Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls - 2009 expectations?

[Chuck17]

I am taking your comment as genuine although I wouldn't be surprised if it was meant to be a humourous comment. A smiley would have helped. Anyway I will bite.

JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.

I think that comment belongs on the "everything is TW's fault" thread.

He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.

What expectation should we place on a four year player former first round draft pick?, he should be starting to show something by now.  Unlike the Cats we cant afford to carry passengers.

[Francois Jackson]

he's lke a marijuana plant that has big buds but when u actually smoke them,u just can't get high.

Interesting comparison!!!

JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.

He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.

your right its not JON's fault, he is just a very very average footballer taken by a club who has failed year after year at the draft table.

he is one of the weakest footballers i have seen in my life, right up there with Fiora.

[Fluffy Tiger]

None.

I expect twice that

[Ox]

Maybe he can paint....

[cub]

Had hopes, but maybe looks like I was wrong this time around. Too many up and comers around the place now, unless he extricates the digit and steps up immensly I think it's curtains for Jarrod Oakley Nicholls

[yellowandback]

JONs problem is not just his own, I suspect that he is not well managed by the coach and would be much better placed on list with a lot more experience and depth - like say the Cats.

I think that comment belongs on the "everything is TW's fault" thread.

I think that comment belongs on the "everytime TW gets a hint of criticism, i throw a hissy fit thread"

We have a good coach - not great but good. Player development has been an issue, heres hoping this year we nip it in the bud.

He is too exposed to unrealistically high expectations at a club like Richmond.

What expectation should we place on a four year player former first round draft pick?, he should be starting to show something by now.  Unlike the Cats we cant afford to carry passengers.
[/quote]

He has been in the system for 3 seasons and is now entering his 4th season. We all know he is not a top 10 pick - there are still supporters out there who think that is the basis for judging his playing ability. It is on that basis I make the comment that expectations are too high.

Like the Cats who we have modelled our list on, we have recruited a number of younger players who are developing at very different rates - Andrew Mackie is one example of a player who has developed at a much slower rate than say a Joel Selwood.

JON may not make the cut, we'll find out this year.   He is a bit of a whipping boy for Tiger fans and I feel a bit for the poor bugger, maybe he should have been given 32!!!

[Chuck17]

Y&B,

It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW.  Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.

If you think JON's a whipping boy then how about TW, I dont think anyone over the last four years has copped as much as him at Tigerland.  Also in regards to player development a lot of players dont cut it at AFL level, sad fact but true, it is never going to be nipped in the bud and with our youngsters coming through I cant see how you can say it is a problem.

[Mr Magic]

It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW.  Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.

It's only Terry's fault if he plays him.

[WilliamPowell]

he is one of the weakest footballers i have seen in my life, right up there with Fiora.

So playing a game with a cracked bone in your forearm is weak ???

[Francois Jackson]

Y&B,

It humours me how TW's hand is cast in just about everything that goes wrong at Tigerland, I had never heard that JON's faults as a player could be directly linked to TW.  Now that I am informed though at least we have an explanation for his disposal and decision making skills, bad TW.

If you think JON's a whipping boy then how about TW, I dont think anyone over the last four years has copped as much as him at Tigerland.  Also in regards to player development a lot of players dont cut it at AFL level, sad fact but true, it is never going to be nipped in the bud and with our youngsters coming through I cant see how you can say it is a problem.

Its TW's fault as he was instrumental in picking this dud. Stop making excuses for your love child

So funny as one by one you are all turning on this dud of a footballer. I have said it from Day one he is a dud and now you are finally starting to see it too.

Jordy Mcmahon, Fiora and Pettifer before him are in the same boat IMO. Tambling might be joining that group also if he doesn't pull his finger out.

Too many 50kilo passengers at punt road and not enough of the Richo type.



Tambling is

[Mr Magic]

Its TW's fault as he was instrumental in picking this dud. Stop making excuses for your love child

I think you'll find this one falls squarely at the feet of Miller/Jackson daniel boon.

Like I said it's only Terry's fault if he picks him on match day.

Thankfully I don't expect that to happen this year.

[mightytiges]

A friend mentioned at training yesterday that with JON being taken inside the top 10 the Club must have judged him off a highlights package like the ones you see on youtube or we went for the potential athletic X-factor over genuine footy ability. Our recruiting resources have really only noticably improved in the last 2 years although we are yet to fully be in a position to judge. It's not JON's fault clubs saw him as a top 10 pick but he cops the flack for it. He should have been a taken as a rookie for someone with as many flaws as JON and then the expectations would have been low. Even yesterday at training he was making the same poor decision of stopping, running back and sideways into trouble and trying to thread a ball through 3 defenders when instead he could have had what seemed the more obvious shot at goal from 40m out on his right foot  .

[Infamy]

Like it or not JON was a pretty highly rated junior by many junior talent watchers. Certainly not by all, but those who did like him had very high expectations. People just have short term memories and then change their view of the past to suit their current beliefs.

[Chuck17]

Its TW's fault as he was instrumental in picking this dud. Stop making excuses for your love child

So funny as one by one you are all turning on this dud of a footballer. I have said it from Day one he is a dud and now you are finally starting to see it too.

Even if he doesnt make AFL level he is still a good footballer and probably better than 95%+ of other senior footballers going around other senior comps. 

Just because he is not AFL standard is no cause to denigrate a person as I am sure he is just trying to do his best.  He has made an AFL list which only a very small proportion of junior footballers do, he is not a dud just not up to AFL standard (at this stage)

[pmac21]

Good to see him make the squad agains Freo.  Still believe he has something to offer down the track as a forward.