years of continual and unerving frustration with the increased despondency to the mediocrity that is endemic at the club.
Yes I've wished players well before over the years....names that have come and gone.... now forgotten. What alot of them had in common my friend is that they hadn't the "put their neck on the line" as you so eloquently put it.
When I see consistancy rather than maladroitness year after year, maybe then I'll be pragmatic and hopefuly wish a young prospective champion '"WELL".
Till then I'm afraid my indifference is a burden I must bare.....
P.S of your suggested defection to Collingwood..... I must engage to you in the continual theme of perpetual empiricism that the defiance of the aforementioned would be antidotelly benificial to advocate.
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Hey Mr.T, do you think we havent shared the pain of the last 27 years?
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Till then I'm afraid my indifference is a burden I must bare.....
then keep it to urself,lovey.
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And I think you all missed the part when Jade said JON was named. You've got to be kidding me. We all know he can't play so why play him?????????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
WE all know...... oh for heaven's sake, if you're going to make a sweeping generalisation then at least make it plausible.
Oh to live in such a black and white world. ::)
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Not our worst out there. Doing a reasonable job on Kosi considering how much the Saints are dominating.
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I didn't think he did too bad tonight.
Since Kosi kicked five it will probably be judged that Kosi outplayed him, but with the way we got pumped in the midfield its no wonder as he got some great delivery.
Definitely worth more game time, big unit, reasonable pace and disposal looked good.
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I didn't think he did too bad tonight.
Since Kosi kicked five it will probably be judged that Kosi outplayed him, but with the way we got pumped in the midfield its no wonder as he got some great delivery.
Definitely worth more game time, big unit, reasonable pace and disposal looked good.
Totally agree Chuck, all things considered I thought it was a fine debut.
I look forward to seeing him play next week.
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And I think you all missed the part when Jade said JON was named. You've got to be kidding me. We all know he can't play so why play him?????????? :banghead :banghead :banghead
WE all know...... oh for heaven's sake, if you're going to make a sweeping generalisation then at least make it plausible.
Oh to live in such a black and white world. ::)
So do you think he can play? ...... well you may just get a job on match committee then.
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played as good as bowden. :wallywink
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Silvester lining for Tigers in draw
richmondfc.com.au
By Murray Belkin Mon 20 July, 2009
YOUNG Richmond defender Jarrod Silvester says he thought he would get the free kick that consigned Sunday’s game against North Melbourne to a draw.
With 20 seconds remaining and scores level, Silvester found himself one-out with David Hale deep in the North Melbourne forward-line.
The young Tiger defender was able to hold the front position in the contest and won the free-kick after the umpire ruled that Hale had grabbed his jumper.
Hale claimed after the match that he thought he had the mark fair and square. But Silvester backed the umpire.
“I thought I had it,” Silvester said after the match.
“But I didn’t know what the umpire was going to pay.”
Silvester was shattered that the Tigers gave up a 42-point half-time lead to snatch a draw against North Melbourne at the MCG.
“It is very disappointing – seven goals up at half-time the boys couldn’t go on with it,” he said.
Playing in just his third game this season, the young defender was brilliant against Hale, restricting the tall forward to just five marks and two goals – one of which was kicked when Silvester was sitting on the bench.
Despite standing 9cm shorter than his North Melbourne opponent, Silvester was always confident he could do the job after finding out he had the daunting task of opposing Hale late in the week.
“I found out on Thursday – I just tried to play him tight get body on him,” he said.
“I thought if I could stick tight to him I would be able to go with him.”
Silvester said the side was disappointed with their third-quarter performance, as North Melbourne made their way back into the match with a five goal to one term.
“I think we couldn’t win the ball in the middle of the ground - they were getting goal-side of us too easily and getting out the back of us,” he said.
“They got a few easy ones.”
But despite the draw, Silvester is adamant the Tigers supporters can be optimistic about the future of the football club.
“The first-half was some of the best footy we’ve played in the last five weeks,” he said.
“When we’re on and running and tackling hard, we’re a good side and we can match it with everyone – it’s just a matter of putting it all together for four quarters.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/6301/newsid/80977/default.aspx