One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 09, 2009, 05:26:51 AM
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It's JON's 21st birthday today :birthday.
What are your expectations for him this year and what would be a good year?
Career so far
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B
2006 4 4.3 2.0 0.5 0.1
2007 3 7.3 6.0 1.7 0.0
2008 2 10.0 5.0 1.0 0.0
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1638&SeasonID=ALL
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Will have a good year.......FOR COBERG.!!!!
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Will have a good year.......FOR COBERG.!!!!
My expectations are for JON to be traded/delisted at the end of the season. :banghead
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well if he gets a game in the seniors it will be nice if he gets to kick his 1st goal but me thinks he will be playing for Coburg and the occasional mention as an emergency he is one player that will need to come on in leaps and bounds to get a permanent role in the side and to think he was once classed with the potential to be another Adam Goodes now he is the whipping boy for the Richmond Footy Club supporters go get some advice from Tivs JON
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Was disappointed when we didnt take shannon hurn instead, it was a clear mistake, even to amateur recruiting watchers like myself. Whilst Hurn hasnt set the world on fire atleast he is a reliable player who will play 150 afl games.
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I expect Sheedy to have already started mentoring him.
If Sheedy can't get anything out of him, then no-one can.
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To me JON is like baking a cake from a cook book. You have all the ingredients, high expectations, cook it for the suggested time, but when you pull it out of the oven it's as flat as a pancake!
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10-12 senior games as a running HF :thumbsup
Just gotta believe ;) ;D
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To me JON is like baking a cake from a cook book. You have all the ingredients, high expectations, cook it for the suggested time, but when you pull it out of the oven it's as flat as a pancake!
Sad, but unfortunately appears to be true. Unless as Wayne said, Sheeds can spend some one-on-one with him and get a result. At face value, much of his problem appears to be in the head so who knows.
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he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.
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JON would need to play 6 or more AFL games and show something worthwhile in them to survive. Terry has always told us at training "wait 4 years". Well 4 years has now arrived. I don't think JON will be a Tiger in 2010. Too many flaws in his game for AFL level especially disposal by foot and his decision making.
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he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
gold
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he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.
Interesting comparison!!!
JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.
He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.
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he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.
Interesting comparison!!!
JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.
He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!
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None.
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I am taking your comment as genuine although I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be a humourous comment. A smiley would have helped. Anyway I will bite.
JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.
I think that comment belongs on the "everything is TW's fault" thread.
He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.
What expectation should we place on a four year player former first round draft pick?, he should be starting to show something by now. Unlike the Cats we cant afford to carry passengers.
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he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.
Interesting comparison!!!
JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.
He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.
your right its not JON's fault, he is just a very very average footballer taken by a club who has failed year after year at the draft table.
he is one of the weakest footballers i have seen in my life, right up there with Fiora.
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None.
I expect twice that
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Maybe he can paint....
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Had hopes, but maybe looks like I was wrong this time around. Too many up and comers around the place now, unless he extricates the digit and steps up immensly I think it's curtains for Jarrod Oakley Nicholls
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JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.
I think that comment belongs on the "everything is TW's fault" thread.
I think that comment belongs on the "everytime TW gets a hint of criticism, i throw a hissy fit thread"
We have a good coach - not great but good. Player development has been an issue, heres hoping this year we nip it in the bud.
He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.
What expectation should we place on a four year player former first round draft pick?, he should be starting to show something by now. Unlike the Cats we cant afford to carry passengers.
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He has been in the system for 3 seasons and is now entering his 4th season. We all know he is not a top 10 pick - there are still supporters out there who think that is the basis for judging his playing ability. It is on that basis I make the comment that expectations are too high.
Like the Cats who we have modelled our list on, we have recruited a number of younger players who are developing at very different rates - Andrew Mackie is one example of a player who has developed at a much slower rate than say a Joel Selwood.
JON may not make the cut, we'll find out this year. He is a bit of a whipping boy for Tiger fans and I feel a bit for the poor bugger, maybe he should have been given 32!!!
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Y&B,
It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW. Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.
If you think JON's a whipping boy then how about TW, I dont think anyone over the last four years has copped as much as him at Tigerland. Also in regards to player development a lot of players dont cut it at AFL level, sad fact but true, it is never going to be nipped in the bud and with our youngsters coming through I cant see how you can say it is a problem.
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It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW. Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.
It's only Terry's fault if he plays him.
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he is one of the weakest footballers i have seen in my life, right up there with Fiora.
So playing a game with a cracked bone in your forearm is weak ???
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Y&B,
It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW. Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.
If you think JON's a whipping boy then how about TW, I dont think anyone over the last four years has copped as much as him at Tigerland. Also in regards to player development a lot of players dont cut it at AFL level, sad fact but true, it is never going to be nipped in the bud and with our youngsters coming through I cant see how you can say it is a problem.
Its TW's fault as he was instrumental in picking this dud. Stop making excuses for your love child
So funny as one by one you are all turning on this dud of a footballer. I have said it from Day one he is a dud and now you are finally starting to see it too.
Jordy Mcmahon, Fiora and Pettifer before him are in the same boat IMO. Tambling might be joining that group also if he doesn't pull his finger out.
Too many 50kilo passengers at punt road and not enough of the Richo type.
Tambling is
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Its TW's fault as he was instrumental in picking this dud. Stop making excuses for your love child
I think you'll find this one falls squarely at the feet of Miller/Jackson daniel boon.
Like I said it's only Terry's fault if he picks him on match day.
Thankfully I don't expect that to happen this year.
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A friend mentioned at training yesterday that with JON being taken inside the top 10 the Club must have judged him off a highlights package like the ones you see on youtube or we went for the potential athletic X-factor over genuine footy ability. Our recruiting resources have really only noticably improved in the last 2 years although we are yet to fully be in a position to judge. It's not JON's fault clubs saw him as a top 10 pick but he cops the stuff for it. He should have been a taken as a rookie for someone with as many flaws as JON and then the expectations would have been low. Even yesterday at training he was making the same poor decision of stopping, running back and sideways into trouble and trying to thread a ball through 3 defenders when instead he could have had what seemed the more obvious shot at goal from 40m out on his right foot :-\.
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Like it or not JON was a pretty highly rated junior by many junior talent watchers. Certainly not by all, but those who did like him had very high expectations. People just have short term memories and then change their view of the past to suit their current beliefs.
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Its TW's fault as he was instrumental in picking this dud. Stop making excuses for your love child
So funny as one by one you are all turning on this dud of a footballer. I have said it from Day one he is a dud and now you are finally starting to see it too.
Even if he doesnt make AFL level he is still a good footballer and probably better than 95%+ of other senior footballers going around other senior comps.
Just because he is not AFL standard is no cause to denigrate a person as I am sure he is just trying to do his best. He has made an AFL list which only a very small proportion of junior footballers do, he is not a dud just not up to AFL standard (at this stage)
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Good to see him make the squad agains Freo. Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.
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Good to see him make the squad agains Freo. Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.
We are down the track.
Make or break season for young Jarrad.
Needs to show dramatic improvement this season if he's to stay on the list in '10.
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Good to see him make the squad agains Freo. Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.
First thing i did with this comment is save it ready to replay it again this year.
You have got to be joking. JOn couldn't get a root in a brothel let alone kick a goal without pooting his pants.
He is NOT a AFL footballer. Get over it you and face facts that he is rubbish
Edit: Please let the swear filter do its job
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Good to see him make the squad agains Freo. Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.
First thing i did with this comment is save it ready to replay it again this year.
You have got to be joking. JOn couldn't get a root in a brothel let alone kick a goal without pooting his pants.
He is NOT a AFL footballer. Get over it you and face facts that he is rubbish
Nothing wrong with being optimistic at this time of the year
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You have got to be joking. JOn couldn't get a root in a brothel
Speaking from experience Danny?
:wallywink
and no before you say it I never have and never will
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Good to see him make the squad agains Freo. Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.
First thing i did with this comment is save it ready to replay it again this year.
You have got to be joking. JOn couldn't get a root in a brothel let alone kick a goal without pooting his pants.
He is NOT a AFL footballer. Get over it you and face facts that he is rubbish
The manner you write suggests that either a visit to a brothel or a bit of wrist relief may be in order.....
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Y&B,
It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW. Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.
If you think JON's a whipping boy then how about TW, I dont think anyone over the last four years has copped as much as him at Tigerland. Also in regards to player development a lot of players dont cut it at AFL level, sad fact but true, it is never going to be nipped in the bud and with our youngsters coming through I cant see how you can say it is a problem.
Coaches are called coaches for a reason, most professional athletes have them.
TW may be a whipping boy but he is a 50 year old man with 30 years in this industry earning significant coin. I'm sure he can handle it.
JON on the other hand, is a kid and I pray doesn't have to read half the unfair dribble that is written about him.
Do you seriously think it is okay to bag him on the one hand and defend Terry Wallace on the other?
Maybe his best is not at AFL standard, maybe it is. His attitude seems genuine and if he makes it, good luck to him. If he doesn't, the kid to me has a bit of dignity and shows a lot more class than some of gutter posters who bag him out.
Edit: fixed quoting
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Good to see him make the squad agains Freo. Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.
First thing i did with this comment is save it ready to replay it again this year.
You have got to be joking. JOn couldn't get a root in a brothel let alone kick a goal without sh.itting his pants.
He is NOT a AFL footballer. Get over it you and face facts that he is rubbish
The manner you write suggests that either a visit to a brothel or a bit of wrist relief may be in order.....
at least i have a wrist to snap off. Yours has probably snapped permanently due to overuse. Poor lonely man i feel for u
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at least i have a wrist to snap off.
...and u snap it off 5 times a day... :shh
Yours has probably snapped permanently due to overuse.
what u hate in yourself,u despise in others
Poor lonely man i feel for u
5 times a day.
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he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.
failed year after year at the draft table.
he is one of the weakest footballers i have seen in my life, right up there with Fiora.
He is not weak.
I saw him break his shoulder 10 secs into a game when he went in for the hard ball.
Not very good, but not soft.
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Jarrad better show something, because he is not going to be at Tigerland in 2010!
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Leave the guttertalk and personal infighting out of the topic discussion thanks ::) :banghead
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Do you seriously think it is okay to bag him on the one hand and defend Terry Wallace on the other?
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No I dont think it is OK to bag him unfairly or bring his character into disrepute and I dont believe I ever have. What I saw as unfair was your original comment of blaming TW for JON's lack of ability to break it into the AFL. He was a first round highly regarded draft pick and like it or lump has expectations attached accordingly.
I think you are over rating the effect of one person in a AFL footballers development over a three year period. Do you think if JON doesn't make it as an AFL footballer he will say it was the fault of TW?, if he has the dignity and class you credit him with and the honesty then he shouldnt.
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I think he will make one hell of a good bench warmer for the players coming off for a break.
So not much at all. I still can't see why we retained his services.
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Do you seriously think it is okay to bag him on the one hand and defend Terry Wallace on the other?
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No I dont think it is OK to bag him unfairly or bring his character into disrepute and I dont believe I ever have. What I saw as unfair was your original comment of blaming TW for JON's lack of ability to break it into the AFL. He was a first round highly regarded draft pick and like it or lump has expectations attached accordingly.
I think you are over rating the effect of one person in a AFL footballers development over a three year period. Do you think if JON doesn't make it as an AFL footballer he will say it was the fault of TW?, if he has the dignity and class you credit him with and the honesty then he shouldnt.
Chuck, JON did not pick himself as 8 in that draft, so you are bagging a bloke over something he has no control over.
Please read my original comment regarding TW's involvement in developing a talent, not being responsible for his ability.
Every player's ability is their own, how they apply that talent is something that the coach should try encourage, cajole, needle, harass or somehow extract from them.
But lets agree to disagree, you seem to think that it is okay to hold a 21 year old responsible for his draft pick and use that as a basis for taking pot shots at him and yet you fiercely defend ANY criticism of a coach that has been in the game for 30 years which includes 4 years at Richmond with a winning rate at under 40% over that period.
Whatever Chuck.
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Do you seriously think it is okay to bag him on the one hand and defend Terry Wallace on the other?
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No I dont think it is OK to bag him unfairly or bring his character into disrepute and I dont believe I ever have. What I saw as unfair was your original comment of blaming TW for JON's lack of ability to break it into the AFL. He was a first round highly regarded draft pick and like it or lump has expectations attached accordingly.
I think you are over rating the effect of one person in a AFL footballers development over a three year period. Do you think if JON doesn't make it as an AFL footballer he will say it was the fault of TW?, if he has the dignity and class you credit him with and the honesty then he shouldnt.
Chuck, JON did not pick himself as 8 in that draft, so you are bagging a bloke over something he has no control over.
Please read my original comment regarding TW's involvement in developing a talent, not being responsible for his ability.
Every player's ability is their own, how they apply that talent is something that the coach should try encourage, cajole, needle, harass or somehow extract from them.
But lets agree to disagree, you seem to think that it is okay to hold a 21 year old responsible for his draft pick and use that as a basis for taking pot shots at him and yet you fiercely defend ANY criticism of a coach that has been in the game for 30 years which includes 4 years at Richmond with a winning rate at under 40% over that period.
Whatever Chuck.
so let me get this right.
Its not JON's fault he is a crap footballer that 15 other clubs would have delisted years ago. Fair enough he didn't pick himself at 8.
Its not Tw's fault for extracting SFA in this footballer over 4 years.
Its not miller's fault for drafting the dud himself.
Its no one's fault that we embarass ourselves by continuing to keep footballer's like this on our list.
FFS everyone take note HE IS poo. full stop no ifs no buts he is not fit to play for an AFL club.
The reason we have been so unsuccessful is by continuing to have these list cloggers around at our club.
Danny Meyer was not a favourite of mine, but next to JON he might as well be Gary Ablett JNR. How we chose JON over him is a joke.
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Danny Meyer was not a favourite of mine, but next to JON he might as well be Gary Ablett JNR. How we chose JON over him is a joke.
Who is your favourite player?
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I know you ain't asking me but I will tell you who mine is. It is Shane Tuck.
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It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW. Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.
It's only Terry's fault if he plays him.
I am being serious here, not argumentative.....how can Jons lack of progress be attributed to TW when Jon plays predominately for Coburg? Also how many coaches has Jon had at Coburg since being drafted? Is the inconsistency of coaches at Coburg a factor for Jon and therefore Cleve, Collins, Conners etc?
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I am being serious here, not argumentative.....how can Jons lack of progress be attributed to TW when Jon plays predominately for Coburg? Also how many coaches has Jon had at Coburg since being drafted? Is the inconsistency of coaches at Coburg a factor for Jon and therefore Cleve, Collins, Conners etc?
2 Coaches only
Andy Collins 2006-2007
Jade Rawlings 2008-
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I am being serious here, not argumentative.....how can Jons lack of progress be attributed to TW when Jon plays predominately for Coburg? Also how many coaches has Jon had at Coburg since being drafted? Is the inconsistency of coaches at Coburg a factor for Jon and therefore Cleve, Collins, Conners etc?
2 Coaches only
Andy Collins 2006-2007
Jade Rawlings 2008-
.Thanks Wp! But still the TW question anyone?
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It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW. Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.
It's only Terry's fault if he plays him.
I am being serious here, not argumentative.....how can Jons lack of progress be attributed to TW when Jon plays predominately for Coburg? Also how many coaches has Jon had at Coburg since being drafted? Is the inconsistency of coaches at Coburg a factor for Jon and therefore Cleve, Collins, Conners etc?
Its not just TW's job to mature and develop JON. its rawlings also.
They have spent so much time and effort on this kid and it has done SFA. He is no good at AFL level, stop fighting with yourselves boys.
i knew it 3 years ago and its a shame some of you who seem so bright cant see it. The talent is NOT there and it doesn't matter if King Sheedy was the coach he should not have been drafted from day one.
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Danny Meyer was not a favourite of mine, but next to JON he might as well be Gary Ablett JNR. How we chose JON over him is a joke.
Who is your favourite player?
great question!!!
who else RICHO!! Always has been and always will be.
the guy has carried this team through its darkest years and even when he was supreme NEVER left for better coin.
He is a gem and an awesome bloke to boot.
If we had 21 of him on the field i really believe we would be winning flags most years or at least playing finals year in year out.
Lids is another favourite. Will win a brownlow very soon and should be our next captain.
Moore, Axel(Although had a soft year), Newman, Simmo, Thursfield and even Jack at times last year proved how valuable they will be going forward.
White will be so crucial for us around the goals. Milne type but quicker and gets more of the ball.
Players who disappoint me are your Jordy Mcmahon's, Tambling, JON, Cleve Hughes and Patto.
I just hope one of Cleve or Tambling or even both come through. Both will determine if we regulary make finals, especially when the big man retires.
There is not a hope in hell for JON or Patto and Jordy was a wasted pick. So weak and timid.
Like many before him we will NEVER learn picking up these skinny 60kg's useless players who have not got a defensive bone in their body.
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Danny Meyer was not a favourite of mine, but next to JON he might as well be Gary Ablett JNR. How we chose JON over him is a joke.
Who is your favourite player?
who else RICHO!! Always has been and always will be.
He is a gem and an awesome bloke to root.
You wish :rollin
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Danny Meyer was not a favourite of mine, but next to JON he might as well be Gary Ablett JNR. How we chose JON over him is a joke.
Who is your favourite player?
who else RICHO!! Always has been and always will be.
He is a gem and an awesome bloke to root.
You wish :rollin
ask ur mrs she will confirm, she went there just b4 me as she always does. Dirty thing that she is
:moi
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Back to the topic folks :banghead
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can I suggest you idiots all leave our players backsides alone :gotigers
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Back to the topic folks :banghead
I as we all are following one team. So why be at each others throats.
And the way this started was by the wrong click on the keyboard, and that was all.
And I'm sure we all have done it as I know for a fact that I have done it more times than I care to remember.
I might of been able to at one stage but things like that I forget rather quick now.
So as I saids we all are on the same team and we are not Carlton.
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I am being serious here, not argumentative.....how can Jons lack of progress be attributed to TW when Jon plays predominately for Coburg? Also how many coaches has Jon had at Coburg since being drafted? Is the inconsistency of coaches at Coburg a factor for Jon and therefore Cleve, Collins, Conners etc?
2 Coaches only
Andy Collins 2006-2007
Jade Rawlings 2008-
.Thanks Wp! But still the TW question anyone?
The TW question is based on JON still being on the list, if TW did not think this player good enough to have a future then the right thing for club, coach and player would be to de-list him.
The coach is backing this player to develop and deliver as a senior player - has not given up on him. In order for that to happen, he will need a fairly steep improvement.
JON is responsible ultimately to make it happen, but by not delisting him, Plough is backing his coaching panel - including himself as the head coach to facilitate that development.
So it is not just up to TW and I've never said that, just that the kid should not feel alone here.