Contoversial Topic #1 - Global Warming & Carbon Emissions Trading

[Smokey]

Also Dwaino, although the loss of life is tragic, even if the death toll were to reach 10,000 instead of the current ~2,000 it still wouldn't make the list of the world's Top 35 deadliest storms (not that that should be a measure of "powerful storm").  Look towards the bottom of this article for the table of data:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/11/some-historical-perspectives-on-typhoon-haiyan-yolanda/

[Judge Roughneck]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/09/21362576-philippines-tallies-the-damage-after-most-powerful-storm-ever-kills-at-least-seven?lite"It is the most powerful storm ever to make landfall," Michael Palmer, lead meteorologist for The Weather Channel, told NBC News. "It is as strong a typhoon as you can get, basically," with winds able to "obliterate poorly constructed homes."




Pic from space and reasoning why so strong. Ie. Unusual forming. Ear equator


Typhoon Haiyan: how does it compare with other tropical cyclones?
http://theconversation.com/inside-typhoon-haiyan-and-a-year-of-weird-weather-20187


Typhoon Haiyan, described as the as the strongest tropical cyclone to make landfall in recorded history, hit the Philippines with winds of 195mph. How does it compare with other tropical cyclones?

Hitting the Philippines with winds of 195mph, typhoon Haiyan has been described as the strongest tropical cyclone to make landfall in recorded history.
The category five storm - which has also been called Yolanda in the Philippines - is reported to have had speeds at landfall of 195mph and gusts of up to 235mph, meaning that it is believed to be stronger than the world's last strongest tropical cyclone, hurricane Camille, which was recorded as making landfall in Mississippi with 190 mph winds in 1969



http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/nov/08/typhoon-haiyan-philippines-tropical-cyclones

[Judge Roughneck]

Keep fighting the good fight smoke.

I'm sure it was just some rain.

Bloody left wing hippies trying to twist the facts.

A joint venture. Between the Australian greens and all gore with the solepurpose of wasting smokes valuable time having to debunk such nonsensical shyte

[dwaino]

NASA Earth Observatory chucked this up from CIMSS this morning.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/14311

lists windspeeds in knots even greater than media reported. Feel free to go through the JTWC (joint typhoon warning center, US Navy) logs referenced and I'll leave it to you to go convert the knots to km/h. Much of Haiyan was off scale hence the upper estimates. Take these windspeeds and square them, that's how you get the power. Some are saying after Haiyan a cat 6 needs to introduced. Haiyan had a small eye comapared to anything in recent times so inner windspeeds were massive. Also use the charts and look at the outflow.

Sorry can't take the site you quoted (whatsupwiththat? Lol) seriously at all. Skimmed through and read "It seems abundantly clear then that any claim trying to tie Typhoon Haiyan to a pattern of increased frequency of storms supposedly driven by “global warming” is patently false." I cann't take their data seriously now as it is obviously subjective.

Objective data only please. I'm not a climate change skeptic or supporter and I don't bat for a particular particular party.

[Penelope]

It really doesnt matter if it was the strongest or biggest, it was one serious mother of a cylone, in intensity and size.

One of the claims of the effects of global warming is more extreme weather events, including more frequent and higher intensity cyclones.

This was a cyclone of high intensity and size, but on its own that means sweet FA. It will only be over time that the true picture will be painted.

[Smokey]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/09/21362576-philippines-tallies-the-damage-after-most-powerful-storm-ever-kills-at-least-seven?lite"It is the most powerful storm ever to make landfall," Michael Palmer, lead meteorologist for The Weather Channel, told NBC News. "It is as strong a typhoon as you can get, basically," with winds able to "obliterate poorly constructed homes."




Pic from space and reasoning why so strong. Ie. Unusual forming. Ear equator


Typhoon Haiyan: how does it compare with other tropical cyclones?
http://theconversation.com/inside-typhoon-haiyan-and-a-year-of-weird-weather-20187


Typhoon Haiyan, described as the as the strongest tropical cyclone to make landfall in recorded history, hit the Philippines with winds of 195mph. How does it compare with other tropical cyclones?

Hitting the Philippines with winds of 195mph, typhoon Haiyan has been described as the strongest tropical cyclone to make landfall in recorded history.
The category five storm - which has also been called Yolanda in the Philippines - is reported to have had speeds at landfall of 195mph and gusts of up to 235mph, meaning that it is believed to be stronger than the world's last strongest tropical cyclone, hurricane Camille, which was recorded as making landfall in Mississippi with 190 mph winds in 1969



http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/nov/08/typhoon-haiyan-philippines-tropical-cyclones

"It is the most powerful storm ever to make landfall," Michael Palmer, lead meteorologist for The Weather Channel"

Not in wind speed or damage so what does he base his statement on?

Your 2nd link backs up my point (As a typhoon, the winds around Haiyan reached a maximum sustained wind strength of 232 km/h on November 7.) and your 3rd link is quoting the same original figures as the BBC who later reprinted the correct (kmh instead of mph) value.

So what point are you arguing Bents?

[mightytiges]

Also Dwaino, although the loss of life is tragic, even if the death toll were to reach 10,000 instead of the current ~2,000 it still wouldn't make the list of the world's Top 35 deadliest storms (not that that should be a measure of "powerful storm").  Look towards the bottom of this article for the table of data:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/11/some-historical-perspectives-on-typhoon-haiyan-yolanda/

I wouldn't trust WUWT for accurate info. This is the site where the guy that runs it was caught out taking solar activity data and manually putting the numbers in ascending order irrespective of what date they corresponded to and then tried claim this 'ascending' solar activity correlated with rising CO2 levels. He's also the guy who for a number of years was claiming meteorological equipment to measure surface temperature across the USA had a warming bias due to the equipment being near concrete walls etc. He was so sure about his conspiracy theory, he tested it out only to find there was actually a cooling bias lol. The science community thanked him for his contribution  . Unfortunately there's still anti-climate change idiots who to this day perpetuate this 'warming bias' myth to deny and discredit the science.

[1965]

Hmmm, the 10 hottest days have all occurred since 1998.

Global heat headed for record
Date November 13, 2013 - 8:48PM Tom Arup


Global temperatures are almost half a degree Celsius above the long-term average so far in 2013, putting this year on course to be among the 10 hottest since records began, the world's leading meteorological agency says.

In a provisional statement on the global climate in 2013, the World Meteorological Organisation says the first nine months of this year tied with 2003 as the seventh hottest such period on record.

The statement was released in Warsaw on Wednesday where countries are meeting for the latest round of negotiations on a new treaty to tackle global warming.

In Australia, temperatures are on track for the hottest year on record. Australia's temperatures from January to October were 1.32 degrees above average, which annually is 21.8 degrees. The same period was 0.24 degrees above the next highest record – which occurred in 2005 – for January to October temperatures.

 Dr Blair Trewin, senior climatologist at Australia's Bureau of Meteorology said it would take significantly below-average temperatures in November and December for a record hot year not to occur across the nation.

The meteorological organisation's secretary-general, Michel Jarraud, said all the warmest years across the planet had occurred since 1998, and 2013 once again continued the underlying long-term trend of warming.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/global-heat-headed-for-record-20131113-2xgxd.html#ixzz2kYNGlmBp

[mightytiges]

China to launch two new carbon trading exchanges
By David Stanway
Reuters BEIJING
Mon Nov 25, 2013

China will launch two new pilot carbon trading schemes this week in Beijing and Shanghai as it strives to cut soaring rates of greenhouse gas, reduce choking smog and determine the best system for a nationwide roll-out.

China, the world's biggest source of climate-changing carbon emissions, is under domestic pressure from its population to counter air pollution and has pledged to cut the 2005 rate of CO2 emissions per unit of GDP growth by 40-45 percent by 2020.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/25/us-china-carbon-idUSBRE9AO07E20131125

Whether people want to accept it or not the rest of the world is moving towards carbon pricing.

[Judge Roughneck]

china is just stuffed pollution wise.

[Judge Roughneck]

its snowing in cairo atm ...

[Judge Roughneck]

Good work you right wing FSticks. Continue to worship your gods the oil companies

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/20/conservative-groups-1bn-against-climate-change

[Gigantor]

just wondering..what would it take climate sceptics to change their mind on this issue.
I have sat on the fence on this for a while,but I just see the evidence as just  too overwhelming to ignore now

[Smokey]

Good work you right wing FSticks. Continue to worship your gods the oil companies

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/20/conservative-groups-1bn-against-climate-change

Lol.  You laugh at Anthony Watts and quote these morons.   

[Judge Roughneck]

 Brulle

Is a moron?

I had not heard if him.

Please explain whybhes a moron for sense of mind

Or post a whats up with that link