Tabcorp joins Tigers’ Community (RFC)

[Stripes]

Just jumped onto to this thread - a great read. Well argued and intelligent posts everyone, particularly al and smokey! 

Great to see meaningful thread and debate on this forum from time to time. 

Stripes

[FNM]

Good on ya Tiges, well done another great relationship to further advance our club.

There are millions of things out there that ruin peoples lives......... if YOU CHOOSE to do them!!!!!

Nobody "chooses" to be addicted to something, you "become" addicted 

[WA Tiger]

Good on ya Tiges, well done another great relationship to further advance our club.

There are millions of things out there that ruin peoples lives......... if YOU CHOOSE to do them!!!!!

Nobody "chooses" to be addicted to something, you "become" addicted 

You CHOOSE to take the first drink, you CHOOSE to smoke the first ciggy, you CHOOSE to put the first needle in your arm, you CHOOSE to go to the track or TAB for the first time, YOU CHOOSE to take that first step.... AFTER that you become an addict!!!!

[FNM]

Good on ya Tiges, well done another great relationship to further advance our club.

There are millions of things out there that ruin peoples lives......... if YOU CHOOSE to do them!!!!!

Nobody "chooses" to be addicted to something, you "become" addicted 

You CHOOSE to take the first drink, you CHOOSE to smoke the first ciggy, you CHOOSE to put the first needle in your arm, you CHOOSE to go to the track or TAB for the first time, YOU CHOOSE to take that first step.... AFTER that you become an addict!!!!

yes, we choose to do those things, but not hoping we become an addict.  We do those things thinking we can stop at any time that we won't develop addictions like others.  It just happens, but we don't choose ADDICTION! You would never understand what it's like in a 100 years.

[Infamy]

Good on ya Tiges, well done another great relationship to further advance our club.

There are millions of things out there that ruin peoples lives......... if YOU CHOOSE to do them!!!!!

Nobody "chooses" to be addicted to something, you "become" addicted 

Sorry but that's just defeatest. People quit these addictions all the time. You can become physically addicted to cigarettes, alcohol and heroin, not gambling. Pyschological addition is very different.

You can CHOOSE to quit... if you want to

[FNM]

People quit these addictions all the time

Yes, lots and lots of people do, but others never do.
And they're the people we're talking about, usually in the poorer socio-economic groups/areas.
It's not a cop out, these are real people not just statistics.

[Smokey]

You can become physically addicted to cigarettes, alcohol and heroin, not gambling. Pyschological addition is very different.

Interesting point Infamy.  Because I'm enjoying the points of view and the debate in general, I ask the question - what causes addiction?  Is it a pre-existing chemical deficiency or imbalance in our system as Al alluded to that exposes us to the risks of becoming addicted, psychologically or physically?  I don't know the answer but I can say from experience that the 'high' you get from addicted gambling is just as real as the high from an external chemical source.  If I accept Al's information then from my personal perspective I would say that gambling is borne of the exact same causes as other types of addiction.

[FNM]

I don't think it's something you're borne with, like genetically,  but because there's so many people from the lower socio-economic groups, more a victim of economic circumstance.

[Infamy]

Interesting point Infamy.  Because I'm enjoying the points of view and the debate in general, I ask the question - what causes addiction?  Is it a pre-existing chemical deficiency or imbalance in our system as Al alluded to that exposes us to the risks of becoming addicted, psychologically or physically?  I don't know the answer but I can say from experience that the 'high' you get from addicted gambling is just as real as the high from an external chemical source.  If I accept Al's information then from my personal perspective I would say that gambling is borne of the exact same causes as other types of addiction.

As far as I'm aware no one has proved that addiction is genetic, but there's plenty of evidence in both directions. It's often viewed as affecting the poor and those from tough upbringings, however I think it affects the wealthy just as much if not more. Those with no money can't afford to support their addictions so it limits their abuse unless they turn to something like crime to fund their habit. Those who have the money can have far worse addictions in some ways because they can afford more, they hide their addiction better, they are well educated and well financed, that doesn't make them less addicted. Addiction transcends the classes of society.

What is known is that the body develops a dependency on some substances of abuse. One that's becoming more and more prevalent is prescription drugs, but alcohol, nicotine and heroin dependency has been known for some time. Watching someone shaking or convulsing when going through heroin withdrawal is not pretty. People still kick the habit when they really want to though, if they can do it before they hit rock bottom then they're lucky.

[FNM]

They don't put Tabarets in the Broadmeadows areas and the likes for no reason. They target the vulnerable.

[WA Tiger]

Good on ya Tiges, well done another great relationship to further advance our club.

There are millions of things out there that ruin peoples lives......... if YOU CHOOSE to do them!!!!!

Nobody "chooses" to be addicted to something, you "become" addicted 

You CHOOSE to take the first drink, you CHOOSE to smoke the first ciggy, you CHOOSE to put the first needle in your arm, you CHOOSE to go to the track or TAB for the first time, YOU CHOOSE to take that first step.... AFTER that you become an addict!!!!

yes, we choose to do those things, but not hoping we become an addict.  We do those things thinking we can stop at any time that we won't develop addictions like others.  It just happens, but we don't choose ADDICTION! You would never understand what it's like in a 100 years.

Why wouldn't I understand, do you know me, no you don't. I smoked many things for many years and I gave them up, I chose to take it up and I chose to give them up!!! Diseases such depression or compulsive dissorder people have from birth, I wasn't born with a pack of ciggies or a bong in my hand was I???

[FNM]

Diseases such depression or compulsive dissorder people have from birth

How so?
I have it, but I've only had it on and off for the last 20 years.  I wasn't born with it.

[Infamy]

Diseases such depression or compulsive dissorder people have from birth

How so?
I have it, but I've only had it on and off for the last 20 years.  I wasn't born with it.

Not all depression or compulsive disorder is genetic, but some is. You can't apply gross generalisations to something like depression which has so many variants.

[WA Tiger]

Diseases such depression or compulsive dissorder people have from birth

How so?
I have it, but I've only had it on and off for the last 20 years.  I wasn't born with it.

Most Richmond supporters do have it.... , Seriously, I hope you are coping ok with it.

[Penelope]

For an insight into what may be at the very root of these problems, this is an interesting article.
http://www.gaps.me/?page_id=20

While it deals more with depression and such disorders she does mention how such people end up being more prone so substance abuse. The link between psychological disorders and addictions is not exactly a revelation.

Wat, while people may choose to have that first whatever, as FNM has already stated, no-one actually chooses to go down the path of self destruction.

When people have an attitude that you can choose just to quit whenever you want and therefore implying, or sometimes saying, that you are somehow weak or inferior because you cant stop, all you are doing is making it hard for these people to even acknowledge their problem.

Could you imagine how hard it would be for someone trying to face up to such a problem, knowing, or thinking, those around them will judge them because they cant just stop at will?