Deledio Captain!!!

[Infamy]

Given how well he played in the one game he played as captain, I'd have no problem with him getting the nod full time
I'd rather trade Newman anyway

[Smokey]

Certainly don't agree with making someone captain to hang onto to them but I do believe he will make a very good captain

I was always of the opinion that we should have appointed a young captain this season, gone down the path did with a what was it 21y.o. Carey - who was an outstanding Captain. My view was with the extra responsibility of being Captain a number of things people are critical about would have been eradicated sooner ....

He captained the team in round 22 and did what he needed to do and that was lead and set an example the fact that his team mates didn't give a rats about anything on the night is not his fault.

I'm not saying that he can't or won't become a good captain but I want to see signs first.  Not just a game here or there - a full season followed by another full season then another.  That's how he will earn the respect required.  Yes, Cousins and Carey were young when appointed but they were made captain on the back of consistent game changing football - Deledio has only shown that spasmodically and only after a few 'rockets' apparently.  And when the final rocket coincides with contract renegotiation time I just can't help but feel nervous and not confident that he has learned any lesson, just got an egotistical fright.  I would love nothing more than Deledio to see 2008 as his watershed season and that he becomes the match-winning leader we are crying out for but it's not the right time yet for him to be considered for captaincy and it won't be in the short term foreseeable future, even if he gets it right in '09.

[TigerLand]

Lids does get harshly analyzed..

But thats football, every single player in the competition gets the knockers seeing that no1 is perfect and even the best every have parts of teh game to work on. Ablett gets "cheap" possessions and doesn't play the team game. Jono Brown sometimes misses easy shots and has games of 1.5 and 2.6 etc. Lockett had fitness problems and anger problems. Its just life guys I don't think we should be too upset when a 22 year old has things to work on.

Without looking to much into it thought he spoke rather well in front of a big crowd at the B&F night, think he needs to work on his humour a bit lol. I think the poor guy thought his jokes would have gone off a bit better then they did, still humorous though. The princess call was a shocker lol. I thought it was interesting when he thanked the coaches he only mentioned Jade and Campbell, he highlighted the job Jade did and thanked Wayne for helping him come a midfielder. Not reading anthing into it but I'm glad he didn't thank Terry.

There is certainly leadership qualities he still seems strangley confident but a bit gun shy at times, showing he really is still very young.

[Beren]

Lleyton used to hang on every word his dad said/do what the parents said. Bernard the same.
That's what I meant.

[WilliamPowell]

Lleyton used to hang on every word his dad said/do what the parents said. Bernard the same.
That's what I meant.

I am still a bit confused - sorry shocking week, brains not functioning to well at the minute 

So you are suggesting that Brett maybe too heavily influenced by his Dad or family?

I remember he thanked his Dad after last years B&F win so I reckon it is fair to assume he talks to his Dad alot about footy like alot of players probably do but I am not sure where/how that can create a comparison to Hewitt/Tomic

Sorry if I off on a different tangent 
 

[Beren]

So you are suggesting that Brett maybe too heavily influenced by his Dad or family?
 

Yes, have heard that from one or two different sources who should know.

I'm not making much sense this week either. Too much red.

[dogged]

What a load of crap you obviously have no  relationship with lids berens. He is his own man who tries to follow what the coaches want. I wish people would stop trying to pull our players down.

[dogged]

One or two sources who should know!! What rubbish........ hell I'm sick of this tall poppy rubbish

[Hellenic Tiger]

We have no natural leaders at Richmond other than Cuz.

Richo is a spiritual leader.

Newman is a timid and shy character who does not inspire confidence.
I don't think Lids has any natural leadership qualities yet. We need to find this character. In our clubs case it may not be the best player or one of the best 3 or 4 players but a solid citizen who demands the respect from his peers in much like the way Harley had it at Geelong in 2007.

[Beren]

What a load of crap you obviously have no  relationship with lids berens. He is his own man who tries to follow what the coaches want. I wish people would stop trying to pull our players down.

Am only reporting what I was told by those who have intimate knowledge of the lad & is commonly known around the Club. ("Obviously" is a word that should not be used when stating an opinion BTW. Oh and he stated himself he hadn't been following what the coaches wanted.)

Not trying to bring him down, so back off and build a bridge.

[Beren]

We have no natural leaders at Richmond other than Cuz.

Richo is a spiritual leader.

Newman is a timid and shy character who does not inspire confidence.
I don't think Lids has any natural leadership qualities yet. We need to find this character. In our clubs case it may not be the best player or one of the best 3 or 4 players but a solid citizen who demands the respect from his peers in much like the way Harley had it at Geelong in 2007.

From what I've seen and heard Cotch and Rance have that natural ability. Jacko was elevated to the leadrship group during the season so the boys obviously think he has some ability as a leader.

[WilliamPowell]

So you are suggesting that Brett maybe too heavily influenced by his Dad or family?
 

Yes, have heard that from one or two different sources who should know.

I'm not making much sense this week either. Too much red.

Sorry I have to admit I find it a very hard to believe to be honest and still think to use a comparison to Hewitt and expecially Tomic harsh to be honest.

With the Hewitt/Tomic scenario you are talking about overbearing (Tomic), full time travelling (Hewitt & Tomic) and ranting (Tomic again) tennis parents, don't see parents doing that in the AFL

[Smokey]

With the Hewitt/Tomic scenario you are talking about overbearing (Tomic), full time travelling (Hewitt & Tomic) and ranting (Tomic again) tennis parents, don't see parents doing that in the AFL

Damir and Mrs Cloke?   

[WilliamPowell]

Damir and Mrs Cloke?   

They would be the closest the AFL has to a Tomic/Hewitt scenario. Perhaps I should have inserted the word the "majority of parents"

But I don't think I ever heard the Clokes tell their sons to leave the field because an umpiring decsion has gone against them; like Tomic's father did early this year in Perth I think it was.

I don't see Damir heading onto Gosch's Paddock or Visy Park and training his sons seperately to the the rest of their team mates. There is a very interesting article in one of the papers about how Woodbridge (Aust Davis Cup) has had to tread very softly with dealing with Tomic as to not to upset his father, it is very similar to what used to happen to Phillouposis (sp?) years ago

I don't see the Clokes travelling all around the country side every time their sons play interstate - like the Hewitts do with Lleyton.

Do we see them at games yeah we do

Should Damir Cloke be managing his sons - no he shouldn't and yes some of his comments over the years have been cringe worthy and have made him and his family look like fools (hence why he's nickenamed Damir)

But I still think there is a massive difference between comparing football parents to the extreme cases in tennis in this case the Hewitt/Tomic models

[Smokey]

Agree WP.  I don't know what it is about professional tennis but gee they seem to have a disproportionate amount of ego-driven brats.