Richmond List of Retirements and Delistments

[Judge Roughneck]

are you now allowed to trade rookies for draft picks ?

should trade Wacko Jackson.

[Judge Roughneck]

so how does the list look now ?

Richo ?
Cousins
Simmonds ?
Tuck
Pettifer ?
Newman
McMahon ?
Moore
King
Polak ?
Silvester ?
Schultz ?

The next oldest on the list is Foley @ 23 yoa 

[mightytiges]

so how does the list look now ?

Richo ..... stay
Cousins .... stay
Simmonds .... should go
Tuck .... trade
Pettifer .... gone
Newman .... stay
McMahon .... trade 
Moore .... stay
King .... should go but he's got a contract and no trade value so he'll stay.
Polak .... gone sadly
Silvester .... gone
Schulz .... should go but he's got a contract

The next oldest on the list is Foley @ 23 yoa 

It's quite possible if we trade expendable players away that in 3 months time we'll have just two National draftees (Newy and Jacko) left from Frawley's 5 years of drafting just 5 years later. Foley and Moore were rookies. Way to go Spud .

No surprise Foley could end up one of the oldest on our list despite being only 23 when you look at how thin our prime age stocks still are. That's why we'll still struggle for at least another 2-3 years.

[Jackstar is back]

Been told Pettifer and Polak could be gone, dont know how true though,

Pettifer is a no brainer I would have thought

Polak - I'd keep for another year on a base contract with incentives. That he was able to get back and play AFL this season and the massive improvement he made in the last 10-12 weeks I reckon it is worth it 

Bye Polly, Bye Petts, Bi Raines (for pick), Bye Simmonds, Bi Jordy (for pick), Bi Shultz (for pick). Heeeeeello re-build!

Think Simmonds might be staying

Bump

[one-eyed]

Going by the RFC site the only players gone officially are Bowden, Brown, Johnson and Raines

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/tabid/7689/category/senior/season/2009/default.aspx

[tdy]

Going by the RFC site the only players gone officially are Bowden, Brown, Johnson and Raines

http://www.richmondfc.com.au/players/tabid/7689/category/senior/season/2009/default.aspx

They must be waiting until after trade week to officially finalize the list, some of the players like Tuck might stay, might go.  Pettifer probably will go, there doesn't appear to have been any comment about Polak and so on and so forth.  So I'm not surprised.  I expect somewhere between 7-12 to go all up at some stage or another this off season.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Hopefully 10 as a minimum or 15 as a maximum will go depending on who gets traded and how many draft picks we can get in exchange.

[the claw]

trade bait.
tambling, moore, jackson, edwards, mcguane,  tuck, raines, only two there who make core list. would have liked to see all these players offered up for trade this yr.

delist.
brown, coughlan, graham, hughes, king, mcmahon, jon, pattison, pettifer, polak, polo, white, schulz, simmonds, silvestor,

retire.
johnson, richardson, bowden, cousins,

development types in trouble.
putt, gourdis, connors,

of course this  is a 3 yr scenario would like it to be two but it cant be done. in reality we are in the same boat as gc17 thats the base we are starting from. in fact they have it over us atm they dont have 3/4s of their list to turn over.

in three yrs time if we have really turned it around and learnt from the past and implemented a proper player rating system that focuses only on player strengths and weakness the majority of the above players will be gone.
a few may surprise and stay and others not mentioned as yet will probably go.

three drafts people about 27 28 players with the picks we will get wrong its likely closer to 4 drafts before we even get rid of the dead wood.
 

[torch]

trade bait.
tambling, moore, jackson, edwards, mcguane,  tuck, raines, only two there who make core list. would have liked to see all these players offered up for trade this yr.

delist.
brown, coughlan, graham, hughes, king, mcmahon, jon, pattison, pettifer, polak, polo, white, schulz, simmonds, silvestor,

retire.
johnson, richardson, bowden, cousins,

development types in trouble.
putt, gourdis, connors,

of course this  is a 3 yr scenario would like it to be two but it cant be done. in reality we are in the same boat as gc17 thats the base we are starting from. in fact they have it over us atm they dont have 3/4s of their list to turn over.

in three yrs time if we have really turned it around and learnt from the past and implemented a proper player rating system that focuses only on player strengths and weakness the majority of the above players will be gone.
a few may surprise and stay and others not mentioned as yet will probably go.

three drafts people about 27 28 players with the picks we will get wrong its likely closer to 4 drafts before we even get rid of the dead wood.
 

who are you keeping?

 

[the claw]

trade bait.
tambling, moore, jackson, edwards, mcguane,  tuck, raines, only two there who make core list. would have liked to see all these players offered up for trade this yr.

delist.
brown, coughlan, graham, hughes, king, mcmahon, jon, pattison, pettifer, polak, polo, white, schulz, simmonds, silvestor,

retire.
johnson, richardson, bowden, cousins,

development types in trouble.
putt, gourdis, connors,

of course this  is a 3 yr scenario would like it to be two but it cant be done. in reality we are in the same boat as gc17 thats the base we are starting from. in fact they have it over us atm they dont have 3/4s of their list to turn over.

in three yrs time if we have really turned it around and learnt from the past and implemented a proper player rating system that focuses only on player strengths and weakness the majority of the above players will be gone.
a few may surprise and stay and others not mentioned as yet will probably go.

three drafts people about 27 28 players with the picks we will get wrong its likely closer to 4 drafts before we even get rid of the dead wood.
 

who are you keeping?

 

not many  like i said we are closer to the gc17 situation than many think.

okay just for you players left and kept for now .and players who may make the grade.

deledio       verygood/elite.
cotchin      development.
vickery      development,
post         development,
riewoldt     development
collins       development
foley         core
moore       core/trade
tambling    core/trade
putt        development/delist
rance       development
browne     development
gourdis      development /delist
gilligan     development
nahas     development.
connors   development/delist
newman   core
edwards   development/trade
hislop    development /delist.
thomson  entering 6th yr not sure where to classify him

20 including rookies and borderline development players. of course with so many in development it is not unreasonable to expect failures in that lot.   also remember this is based over 3 yrs. there are 7 players in the trade delist    category they may all stay or they may all go its borderline and to early/hard to pick.     

[Judge Roughneck]

trade bait.
tambling, moore, jackson, edwards, mcguane,  tuck, raines, only two there who make core list. would have liked to see all these players offered up for trade this yr.

delist.
brown, coughlan, graham, hughes, king, mcmahon, jon, pattison, pettifer, polak, polo, white, schulz, simmonds, silvestor,

retire.
johnson, richardson, bowden, cousins,

development types in trouble.
putt, gourdis, connors,

of course this  is a 3 yr scenario would like it to be two but it cant be done. in reality we are in the same boat as gc17 thats the base we are starting from. in fact they have it over us atm they dont have 3/4s of their list to turn over.

in three yrs time if we have really turned it around and learnt from the past and implemented a proper player rating system that focuses only on player strengths and weakness the majority of the above players will be gone.
a few may surprise and stay and others not mentioned as yet will probably go.

three drafts people about 27 28 players with the picks we will get wrong its likely closer to 4 drafts before we even get rid of the dead wood.
 

 * I would like to keep Tambling.

 * It is not impossibile White and/or Polo come good.

 * Cousins might keep going for more years yet. He is very fit and missed many games during his late 20s which can only be good for his body long term.

 * I really hope Connors makes it.

The rest I agree with.

of course with so many in development it is not unreasonable to expect failures in that lot.

By the same token, some players which you do not hold alot of hope for will surpise and make it due to having so many U23s on the list.

ie. McGaune or a Gilligan.

[the claw]

trade bait.
tambling, moore, jackson, edwards, mcguane,  tuck, raines, only two there who make core list. would have liked to see all these players offered up for trade this yr.

delist.
brown, coughlan, graham, hughes, king, mcmahon, jon, pattison, pettifer, polak, polo, white, schulz, simmonds, silvestor,

retire.
johnson, richardson, bowden, cousins,

development types in trouble.
putt, gourdis, connors,

of course this  is a 3 yr scenario would like it to be two but it cant be done. in reality we are in the same boat as gc17 thats the base we are starting from. in fact they have it over us atm they dont have 3/4s of their list to turn over.

in three yrs time if we have really turned it around and learnt from the past and implemented a proper player rating system that focuses only on player strengths and weakness the majority of the above players will be gone.
a few may surprise and stay and others not mentioned as yet will probably go.

three drafts people about 27 28 players with the picks we will get wrong its likely closer to 4 drafts before we even get rid of the dead wood.
 

 * I would like to keep Tambling.

 * It is not impossibile White and/or Polo come good.

 * Cousins might keep going for more years yet. He is very fit and missed many games during his late 20s which can only be good for his body long term.

 * I really hope Connors makes it.

The rest I agree with.

of course with so many in development it is not unreasonable to expect failures in that lot.

By the same token, some players which you do not hold alot of hope for will surpise and make it due to having so many U23s on the list.

ie. McGaune or a Gilligan.

i too hope tambling stays but he is one who has value and is one imo we can afford to lose. connors sheesh lots of injury lots of talent but he has to start producing.

matty white for his type is a spud just has to go.
luke mcguane is one of three third tall options we have people kid themselves into thinking we have kpds but we dont.of those three mcguane moore and thursfield mcguane is the lest skilled yep he has a go but he is a dumb  udersized poorly skilled playeratm he may have some value i would not hesitate to offer up mcguane and say pick 51 for pick 20 thru 25. if anything is certain in a couple of yrs time we will be doing the exercise. glass half full players like mcguane are not the answer in fact they are the problem.

[mightytiges]

trade bait.
tambling, moore, jackson, edwards, mcguane,  tuck, raines, only two there who make core list. would have liked to see all these players offered up for trade this yr.

delist.
brown, coughlan, graham, hughes, king, mcmahon, jon, pattison, pettifer, polak, polo, white, schulz, simmonds, silvestor,

retire.
johnson, richardson, bowden, cousins,

development types in trouble.
putt, gourdis, connors,

of course this  is a 3 yr scenario would like it to be two but it cant be done. in reality we are in the same boat as gc17 thats the base we are starting from. in fact they have it over us atm they dont have 3/4s of their list to turn over.

in three yrs time if we have really turned it around and learnt from the past and implemented a proper player rating system that focuses only on player strengths and weakness the majority of the above players will be gone.
a few may surprise and stay and others not mentioned as yet will probably go.

three drafts people about 27 28 players with the picks we will get wrong its likely closer to 4 drafts before we even get rid of the dead wood.
 

3 draft/trade periods is really only 2 years from now (end of 2011). We'll more than likely struggle in that time so even with GC17 coming in, a bottom 2 finish will still give us either pick 4 or 6. No real issue there. The lack of PPs is what will make the rebuild take longer. We need to trade well with GC17 to make up for it and gain another top 20 pick. Also the worst thing we can do next year is have a 9th or 10th ladder finish under the enthusiasm of a new coach as we did in Plough's first year. We need to bottom out so we can make the most of the drafts and gain as many high and midrange picks as possible. Do a Geelong in Bomber's first 3 drafts where they picked up 23 kids and turned over their list quickly. The fact we have only drafted 13 kids in the past 4 drafts shows we weren't truly rebuilding and turning over our list.

Btw I would say Polo is tradeable if Rainesy is.
Gourdis should be in the delisting category. He can't kick. A shame as he's a great size to be a KPP but based on footy ability it's bye-bye.
Connors hasn't had a preseason in his time at the club. I would still give him time. If he has an issue it's above the shoulders. He still needs to learn bread and butter team footy comes first and then base his natural flair around that.
I would keep Blingers.

[mightytiges]

Updating the list after trade week:

Gone: Bowden (not on senior list), Sugar, Brown, Cogs, Schulz, Raines, Cleve, JON, Patto and Petts.

Gain: Farmer

So 8 senior list spots are free.

If Nahas is promoted leaving us with 7 draft picks then I don't get why we traded for pick 72 unless we plan to delist another player or forget about the PSD  ???

Our picks are: 3, 19, 35, 44, 51, 67 and either pick 72/PSD#2

[TigerLand]

Putt/Polak?