Ben Griffiths [merged]

[Judge Roughneck]

Sydney successfully play;


Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.

I said this in the Sydney game thread when we played them. No reason we cant play Vicks, Griff, Reiwoldt and Maric!! Should be done!! Regardless of the win against Sydney we should of done it then or at least against Port.

Damien was too scared.

Vickery + Riewoldt + McBean + Griffiths + Maric

 

[WA Tiger]

Sydney successfully play;


Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.

I said this in the Sydney game thread when we played them. No reason we cant play Vicks, Griff, Reiwoldt and Maric!! Should be done!! Regardless of the win against Sydney we should of done it then or at least against Port.

Damien was too scared.

Vickery + Riewoldt + McBean + Griffiths + Maric

 

x2...

[tony_montana]

that fwd line would get absolutely smashed on the rebound - be realistic fellas, Vickery, griff and Reiwoldt are hardly known for their hard running

edit:(throw McBean in that too  - one of the criticisms I hear is his defensive work is not up to scratch)

[Judge Roughneck]

Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin

Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either

Sydney successfully play;


Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.

They also have the best 2 way running midfield in the comp. Plus Franklin has the agility of a medium tall - not many franklins around

Perhaps then stop drafting / playing one way runners then

Thomas
Griggs

Our lack of fitness as opposed to a port or Sydney is poor form.

[tony_montana]

Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin

Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either

shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -

[Judge Roughneck]

And we play McGaune, a Edwards, Hampson, orren. 

Jack is a multiple Coleman winner.
Maric is satisfactory.

Vickery McBean Griffiths will get better

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin

Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either

shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -

He is correct TM. The biggest difference is that their mids and small forwards work 10 times harder than ours running both ways.  This gives their big forwards the look of being good defensively.
If you look at average tackle stats per game for 2014 for the big guys as a marker of defensive actions then:

Tippett:  1.0
Reid:      2.4
Goodes:  1.5
Franklin:  3.1


Riewoldt:  2.1
Vickery:    2.2
Griffiths:   2.8
Maric:      2.9

So our guys on average are better tacklers overall!!!!

[WA Tiger]

Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin

Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either

shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -

Or shedloads better coached and positioned at the right time???

Or shedloads better developed, tried and put faith into????

[Judge Roughneck]

Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin

Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either

shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -

He is correct TM. The biggest difference is that their mids and small forwards work 10 times harder than ours running both ways.  This gives their big forwards the look of being good defensively.
If you look at average tackle stats per game for 2014 for the big guys as a marker of defensive actions then:

Tippett:  1.0
Reid:      2.4
Goodes:  1.5
Franklin:  3.1


Riewoldt:  2.1
Vickery:    2.2
Griffiths:   2.8
Maric:      2.9

So our guys on average are better tacklers overall!!!!

The difference is

The syd mid group run both ways

The richmond..   Only cotchin does it

[the claw]

that fwd line would get absolutely smashed on the rebound - be realistic fellas, Vickery, griff and Reiwoldt are hardly known for their hard running

edit:(throw McBean in that too  - one of the criticisms I hear is his defensive work is not up to scratch)

agree. ive for yrs advocated at least 3 genuine  tall fwds but not three or 4  dinosaurs and certainly not part time fwds.

lets face it sydney play franklin an over sized super athletic quick  hff, at 196/100kg hes kpp size which makes him one of the most difficult players in the comp to match up on.people have to realize the franklins of this world are once in a generation players and its his presence that enables sydnet to play 4 talls and not lose much in pace run and agility.
reid is a 196/95 kpp similar size to riewoldt but quicker and more agile.  i dont think hes been a good player very over rated imo.
goodes is only 191cm but 100kg used to be super agile and had good pace imo hes being carried in most games.
tippett at 201/105 is their fwd /ruck, hes agile and reasonably quick for his size. hes shown himself to be a good fwd and a handy back up 2nd ruck nothing more. mike pyke rucks 80% 90% of games hes their ivan maric.
only one of their 4 tall fwds is 200plus cm and hes the one who is the poorest defensively but hes the one who  gives em a chop out in the ruck.
i keep on saying it very few 200cm players have ever become very good kpfs.  there are one or two exceptions one being tippett. but in saying that  imo tippett has been  nothing special just a good solid player and is streets behind many more traditionally sized kpfs.

me i think we need to structure up this way. taking just 3 tall hypothetical players from this yrs draft.

ff/ #### - mccartin 194/95 - griffiths 200/102. replace griffiths with mcbean if you wish. mccartin is a quality key  fwd first and foremost.
ff/ #### - goodes 191/100 - tippett 201/105.

hf/ #### - riewoldt  195/95 - lamb 192/in time 92kg. lamb is athletic and quick like buddy just not as big few players of this type are.
hf/ #### - ried 196/95  -  franklin 196/102.

in the wings kietel 194/94 kpf in time. elton 197/100 must develop, mcbean 200cm hopefully 100kg ruck/fwd in time.

what im saying is sydney do have a tall fwd set up but apart from tippett height wise its fairly normal.

finally sydneys set up is nothing new they played a similar sized fwd line in the 2012 gf. with goodes ried and roberts - thompson 194/94. they played two first rucks in mumford and pyke .
hawthorn last yr had gunston franklin, roughead with hale fwd ruck and bailey as starting ruck. its tall but its not abnormally tall.

[big tone]

that fwd line would get absolutely smashed on the rebound - be realistic fellas, Vickery, griff and Reiwoldt are hardly known for their hard running

edit:(throw McBean in that too  - one of the criticisms I hear is his defensive work is not up to scratch)

agree. ive for yrs advocated at least 3 genuine  tall fwds but not three or 4  dinosaurs and certainly not part time fwds.

lets face it sydney play franklin an over sized super athletic quick  hff, at 196/100kg hes kpp size which makes him one of the most difficult players in the comp to match up on.people have to realize the franklins of this world are once in a generation players and its his presence that enables sydnet to play 4 talls and not lose much in pace run and agility.
reid is a 196/95 kpp similar size to riewoldt but quicker and more agile.  i dont think hes been a good player very over rated imo.
goodes is only 191cm but 100kg used to be super agile and had good pace imo hes being carried in most games.
tippett at 201/105 is their fwd /ruck, hes agile and reasonably quick for his size. hes shown himself to be a good fwd and a handy back up 2nd ruck nothing more. mike pyke rucks 80% 90% of games hes their ivan maric.
only one of their 4 tall fwds is 200plus cm and hes the one who is the poorest defensively but hes the one who  gives em a chop out in the ruck.
i keep on saying it very few 200cm players have ever become very good kpfs.  there are one or two exceptions one being tippett. but in saying that  imo tippett has been  nothing special just a good solid player and is streets behind many more traditionally sized kpfs.

me i think we need to structure up this way. taking just 3 tall hypothetical players from this yrs draft.

ff/ #### - mccartin 194/95 - griffiths 200/102. replace griffiths with mcbean if you wish. mccartin is a quality key  fwd first and foremost.
ff/ #### - goodes 191/100 - tippett 201/105.

hf/ #### - riewoldt  195/95 - lamb 192/in time 92kg. lamb is athletic and quick like buddy just not as big few players of this type are.
hf/ #### - ried 196/95  -  franklin 196/102.

in the wings kietel 194/94 kpf in time. elton 197/100 must develop, mcbean 200cm hopefully 100kg ruck/fwd in time.

what im saying is sydney do have a tall fwd set up but apart from tippett height wise its fairly normal.

finally sydneys set up is nothing new they played a similar sized fwd line in the 2012 gf. with goodes ried and roberts - thompson 194/94. they played two first rucks in mumford and pyke .
hawthorn last yr had gunston franklin, roughead with hale fwd ruck and bailey as starting ruck. its tall but its not abnormally tall.

Agree with some of that but Reid IMO is not quicker and more agile than Jack. Jack could play at half forward he moves so well. Plus he is smart and a great field kick.

Also Goodes is taller than 191cm IMO, more like 195.

Agreed though you cannot play players like Griff and Vickery with Jack in the forward line. Jack, McBean and Vickery/Griff maybe but you would want to have some extra speed when the ball hits the ground- Gartlett maybe??

[The Big Richo]

I'll tell you something.

They don't get any shorter.

[Chuck17]

Tippett
Sam Reid
Pyke
40 year old goodes
Franklin

Are not the best forward pressure group in the world, either

shedloads better at it than the group you're putting them up against -

Plus they are shedloads of shedloads offensively better than the RFC group put up.

[Yeahright]

Sydney successfully play;


Tippett, ried, goodes, franklin + Pyke.

They also have the best 2 way running midfield in the comp. Plus Franklin has the agility of a medium tall - not many franklins around

Add to that they have some small forwards than can do damage.

[Judge Roughneck]

Pretty fair point

Jetta. McVeigh jack etc. Offer more protection to the kpps

Than grigg. Newman Thomas etc