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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 05, 2008, 02:16:36 PM
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VFL Round 6
Coburg Tigers vs Collingwood
Saturday 10th May @ 1:10 PM
Venue: ABD Group Stadium (Coburg City Oval)
Broadcast:
TV: ABC
Radio: Double X - 1611 AM
Internet: http://radio1611.abctechnologies.com.au/radio1611.asx
Note: The Coburg ressies have the bye this week.
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I expect to see Cotchin, Rance, Putt and Gourdis in the Coburg seniors this week.
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Some will miss out because there's 44 on our list and not all the 22 who didn't play Saturday night will play for the Burgers this week. Sure the injured Howat and Rainesy won't play but with Cogs and Meyer pushing for a VFL game I can't see 20 RFC players and only 2 Burgers playing for Coburg.
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I would be surprised if Cogs played just due to his lack of match fitness, they would want 22 players who can play most of the game if required i would think.
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:thumbsup I'll be able to catch the score in the Emerald clubrooms - Emerald v Seville grassroots footy at it's best :cheers
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I would be surprised if Cogs played just due to his lack of match fitness, they would want 22 players who can play most of the game if required i would think.
The VFL fixturing has hurt us as Cogs was ready to play at least VFL ressies on the weekend and if he doesn't this weekend coming either then that's two chances of building up his match fitness gone. The same goes for Danny.
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Chocco said today that 16 RFC players will be playing for Coburg on Saturday.
I don't know who the 16 are but presumably taking out the 22 who played against the Saints plus Rainesy and Howat who are coming back from injury then the 16 will come from the remaining 20 Tigers. Cogs and Meyer trained fully today.
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Superfit Cogs ;D oh l hope he starts playing soon. Smokey just waiting to give him a massage ;D & splash us with how good he is :lol
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Is it true Coburg didn't receive a single penny out of the State budget's $10 million to redevelop suburban VFL grounds? So they're going leave the grandstand as is ???.
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South Melbourne got $50 million upgrade to Bob Jane but ;D
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Coburg line up for this week
B Bowden Silvester Oakley-Nicholls
HB Robertson Rance Caruso
C Horne Tivendale Cotchin
HF Pettifer Schulz Connors
F Coughlan Hughes Polak
R Graham Carnell Shelton
Int Liddle Cartledge Putt
Rayson McErlain Caruso
Polo Lynch
Collingwood lineup
B Nicholls Walsh Frost
HB Cox Dawes Egan
C Barham McCarthy Lonie
HF Reid Thoolen Stanley
F Jurrah MacAffer Iles
R Bryan Dyas Carmody
Int Licuria idiot Crow
Colbert Mugavin Oldmeadow
McDonald Pendlebury
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Coburg line up for this week
B Bowden Silvester Oakley-Nicholls
HB Robertson Rance Caruso
C Horne Tivendale Cotchin
HF Pettifer Schulz Connors
F Coughlan Hughes Polak
R Graham Carnell Shelton
Int Liddle Cartledge Putt
Rayson McErlain Caruso
Polo Lynch
solid looking team.....would hav liked to see collins in there as well...perhaps instead of tivendale...dont' really know why we persist with him.......the fact is that he doesnt' play much better..if at all better than the younger midfielders...so..for the sake of development..why is he still playing??
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Coburg line up for this week
B Bowden Silvester Oakley-Nicholls
HB Robertson Rance Caruso
C Horne Tivendale Cotchin
HF Pettifer Schulz Connors
F Coughlan Hughes Polak
R Graham Carnell Shelton
Int Liddle Cartledge Putt
Rayson McErlain Caruso
Polo Lynch
Collingwood lineup
B Nicholls Walsh Frost
HB Cox Dawes Egan
C Barham McCarthy Lonie
HF Reid Thoolen Stanley
F Jurrah MacAffer Iles
R Bryan Dyas Carmody
Int Licuria idiot Crow
Colbert Mugavin Oldmeadow
McDonald Pendlebury
Agree with peggles. What's Collins' situation TFL? Have heard nothing but positive reviews from his senior performances but he seems to be on the outer when it comes to selection for Coburg. Also, are Cass & Meyer still injured?
(BTW thanks for the week-in, week-out info TFL & MT - much appreciated by us interstaters who are keen to hear about our juniors' developmnt)
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B Bowden Silvester Oakley-Nicholls
HB Robertson Rance Caruso
C Horne Tivendale Cotchin
HF Pettifer Schulz Connors
F Coughlan Hughes Polak
R Graham Carnell Shelton
Int Liddle Cartledge Putt
Rayson McErlain Caruso
Polo Lynch
Chocco said on Wednesday at training that 16 RFC players would be playing but I can't see Coburg playing 3 ruckmen.
No Collard, Gourdis, Cass or Collins. Cass must have injured himself again at training as I mentioned on Wednesday :(. No idea why Collins isn't play Coburg seniors ???.
Good to see Rance in as well as seeing Cogs back.
Sarge and Polly have obviously been told to show why they should be in the Richmond line-up.
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B Bowden Silvester Oakley-Nicholls
HB Robertson Rance Caruso
C Horne Tivendale Cotchin
HF Pettifer Schulz Connors
F Coughlan Hughes Polak
R Graham Carnell Shelton
Int Liddle Cartledge Putt
Rayson McErlain Caruso
Polo Lynch
Chocco said on Wednesday at training that 16 RFC players would be playing but I can't see Coburg playing 3 ruckmen.
No Collard, Gourdis, Cass or Collins. Cass must have injured himself again at training as I mentioned on Wednesday :(. No idea why Collins isn't play Coburg seniors ???.
Good to see Rance in as well as seeing Cogs back.
Sarge and Polly have obviously been told to show why they should be in the Richmond line-up.
Polo on the pine? I wonder if that's a pointed message to him or if they have just chucked the names on a piece of paper? I'll be honest - I thought he would have been pressing for the seniors again after going back for a couple for games. His performances with Coburg don't seem to have exactly set the world on fire.
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Hi Everyone.
One-Eyed emailed me thru the week to ask if this week we'd be doing "Ask the Coach". (like last year)
Sadly it won't be this week as we go to air at 1pm and the Bounce Down is Ten minutes later.
However (SCOOP) we hope to have it next week at the CURTAIN RAISER at the MCG.
I've made contact with the Coburg Football Club, and if we get a favourable response from Jade Rawlings, then I will pre-record during the week a chat with Jade based on YOUR questions.
So as soon as we get (hopefully) the thumbs up - I'll post an "Ask the VFL Coach" thread for you here on this site.
Mind you I must say I'm excited at getting the chance to call a game at the MCG :) (10am start next saturday)
Peter Holden
1611 AM Double X (having this week off... due to real paid radio work!)
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I'll also be following JONs game closely tomorrow. We need to make sure we find out as a club if this boy can play or not.
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Polo on the pine? I wonder if that's a pointed message to him or if they have just chucked the names on a piece of paper? I'll be honest - I thought he would have been pressing for the seniors again after going back for a couple for games. His performances with Coburg don't seem to have exactly set the world on fire.
There's 8 on the bench so Deano might not even play yet :-\. You've got to wonder if his shoulder is still causing him grief or if he just needs to lift his game big time and find some heart.
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Broadcast:
Radio: Double X - 1611 AM
Internet: http://radio1611.abctechnologies.com.au/radio1611.asx
Hi Everyone.
One-Eyed emailed me thru the week to ask if this week we'd be doing "Ask the Coach". (like last year)
Sadly it won't be this week as we go to air at 1pm and the Bounce Down is Ten minutes later.
However (SCOOP) we hope to have it next week at the CURTAIN RAISER at the MCG.
I've made contact with the Coburg Football Club, and if we get a favourable response from Jade Rawlings, then I will pre-record during the week a chat with Jade based on YOUR questions.
So as soon as we get (hopefully) the thumbs up - I'll post an "Ask the VFL Coach" thread for you here on this site.
Mind you I must say I'm excited at getting the chance to call a game at the MCG :) (10am start next saturday)
Peter Holden
1611 AM Double X (having this week off... due to real paid radio work!)
Cheers for letting us know Peter. All the best with the commentary of the game at the 'G and fingers crossed the interview with Rawlings goes ahead :).
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Well as Ted Mulry used to sing, Jump in my car ;D its time to head down to see the ressie skunks get pumped :gotigers
Hughes to kick 6 goals dead eye dicks today
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For the interstaters, are there any reports on ground condition & weather forecast ?
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For the interstaters, are there any reports on ground condition & weather forecast ?
It was sunny here before but it's overcast now.
Polo, Cogs and Gus on the bench with McErlain. Cogs wearing #78.
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15 RFC players - Polak, Cotchin, Bowden, Polo, Petts, Rance, Cogs, Schulz, JON, Tivs, Hughes, Silvester, Cartledge, Connors, Graham. Pies have 13 Collingwood players including Goldsack.
A bit soft in the middle of the ground but overall ground in good nick.
Rawlings - break came at a good time as it gave us a chance to refresh. We came from behind against Box Hill so we don't see that as a problem. Adopting Richmond's gamestyle at Coburg. A good mix of Coburg and Richmond players.
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No breeze.
Cartledge free outside 50 and nice pass to Cleve on the lead on 55 degrees. Point.
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Petts looks to be playing on ball. Cartledge in ruck. Connors in the wing. Polak up forward and Schulz at CHB.
1 - 7. Poor chase by Connors.
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LOL @ JON :rollin. Ran down the ground well then didn't know what to with it getting himself into trouble and kicked a grubba out on the bounds (not on the full). Cartledge then got a free from the throw in and kicked it into the man on the mark.
Joel now has a 50m and kicks a goal.
7 - 7
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Polak up forward and Schulz at CHB.
Fair chance that's rehearsing for next week.
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Good intercept by Connors out of the middle but he turns it over and the Pies run it up the ground for a goal.
We're winning it out of the middle. Joel marks. Touched.
8 - 13
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If that's not holding the ball before on the wing then what is ???
8 - 14
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Cotch to Polak towards Petts and Tivs from the spill weaves on his left and goals.
14 - 14
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JON in defence to Cogs handabll to Caruso to Polo to Polak. Polak inside 50 finds Cleve directly in front. Just sneaks in.
20 - 14
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There's no holding the ball in this game :scream.
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Waterboy inside defensive 50 gives the Pies a free on 50 and it costs us a goal ::).
20 - 21
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Hip hip hoooray we get a free and it was softer than the other ones ::).
Tivs goal
26 - 21
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Quarter time
Coburg 4.2-26
Coll'wood 3.3-21
Goals: Tivs 2, Bowden, Hughes
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Patchy game.
36 kicks to 58
Inside 50: 13 - 12
Clearances: 4 - 3
Frees: 4 - 11
Petts 8 (7 kicks)
Polak 5
Tivs 5
Connors 5
JON 4
Rawlings said we are giving them to much easy ball with our defence puishing back so 1-on-1 boys. Praised Polly up forward for his leading up the ground. Said we'd be in trouble without him. Praised our closing down and tackling. Unlucky not to get a few holding the ball decisions inside 50. Haven't played our best but really having a go so let's get going.
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Horne slips to ground in the marking contest so the Pies get a easy mark and goal.
26 - 27
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Free to Cartledge at the centre bounce and 50m. Goal.
32 - 27
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Coburg stuffs up a good chance for goal. Joel tries to be too cute and the ball is smothered. Then Caruso gets pinned for a throw instead of having a snap himself. Pies run it down but luckily only get a point.
32 - 28
Turnovers by foot galore.
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Tivs from behind the circle to Polak on 60 to Cleve on the lead. Goal. Burgers back in front.
38 - 34
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Cotch misses but there's an off the ball free to Petts and he goals.
45 - 35
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Getting a bit feisty and the Pies get a free and from it a goal.
Then after turnovers, stuff-ups and blind umpires Petts gets it to jOel who misses.
46 - 41
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Schulz off with the physio looking at his arm.
Liddle roves off Connors-Goldsack marking contest. Goal.
53 - 41
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Cleve copped a poke in the eye and is in the rooms.
Schulz back on.
Heaps of turnovers and miss hitting targets by both sides once they go forward.
Half time
Coburg 4.2 8.5-53
Coll'wood 3.3 6.5-41
Goals: Tivs 2, Hughes 2, Bowden, Petts, Cartledge, Liddle
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Up to half time
Polak - been good for mine.
Cotchin - Afew good things but not outstanding, wont get a game vs Geelong based on 1st half.
Bowden - Dont know what to say, gets it easy at this level, but not impressing. Should stay @ Coburg
Polo - Dont know where Deans at, needs to do more
Petts - See Polo
Rance - Doesnt seem to know how to get more involved in the game at the moment.
Cogs - Ok but nothing great
Schulz - Not bad, but not scintillating.
JON - I like how he knows how to get, but disposal and decision making ?
Tivs - Better than VFL average, not good enough for AFL.
Hughes - Doing a nice job at FF, Mobility good. Could get promoted soon.
Silvester- Good for VFL level.
Cartledge - See Silvestor
Connors - Needs to answer 1 question: Do you wanna be a good AFL player and play 200 games?
Graham - Work in progress.
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Team manager says Cleve has a leg problem but ABC say it's more a poke in the eye.
Possies
Tivs 13
JON 12
Petts 13
Bowden 10
Polak 10
Inside 50: 28 - 21
Clearances: 9 -6
Frees: 9 - 15
Tivs has been the best for Coburg. He's maligned but his skills have been far above the rest.
Cartledge has been solid in the ruck.
Polak has looked threatening but is getting his marks on the lead outside 50. When inside 50 he is being double teamed and spoiled.
Cotch has been well held although he's down some nice things.
Cogs hasn't done much.
Breeze now blowing left of screen (Pies end in 3rd qtr)
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Up to half time
Polak - been good for mine.
Cotchin - Afew good things but not outstanding, wont get a game vs Geelong based on 1st half.
Bowden - Dont know what to say, gets it easy at this level, but not impressing. Should stay @ Coburg
Polo - Dont know where Deans at, needs to do more
Petts - See Polo
Rance - Doesnt seem to know how to get more involved in the game at the moment.
Cogs - Ok but nothing great
Schulz - Not bad, but not scintillating.
JON - I like how he knows how to get, but disposal and decision making ?
Tivs - Better than VFL average, not good enough for AFL.
Hughes - Doing a nice job at FF, Mobility good. Could get promoted soon.
Silvester- Good for VFL level.
Cartledge - See Silvestor
Connors - Needs to answer 1 question: Do you wanna be a good AFL player and play 200 games?
Graham - Work in progress.
Can't disagree with any of that Ramps :clapping
Caruso gets the first of the 3rd. Well done by Polly.
61 - 41
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Cotch out of the centre to Joel on the lead. Doesn't make the distance. Caruso weaves and turns and misses.
62 - 41
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Cogs gives off a nice handball to Horne outside and goal on the run.
68 - 41
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These umpires need glasses. Clear mark to COnnors inside 50. Cotch misses on the snap from the ball -up.
70 - 41
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Coburg playing all over the Pies now.
Schulz to Petts. Misses.
71 - 41
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Tivs could have centred to a free man but has a shot and misses too.
2.7 this quarter. Should be up by 8 goals at least :scream.
Pies get one against tghe run off play to hang in.
72 - 48
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Connors misses the snap :P.
73 - 48
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Tivs doesn't slip over this time and Fortunato gets his second.
Cogs playing 80% gametime.
79 - 48
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Polo sneaks on from the bench to intercept then pass to Polak who cuts inside to Joel. Goal.
85 - 48
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Smashing them at the stoppages and clearances. Out of the middle to Polak to Tivs but instead of going on his left he cuts back to his right and stuffs it up.
POlak another mark to Petts on 50. It falls short but straight to Nat Caruso unmarked in the square 1m out. goal.
91 - 48
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Polak another mark across 50. Gives off a hot handball to Joel who is grabbed but held onto too long. Misses. 2.3 he's kicked.
92 - 48
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Connors goes for his weekly mark of the year lol.
Liddle free on the siren. No score.
3/4 time
Coburg 4.2 8.5 13.14-92
Coll'wood 3.3 6.5 8.6-54
Goals: Tivs 2, Hughes 2, F.Caruso 2, Bowden 2, Petts, Cartledge, Liddle, Horne, N.Caruso
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Possies:
Tivs 23
Petts 22 (21 kicks)
Bowden 20
Polak 15, 11 marks
Polo 12
JON 12
17 - 8 inside 50s that quarter.
Inside 50s: 45 - 28
Centre clearances: 17 - 6
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Rawlings at 3/4 time
We controlled the game. Won the midfield. Forward pressure excellent especially from our small blokes. Tivs' been a "star", Polak excellent, Silvester and Schulz have been rocks in defence. First half we were trying hard but turned it over far too easily. Much better in the 3rd. 5.9 was disappointing but happy otherwise. Need to continue to work on the things we spoke about.
Gavin Brown said in the COllingwood huddle they won't win. It's true but funny hearing a coach say it.
Joel has first shot of the 4th and misses. 2.4 today.
93 - 55
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A bit of a tussle. Rance let one rip but thankfully missed lol.
Tivs misses on the run from 50. Nice burst by Cotch to show his pace btw.
94 - 56
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Pie turnover. Polak marks on 60 again. Pass to Joel 25 out. Goal.
100 - 56
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Cotch getting more of the ball now. Top Cartledge who kicks long to. Polak. Polak's 13th mark. This one contested 25m out. Misses.
Tivs now running along the boundary but makes the angle tighter and tighter and kicks it across the goal and OOTF.
101 - 56
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Schulz runs through from half-back doing 1 and 2's with Gus, Cartledge and Connors. Goal.
107 - 56
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Another clearance and kick to Polak on the lead. Goal.
113 - 56
Training drill since half-time.
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Another centre clearance. Petts snaps.
119 - 56
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JON takes a mini specky off to Polo to Tivs pass to Joel. Misses again. 3.5. Polo missed a set shot from 45 too.
120 - 56
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Cotch has had 15 disposals all up. He's had a fair bit of it since half-time.
121 - 62
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Petts avoid the contested footy and it results in a Collingwood goal. Siren
Final Score
Coburg 4.2 8.5 13.14 17.19-121
Coll'wood 3.3 6.5 8.6 10.8-68
Goals: Bowden 3, Tivs 2, Hughes 2, F.Caruso 2, Petts 2, Cartledge, Liddle, Horne, N.Caruso, Polak, Schulz
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Petts avoid the contested footy and it results in a Collingwood goal. Siren
and that's why he should stay at coburg
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Possies:
Tivs 30 (won BOG award and got a 150th commemorative medal)
Petts 27
Bowden 26
Polak 20
Liddle 19
Polo 16
Cotchin 16
F.Caruso and Shelton got a fair bit of it too.
Double X impressed with Cotchin after half-time and showing why he was pick 2
Centre clearances: 22 - 7
Inside 50s: 61 - 33
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Petts after the game:
Down in form last couple of game so try win the ball. Pressure was very good. Broek them in the second half.
Started up okay playing in the middle. Good to get hands on the footy. JON and others played well. Best game he's played for Coburg IHO. Told to work on his pressure, tackling and kick a few goals.
Rawlings after the game:
Ordinary in first quarter. Even up to half-time. Mosquito fleet got going after half-time. Caruso and liddle.
Back line was superb - Schulz, Silvester, JON excellent.
Midfield - solid
Forwards - good.
Hope to build on this for the rest of the season.
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I didnt see the 2nd half at all, and only just now saw the final score. Good win.
Can people tell me if our young guys lifted in the 2nd half, esp. Cotchin & Rance. Did Rance get more into it all?
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Very good all-round performance from the Burger boys. The Pies gave us a contest early but the boys were just too good. For anyone who missed the game, this is my take on the Richmond boys
JON - Very, very impressive game IMO, bag him all you like but this kid was super impressive. His kicking skills and vision were absolute highlights. Bar 2-3 kicks, every kick hit its target like a bullet. One kick especially in the 1st qtr I think where he was streaming off half-back and kicked a beauty to the leading Polak. Looked a lot quicker with his decision making as well.
Cotchin - Not a huge statistic game but everything he does is special and pure class. His hands were incredibly clean, and where the reason for a few of his clearances in the first half. Second half showed his outside game. Not a jet but still very quick and a hard runner. Hick kicking skills were in a class of its own today. Essentially everything hit its target. 2 best passages of play in the 2nd half where when he swooped in and cleanly picked up a ball near the boundary line and swiftly passed it to Silvestor. And another was when he snared a clearance and fired a handball to a running Little who didn't have to break stride. :clapping
Cartledge - This bloke is very impressive at VFL level. His tap-work gives the mids the best opportunity to snare the pill and get clearances. Hard worker who doesn't mind getting in and doing the hard stuff, Ben Hudsonish.
Graham - The more I see him the more I like him. His skills are very good for a big man, and he has good awareness and as a result makes good decisions.
Tivendale - Was easily BOG, played like an arrogant prick but was clearly the best. Hard running, some laser left foot passes and some good defensive work
Pettifer - Ummm, what to say. Commentators seemed impressed but for me a bit of a nothing game. Nice goal he set up for Nat Caruso in the 3rd but other than that didn't seem to impress me. Hard to believe he got 25 touches.
Bowden - Classy game. 3 goals 5 IIRC. Clearly too good for VFL
Hughes - After first qtr barely noticed him, injured? Noticed him wearing the tracksuit at the end
Polak - Impressive lead up forward game. Very strong hands and worked hard.
Cogs - Brilliant to see him back. Clearly needs to build up his fitness as he went in and out of the game. But at stoppages showed he hasn't lost any of his in close brilliance. Loved his hardness at the ball, and in the 2nd qtr dished off a ripper handball to setup a goal. Much prefer him in the side than Tuck, but needs to build fitness
Connors - Impressive in patches but lack of preseason clearly showing. Love how he plays with a touch of arrogance and looked at home when he played in the middle in the 2nd half
Rance - Didn't really notice him to be honest. No Comment
Silvestor - Solid game down back.
Apologies but I think I have missed 2 players but can't think of who
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I didnt see the 2nd half at all, and only just now saw the final score. Good win.
Can people tell me if our young guys lifted in the 2nd half, esp. Cotchin & Rance. Did Rance get more into it all?
Cotchin got a lot more of the pill in the 2nd half. First half showed a very good inside ability. Second half showed his terrific outside ability and kicking skills.
Rance never really got into the game. At least thats what I thought because I never really noticed him.
Oh thats right, forgot Schulz. Impressive game from the big man. Skills are exceptional for a big man
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Alex Rance seemed to be spectating a little bit, he was around the action but never in it in the half i saw. I wouldnt drop him, he needs to stay in the Coburg 1s for a while so he can learn to get into it more.
I was pleased with JONs capacity to get the footy, I still have doubts about his disposing of the pill and his decision making, nevertheless we shouldnt be in a hurry to offload at this stage, theres something there thats indicating it will come good in time.
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Alex Rance seemed to be spectating a little bit, he was around the action but never in it in the half i saw. I wouldnt drop him, he needs to stay in the Coburg 1s for a while so he can learn to get into it more.
I was pleased with JONs capacity to get the footy, I still have doubts about his disposing of the pill and his decision making, nevertheless we shouldnt be in a hurry to offload at this stage, theres something there thats indicating it will come good in time.
Clearly not based on today's game. Was brilliant in these departments today
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JON seems like a wingman at AFL level but I could be wrong. His kicking was ok in the first half, ran himself into trouble from memory 1 time, 1 or 2 kicks in that period werent crisp but overall, I was happy with what I saw him do.
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2008 VFL Seniors
Coburg Tigers 4.2 8.6 13.14 17.19 (121)
Collingwood 3.3 6.5 8.6 10.8 (68)
GOALS:
Coburg Tigers: Bowden 3 Caruso 2 Pettifer 2 Tivendale 2 Hughes 2 Schulz Liddle Caruso Cartledge Polak Horne
Collingwood: Lonie 3 Dawes 2 Reid 2 Frost MacAffer Barham
BEST:
Coburg Tigers: Tivendale Polak Oakley-Nicholls Liddle Bowden Polo
Collingwood: Barham Dyas Stanley Colbert MacAffer Frost
REPORTED PLAYERS:
Coburg Tigers: Nil
Collingwood: Nil
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Alex Rance seemed to be spectating a little bit, he was around the action but never in it in the half i saw. I wouldnt drop him, he needs to stay in the Coburg 1s for a while so he can learn to get into it more.
I was pleased with JONs capacity to get the footy, I still have doubts about his disposing of the pill and his decision making, nevertheless we shouldnt be in a hurry to offload at this stage, theres something there thats indicating it will come good in time.
Clearly not based on today's game. Was brilliant in these departments today
I agree except I did also think to myself he disposes of the ball just as he is tackled an awful lot. The game doesn't get any slower at AFL level. Had a couple of brain fades but his work overall was good. I have always been impressed with his defensive work. If we can get hime to click we will be a better team for it I think.
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If JON becomes a handy AFL footballer it would be a massive bonus at this point. I hope he gets another game in the seniors shortly.
I take it Casserly was injured again at training the other day? :P
Thanks for the reports guys. :clapping
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Casserly :banghead
Why do the footy gods hate him :banghead
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Was extremely impressed by Cotchin's second half, we've got a good one there.
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Well what a game, l'm not impressed they are all very good VFL footballers :lol :thumbsup ;D enough said
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Greed with Coach Rawlings on JON, thought he was superb off half back, controlled his opponent offered plenty of dash, was very impressive, classy even.
Thought Shultz and Polak were the other standouts, very good hit out overall, especially in the second half
However, IMHO Bowden and Pettifer didnt do enough to be levated
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Good summary bluey :clapping.
My 2c:
The first half was very sloppy by both sides. Mistakes galore once each side crossed the centre or wings. Coburg was getting their hands on the ball more as the half progressed and the last 5 minutes before half-time were a sign of things to come. Second half was a training session for Coburg. Burgers smashed the Pies at the stoppages and clearances and the ball spent 90% of the time forward of centre. If we had kicked straight the margin could have been 80-90 points in the end.
Polo - quiet first half but I thought he got better and more involved as the game progressed. Deano was regularly in the play by the end. Best he's played in a very long time I thought. Hopefully a sign he's regaining confidence in his shoulder. Now he has to turn that good half into a month of solid performances.
Cotchin - Tagged and was held in the first half but broke away in the second. Simply all class and a smart footballer. Preaching to the converted (me lol). It looked like he played the whole game so he's not far away. Unleash him against the bombers.
Polak - Reckon he earned a return to AFL. In the first half he's leading outside 50 straightened us up but he was double teamed when inside 50 so he didn't hold any contested marks. This changed in the second half as he marked virtually everything in sight. Kicking for goal is still suspect but hard to knock a 20 possie, 15 mark game.
Bowden - Could have kicked 7 if he had his kicking boot on. He still had his "Joel" moments of trying to do too much and be too cute but I think the coaches would be happy with him.
Tivs - Footpassing up to half-time was flawless :o in a Coburg side that turned over the ball or stuffed up goal chances regularly. I thought he tried to kick goals all by himself after half time when he could have found better options but with 30 disposals and Collingwood witches hats it was party time for Tivs.
JON - He's ability to get his hands on the footy has improved out of sight (took some very good marks today) but it's still heart in your mouth stuff when he has the ball in traffic or he thinks to much not going for the first option. Fortunately the pressure from the Pies was non-existent and he cleaned up hitting targets. Was one of Coburg's bests.
Cartledge - another good solid game in the ruck. Gave the mids regular first use of the footy.
Petts - Like bluey I thought for someone with so much of the ball didn't have a huge impact on the game. I wouldn't promote him based on today.
Hughes - Copped a poke in the eye and looked like he was hobbling too as he walked along the boundary line. Didn't return after half-time. Before that he was solid.
Connors - Agree with bluey. Good in patches. Made a few errors early on but that improved as the game went along. He still needs more games at VFL to get his match-fitness up.
Silvester - Solid. Dawes outmarked him a couple of times but apart from that a good game.
Rance - Quiet. He looked like he was still finding the pace of the game coming from the VFL 2's. The ball wasn't down his end much after half-time so that didn't help.
Gus - Looked awkward early on but another who I thought was better in the second half. Did some nice thinks clearing from contests to the runners.
Cogs - Really on noticed him in patches when he set up scoring chances with a subtle handball out from the contest to a runner who didn't need to break stride. Getting through the game unscathed will be a huge relief for him.
Schulz - Good solid game at CHB. Combined with Silvester set up a brick wall across HB. Will probably keep his spot in the side now. Great goal in the last btw.
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I take it Casserly was injured again at training the other day? :P
Sounds like it. He can't take a trick :-\.
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Petts avoid the contested footy and it results in a Collingwood goal. Siren
and that's why he should stay at coburg
omg am i seeing things or do we finally agree on one thing.
does any one know the severity of hughes injury??
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Tigers claw pitiful Pies
abc.net.au
May 10, 2008
Coburg put in a dominant performance across the ground to run out comfortable 53-point winners over a disappointing Collingwood outfit at Coburg City Oval today.
For the second time in successive weeks, the Magpies were competitive in the first half before being blown away late, conceding nine goals in the second half while managing only four, the final margin flattering thanks to two late consolation goals.
The Tigers always looked the better side, their strong contingent of AFL-listed players leading the way. Greg Tivendale and Kayne Pettifer were outstanding, Tivendale in particular brilliant in a best-on-ground performance. He was everywhere, particularly in the first half, while Pettifer was also busy with 25 possessions and two goals.
Also catching the eyes of coach Jade Rawlings and Richmond mentor Terry Wallace would have been the performances of Graham Polak and Joel Bowden, both of whom put in strong showings. Bowden, playing forward, proved far too much for the Collingwood defence and if not for some wayward kicking could have done far better than his three-goals-five, while Polak’s strong marking was a standout.
The Magpies, on the other hand, had few winners, with only Ryan Lonie, Ben Reid and Rohan Frost able to hold their heads high after an otherwise disappointing performance.
It didn’t start that way, the Pies with the better of a scrappy opening ten minutes - Jaxson Barham showed shades of father Ricky with a brilliant blind turn and goal to put the first major on the board. From there, it was goal-for-goal, Tivendale brilliant with two including a gem from long range.
Both teams battled hard in an entertaining second term, trading majors as the tempo rose, several scuffles breaking out. By half time, the game was still in the balance, Coburg leading by 13 but by no means in control.
That changed after the break, however, a five goal third term setting up the Tigers’ big victory. While the Richmond contingent still led the way, Jay Schulz and Polak again busy, it was Fortunato Caruso that took the game away from the Magpies. The Coburg terrier was in everything, his pressure and run helping his side to a healthy lead at the last change.
Four Tigers goals to start the fourth saw the game well and truly over, and it could have been worse for the Pies had Bowden not kicked 1.3. In the end it was of little consequence though, Coburg far too good and Collingwood with plenty to think about before next weeks clash with Casey.
http://blogs.abc.net.au/grandstand/2008/05/tigers-claw-pit.html?site=afl_vfl
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does any one know the severity of hughes injury??
BF saying Cleve's eye is okay but he's done a hammy :(.
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I'll also be following JONs game closely tomorrow. We need to make sure we find out as a club if this boy can play or not.
the boy can play! jon wasa very good yesterday. his body is developing, his fumbling less and his kicking was a tgreat. this kid is going to shut a few mouths up. great game by jon yesterday. best part about this kid, is he holds his own and never makes a backward step and has a bit of fire in him. which is not common with many indiginous players.
now about polo, he showed fantastic signs also. i know he will be a gem because he is a playe that always seems to have time and is composed and is hard at it, wont be long he will fight his way into the team, we are creating a list with alot of depth, its very obvious to see
cogs, he may just prove me wrong, his inside work and handball releases were a treat. he does not handball the ball to teammates that are "hot" he looks further and and makes a longer handpass to someone in space, his vision was fantastic, lets pray his body holds up
cotchin............well well well. didnt he make some of us cream ourselves with his disposal and clearance work. watching him stream out of the centre and fire bullet lace out passes to our forwards was something that was just orgasmic. this kid just does not stuff up. its going to be fun in a yr or 2 when its going to be the media saying how the blues stuffed up cos the cotch should have been no1 pick. the debate wont b/w tambling and buddy will be forgotten and it will be the cotch kruezer one ! mt called it all last yr, lets get the cotch to tigerland and i bet he is creaming more than me. this kid IS going to be a star! AND IS READY FOR AFL NOW
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JON was good yesterday give him that, BUT he has a long way to go before he starts silencing his critics.
It's great to see him play well but its only VFL, he needs to have that kind of influence on an AFL game at some stage this year before you start getting carried away.
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Watched the whole game too and agree with most of what has been said.
Cothin is going to be a good one, I have no doubt
I love Polaks hands but to me he just does not seem to be a natural foward. If he takes a grab he is always looking to dish off instead of kicking the goal himslef. Maybe he lacks confidance in his goal kicking but to me he just seems to have a backmans metality with a fowards ability to take a grab. Anybody else notice this??
I love big guys but Graham did not do much I dont think, Cartlidge won the ruck easy and might be worth keeping after this year as Insurance.
Think both Bowden and Tivendale did enough to be recalled and I do like the way they have treated going back. Bowden did plenty to encorage the younger players around him.
Not sold on Polo yet and Coggs has a long way to go. JOH may have something afterall but I am not getting carried away with one game at this level.
Anyway the second half was good to watch for all tigers suporters. :gotigers of all types
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jon has been going nicely all yr
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jon has been going nicely all yr
No. He hasn't.
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yes he has
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btw, i have seen a few of his games abd trust me over you jezza
and if the coaches and development staff at tigerland are happy with his progress, who are you to judge
his disposal was very very good yesterday and he will be a future goodes, wait and see
just let his body and confidence develop and he will shut u up
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It was a good win. Enjoyed it immensly :thumbsup
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good on tivendale for having a good game but sheesh we already know what he's gonna bring to the side why do we persist giving him chances.
throughout the match he still gave us some of those "tivendale moments" which you can get away with at this level but as we've witnessed over many painful years, it rips your heart out when it happens in AFL.
Please please, i hope they dont consider a good game against the Collingwood Witches Hats as fodder for a promotion :pray
give a kid a break, give em that vital experience they need, move forward, meh Tivendale, he's not our future.
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he wasnt even bog, sure he was good at that level but he was not bog
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oh yeah and the umpires sure did over officiate the first 3 quarters.
it was like almost every contested situation the whistle blew :banghead
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he wasnt even bog, sure he was good at that level but he was not bog
who you talkin bout X???
tivendale???
i know he wasnt BOG but what has that got to do with it???
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
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Tivs disposal to the leading fwds yesterday was nothing short of fantastic and i wouldnt be surprised to see him in the seniors next week if a spot opens up for him.
Jake King is hoping to play next week, thats what he said yesterday :thumbsup
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no chance
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
:thumbsup
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I've watched him a few times this year X and that's the first geniune GOOD game he's had. In others, he's done some good things, but way too many bad things as well. Yesterday was great because it was almost error free and he trusted his instincts when he had the ball.
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I've watched him a few times this year X and that's the first geniune GOOD game he's had. In others, he's done some good things, but way too many bad things as well. Yesterday was great because it was almost error free and he trusted his instincts when he had the ball.
Players like Tivs, such as Peverill for the Dons these days, need sensational games two weeks in a row for a sniff at promotion as the clubs have the kids in line first.
He'll play at the G next week but I doubt it will be at a 2:10 start.
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
Disagree strongly, Tiv is the most successful Rookie in RFC history (perhaps even AFL history apart from Robbo) so he should be given a late season game and a deserved send off as a playing club life member, particularly if finals are not on the agenda.
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
Disagree strongly, Tiv is the most successful Rookie in RFC history (perhaps even AFL history apart from Robbo) so he should be given a late season game and a deserved send off as a playing club life member, particularly if finals are not on the agenda.
you and others on this forum need to get over your love affair with tivendale.
forget it pal so your saying you got to give a game to every player who performs the amount of games tivers has. get over him mate!!
nice guy but nice guys dont win flags!! goodbye
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
Disagree strongly, Tiv is the most successful Rookie in RFC history (perhaps even AFL history apart from Robbo) so he should be given a late season game and a deserved send off as a playing club life member, particularly if finals are not on the agenda.
you and others on this forum need to get over your love affair with tivendale.
forget it pal so your saying you got to give a game to every player who performs the amount of games tivers has. get over him mate!!
nice guy but nice guys dont win flags!! goodbye
You & your skateboard may face the dawn of reality of playing an actual team sport within a club environment rather than constructing an artificial reality on playstation!! Hello
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
Disagree strongly, Tiv is the most successful Rookie in RFC history (perhaps even AFL history apart from Robbo) so he should be given a late season game and a deserved send off as a playing club life member, particularly if finals are not on the agenda.
you and others on this forum need to get over your love affair with tivendale.
forget it pal so your saying you got to give a game to every player who performs the amount of games tivers has. get over him mate!!
nice guy but nice guys dont win flags!! goodbye
You & your skateboard may face the dawn of reality of playing an actual team sport within a club environment rather than constructing an artificial relaity on playstation!! Hello
relaity i didn't realise that was a word u dyslectic tool.
hahahahaha
i repeat now this time read carefully. Tivendale does not deserve another game for the Richmond Football Club.
His time has passed. Look at the hawks and how they got rid of Nick Holland and J. Barker.
If we are to move forward it is without the services of this man.
Like i said nice guy i have met him before but nice guys are NOT going to win us games now are they.
I hope you understood all that, if not ill go slower.. :thumbsup
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cotchin............well well well. didnt he make some of us cream ourselves with his disposal and clearance work. watching him stream out of the centre and fire bullet lace out passes to our forwards was something that was just orgasmic. this kid just does not stuff up. its going to be fun in a yr or 2 when its going to be the media saying how the blues stuffed up cos the cotch should have been no1 pick. the debate wont b/w tambling and buddy will be forgotten and it will be the cotch kruezer one ! mt called it all last yr, lets get the cotch to tigerland and i bet he is creaming more than me. this kid IS going to be a star! AND IS READY FOR AFL NOW
LOL I'm controlling myself ;D. What Cotch did was all class but he did 'only' get 15 disposals and he was held in the first half. IMO give Cotch another week at Coburg and then unleash him against the bombers and see how his current underdone fitness levels stack up in an AFL game.
On JON - I still want to see him play well like that in a game with far more realistic pressure rather than black and white witches hats. The question marks on JON IMO are his footskills and decision making fall away badly under a bit of physical pressure. Saturday's game didn't test that for me.
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
The sad reality for Tivs is that bold statement is probably not far from the truth, especially with the cubs also putting their hands up for promotion. The kids will get preference and in terms of the club's future rightly so. Credit to Tivs though for not sulking in the VFL and instead performing well each week.
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
Disagree strongly, Tiv is the most successful Rookie in RFC history (perhaps even AFL history apart from Robbo) so he should be given a late season game and a deserved send off as a playing club life member, particularly if finals are not on the agenda.
you and others on this forum need to get over your love affair with tivendale.
forget it pal so your saying you got to give a game to every player who performs the amount of games tivers has. get over him mate!!
nice guy but nice guys dont win flags!! goodbye
You & your skateboard may face the dawn of reality of playing an actual team sport within a club environment rather than constructing an artificial relaity on playstation!! Hello
relaity i didn't realise that was a word u dyslectic tool.
hahahahaha
i repeat now this time read carefully. Tivendale does not deserve another game for the Richmond Football Club.
His time has passed. Look at the hawks and how they got rid of Nick Holland and J. Barker.
If we are to move forward it is without the services of this man.
Like i said nice guy i have met him before but nice guys are NOT going to win us games now are they.
I hope you understood all that, if not ill go slower.. :thumbsup
OK EA sports, so you finally found a place to put your thumb (apart from your snotty nose).
Let me annunciate the context of the situation ...
A club has 44 players on list.
If a player of some 180 games and 10 years experience continues to set the standard in the feeder competition he becomes a learning resource ...
And if, in a sporting club environment, he continues to display that form and leadership throughout the season of some 20-odd games, then YES, he deserves some form of platitude for services rendered, particularly if warranted, selection in the 1st side to which he has rendered said service.
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People we can discuss differing opinions without the namecalling!!!!!
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People we can discuss differing opinions without the namecalling!!!!!
Agreed, the EA sports console actually takes effort to plug the thing in, rather than be an apologist verbatim to 'lil Jak.
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Jake King is hoping to play next week, thats what he said yesterday :thumbsup
:pray
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Tivendale does not deserve another game for the Richmond Football Club.
His time has passed. Look at the hawks and how they got rid of Nick Holland and J. Barker.
John Barker played a farewell game - round 22, 2006.
Hawthorn wanted Nick Holland to play in 2005 because he was on $600,000 for the last year of his back-ended contract but he was injured.
Your examples don't support your point. In fact, they are contrary to it.
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just making a point, tiv won th ebog medal and imo was not bog
but even if he was bog 10 weeks running at vfl, im with u, no way should he ever play for the rfc again. cotchin, connors, polo etc etc all should get a game over tiv, no matter how good he may appear at vfl
Disagree strongly, Tiv is the most successful Rookie in RFC history (perhaps even AFL history apart from Robbo) so he should be given a late season game and a deserved send off as a playing club life member, particularly if finals are not on the agenda.
get ur hand off it
tiv the most successful rookie in afl, pigs bum, dont you remember he played most of those games in a team that was the worst in recent afl history, just as bad as teh pathetic st kilda teams of the past
the only, and i stress the only reason tiv played and was gifted GIFTED so many afl games was because he played for richmond. no where else he would have played so many games
now thursty and foley have only played a handful of games compared to tiv, and they are already to rookie listed players who are far greater than tivs
tiv does not deserve a farewell game, the day he is delisted the club should throw a party , not celebrating his career, but a party for getting rid of another piece of cancer, a tumor, that has been festering at the club for way too long
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Tivs gunna get a call up this week just for you X ;D if he played at another club he would have been trained better & would have been a better player withon a confident team, other clubs regard him as dangerous as he can kick goals from long range & finds the ball easy.
Go Tivvy :lol :lol :lol :thumbsup X is waiting to see your elusive skills ;D
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Tivendale does not deserve another game for the Richmond Football Club.
His time has passed. Look at the hawks and how they got rid of Nick Holland and J. Barker.
John Barker played a farewell game - round 22, 2006.
Hawthorn wanted Nick Holland to play in 2005 because he was on $600,000 for the last year of his back-ended contract but he was injured.
Your examples don't support your point. In fact, they are contrary to it.
big deal okay barker got one and holland didn't. so im half right.
I can think of so many examples, how about Lance Whitnall, he never got one.
All im trying to say is if his form seems to be mickey mouse at coburg but he is found out when he plays for the seniors.
His time has passed and you need to get over him.
How can you not want a Matty White or Edwards playing in the team ahead of tivers i will never know...
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Cotchin is already too good for the VFL level.
He's just not fit enough at this stage.
He did a few things that lesser players just couldn't cope with and weren't expecting.
JON was very good as well, he finds the ball easy enough, the only time he looks awkward is when he doesn't take the first option.
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I know others will not agree but I think that the coaching staff has got to send a message to all of the players no matter who. If you go back to VFL (or are there now) and you perform, if there is a spot then you will get picked for the AFL. There must be this motivation. Imagine if guys like Jack or McGuanne or any of the younger guys got sent back to the VFL after a few bad weeks and didnt think they had chance to get back ito AFL if they performed. This rule must be for everybody on list if you have played zero games or 230.
Bowden and Tivs did thier bit and athough I agree Tivs is not part of our future, that motivation of playing well and getting called has to be part of our future. As such he should get called up.
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I know others will not agree but I think that the coaching staff has got to send a message to all of the players no matter who. If you go back to VFL (or are there now) and you perform, if there is a spot then you will get picked for the AFL. There must be this motivation. Imagine if guys like Jack or McGuanne or any of the younger guys got sent back to the VFL after a few bad weeks and didnt think they had chance to get back ito AFL if they performed. This rule must be for everybody on list if you have played zero games or 230.
Bowden and Tivs did thier bit and athough I agree Tivs is not part of our future, that motivation of playing well and getting called has to be part of our future. As such he should get called up.
disagree
When the players you talk about are perennial underperformers in the worst performed team of the last 30 years, there should be a different set of rules for them.\
As such tivs Bowden and Petts all need to do more to get a game IMHO. Cotch Connors Polo should all get games ahead of them IMHO
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As such tivs Bowden and Petts all need to do more to get a game IMHO. Cotch Connors Polo should all get games ahead of them IMHO
Ok you disagree, I have no problems there. But then please tell me what they have to do to get called up? I would never say Bowden has been a "perennial underperformer". Sure he has not been good this year and his style of play does not suit everybody (looks lazy and soft) but he has been one of our best (of a bad bunch) for a long time.
Even though I liked what I saw of Cotch I think he needs a few weeks at this level first. If he does what he did in the second half for a whole game then call him up for sure, but lets see he is match fit and getting used to the pace first. This kid will be a star so no hurry. Polo and Connors did not do anywhere near enough to get games. What message does it send to players if you call up those who are not in the best group ?
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As such tivs Bowden and Petts all need to do more to get a game IMHO. Cotch Connors Polo should all get games ahead of them IMHO
Richmond have played better with Petts and Bowden in the VFL, and Coburg has struggled a little with Bowden and Petts in the team.
Coburg ressies?
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His time has passed and you need to get over him.
How can you not want a Matty White or Edwards playing in the team ahead of tivers i will never know...
Haha! That's quite funny coming from someone who always asks people to re-read his posts. ;D
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I was impressed by our forward set up. Rawlings is a good coach.
Hughes out of FF looked impressive. Richmond has a spot in the forward line for abit more hight. We have looked a tall forward short. Hughes, Polak or Bowden should be be putting their and up for that role.
Bowden has a future at Richmond IMO. 25 odd touches on a forward flank - gave 2 goals off, marked/led well, had 8 shots himself. Strong, classy and smart.
Connors and JON were both in our best IMO.
Cartledge is our 3rd best ruck.
Good to see Polo tagging well and getting a touch himself.
Pettifer is soft. Did 4 or 5 squib things. Delist for Collard. Tivendale I don't hate - but has found his level at VFL. Both selfish footballers, who should not be part of future.
Cotchin and Cogs were good in 2nd half. :cheers
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;D ;D :rollin