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Re: KPP
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2009, 11:07:22 AM »

Sadly for him i think you may right. Hooper is short, but built like a mini tank. He is about 6cm shorter than Cousins, but 1kg heavier. Looking at a pick of him he has a neck like a Rugby Union goon.
Unfortunately being so short and with a poor vertical  leap he will always struggle defensively in the air. Must be frustrating for the kid 'cause he looks like he is skilled.

If he is as skilled as you say (and I have no idea about him at all) then size and aerial ability will matter little.  Give me a good little bloke rather than an average mid size player any day.  I think many clubs make the mistake of being too blinkered when it comes to height and some potentially good players slip through the cracks based on height alone.

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Re: KPP
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2009, 12:47:48 PM »

Sadly for him i think you may right. Hooper is short, but built like a mini tank. He is about 6cm shorter than Cousins, but 1kg heavier. Looking at a pick of him he has a neck like a Rugby Union goon.
Unfortunately being so short and with a poor vertical  leap he will always struggle defensively in the air. Must be frustrating for the kid 'cause he looks like he is skilled.

If he is as skilled as you say (and I have no idea about him at all) then size and aerial ability will matter little.  Give me a good little bloke rather than an average mid size player any day.  I think many clubs make the mistake of being too blinkered when it comes to height and some potentially good players slip through the cracks based on height alone.

How tall are you Smokey?

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Re: KPP
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2009, 01:25:49 PM »
If he is as skilled as you say (and I have no idea about him at all) then size and aerial ability will matter little.  Give me a good little bloke rather than an average mid size player any day.  I think many clubs make the mistake of being too blinkered when it comes to height and some potentially good players slip through the cracks based on height alone.

How tall are you Smokey?

180cm.  I use to pinch hit in the ruck when needed but mostly played key position back or forward, especially CHB.  That sounds funny when you compare it to the size of AFL players doesn't it!  I just have a feeling (based on seeing so many fantastic little blokes play at all levels over the years) that the modern game doesn't pay shorter players enough respect, to the game's detriment.  In the modern style of less contested packs and more keepings off I think a good little bloke could be more effective and damaging than ever but the AFL clubs as a whole don't see it that way.  Personally, I would see this as a potentially fruitful area to investigate further over the next few years of compromised drafts when looking for the hidden gems.  Just my opinion though.

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Re: KPP
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2009, 04:47:03 PM »

Sadly for him i think you may right. Hooper is short, but built like a mini tank. He is about 6cm shorter than Cousins, but 1kg heavier. Looking at a pick of him he has a neck like a Rugby Union goon.
Unfortunately being so short and with a poor vertical  leap he will always struggle defensively in the air. Must be frustrating for the kid 'cause he looks like he is skilled.

If he is as skilled as you say (and I have no idea about him at all) then size and aerial ability will matter little.  Give me a good little bloke rather than an average mid size player any day.  I think many clubs make the mistake of being too blinkered when it comes to height and some potentially good players slip through the cracks based on height alone.

I was basing that mainly on this,
http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=114610
but i found some other stuff that may indicate his disposal is not that good.
Kicking efficiency 64.5 and disposal efficiency 68.3 in the under 18 champs, but nearly half his possessions were contested, so i suppose that should be allowed for.
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/08/andrew-hooper-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
In these clips his kicking doesn't find the target as much, but interestingly he often out marks taller opponents by reading the ball better and body use;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZyFjUDxlOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9HyRbxP8TQ
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Re: KPP
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2009, 07:22:45 PM »

Sadly for him i think you may right. Hooper is short, but built like a mini tank. He is about 6cm shorter than Cousins, but 1kg heavier. Looking at a pick of him he has a neck like a Rugby Union goon.
Unfortunately being so short and with a poor vertical  leap he will always struggle defensively in the air. Must be frustrating for the kid 'cause he looks like he is skilled.

If he is as skilled as you say (and I have no idea about him at all) then size and aerial ability will matter little.  Give me a good little bloke rather than an average mid size player any day.  I think many clubs make the mistake of being too blinkered when it comes to height and some potentially good players slip through the cracks based on height alone.

you think he has a poor vertical leap?? came 3rd in the standing vertical leap at draft camp at 70cm.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85625/default.aspx

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Re: KPP
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2009, 09:04:05 PM »

I was basing that mainly on this,
http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=114610
but i found some other stuff that may indicate his disposal is not that good.
Kicking efficiency 64.5 and disposal efficiency 68.3 in the under 18 champs, but nearly half his possessions were contested, so i suppose that should be allowed for.
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/08/andrew-hooper-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
In these clips his kicking doesn't find the target as much, but interestingly he often out marks taller opponents by reading the ball better and body use;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZyFjUDxlOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9HyRbxP8TQ


The video clips were interesting Al.  He seemed a bit inclined to bang the ball on the boot rather than think through his options and he also dropped a large number of 'easy' marks only to recover well in most cases.  Also, one of the videos was from 2008 so you could realistically expect some improvement.  Not sure if I saw enough that I liked or not.  But.............while watching one video I clicked on a link to some highlights of Majak Daw (I hadn't seen anything of him previously).  He shows a hell of a lot of raw ability - you would like the opportunity to take him as a project rookie!

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Re: KPP
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2009, 10:15:28 PM »

Sadly for him i think you may right. Hooper is short, but built like a mini tank. He is about 6cm shorter than Cousins, but 1kg heavier. Looking at a pick of him he has a neck like a Rugby Union goon.
Unfortunately being so short and with a poor vertical  leap he will always struggle defensively in the air. Must be frustrating for the kid 'cause he looks like he is skilled.

If he is as skilled as you say (and I have no idea about him at all) then size and aerial ability will matter little.  Give me a good little bloke rather than an average mid size player any day.  I think many clubs make the mistake of being too blinkered when it comes to height and some potentially good players slip through the cracks based on height alone.

you think he has a poor vertical leap?? came 3rd in the standing vertical leap at draft camp at 70cm.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85625/default.aspx
Read that on the site afldraftinfo.com Should have checked the info first hey? :)

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Re: KPP
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2009, 10:24:24 PM »

I was basing that mainly on this,
http://offseasondraft.championdata.com/afl_off_season_draft/offSeasonDraft/player_profile.jsp?player_id=114610
but i found some other stuff that may indicate his disposal is not that good.
Kicking efficiency 64.5 and disposal efficiency 68.3 in the under 18 champs, but nearly half his possessions were contested, so i suppose that should be allowed for.
http://www.contestedfooty.com/2009/08/andrew-hooper-2009-afl-draft-prospect.html
In these clips his kicking doesn't find the target as much, but interestingly he often out marks taller opponents by reading the ball better and body use;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZyFjUDxlOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9HyRbxP8TQ


The video clips were interesting Al.  He seemed a bit inclined to bang the ball on the boot rather than think through his options and he also dropped a large number of 'easy' marks only to recover well in most cases.  Also, one of the videos was from 2008 so you could realistically expect some improvement.  Not sure if I saw enough that I liked or not.  But.............while watching one video I clicked on a link to some highlights of Majak Daw (I hadn't seen anything of him previously).  He shows a hell of a lot of raw ability - you would like the opportunity to take him as a project rookie!

A bit like Rodan in that respect. Probably a mute point as he is not on the permission to train list though.
 I agree with about Daw very Raw but an incredible athlete still learning the game. Tap work would put some AFL ruckmen to shame. Surprised he isn't training with someone.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI